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Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Robert Warren of 2much.net.

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Now let’s feature our property of the week that’s for sale at Adult Site Broker. We’re proud to offer for sale a network of 22 growing affiliate sites. These include adult and affiliate review sites and various top lists. The network has grown in traffic and income over time. This is due to the quality of the network’s seo. The network brings in large amounts of signups through pay per sale and rev share programs.

There are also many two-tier affiliate signups generating income monthly. The seller will be available to the buyer with some ideas on how to generate extra revenue that he didn’t have a chance to do himself and to train the new owner on the operation of the sites. We’ve just reduced the price on this listing from $474,000 to only $369,000. Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today and Adult Night Broker talk is Robert Warren of Too much.net as well as his own consulting firm.

Rob, thanks for being back with us today on Adult Site Broker talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 27s): Oh, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy to be

Speaker 1 (2m 29s): Here. It’s great to have you. Now Robert is a 29 year veteran of the adult industry, focusing on SEO and marketing. Many know him for his professionalism and mentorship. He’s offered advice and guidance to company owners on down to new webmasters and sales reps. You can find him currently alongside longtime friend markPrince@toomuch.net handling marketing and SEO for the company. Rob has spoken at many adult shows including avn, Internet, the Phoenix Forum, Webmaster Access, and many more throughout the years.

Rob, it’s been a year since we spoke, so what’s been going on in your business life since then?

Speaker 2 (3m 9s): Oh, just having a blast. I mean, it’s amazing. You would think after so many years you would get bored of it, but it’s getting more and more exciting Since the last show. Obviously, you know, a lot of people heard what happened and, or sorry, heard the show and started contacting me and it was really, really nice just chatting with and meeting new people and, and people just wanting to get into the industry and getting advice.

And I think my favorite part is just helping a lot of them avoiding the pitfalls of wanting to get into it. Sure. While other ones who were in it were calling me up and helping them redirect their, their focus because they would’ve lost a lot of money if, if they continued on the way that they were doing. So it’s sure it’s so good to be able to help people out and you provided me that opportunity to help even more people out.

So greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (4m 12s): Hey, you were one of our most listened to podcast. You must have had your aunts, your uncles, your your cousins, everyone listening to it

Speaker 2 (4m 23s): As long as it wasn’t my parole officer. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 (4m 26s): That’s a, that’s a, that’s a really good thing for sure. Now, during our last conversation, you’d mentioned that about half your life has been spent in the adult industry and before that you were a pastor. Now the industry is faced a lot of attacks for many sources, including the religious right, Lord knows, pun intended. Can you understand their view and how would you respond to them?

Speaker 2 (4m 51s): In part I do understand their view, though. I have to take a step back and say that the American versus the Canadian religious groups are radically different

Speaker 1 (5m 3s): And

Speaker 2 (5m 4s): Even where there is radical Yeah. Up here in Canada, there’s tends to be a lot more openness and forgiveness and not, not necessarily forgiveness, but just inclusiveness. Yeah. Like my eldest who’s trans, the church, just like, okay, you know, like, welcome with open arms and oh man, you know what, what, what does he go by? And it’s like, okay, so I said the name and whenever we’ve gone, it’s like everybody from the pastor right down through whoever we’re in contact with says his name the way he wants it.

Yeah. And, and is happy and treats him perfectly normally. And I’m just like, Wow. You know, yet in the US that’s a, that’s a totally different thing. The religious group in the US has really gotten their hands too much into politics.

Speaker 1 (6m 3s): Absolutely. And,

Speaker 2 (6m 4s): And has not only infected that has become a virus, but has influenced it in totally the wrong ways. That is nothing. And I, you know, and I don’t mean to say it this way, but it has go for it. Nothing to do with with biblical teachings or what the Bible says or anything. It is everything to do with their opinions and how they want things to, you know, for themselves.

Not for, but the Bible is so, you know, I’m, years ago when I was being interviewed once, I don’t know if you remember, they had a guy named Pastor Phelps. He’s from the Westboro Baptist Church, and he was the leader of a group that’s called God Hates Fs. And this organization would go literally to, you know, if you had a fallen soldier or something, and if he was homosexual, that they would go and pick at the funeral.

Speaker 1 (7m 11s): Yeah. I do remember that.

Speaker 2 (7m 14s): Terrible. And so I remember when somebody in the adult radio show business wanted to interview them, they had nobody that could stand up or at least could talk to them. Sure. And somebody got ahold of, you know, they got ahold of me and I was a, I was a regular on the show cuz they did that every Wednesday and they got ahold of me. And so I had it out with this guy. And initially at first we were fine, but when I started using logic in actual biblical facts, he was lost.

Speaker 1 (7m 46s): Oh, I bet.

Speaker 2 (7m 46s): And it, then it came down to opinions. And that being said, and to answer your question, what’s happening is, is they’re attacking not just the women right now, but you know, they’re gonna be heading towards areas that, you know, they’re gonna removing all the rights for the, for the gay community, they’re gonna get rid of the marriage. That’s their goals is to take America. And, you know, like a hundred years more in the past.

Sure. And they’re already working on the voting.

Speaker 1 (8m 20s): Yeah. I mean, what’s happened with, and it started with like Falwell and those guys, the moral majority love that Im

Speaker 2 (8m 31s): Majority

Speaker 1 (8m 32s): Yeah. I mean, what’s happened is the religious powers that be have hijacked the right. Totally hijacked them. And they’ve somehow convinced a lot of people that anything that isn’t the norm is wrong. And they’ve gotten the politicos to go along with them. Yeah. Let’s, let’s face it, the, the the right of of well, all of politics in America is jacked up and it needs a total redo.

