Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 98 – with Jon from What Women Want

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Speaker 2 (2m 24s): It's a pleasure being with you. And it's really interesting talking to somebody who's so far away. Although I've been doing some recent podcasts where I've been talking to people over in great Britain, and when you see them on zoom, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing that the world is allowing us to talk all over the world. Aren't they?

Speaker 1 (2m 45s): It's incredible. So we'll tell people about you and your podcast. The what woman want podcast is a fun and Frank discussion about the ways amazing humans from so many walks of life connect with each other and their journeys to become their authentic selves. The show is beginning its second season. John AKA. Hi there. Catsuit has been hosting the show since October of 2021. John is an avid writer and contributor on FetLife. John wrote a column about men and their unsolicited Dick pics.

The response led him to brainstorm with nookie notes of dating kinky to create the podcast. John, the host has an award-winning background in broadcasting going back more than 35 years and has appeared as a talent on national networks, as well as regional and local stations. He has seven Emmy awards for his work behind the scenes. In addition, he has been a public speaker and has even presented a Ted X. Talk about how people treat each other in the scene. Hyder catsuit is a bottom leaning switch who is known for his trademark spandex suits, which led to his name as so many people just said, hi there catsuit.

When he would walk into a party he's active in the Cincinnati area and is hoping to take the show on the road to kink conventions with live presentations, you can find John on most social media, of course at hi there catsuit. So John, so he, you know, we were, we were talking briefly before this, about our, our common sports background, obviously mine pales compared to your experience. You tend a lot.

Speaker 2 (4m 29s): I did a lot of it was on national networks, doing all things, professional wrestling, where I was a pro wrestling announcer for a long time. I love

Speaker 1 (4m 41s): That

Speaker 2 (4m 41s): Did a division one college basketball, a lot of women's sports, volleyball, swimming, track soccer. I would love to do the sports that nobody else wanted to do. And it was very much something that was a passion of mine because especially women's sports because the women work just as hard, if not twice as hard as the guys did to be amazing athletes. And I wanted to make sure that I honored them by being able to present their sports in a beautiful spotlight that they never even dreamed of.

Speaker 1 (5m 20s): Yeah. Women's sports have come a long, long way haven't they?

Speaker 2 (5m 25s): Absolutely. And you know, there's so many underrated sports volleyball was my favorite sport to do because You could have people of all shapes and sizes doing amazing things out there on the volleyball court. And the, the hops that these ladies had were just incredible.

Speaker 1 (5m 44s): You know, it's really funny when I, I show up at 5, 5 30 in the morning from my morning beach walk, the place I park, invariably, there's a group of lady. Boys was we like to call them partying and many mornings there'll be playing volleyball including this morning in the rain. And yeah, some of them are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (6m 9s): It's a wonderful sport. And I really enjoyed covering it when I did.

Speaker 1 (6m 13s): Yeah, absolutely. So what made you start a show about what women want when you're a guy?

Speaker 2 (6m 19s): I have always been a proponent of things that are female. I have always been a feminist so to speak. Yeah, I am not a man's man. As a matter of fact, that there was a wonderful dominatrix, Amanda wildfire say, well, you know, John, you're a man's man. And I had to say, well, ma'am actually, I'm not because there are so many men that are driven strictly by sex. And I, I called them the people that think with their dicks instead of their hearts in their head.

And I am one of those people who lives a life of kindness, of empathy and respect. And the thing that I noticed with a lot of my kink friends is they weren't getting that kind of treatment online. And men were sending them unsolicited, Dick pics, as a way to say hello, which I found offensive, not only because I am a gentlemen who is now single and would like to be able to meet people and the damage that many men have done when it comes to introducing themselves in the wrong way, or trying to show a little bit of male power towards females by intimidating them or assuming things that are not appropriate to be the main thing that they want to do, that keeps those of us who aren't necessarily like that and want to form connections and want to learn about somebody.

We don't get trusted. And it really honest to God pissed me off. Yeah. And so I did this, this article called dear man about those unsolicited Dick picture sending. And I read that. Yeah. And I, I got to, and it wasn't from you, even though you used to be in the bay area, but the guy from San Jose saying, well, if you're a, if you're not willing to show yours, you must not be very proud of yours.

Speaker 1 (8m 31s): I think I've heard him on can VR John from San Jose because

Speaker 2 (8m 34s): Yes. You know exactly the guy I'm talking about probably has a Ford F-150 with a ride, the risers and the big wheels. And, but you know, he's willing to show his Dick pic anyway. So

Speaker 1 (8m 48s): Joke about that. The guys with the big wood with the big wheels normally have to have tiny Penai

Speaker 2 (8m 54s): Right. I'll I'll digress here. I was down at a roller Derby tournament in new Orleans, Louisiana. And we were in the French quarter on one of the balconies and a guy gets on a motorcycle and just starts revving it up right in the middle of the French quarter, amongst all the drag Queens and the fun bars and whatever. And the guy's revving it up. And one of the female Derby announcers said, excuse me, sir, would you please put it back in your pants?