The two party system is outmoded and they’re just, it doesn’t serve the people. About 85% of the people, I believe, think that abortion should be legal. And yet we’ve got one of our two parties voting against it every time. So, Well,

Speaker 2 (9m 27s): He, if I, if I can just interject here. Sure. I can show you the hypocrisy of all of this and of the very short sentence. And that is that if you remember during Covid, these people were standing up and they were screaming, you know, I’m not wanna wear masks and what was their chant? My body, my choice.

Speaker 1 (9m 48s): Yeah, exactly. And

Speaker 2 (9m 49s): Now when it comes to women in abortion and all this, they forgotten that mattress, that mantra. Yeah. And now they’re saying basically your body our choice.

Speaker 1 (9m 60s): Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. They try to tell people how to live their lives. Yeah. They tell people how to live their lives and you know, that’s kind of an American

Speaker 2 (10m 9s): Yeah,

Speaker 1 (10m 10s): Yeah. Kinda undemocratic for any democratic country. I like yours better. So, so last time we, we talked, we talked about you being a family man with five kids and you mentioned your eldest is trans and you have another child with I’ll see, said this right? Dubs okay. Syndrome. Yeah. That’s Now how has all this affected your business life?

Speaker 2 (10m 35s): I’m gonna say in one word, empathy.

Speaker 1 (10m 39s): Ah.

Speaker 2 (10m 40s): I mean, I’ve always tried to, to read and to learn about the industry and those who are within it, you know, the various cultures, the fetishes, the opinions. And Sure. During that time there was a lot that have escaped me, in other words that I just couldn’t get a handle on. Right. And I knew that there was areas that I needed growth on. People would say, you know, Oh, I’m trans, for example. And I’d be like, That’s good, but what the hell does that really mean?

And now that I’m going through this with my own team, I can now find myself at trade shows or, or just talking on the webmaster boards or wherever, and I can actually identify and I can strike up a conversation. I can relate Yes. And empathize rather than asking awkward questions or, or being like somebody who’s just like, you know, you’re kind of at arms length, you know, do it, but do it over there. Right. You know?

And so rather than just brush ’em off or ignore them, I can engage hoping that they’ll understand that, you know, my main purpose in talking is that, you know, I do consider people in the adult industry like an, like a family.

Speaker 1 (11m 57s): It is, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11m 58s): You know, and if you remember the old Lelo one stitch, what is it? Ohana like, you know, like means family and family means no one gets left behind or forgotten. And as we move ahead as an industry, we can’t leave people behind or forget them. And that also means the various smaller groups or whatever groups and, you know, we have to make sure that they’re aware that we’re here and, and that we can, we can relate, you know?

Okay. And we’re not gonna ignore.

Speaker 1 (12m 35s): Okay. Sounds good. You might want to turn the sound off on, on your computer there, so somebody wants you there. So the, the past few years we’ve dealt as an industry with Covid just like the rest of the world. Do you think Covid has had a positive or negative impact on our industry and why?

Speaker 2 (12m 55s): The positive is I think a lot of us who are there and, and, and helping people out to create websites and all of that, that people are, are, you know, they’re trying to play it smart. And so individuals who want to, I’m finding that more and more people who are now stuck at home or whatever, they, they’re all sudden going, Well let’s create a, a website, you know, and let’s do this. So that grew, A lot of people grew on that.

There’s also people who are obviously stressed and need relief. And so a lot of the seals specifically in the cam industry grew. Yeah. As, because Cams provide a relationship, so to speak, not necessarily a healthy one, but it did. And so there was a lot of loneliness and, and so that side of it grew on the negative. We lost too many damn good people.

Speaker 1 (13m 55s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (13m 57s): And also, Covid drove a wedge between the, the rest of the industry because as you already know, on the boards, some people refused to accept Covid as a reason for things. Yeah. And others were, you know, whether to get vaccinated or not. And there was a huge battle going on constantly. Yeah. And as we kept on fighting over that, more and more people died.

Speaker 1 (14m 27s): Yeah. I kind of found, I kind of found on the boards and in society in general, those were the same people who were staunch Trump supporters almost to, to a person. And quite frankly, I’ve had most of those people blocked, at least on ex bids where I spend most of my time. Yeah. Cause I just don’t have time. Well, I just, I don’t have time for politics anymore. The whole, the whole Jan since January 6th, my, my interest in politics is, is almost ni except where it affects our industry directly.

So, you know, I I I think that those, those are the same people and they’ve been invisible to me, which is a real good thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15m 8s): The other thing is a sad thing is the content. And that is that we sure, we already had a whole crap load of content on the net, but we were slowly reaching our limit as to what people wanted to watch. And then whatever was left was left, we couldn’t shoot anymore. Yeah. Basically. And then all of a sudden when people were shooting, we started getting new niches, we started getting porn, mass porn, quarantine, porn.

Exactly. Like, we really need a reminder of this

Speaker 1 (15m 48s): Inevitable.

Speaker 2 (15m 50s): No. But then, but then we had like, places like only fans, I mean, really they only happened because people were bored with porn movies and or gave up hope that the girl honestly enjoyed what she was doing. I mean,

Speaker 1 (16m 5s): I don’t, I don’t think people, the people who were the consumers of, of porn were necessarily born with porn board with porn movies. I think that what happened there was the whole creator thing took off because so many people were either outta work or just had a lot of time on their hands. And then obviously the whole only fans and their, you know, other companies like it, they took off because people found out you could make a lot of money there and the, the coal creator thing took, took off.

So I think that was a huge plus for the industry.

Speaker 2 (16m 44s): Well people when they watch, for example, webcams are only fans outside of just the appearance and visuals. They’re there because they want to develop a relationship. Sure. I’ve always said this when it comes to webcams and Oh yeah, I joined only fans with that. When you see somebody as beautiful, those girls get hit up or those people and only fans get hit up so much. Sure. With people wanting to have a connection. Sure. When you have a lot of that now more, especially during Covid, when it was quarantine, the other porn stuff that was on the tube sites, you know, you can only search for a topic so much before is just like, I’ve, I’ve seen it all.