That guy drove off very quietly because all the drag cranes are going. He got you.

Speaker 1 (9m 37s): I love new Orleans. What personality?

Speaker 2 (9m 40s): Yeah, go ahead. So I wrote this, this article and he was telling me that, you know, I'm ashamed to show mine. I said, look, dude, I have a six foot three daughter and a son who's a really professional photographer and is amazing. It did its job. I don't have to worry about it anymore. Or you have to worry about now. Yeah. And he said, well, you obviously must not be. And I said, I have more women talking to me and saying that they love me than you probably ever will because I actually treat them like humans.

Yeah. Yeah. And so this, this entire conversation became a conversation that I had with nookie notes, who I had met at cope, which is a kink convention that used to be held here on Ohio. And we became kindred spirits as far as our writing is concerned. And I had helped her do some video from my television background. And she said to me, I really love that article. I said, what is it that women do want nookie?

Hold on. I think we might have a podcast here. Oh yeah. So from a kink perspective, I started interviewing people. I originally thought it was going to be just my friends, but on my second ever show, I had Christina Carter, Nisa, nevers, and Adar Jordan, who are arguably three of the biggest fetish models in the world, especially Christina Carter who had formed most of my fantasies in my life when it comes to fetish. Right?

And so she was on my second ever show. Wow. And when I said to her, Christina, I look at your porn a little bit differently. And she goes, really? I said, I love the outfit you wear. You obviously are voluptuous. You're gorgeous. You have a beautiful face. You're always beautifully made up. And of course I like your outfits because a guy named hi there, katsu would like spandex outfits. But Christina, I get turned on by wanting to be you.

And she said, excuse me. I said, I get turned on by the idea of being desired and being helpless And thinking about what you're thinking about,

Speaker 1 (11m 58s): Interesting,

Speaker 2 (11m 58s): And the feelings you're going through and the mindset that you have realizing that you're vulnerable and feeling a little bit in danger and not in control of yourself When she went, I don't think I've ever heard anybody say that they've watched my porn like that. I said, well, consider me the first.

Speaker 1 (12m 21s): That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (12m 22s): Well, that one, that one conversation suddenly opened doors to the point where I have no fear of asking people to be on the show, none whatsoever. And so I started thinking, who did I want to have on the show? And I kept it with a kink with a kink focus because we are presented by dating kinky. But I also wanted to get athletes, people who are actresses.

And the strange thing is I started having mainstream porn stars. You have BSG Brian Gross. That has been on your show. He approached me with some mainstream porn stars. And it was almost as though they were out of place.

Speaker 1 (13m 10s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13m 10s): Because they were so much about the sex. And when I would interview people, it wasn't about the sex. It was why they are who they are And what allowed them to be that way.

Speaker 1 (13m 25s): I'm sure those were.

Speaker 2 (13m 27s): Yeah. So suddenly I start having people like Madorie, who literally wrote the book on Shibari and Japanese rope bondage and is considered an absolute superstar in the kink world, sunny Megatron, who had a show on Showtime and has one of the biggest podcasts, the American sex podcast in the country. Yeah. And then fetish model after fetish model. And then suddenly prodome after pro Dom to the point. Now that I have the other week, I had Jasmine Wu who is considered one of the top programs in the United States.

And she was doing a presentation on the same platform as I was. And I said, Jasmine, I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm John also known as hi there. Katzer and I'm the host of what women and other wonderful humans want. She goes, I know exactly who you are and I'd love to be on your show.

Speaker 1 (14m 22s): Oh, that's awesome. Hello.

Speaker 2 (14m 25s): So life has changed a little bit to the point where now, when I asked people to be on the show, they're like, sure. When do we do it? Yeah. Either that or they're or they're,

Speaker 1 (14m 37s): Or they're asking to be on the show.

Speaker 2 (14m 40s): Yeah. I, I am just so blessed by the, the people that I've gotten to talk to. And the stories that I've been able to tell a good example would be Hotsy who was very famous for being singing at Disneyland during the day and becoming a pro Dom at night, she became viral when she did the try guys show for the try guys do BDSM on YouTube, which is a huge internet sensation.

And she was the Dom that showed them how to do BDSM to the point where she was actually featured on E in a special called the real 50 shades of gray. Wow. And they followed her life.

Speaker 1 (15m 24s): That's cool.

Speaker 2 (15m 25s): Well, Hotsy during, COVID had moved to Ireland to be with a B with her boyfriend, took everything, moved, everything over there. And suddenly the relationship ended and she was left with literally nothing. She returned to Colorado where she got a job cleaning houses. Now you're talking about an internationally known pro Dom, who is cleaning houses in Colorado.

And she shared this story and she said, cleaning houses, cleansed my soul and allowed me to remember who I really was. And now, by going through all that and reaching what could be considered rock bottom, but it, she considered it her transition time. Yeah. She's back performing again. I think she enjoys kink when she can, but her life is about living her authentic life.

Now it's not about living a life that somebody's portrayed her as

Speaker 1 (16m 39s): Sure. Sure.

Speaker 2 (16m 40s): Oh, so those are the kind of stories that are pretty amazing. And I'll give you one more because I know we've got some more questions and I don't want to just keep talking here.

Speaker 1 (16m 50s): I don't know. Go ahead. Cause I was going to ask him, I was going to ask you about stories. So go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16m 54s): A couple of weeks ago, I had lady VI who is known in, in and around the world, the internationally infamous as she calls herself Satan matrix.

Speaker 1 (17m 7s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (17m 8s): And lady VI is been a pro Dom in Seattle. I actually knew of her work back when I lived in Seattle. And since I moved around, I've always followed her wild, wild personality. And of course, with a name like the Satan matrix, you would guess that she would have a wild personality. I

Speaker 1 (17m 27s): Would guess that

Speaker 2 (17m 28s): Big wide eyes amazing grin. And just always up to mischief. I had her scheduled on like my F maybe my eighth show and we were getting ready to do the show. And I said, can't wait to have you on the show next week. She says, yeah, I'm heading down to new Orleans to, to do some debauchery. And so I'll, I'll hit you up when I get back, I said, oh, that sounds good. So I contact her when she gets back from new Orleans and she says, I don't think it's a good time for me to do the show.

Cause I can't talk about it. I said, talk about what

Speaker 1 (18m 9s): It,

Speaker 2 (18m 9s): And then I didn't hear anything. So I Googled her and new Orleans. And what I found was an article where a Catholic priest had hired to dominate tricks is,

Speaker 1 (18m 25s): Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (18m 26s): To come to a Catholic church to shoot a porn on the alter.

Speaker 1 (18m 31s): Oh fuck.

Speaker 2 (18m 33s): And it was in the middle of the night, middle of the night, you know, early morning. And the nosy neighbor came by and saw lights on in the church.

Speaker 1 (18m 44s): Oh God

Speaker 2 (18m 45s): Peaked in, took the video camera called the police fuck and lady vie. And the other nominate tricks were charged with a hate crime of institutional vandalism.

Speaker 1 (18m 58s): Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (19m 0s): Like the same thing you'd be charged for, for putting a swastika on the side of a

Speaker 1 (19m 6s): Synagogue,

Speaker 2 (19m 8s): Synagogue. Right. And so obviously I knew what she couldn't talk about.

Speaker 1 (19m 13s): Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19m 14s): And I said to her, your invitation is always open whenever you want to come on the show. It's always home. And I checked with her three or four times and I just said, I just want to let you know, I was thinking of you. No expectation. Just let me know. And then I got a note back from her saying, I'm finally able to talk about it and I want to talk about it with you.

Speaker 1 (19m 38s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (19m 38s): And I said, okay, you've got an open forum. I said, I don't want to make that. The whole show goes fine, but I know what I can say. So we open up the show with the first five, which is five questions about first, like first time you ever picked up a paddle, first time you ever put on a catsuit, first time you ever walked into a Dungeon's questions like that, then we started the second segment. And I said in the immortal words of Jay Leno, when he talked to Hugh grant, what the hell were you thinking?

And she went into the story and I asked a few follow-up questions. And she was able to tell the story of the fact that they weren't in the public eyes. Somebody had to look in and consciously try to find something wrong. Right. And that the priest had been the one that had hired them and the Catholic church made it into this PR thing. Of course, where they went and they went and publicly burned the alter because everything had been defiled.

And she said, I understand why they did that. But here's what, I don't understand why priests raping kids. And I'm the one getting arrested.

Speaker 1 (20m 52s): No shit. Huh.

Speaker 2 (20m 53s): And I was like, yep. And she said, we went to shoot a porno that nobody was going to see, except people, this guy wanted a custom video and it was the priest that hired us. And we went down to do it. Yeah. We're the ones being charged with a crime,

Speaker 1 (21m 12s): Of course, because that's, that's just the way our industry's treated. Unfortunately

Speaker 2 (21m 18s): She finished talking about that. And I said, when we come back on the show, we're going to talk about why you are the way you are. And we talked for another 40 minutes and she told me the story of how the Satan matrix started, told me the story of her lifestyle subs and her professional clients told me the story of the connection that goes on in a scene. And we got deep into the story of how people pass energy and connection and love and touch with each other.