Hmm. Or I’ve seen what I’ve wanted to see at the end of the day, good or bad, it still boils down to, you know, we lost too many people that we’ll never see again.

Speaker 1 (17m 40s): So we’ve recently seen major companies who are stable, suddenly have lots of issues. Mind geek obviously recently lost some senior executives along with over 200 of their employees. Now, is this something you saw coming and what do you think will be the fallout?

Speaker 2 (17m 58s): Well, remember when I talked about Phelps and those guys and the Christians when I talked a long time ago? Yeah. I mean, they’re behind a lot of this stuff. Not him in particular, but these, these, these religious groups are trying to attack and they’re not gonna stop at PornHub.

Speaker 1 (18m 18s): Right.

Speaker 2 (18m 18s): Eventually, I mean, you know, these credit card companies and everybody are gonna start, the processors are gonna start going to like X videos and hamsters. They’re gonna be down the road as well.

Speaker 1 (18m 30s): Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (18m 31s): And then we’re gonna get into, you know, like the stolen content and with all the efforts of the content producers matter, we’ll help, you know, it’s, it’s gonna, it’s gonna help, or sorry. I was gonna say, it’s all gonna be part of taking it down because at the time, and we’re talking a lot of tube sites out there, Right. And all of those tube sites don’t have original content. I mean, they have something that’s called a scraper and they just basically go to the other tube sites and scrape all of the movies.

And then many do their repertoire.

Speaker 1 (19m 5s): Yeah, many do. Yeah. But

Speaker 2 (19m 7s): Now that porn hub and that have to have all of the IDs and all the paperwork and everything, what do you think’s gonna happen to all these other tube sites that don’t have that?

Speaker 1 (19m 15s): That’s true.

Speaker 2 (19m 16s): They’re gonna be in, in the firing line eventually.

Speaker 1 (19m 19s): Yeah. If you can get to ’em, you know, I mean,

Speaker 2 (19m 22s): Get them,

Speaker 1 (19m 23s): There’s, there’s so many of them, man. Okay,

Speaker 2 (19m 25s): Let, let’s put it this way. Free to me has a, Yeah, why do I say that? Because look at all the, remember when we used to have all those free torrent sites Yeah. That you could download music and videos, all that kinda stuff. Right? Where are they? There’s still some,

Speaker 1 (19m 41s): There’s still, there’s still some up,

Speaker 2 (19m 43s): But not as much as they used to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (19m 45s): Oh, no, of course not. Because

Speaker 2 (19m 49s): If, you know, if somebody really, really wanted to get to them, the could, you know, that’s, And once again, I get back to the point of, you know, when we were younger, if watching the same type of porn was okay, then we would be perfectly happy with their first Playboy. And that would last just for life.

Speaker 1 (20m 12s): I

Speaker 2 (20m 13s): Remember we’re just wanting to see more. We’re always wanting to, to get into more things and then our imagination takes over. Yeah. And then, you know, eventually content companies, they’re just pushing out stuff and they don’t really thinking about, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a cookie cutting thing.

Speaker 1 (20m 32s): Well, and you know, I Rob, I think here’s the, here’s the thing, and I’ve always said this, you know, people say, Well, what’s gonna work? If you look at the most successful producers and companies and websites, these are the people that have a niche. They do content within that niche. And sometimes it’s quite specialized. And those are the people who have continued to do well, are the people who have really specialized.

Speaker 2 (21m 4s): Yes. And the other thing is that, remember what I was talking about webcams, there are certain video clips or, or movies where you can tell that the model is like really into it. Right. You can tell that he or she is, is thoroughly enjoying it there and you get a connection with it. And if we can come out with models and, and there, they, it still gets back to what is connecting to the users.

Speaker 1 (21m 34s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21m 35s): And when they look at her eyes or when they watch the video clip, the ones that stand out in your mind right now, if you’ve ever watched porn, I don’t know if you have or not, but if you ever have, of course, the movies that stand out in your mind are the ones that you’ve made a connection with the model that drew some type of desire or passion or feeling that you’ve made a connections like that person’s really into what I’m into. Yeah. And I’m gonna keep watching this video again because I can relate or I feel something more.

Speaker 1 (22m 9s): Right.

Speaker 2 (22m 10s): With that particular video. Or,

Speaker 1 (22m 13s): Or at least they make you think they’re into it. Acting comes into

Speaker 2 (22m 17s): It, It’s all, it’s all a game. But at this end of the day, you can have a hundred videos, but you might only watch two or three over again a couple times. Why is that? Because you’ve connected to the model, you’ve connected to the scene, you’ve connected to the action. And right now, are we really coming up with content that’s doing that? Or are we just trying to, to fill the, you know, just fill the void with what we’ve got?

Sometimes I look, I look at sometimes some of the stuff and I, I just shake my head because you could tell that the model, you know, when they’re looking away, they’re, they’re looking to where their paycheck is sitting.

Speaker 1 (22m 59s): Exactly. It’s on, it’s on the ceiling. So, so you’re, so you’re coming close to 30 years in this industry. Okay. Yeah. Over the years you worked with multiple companies and still are, Do you ever see yourself retiring?

Speaker 2 (23m 16s): Oh God. You know, there’s an old saying that, you know, you, you hear people say that you’re a lucky person if you can love what you work at. And what I do, at least what I think I do is I connect with people and I really find that, you know, the, you know, the, the, the connections are what keeps me alive and keeps me going year after year talking to new people, helping ’em out, learning about them, you know? Right. Growing like that. I think that if this, I’m gonna call it the new industry, I, if it starts going in a way that I simply can’t support it anymore.

Right. You know, in, in allowing content,

Speaker 1 (23m 57s): How would that, well how would that be?

Speaker 2 (23m 59s): Honestly, I’ve seen more simulated underage content.