Speaker 1 (21m 58s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (21m 59s): That's very rarely about sex, but very much about being in the moment. Yeah. And after the show, she said, she said, John, I can't believe we talked about what we talked about. This was beautiful. And I said, well, you're a beautiful woman that has a wonderful heart. You'd like to tell people you don't, but you're amazing.

Speaker 1 (22m 26s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (22m 26s): Her mom listened to the show. And I got a note back from lady vie saying my mom listened to the show and I realized it was the first time she ever heard lady vie talk instead of her daughter. And she said for the first time, I understand why my daughter is the way she is. And she's beautiful in every way. And I love her and I couldn't be prouder.

Speaker 1 (22m 50s): That is fabulous. That is absolutely fabulous. So, so John,

Speaker 2 (22m 56s): And that's what I do with my show now, Bruce.

Speaker 1 (22m 58s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's fabulous. So what are the things that most men get wrong when approaching someone for a connection?

Speaker 2 (23m 7s): If it is in a social media platform or a dating platform, they don't read the damn profile of the woman. They see two breasts woman. I want to put my Dick in it. Hey babe. And they'll send an note that we'll go, Hey, or you're hot or hi, or I I'm a Dom and I can master you fall down to your knees to me, bitch.

Speaker 1 (23m 37s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (23m 39s): And our show, the reason it made the transition into allowing people to tell stories of their authentic selves is we were a broken record.

Speaker 1 (23m 48s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23m 49s): Men, men have. I call it the, the impro. I give it the improv analogy. You get a problem. You go straight for the solution. In this case, the problem is they're horny. The solution is getting themselves off. When women get a, get a problem or are given a scenario, The first thing most women do in improv is they take a 360 degree view of exactly where they are at that moment and figure out what about the journey is going to make this worthwhile to get me to where I want to go.

Speaker 1 (24m 32s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24m 33s): It's a much bigger story. So saying hi, or Hey, or you're hot, or I'm going to do something to you. Isn't like saying, I read where you really enjoy the Le a life in submission. Tell me a little bit about what that makes you feel. Hmm. I happen to be somebody who enjoys being, playing from the top and might have something of interest, especially since we both liked the Cincinnati Bengals.

And I love the fact that you love wine and you like to drink wine and go to go to parks. That's something that I enjoy as well. As a matter of fact, I actually like to go to the zoo and the concerts.

Speaker 1 (25m 21s): In other

Speaker 2 (25m 21s): Words, it sounds like something,

Speaker 1 (25m 23s): You know, in other words, talk to them like a human being.

Speaker 2 (25m 26s): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (25m 28s): Amazing how that works. Huh? Yeah. Amazing other works. So how did you get involved with the kink community

Speaker 2 (25m 34s): Back in 1966? Yes. I am old enough to be back in 1966. I used to watch Batman when it originally came out

Speaker 1 (25m 46s): To, what year are you? What year were you born? John?

Speaker 2 (25m 49s): 63.

Speaker 1 (25m 50s): Oh, you're young. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (25m 52s): But watching at three years old and seeing Catwoman seducing Batman or seeing bat girl getting tied up or put in peril, That kinda taps on your shoulder To the point when you're watching it in reruns, when you're in puberty and your mom and dad, haven't given you the talk and suddenly you have an orgasm in your pants while watching cat woman tie up Batman.

And then the second time you have an orgasm, you're watching Emma peel getting tied to train tracks. And the third time you have an orgasm it's back girl.

Speaker 1 (26m 32s): I, yes, it came naturally, I

Speaker 2 (26m 34s): Guess. And I'm still going, what in the hell is coming out of my penis? What is this? Because I didn't know When that is your first, second, third, and we'll take it all the way up to seventh before I could figure it out. That kind of imprint, you

Speaker 4 (26m 52s): Know?

Speaker 2 (26m 54s): And so I had had the fetish all my life and so many actually brought up the fact that can't can be considered an orientation. You don't have control over whether you like it or not. Okay. It's imprinted on you at a young age. You have a proclivity of it from something that you did not control. Okay. And I tend to agree with that somewhat. This is not diminishing what people in the LGBTQ plus spectrum have to go through, but I never had a choice in the matter.

So I spent my first 30 years trying to be normal and I go home bingeing and purging. Yeah. You know, I'd buy a whole, I, I got to the point where I really enjoyed the feeling of spandex. I'd buy a spandex outfit. Then I throw it away because I want to be normal. And that was the first 30 years of my life. Then I got married and she kink shamed me. She said, I know I ever want to see you in that ever. Oh man. Well that took care of the next 20 years.

So when, when my life became one without intimacy and my marriage became something that was not going to work out. Yeah. I decided to go back to my, my kink and fetish. Interesting and eventually was accepted in the Cleveland community in a wonderful way to the point where I actually ended up becoming an ambassador of the Cleveland kink community, wild frightened to bring the two rival spaces together, to talk to each other.

Now I had a little bit to do with the fact that they will go back and forth between the two spaces. For the most part. You know, you have the older people who will always be at the one place and the younger people always be at the other place, but they intermingle every now and then. That's cool. And so I was the, I was the 56 year old guy who started at the old place and then went to the young people's places said here can actually kind of cool. Yeah. And so that's what brought me into the kink community.

And now I'm very much entrenched in the kink community here. And I am proud to tell you that I don't know when this will air, but in March, I am actually being brought out to Chicago, Illinois, to be a presenter at kinky college teaching classes on telling your story authentically one, another one called consent and connections online and beyond. And the third one, which I'm most proud of is called kindness in kink.

Yeah. Where you would never think of BDSM where pain and impact. And sometimes bordering on torture could have kindness in it. But that's what I'm going to teach about.

Speaker 1 (29m 57s): Interesting. As far as the schedule goes, we'll discuss, we can discuss that offline. Who were some of the best guests you've had on your podcast? You mentioned a few.

Speaker 2 (30m 7s): Yeah. Lady vie and Christina Carter, Alexandra snow, who is a legendary dominatrix, was absolutely amazing to talk to Jim weathers who has a site called bondage cafe, probably the preeminent content producer for super heroine and spandex material. Legendary guy published author. I mean, I just got a copy of his book, which he sent to me an autograph for me that has some of the most beautiful pictures of, of women in bondage.

It's amazing. We talked for three hours. He says he doesn't give a lot of interviews. And he talked to me for three

Speaker 1 (30m 55s): Hours. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (30m 56s): In our first ever two part interview, I have talked to Lee Harrington, who is, I don't know if you, you know about Lee, but Laney is a pioneer in transgender studies and Lee at one time was a female porn star and now is a beautiful transgender man who is one of the best educators in the world when it comes to kink.

And it, when it comes to gender issues, it's cool. We've had some non-binary folks on the show that have been absolutely amazing. We've had hall of fame. Dominatrixes like Amanda wildfire, like mistress, Natalie, like Tara Indiana who ran for president against Donald Trump four years ago, because I wanted to quit. I heard about, yes, Tara was on the show and we had her on just before election day.

Speaker 1 (31m 59s): I'm sure that

Speaker 2 (32m 1s): I got any better. And then of course Madorie is the, is the absolute rock star when it comes to educating people in kink, she was called by Dan Savage, the supernova of kink. And she

Speaker 1 (32m 19s): Loved

Speaker 2 (32m 20s): Every, yeah. Every

Speaker 1 (32m 23s): I've seen him. I've seen, I've seen him on bill Maher a bunch of times. And I think he's, I think he's hilarious,

Speaker 2 (32m 29s): But I've also had fun talking to people who aren't so well known. I think one of my favorite episodes I had was a friend of mine named Andy, who is a gender fluid sex therapist and a actual psychologist who has an everyday practice. That's very open in gender issues and kink issues. And we talked about the way they approach their therapy. And we talked about a scene that we did, which to this day is still the most intense scene I've ever done, but it did not include one piece of bondage.

One bit of impact. It was all mental

Speaker 1 (33m 15s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (33m 16s): And to know it wasn't a mind, fuck. It was a here's who you really are. You just have to see it.

Speaker 1 (33m 25s): That's

Speaker 2 (33m 25s): Cool. And the catharsis I had after that scene was amazing. I could just list people one right after the other. I mean, Michelle

Speaker 1 (33m 34s): And I read the list. I read the list you put in the materials you sent me. So there's a lot, there's a lot. There's two.

Speaker 2 (33m 40s): Definitely. I have people like Michelle McNichols, who is the professor of the most popular class at the university of Washington with over 4,500 students coming through it every year on sex education. Wow. And she came on and talked about the fact that we need to lighten up my gosh, we need to lighten

Speaker 1 (34m 1s): Up.

Speaker 2 (34m 2s): And the fact that she is the most popular professor, isn't just because of sex education, but because she makes it like everybody can understand it. There you go. That's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (34m 13s): Keep it fun. So tell us about the process of bringing these guests on the show and your reaction. Once you've interviewed them.