Speaker 1 (24m 4s): Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (24m 6s): I’ve,

Speaker 1 (24m 7s): Well, but that’s something the credit card companies will clamp down on really fast though.

Speaker 2 (24m 11s): There, there’s, there’s, if you look at POV stuff and you look at more of this family stuff, you know, incest and all that that’s coming out and all of this, and you just, like, where the hell did all this come from? I mean, remember the old days when the

Speaker 1 (24m 27s): Reason they, the reason they have it sadly, is it’s something that turns somebody on.

Speaker 2 (24m 32s): Yeah. But now we are, but now we’re getting into this whole realm where the content that’s being shot is, is kind of going into direction that just is like, Whoa, wait a minute here. There was times when we wouldn’t have even touched this. Hmm. You know?

Speaker 1 (24m 49s): Okay. And

Speaker 2 (24m 50s): The people, and the people that are in the industry, we have actually started to, to lose our connection with one another. And let me explain this. Okay. Like, I still don’t get a lot of great friends and, and for the past few years, and I’ve made friends, you know, but if you’re somebody here who, for example, if you take a break, like I’ve known one or two people who’ve taken a break and just say, Look, I’m stepping back for the industry.

I’m just gonna, you know, go do something else. And then, you know, and then they come back after like two years or something. Yeah. Like, I know one guy who was like king of the world, you know, he’d go to a trade show. Everybody wanted to be with him, Everybody wanted to be there. And now, you know, like, and he just felt burnt at the time. Sure. But then he wanted to come back and then it was just like, started to be, nobody’s ever heard of him, you know? So, I mean, there’s people now that think that they’re legendary and, but see what happens when you don’t post for about a year or two.

Speaker 1 (25m 56s): Well, hey, here’s the thing. Okay. And not everybody posts Rob, but, but here’s, here’s the thing. Okay. If you go away for a period of time, a whole new group of people join the industry and they don’t know you. So to, to them you are new, You need to reestablish your reputation with them. Well, you need to establish your reputation cuz you don’t have one.

Speaker 2 (26m 20s): And that also includes that awards, at least in my mind, Don’t mean Deadly Squad

Speaker 1 (26m 27s): Awards

Speaker 2 (26m 28s): Last you, you are winning of an award last till New Year’s

Speaker 1 (26m 32s): If

Speaker 2 (26m 32s): That, you know, because it’s like,

Speaker 1 (26m 35s): That’s a whole other subject.

Speaker 2 (26m 37s): Oh, don’t even get me started on that. I, I I’ve got, you know, I’ve seen people that tell those things and it’s like, yeah, okay, maybe that was back in that year. What about now? You know?

Speaker 1 (26m 48s): Yeah. And let’s, let’s face it, some awards are legitimate, most are not. And it does, it does seem like a small group of people win the lion share the awards and it all comes back to the, to the Bro club Yep.

Speaker 2 (27m 9s): And advertisers and things like

Speaker 1 (27m 11s): That. Oh, well, well that goes, that kind of goes without saying, doesn’t it? That kind of goes without saying. I mean, I mean, there are, there are exceptions. You get somebody like Brad from Mojo Host who has won so many awards. Well, he deserves it. He has a great company. But, you know, that doesn’t mean there aren’t other good web hosts out there.

Speaker 2 (27m 30s): Yeah. You and I are entered in dangerous territory right

Speaker 1 (27m 32s): Now. So I, you know what? I don’t really give a flip. I mean, I’ve got, I’ve got my, the people who like me and the people who hate me, and it’s not, it’s not necessarily gonna change. And like I said, like I said, Brad’s very deserving. Okay. I congratulate him every time he wins an award. With that said, he’s not the only web host. Okay. And, and there are people who win awards year after year after year where they’re competition potentially for the award.

They should win something. I mean, let’s face it, it’s a popularity contest. And you’re right. The being an advertiser quite often is what wins you these things. So somebody’s, if somebody’s offended by that, I’m sorry. No, I’m not really sorry.

Speaker 2 (28m 24s): So, Well,

Speaker 1 (28m 25s): I

Speaker 2 (28m 25s): Can end with this Brad for Mojo. I know you’re listening. If you win the Xbi Newcomer of the Year award,

Speaker 1 (28m 35s): That could be a problem. Yeah, that could be. I’m

Speaker 2 (28m 37s): Gonna have a,

Speaker 1 (28m 38s): Okay. Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 (28m 40s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28m 40s): That could, that could definitely be a problem. And if you win and if you win the newcomer of the, of the year, I’ve got a, I’ve got a problem with that. Okay. Yeah. So,

Speaker 2 (28m 50s): One, I got lost in the mail a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (28m 52s): Yes, it did. So well, mine too. So one thing I’ve noticed is that you don’t promote yourself at all on the boards these days while others do. Why is that? Well,

Speaker 2 (29m 4s): I mean, we just had the quick conversation. I mean, I don’t really covert awards and, you know, my feelings about that. I think, as I said, it’s, it’s a domino effect. Like on the boards, as I said, I, I talk to people like family and, and you and people request help and all that stuff. And you know, I I I don’t sit there and say, Hey, I’m an SEO monkey, you know, and I hate it.

I absolutely hate it when people use the word expert or that somebody knows everything about everything. Well, nobody does it. It really does because there is no, there is no such thing, you know, I’m sorry. That’s true. But I get several Skypes and emails a day and they basically start off all the same. It’s like, so and so recommended you that I should ask you this question. And you know, and I’m there and I help them out. And, you know, if people see what I’m writing on the boards, you notice that when I post things, I don’t, you know, I post about the topic or whatever.

I don’t really, I just don’t push it out there. The first order of my business is to gain trust into relationship. Sure. You know, because people buy and work with those people that they trust. Right. And if you’re not trustworthy to be honest and do what you say you’re gonna do, then, you know, and if, sorry, if that, if that’s what you’re doing, then a new client is built. Clients at the end of the day are my boss. Yeah. And I just perform and I, you know, but, but I also need to train and teach them Sure.