Speaker 2 (34m 22s): As I mentioned, I'm a little fearless when it comes to asking people. Sure. I will find people that I find interesting on Instagram and I'll follow them for a while. And if I think there'll be a good fit on the show, I'll reach out to them. I will try to find emails wherever possible. When I want to get ahold of people. I Luckily had done some things with sunny Megatron. So I was able to reach out to Sonny and, and she knew exactly who I was Madorie was our first big get, I think, as far as absolute superstars, along with Christina Carter.

And here's the, here's the story I should tell about that. Christina Carter was on my second ever show,

Speaker 1 (35m 6s): Right?

Speaker 2 (35m 7s): I hadn't been on. And why would Christina Carter as amazing a fetish model as she is, want to be on my show? And I asked her, I said, Christina, what does your inbox look like? She said, you mean the 81,000 red messages that I have?

Speaker 1 (35m 27s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (35m 28s): I said, well, how the hell did you read mine? She said, it was pretty simple. Your email addresses women and other wonderful humans at Gmail com. Yeah. And I had to look at that one.

Speaker 1 (35m 40s): Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I love that.

Speaker 2 (35m 43s): And so you'll never get a yes. Unless you actually ask. And there are some people that I have been persistent, not obnoxious, but persistent with

Speaker 1 (35m 56s): Right.

Speaker 2 (35m 57s): Alexandra, snow being one of them who is an amazing pro Dom from here in, in Ohio. And she said, you've been patient. Let's do the show. Yeah. It took me a year. But the fact is I always treated her with respect. I always approached her kindly. And that's how you do it. I dress like guys asking for a date, do it rhythm, respect, show their proper reverence.

Yup. And people say, yes,

Speaker 1 (36m 30s): That's the way people should do everything. Do you still have some dream guests you'd like to get on? He laughs.

Speaker 2 (36m 38s): I've had a lot of them, which is the funny thing. Simone justice is one that I am very much wanting to get on. And she has told me that this summer we will do it. She is one of the first superstar dominatrices that I know of out of Dallas. She's somebody that I desperately want on the show. Cool. There are some fetish models that I would absolutely love to get on the show. One of whom of course is D Devonte's.

That would be a dream guest on this particular show because I think it would be fascinating to find out how much of Dita Von Teese. The character is the same as the human that plays it,

Speaker 1 (37m 24s): Where you go.

Speaker 2 (37m 25s): And so that I think if you had a top of the bucket list, that would probably be at right now, but I keep discovering new people every single day, Jean Bardo, who is a amazing pioneer when it comes to both rubber fetish and being a pro Dom, I had Jean on the show and I gave her five weeks of hype, super Dom's a super model, everything super I could think of. And I had her on the show and she couldn't have been nicer.

Speaker 1 (37m 57s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (37m 58s): And when I go to, when I go to kinky college, I'm taking a side trip up to Minneapolis because I'm going to be fortunate enough to have lunch with Jean Bardo.

Speaker 1 (38m 10s): Cool. That will

Speaker 2 (38m 11s): Be the first guests that I've actually met. That wasn't one of my friends, because this has all been on zoom. So I'm hoping to eventually get to the point where my ultimate dream is to be able to go to a Dom con or a FET con and through my basis of being a television host and, and talent, and also being a talent for live events. I want to be able to be the one that can moderate panels like they do at Comicons and they also do fetish cons.

Yeah. And so that's what my, my ultimate goal is right now is to be able to go out and experience these people and bring my talents out into the public where I can make some great connections.

Speaker 1 (38m 55s): Yes. Or, or like LeBron bring your talents to a Miami.

Speaker 2 (39m 0s): Don't get me started on.

Speaker 1 (39m 3s): I couldn't resist. Since you mentioned Cleveland for awhile, I just couldn't resist. Sorry. That was, that was one of the worst moments ever on television. I thought, what did nanny get? How do we, yeah. Moderating is good. I've, I've moderated a lot of panels at the adult B2B shows and yeah, it's, it's certainly always very gratifying. So

Speaker 2 (39m 28s): Not really the things Bruce pardon me for interrupting. One of the things that I love about the interviews that I do is, and this sounds like it's a brag, but it's going to be a humble brag because I don't have it anymore. I got rid of, I got rid of my ego and life became so much better, But at the end of most, every one of my interviews, the subjects will go, well, damn, I didn't expect that. Or that was the most different interview I've ever done.

Or the one that I love you didn't ask me the question. I said, what question? You know, where's the strangest place you've done it. And I'm like, I'm not even thinking of that. I don't even give a shit about that. And to have people tell me that this was their favorite interview that they've ever done. That's what I live for. Yeah. Because these women are objectified every single day. And to have them have someone interview them as a human that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (40m 33s): Absolutely. Absolutely. That's everything should be. So how do we find the show?