As well. Not just to show ’em that they made the right choice. Right. For me. But, you know, we can also have higher levels of discussions. And with that being said, if you’re training somebody and you’re teaching somebody, if you’ve developed a relationship with them, they’re more willing to take it in and know that when you’re giving them advice and you’re talking about their site or, or SEO or whatever, because a lot of times they do more than just seo. I’m giving people advice on their business and, and everything from marketing to, you know, what to buy and what do whatever.

But they do that because they trust. Cause they honestly know that I care about who they are and what they’re doing. And, and I’m helping them. I wanna see them succeed. And if they’re honestly at that point where they’re, they, they really do want to succeed for the right reasons Right. Then, then I’m there to help them along. And that’s great. And at the end of the day, you know, when you got people who have succeeded, bosses talk.

Yeah. You know, and when bosses talk, they recommend, and at times that will be me. And so sure. When that happens, I would rather get a client from a referral, which I do then promote myself. Because, you know, you’re starting off from squares, you know, back down to Square zero again. Yeah. Somebody says, Hey, you know, this guy’s really helped my company. We’ve, we’ve grown our, our traffic has grown by a thousand percent or 2000 and he’s really helped me out and in more than we used in one.

I really think you need to talk to this guy. I want a client like that. Of course, of course. Don’t we all, because that guy will call me up and he’s saying, Look, you got very well recommended and you know, what can you do? What can we do together? And then, you know, know on good terms to start.

Speaker 1 (32m 41s): Yep. So, so thinking back over the years, what is it that you miss in this industry that isn’t around anymore that you believe we could all benefit from?

Speaker 2 (32m 51s): There’s so many different answers. Give me, I guess the first way that I could answer that is with the number 42

Speaker 1 (33m 0s): Jackie Robinson?

Speaker 2 (33m 2s): No, no, that’s, that’s Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Okay. But actually, if I was to count, and th this is why I say 42, if I count and I have how many webmaster boards have on my list, There’s like 42. Hmm. But actively right now, like we, you’re basically looking at Xbi G FY and that kind of stuff, right? Yep. Like, there’s very, very, very few that are left.

And most of those other message boards, if you remember back in the day, I mean, they were all just basically promotional tools for, for the affiliate companies,

Speaker 1 (33m 44s): Pretty much.

Speaker 2 (33m 46s): And affiliate companies would advertise on these boards, and so everybody would start them up and, but now that there’s not the affiliate dollars going into those boards, suddenly they’re, they’re off.

Speaker 1 (33m 56s): Oh, yeah. And, and I think the whole message board concept has been taken over by Facebook groups and the like.

Speaker 2 (34m 2s): Yeah. But back in the day without Tubes, affiliate programs basically ruled more the, the message boards. Sure. That gave us the chance to connect to each other. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34m 17s): But you still, well you still have it on X Biz and also G fy, although I don’t spend a lot of time over there,

Speaker 2 (34m 24s): So limited.

Speaker 1 (34m 25s): Well, yeah. Bec quite frankly, here’s, here’s the biggest problem I find and it’s, it’s something that’s infected all social media, including adult social media, is politics. And that is what has driven most people away from the industry boards, the ones that still exist. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34m 46s): Yeah. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (34m 48s): And I mean, ex Xbi used to have tons of posts and tons of questions about the business and hey, I’m, I’m starting this and will you take a look at this site? And it also would have a lot more people who were experienced and had been around a long time and were actual owners of sites and companies on there. You don’t see much of that anymore. And the ones who are on or on a lot less, cuz quite frankly they don’t wanna go through all the political posts and everything.

There’s just too much bs I mean all, all, all it’s become is a, is is a bitch forum.

Speaker 2 (35m 28s): Back in the day when there was all this, I think I was at one point I was moderator on six of them. And what I, I think is also we’ve done is we’ve lost the ability, and I mean this in all sincerity, we’ve lost the ability to mentor one another and which also means having a code of conduct.

Speaker 1 (35m 50s): Right.

Speaker 2 (35m 51s): You know, and we found that out, especially this week when somebody came on the board and basically told somebody something that they should not have. Hmm. And this person was a mentor and a veteran and the person called her cunt.

Speaker 1 (36m 10s): And

Speaker 2 (36m 11s): I was stunned

Speaker 1 (36m 13s): Because

Speaker 2 (36m 14s): This is a veteran, this is somebody who’s done so much for so many people and person.

Speaker 1 (36m 19s): That’s a good way, it’s a good way to get yourself banned. Which hopefully they were,

Speaker 2 (36m 22s): They were good. It actually was, according to somebody was like the quickest band ever happened.

Speaker 1 (36m 28s): Good. Was this, was this on? Was this on?

Speaker 2 (36m 32s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (36m 34s): Missed.

Speaker 2 (36m 36s): That’s what happens when you miss a meeting. Yeah. Well, but we, we have lost the ability to mentor one another. And that’s why I think that I’ve been around for so long is I do that. Yeah. And with that comes along with the vanguard, the old days is that there was a code of conduct. Yeah. Trades were more about trades for about adult networking and fun. Yeah. Showing off making entertains truly porn stars, industry veterans were legends and experts and you know, and now, you know, now we’ve got this slick software that’s out there that an actuality is very limited, but everything they can, everybody thinks that they can get away with doing their own designing and programming and SEO and marketing without the need of anyone else who’s actually trained for it.

And you know, back in the day, we, we had people that when they came in to actually do business, they had capital behind them rather than a limited budget that basically be a drop in the water

Speaker 1 (37m 37s): Sometimes. Sometimes you had upstarts though, and some of the upstarts did very well.

Speaker 2 (37m 42s): Yeah. And they did. I think the, the, the key thing, and this has happened in the past as it does now, and that the one thing that is lacked over the years is creativity. You know, yes you’ve got design and content marketing and seo, but if you get one company who does it, who’s a little bit creative and then everyone else steals it and reformats it and does the same process

Speaker 1 (38m 7s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (38m 8s): And you know, now people just kinda like, like I challenge anyone to find an adult company, for example, a webcam site. We’re more than 80% of the traffic comes from, for example, social media. Back in the day we didn’t really have social media as much.

Speaker 1 (38m 27s): Right, Right.

Speaker 2 (38m 28s): We worked really hard on, you know, you, you got traffic and we worked on analytics and we used it properly. Right. And we got people back onto, you know, the proper way of being able to build a site.

Speaker 1 (38m 44s): Yep.

Speaker 2 (38m 45s): Now you have people who call themselves experts who go out there like, you know, oh, social media is the way to go. And I’m like, my god, I have seen so many traffic overviews of multiple sites and every single one of them, when you look at social media, it is down to, of all of the traffic, whether it’s a million, you know, of hits or whatever like that, of all the traffic, less than, let’s say four to 8% of all of those companies are from social media.

If you take that number, you can break it down even more

Speaker 1 (39m 22s): Sure. By

Speaker 2 (39m 24s): To YouTube and all this kind of stuff. Right. Sure. But most of them are under 3% and you know, I can, I can think of like seven campsite right off the bat in the past two years, tried to rely solely on social media probably because it was free to them and they spent so much time, so much time on it. Sure. And some of them got some traffic, some of them’s very little, they spent massive amount of time or whatever.

And the, but the end of the day, the conversions simply weren’t air.

Speaker 1 (40m 0s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (40m 1s): And they had little impact on sales. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40m 4s): So some who were listening to the podcast have either just started or are gonna soon start their own website. What advice can you give them to do and what not to do?

Speaker 2 (40m 14s): Well, we were just talking about it. I mean, anyone who’s claiming that there to be an expert or promises you tons of traffic at little or no cost, well the reality is it does take effort and cost. Sure. You don’t think that it will, that it’s that it will happen. That then you’re gonna be disappointed in it and try not to rely upon, you know, free online software for things like SEO or for whatever Right. To solve all your problems because it, you, it only handles a certain amount of your website and it’s very limited.

Right. You know, and in, but you do need, and this goes back to what we talked about before. We need mentors and we need knowledgeable people that give advice and Right. And people have gotten away from doing that for looking for those mentors because they think that this piece of software, when they Google it, is gonna solve their problems. Sure. And if you’re shooting content, shoot what you enjoy and Right. And if not, then do your research. Shoot what your users want or will want learn it, study it and be willing to admit that you’re wrong and change, seek out a mentor if you can.

And they might be expensive, but the cost of you making mistakes is gonna be even higher. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41m 38s): And you know, mentors don’t always cost money. I mean

Speaker 2 (41m 42s): Yeah, that’s true.

Speaker 1 (41m 43s): You know, my mentor, my, and he’s the one who introduced me to you when I first started in the industry, and I consider you one as well because you were always very helpful, helpful with your advice was Bob Rice. And, and I know Bob’s name isn’t necessarily positive to everyone. Me, Hey,

Speaker 2 (42m 0s): You and I have the same mentor.

Speaker 1 (42m 2s): Yeah. Oh, okay. Well Bob’s name might not be positive to everyone who’s listening because of some things a company he was associated with did at the end. I

Speaker 2 (42m 11s): I, I’ve, I’ve learned that recently too.

Speaker 1 (42m 13s): Yeah. But at the same time, I think Bob walks on water. He’s one of the smartest guys I’ve ever met in this industry. And he really gave me, well, more than once he actually got me started, not only in the industry, he had a, I think it was in, was an audio or a video, a program that talked about starting a site. And I wish I had taken more of the advice cuz when I got it, I was already far down the road and then made a lot of mistakes.

But then Bob was instrumental in me getting into the website brokering. So I’ve got, because he was doing it at one time. So I’ve got a lot of, really a lot to thank Bob for. So, you know, mentors aren’t, don’t always cost money sometimes and quite often. Yeah. It’s just somebody that you meet at a show or you connect with on ex biz, which I think is, is really the biggest, most valuable tool of that type of platform is to ask questions.

And you can ask questions of the community on X business. That’s one of the things I love about it cuz I’m always there to answer the questions. You’re always there to answer the questions. Mark’s always there to answer the questions, the regulars, and unfortunately we’re down to just the regulars, Steve from Groupy is always very giving with this time. The people who are the regulars will answer questions if you ask them. And if you reach out to them and send them a private message, people are more than happy to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (43m 45s): Yeah. And, but that’s what I’m saying is that we need the mentors and Yeah. Do you

Speaker 1 (43m 51s): Think they’re out there? I still think there,

Speaker 2 (43m 52s): There, there are people out there who, when they make suggestions, sometimes they make suggestions that are not necessarily in the best interest.

Speaker 1 (44m 2s): Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (44m 4s): Yeah. Okay. And, and for example, if you remember the days, you know, or it’s like, you know, Oh, who do you recommend to do this? Well, why don’t you use this company because you recommended that company because you get, let’s say 5%. Well,

Speaker 1 (44m 19s): Yeah. And that still, and that obviously still goes on, but I’ll tell you something, even in the case where I will get a referral fee or a commission from somebody and I don’t go out, go searching those out because I get offered them as I’m sure you do on a daily basis. And I, I turn away virtually every deal because Yeah. They, they want me, they wanna put me on commission because obviously I wear a mark, I wear the marketing hat too, and I tell that’s not what I do.