Speaker 2 (40m 39s): It's very easy. If you know what link tree is go to link tree, which they go by, L I N K T R. Then you put the.in there and put an E and then hits slash what women want podcast. Very good. And that link tree has how you can find us on Spotify, or you can find us on apple or iHeart or any one of the major podcast places we are on pretty much all of them.

And w would love for you all to join us. And you can find the show on Twitter at what women want. P one, if you're an AGA styles fan, you can remember that one, but what women want P one and then on Instagram, we're at what women want podcast

Speaker 1 (41m 29s): And how about if they want to be on the show?

Speaker 2 (41m 31s): They want to be on the show. Simply drop me a line, a direct message. I read all my direct messages on Instagram and on and on Twitter. And I think I have ways to get ahold of me. You can get ahold of me through FetLife at hi there, catsuit any, any way you try to get ahold of me. I'm more than happy to say, okay, I need an email from you and I'll send you all the details on the show and we start our communication and our connection like that.

Speaker 1 (42m 2s): That's that's awesome. So discuss some of the differences and you've, you mentioned one with the, with the gal's mother, but discuss some of the differences you're making in the lives of some of your guests.

Speaker 2 (42m 13s): I think we are allowing them to be seen in a light that they are not used to be seen in. If you think of, let's say a professional dominatrix, most, every reaction to them is yes. Mistress. I want you to, I want you to be on top of me, mistress. I want to go on my knees for you. I want to worship your feet.

Speaker 1 (42m 37s): Right.

Speaker 2 (42m 37s): But I'm interviewing the person outside of the latex catsuit,

Speaker 1 (42m 42s): Right? Because it's a role

Speaker 2 (42m 44s): Correct. Now, in some cases, it's very much who they are.

Speaker 1 (42m 49s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (42m 51s): I'm have a, if you could call this person, my, my one crush of anybody that I have had on the show, their name is matrix, dominate tricks, rubber fetishists, and fitness instructor. Oh. Who inspired me to get back to working out to the point where I work out every day.

Speaker 1 (43m 17s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (43m 18s): And I didn't do that before I interviewed her on the show.

Speaker 1 (43m 21s): So she made a difference in your life.

Speaker 2 (43m 23s): That's right. Big

Speaker 1 (43m 25s): Time.

Speaker 2 (43m 26s): Yeah. And I will tell a story because it just happened. So we were going to have her back. We were going to have them back on the show and we started talking and they had been through a real health issue Over the past eight months to the point where they got really sick And it took everything. They had to be able to get back up and even work or even work out.

Speaker 1 (43m 51s): Yeah,

Speaker 2 (43m 52s): Lost a lot of weight, became very difficult for them. And I'm talking about this journey and we go to break because my voice is breaking. I'm starting to sound emotional. And we start talking and we're in the break and we just keep talking and keep talking. And after about 45 minutes, I said, I feel really bad because I, I really think we need to reschedule the podcast.

And she said, I had already decided we were going to, she said, or they said gender fluid. And sometimes at 58 years old, I get it wrong. They said to me, they said to me, John, you needed me to talk to you tonight more than you needed me on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (44m 48s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (44m 49s): And we finished our conversation and I was in tears and I was able to get myself feeling a little bit better. Yeah. And we rescheduled the podcast, but we also vowed to each other that we would meet up, spend the day together and get to know each other a lot better. That's

Speaker 1 (45m 9s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (45m 9s): So I believe I've made the difference in like lady Vi's life or in a HUD Seabrook, formerly known as Hotsy Han's life. And I've been able to present people in ways that they've never been presented before, but

Speaker 1 (45m 26s): The people

Speaker 2 (45m 26s): I get a tremendous love out of it. And I feel the connection that I have with many of these people. Now I will also tell you, it can be a curse as well, because when you've done almost a hundred shows, talking about everything, like the feeling that you would have inside a vacuum, latex vacuum bed and the piece you can find inside it, or some sort of, some sort of session that is done, where you're at total peace with yourself and it lasts for hours.

And you talk about this and you sit back and you go, am I ever going to get to experience it? And that can be tough because I'm talking about things that I dream of.

Speaker 1 (46m 17s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (46m 18s): So I don't know if I'm torturing myself when I do that, or if I just want them to be able to share the story. Sure. And I'm hoping that somewhere along the lines, because many of the people I talked to her professional dominatrix is it's not proper for me to say, Hey, I had you on the show. Why don't you do this with me? Because it's their vocation. It is their job. It's like asking.

Speaker 1 (46m 44s): Yeah. It's like asking a doctor to treat you for free. That, that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (46m 48s): Right.

Speaker 1 (46m 49s): Yeah. I agree.

Speaker 2 (46m 51s): So I will tell you that many of them have just told me that just to, to hang in there and keep believing and that I will be able to enjoy the experiences because I'm paying it forward.