But if, if it’s a service that I believe is worthy, I will recommend them. But I’m not gonna recommend somebody just to make money. I’ll recommend them if I believe in them as I know you will. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45m 1s): I, I, I’ve never accepted any of those offers because my reasoning being is that if I accept that, then I will never, ever be able to give you 100% accuracy and truthfulness that my recommendation is true and the best it can be. And yes, it’s okay for you to check out somebody, but if you honestly think that maybe it might go somewhere else, then, then, okay,

Speaker 1 (45m 29s): Hey, I don’t think there’s, I don’t think there’s really anything wrong if you do believe in it to accept something, but I, but I, I can, Hey, you’re a better man than I am. And I, I haven’t really taken a lot of commissions from people. I mainly do it in the case of like processing and things like that where obviously out.

Speaker 2 (45m 48s): Yeah. It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do. That’s just me and what I do. Okay. Anybody, I mean, I’m not pointing fingers of anybody who does that. I’m just Well,

Speaker 1 (45m 57s): You better not. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45m 59s): So, okay, so getting back to the other, Okay, so we talked about seeking on a mentor. We talked about finding a trusted processing company, Find a good industry lawyer, please for God’s sakes, try not to use WordPress things for seo. If you’re gonna have pictures up and videos, don’t use numbers on them like 2, 3, 4, 2, 3 jpeg because Right.

Speaker 1 (46m 25s): You need

Speaker 2 (46m 26s): Can’t rank that and, and can’t collect that.

Speaker 1 (46m 30s): Why do you, by the way, why do you say not to use WordPress? Because I’m a, I’m a WordPress believer and I, my sites are in WordPress. Obviously I don’t have membership sites, but why do you say not to use WordPress?

Speaker 2 (46m 44s): There are at times, and Mark would jump in on, on this one as well. There are at times when it comes to programming and or various other things, even with seo right? That it’s more difficult working with WordPress than creating a different site. Also, there are certain security things that can happen with WordPress that doesn’t happen with other sites. Now I know that Brad at Mojo and all that can create some certain security, but I’ve seen more breaches happen on WordPress and problems happening with WordPress and I have

Speaker 1 (47m 21s): With, Oh, Don, I know. Yeah, I know there’s problems.

Speaker 2 (47m 23s): That’s, that’s all that I’m saying. You know, that’s, I don’t wanna get, I don’t bash them at all. I’m just, just saying my recommendation personally is, is for that. Okay. The other thing is never assume that your brilliant ideas groundbreaking because sure. Somebody has thought of it in the past and they failed and find out why. Yeah. Be flexible with your programmer on advice. Be gracious, uplifting on the webmaster boards.

Don’t get into a pissing match, but finally is read, read and read more strong wise leadership and, and you should be able to go far.

Speaker 1 (48m 5s): Now, any general words of advice to people in the industry that you would give before we close out?

Speaker 2 (48m 11s): I would think in the industry, and this is gotta listen here, I’ve said this before, the industry is the only, and I’m gonna use the term army, okay? We’re the only army that shoots its own wounded. So we have to stop attacking one another. Yes. We have to start helping each other through, as I said, mentoring, but mostly support those in the battle for our rights.

Right. And be aware to fight all the attacks that are happening for the government society. Yes. From owners to models. Everyone did. Yeah. Because if we’re, if we’re just constantly nailing one another, we’re missing out on who the, on what’s really attacking us.

Speaker 1 (48m 59s): Yeah. It’s a circular firing squad, isn’t it?

Speaker 2 (49m 2s): Yeah. And so that would be my only advice to the industry is, you know, like we literally are one of the only armies that shoot its own wounded.

Speaker 1 (49m 13s): That’s funny. But it’s unfortunately it’s true. Hey Rob, I’d like to thank you for being our guest again today on Adult Site Broker talk, and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (49m 24s): I hope so too. And thank you so much, Bruce, for the opportunity and also for giving of your time and, and expertise in mentoring other people through just the podcast. I appreciate all that you’re doing as well and it’s a pleasure every time to be here.

Speaker 1 (49m 40s): Thank you, Ron. My broker tip today is part seven of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later. Last week we talked about trademarking your site and ways to make it unique. Next, when you decide to sell your site, make sure you have the following information available for potential buyers. Detailed information about your company, your website, and any other aspects of your operation that potential buyers may wanna find out about. This should include for a pay site, a detailed inventory of your content, number of images and number of videos, how much of it is exclusive and how much is non exclusive financial information for at least the last three years if your company is that old.

This should include sales reports, profit and loss statements, and billing reports. Get all the information organized and legible format that a good broker can use to sell your property. If you decide to sell it yourself. Organize a list of potential buyers and start the process of contacting them. Be realistic about what your company is worth in today’s market. The kiss of death is overpricing your property. Is there anything a potential buyer needs to know, such as are you being sued?

Do you have any substantial debts or anything else? Don’t let these things be a surprise to the potential buyer. They’ll either find out before the sale and not buy, or they’ll find out after the sale and you’ll have another lawsuit on your hands. Disclose everything. We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with Jay Kopita of Why not. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest, Robert Warren.

Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Kole Snodgrass of Full Swap Radio.

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Speaker 2 (2m 53s): Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (2m 56s): I appreciate your time now, Cole and miss Amanda, like to joke, they are the longest one night stand you’re ever gonna meet. They met in college in 1992. You’re young. You guessed it on a one night stand and they’ve been together ever since they’ve been in the lifestyle for five years. During those five years, they witnessed a gradual change with more lifestyle people starting Facebook groups. It seemed like more cliques were forming. It felt like if you weren’t one of the cool kids, then your experience in the lifestyle lifestyle suffered.

They also witnessed how hard it was for new couples and individuals to be accepted with established groups and clubs. So in March of 2017, crazy Cosmo was born. Did I say that? Right? Like the song you did. Okay, good, good. That a lot of phonetic stuff in, in this script also born that day was the concept of swinging with attitude. Change is never easy and this change has been no different since that first night crazy Kaba has grown to include eight different Facebook pages, multiple chat groups, a radio showed called crazy truth, and that’s with a K and SBAs rans podcast, full swap shop merchandise store and their online radio station, full swap radio.