Speaker 1 (47m 4s): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47m 6s): I don't one day I hope I will.

Speaker 1 (47m 8s): You are most certainly. So when you're presenting at a kink convention, what kind of classes do you teach?

Speaker 2 (47m 15s): Well, I talked about the three classes that I'm going to present. And the next one I'll talk about here is a kindness in kink.

Speaker 1 (47m 24s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (47m 24s): One of the things that I have noticed with many of my friends is that many of the top, and this comes to me, both male and female is many of the tops will be very set in their ways about wanting to do one kind of scene. And a lot of it is very intense and some of it can be nice, but it's usually very intense or, or trying to bring focus for something. Well, I have developed this way of topping in the few times that the topic catsuit, that's a hashtag toppy catsuit, because it's a thing very rarely does topic catsuit ever come out to play.

Speaker 1 (48m 5s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (48m 6s): But when I do, I will do scenes that people will say to me afterwards, I've never been treated that kindly before. Doesn't mean that I didn't hit them with a paddle. It doesn't mean that I didn't hit them with a soup ladle, which happens to be my favorite toy from a dollar store. And it leaves wonderful bruises. But what they feel is what I say to them in between. I'm hitting you with this ladle over and over in this one spot.

So when you get to the office on Wednesday and you're having a really crappy time and you're all stressed out, you can reach down and touch that bruise and come right back to where we are now

Speaker 6 (48m 51s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (48m 52s): Or I will, if they've had a really rough week and let's say they, they might not feel good about their body image. I'll, I'll do a series of impact moves and then I'll go to them. And I said, you do realize that you're absolutely beautiful in the way you're responding to this.

Speaker 6 (49m 13s): Hmm. Nice.

Speaker 2 (49m 15s): Instead of you sh you should be happy and count these off for me. Yeah, no, that's not what I asked. And the biggest example I can give is a scene that was done at winter wickedness, where a friend of mine who had had a really rough time getting back into the kink scene, had a bad relationship, bad breakup, and had gained about 40 pounds. Wasn't happy with the body image at all. A friend of mine said, I want to do a scene with her and I want you to co-taught.

And I said, I don't want to co-taught, but here's what I want to do. I want to provide her with something to really remember the scene by

Speaker 1 (49m 57s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (49m 58s): And make her feel the way she wants to feel. So the top tied her up with her arms, to the side, blindfolded her, and did an impact scene.

Speaker 1 (50m 10s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (50m 11s): And between the impacts, I had gathered her friends and we whispered into her ear things like your beauty comes from your heart and your heart is the most beautiful thing in this building.

Speaker 6 (50m 24s): Guys,

Speaker 2 (50m 25s): You give so much to so many that all we ever want to do is give back to you.

Speaker 1 (50m 31s): That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (50m 32s): Say quote, after quote saying, after saying yeah. In between these hard impacts.

Speaker 1 (50m 40s): Yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (50m 41s): At the end of the scene, they take off her blindfold and I'm standing in front of her holding a small, I think it's three by five notebook. And we had all written what we had said to her in that notebook.

Speaker 1 (50m 58s): It's sweet.

Speaker 2 (50m 59s): And what we said is this is a notebook to remind you of where you were tonight.

Speaker 1 (51m 5s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51m 6s): And when you have a doubt as to the difference you make in our lives, open it up, read it and remember,

Speaker 1 (51m 14s): And that my friend, I guess, is what women want.

Speaker 2 (51m 17s): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (51m 19s): Well, John, on that note, I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker talk. And I know we'll have a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (51m 27s): I absolutely enjoyed every minute, Bruce, thank you very much for being so persistent, but never rude.

Speaker 1 (51m 34s): I do my best. Thank you, sir. My broker tip today is part five of how to buy an adult website. Last week, we talked about how to determine the value of a site, how to negotiate the sale and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you're talking to your attorney and you're having them draft an agreement. What should be in it while your attorney will guide you through the legal side. But here's some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint, what is the date you'd like to close?

Make sure you know, that you'll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase by that date, I've had buyers who aren't ready and that just causes issues. In fact, I'm going through some of that right now with a couple of my deals, make sure that all of the assets you're purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with vendors, all records, including 2, 2, 5, 7 data software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites.

Of course, this should spell out any payment schedule. If there is one who's responsible for closing costs, such as paying for escrow. And there are always terms that are unique to yours and the seller situation, this assumes you're the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is drawing up the agreement, then it's important that you express all of this to your legal representative so they can check the seller's agreement and see if any changes are necessary. We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with Norman Jean of junk productions

Speaker 7 (53m 18s): And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest Jon of What Women Want. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.