Their podcasts have a dedicated audience and now have over 85,000 followers. Their goal is to push for a safer, more inclusive lifestyle for everyone. So did you like your commercial Cole?

Speaker 2 (4m 27s): I did. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 (4m 28s): I, I do

Speaker 2 (4m 29s): Love best. I, that was great.

Speaker 1 (4m 30s): I do my best. So Cole, what caused you to go from lifestyle participant to creating your own company?

Speaker 2 (4m 39s): I’m a, I’m a realist. And at the time I was, I was in the professional real world. I was a car salesman and in a car business. And so my time was exceedingly valuable. Yeah. And what would happen is we would go to these events. We would go to meet and greets and go to things. And there was just so much shenanigan, so much fluff, so much clickiness. It was like, this is, this is, people are making this way too difficult.

And it was just like, you know what? I’m, I’m a person that I’m a doer. I see something let’s solve it. And I, a lot of people can tell you the stories of me going, you know, if a guy was smart, he would start his own page. And finally just reached that boiling point where it was like, you know what? This is, this is stupid. This, this is not the way this should be. And on the odds of March, we started crazy CA I miss Amanda woke up the next morning and went, I’m an admin of what?

And way we went.

Speaker 1 (5m 41s): Yeah. Interesting. So you weren’t really in the lifestyle too long before you did this, right?

Speaker 2 (5m 49s): Not really. I mean, we, we, we, we’d only been in about five years and, and at that point, so we had seen things and we had gotten,

Speaker 1 (5m 56s): So you had been in it five years before you started it.

Speaker 2 (5m 59s): Right.

Speaker 1 (5m 60s): Okay. Okay. Got it.

Speaker 2 (6m 2s): So, but we were still, you know, anytime you say, you think you’ve seen it all experienced it all, you’ll be proven wrong. And, and really right. Even five years in is still kind of newbies to a degree, but sure. We had seen this and we’d seen enough. And it was like, you could still, you knew what it felt like to be new. We were still new enough, those feelings of trying to break in those circles and those clicks and those groups, we could see what could be. And I, I could see how much better it could be and what the Midwest was lacking.

And so the joke was that I just wanted to take over the world and a way we went and we’ve never looked back

Speaker 1 (6m 39s): Now, you’re in Nebraska of all places. It’s, you know, I mean, maybe it’s a being, being a California, and now I live in Thailand. So that’s all screwed up. But talk about preconceptions. If you think about, think about the adult industry, think about the lifestyle, and then you think about Nebraska. So how, how do those mesh

Speaker 2 (7m 5s): Well, and, and honestly, that’s, they didn’t, and, and that was really part of the problem is that, you know, the, the Midwest is so such a flyover, flyover states, Nebraska is a flyover state. And so you didn’t hear there wasn’t

Speaker 1 (7m 22s): You said, you said it. I didn’t.

Speaker 2 (7m 24s): Yeah. Yep. Trust me. I’ve apologized many times for the things I’ve said about states, but we didn’t hear about the big events on the coast cuz people didn’t, people don’t understand that demographically, a state like Nebraska, we have the most billionaires of any state in the union. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (7m 43s): You’ve

Speaker 2 (7m 43s): Got a lot, you know, our people, they may buy combines, but they pay a million dollars in cash for those combines. And when they’re not farming, they’re going cruises and all kinds of stuff. So we were kind of just left in the lurch and sure. Part of what we, what I, what we have done is we have built the fact that we’re not flyover anymore. You’re not gonna get through the Midwest without seeing us.

Speaker 1 (8m 10s): Yeah. And

Speaker 2 (8m 11s): Our events. And we laugh all the time that if we had lived on the east or the west coast, I’d probably be closer to my goal of taking over the world actually.

Speaker 1 (8m 24s): So tell me about the podcast. Actually, you got more than one, but who have been some of your favorite guests so far and why?

Speaker 2 (8m 33s): You know, so the podcast, there’s so many different types of shows out there. And as we’ve looked at, we, we wanted, we made every mistake you could make as, as a new couple in the lifestyle, of course. And so we wanted our show to be one that was really an added value. And to be honest with you, we really haven’t, we haven’t done done very many interviews, had to interview people on our show because our show has been completely listener driven.

So we answer questions from our that we get sent to us, emailed into us, mailed into us, come to us on our, some of our Facebook groups. And it’s been a, an incredible experience because when you get the response from the folks that ask you the questions, they listen to the show and they go, you’ve changed my life.

Speaker 1 (9m 25s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (9m 26s): That is without a doubt at just a, a tremendous feeling. And, and you know, our, show’s not the biggest show out there. I’m sure we could be bigger if we told more sex stories and did some other things. That’s just not our gig. We try to keep it pretty. I can be opinionated. People who know me will find that hard to believe. So we try, we try to keep that separate. And that’s where, that’s where then SBAs rants came up, which is my own show where I have no adult supervision. And again, we’re, I’m, I’m tackling issues in the lifestyle.

And when we have people come up and go, wow, I felt like this show was, this episode was written specifically for me. And I’m really gonna change, or I’ve made changes because of it. That’s the greatest feeling in the world.

Speaker 1 (10m 10s): Yeah. Definitely with the call in format and sorry for my ignorance, obviously I, I, I, I haven’t listened, but so how has that gone?

Speaker 2 (10m 22s): So I I’m gonna backtrack cuz it ties in with the whole thing. There’s always a method to my madness, our, our logos. And you’ll, you’ll see our logos on everything has the middle finger that’s hence the, the swinging with an attitude. And it was, it was really funny when we started our show. When we first started out, anytime you do something different, you attract haters. It is what it is. Oh sure. And, and when you, you rock the status quo, you’re gonna have haters. And of course we start all, every one of our podcasts, pod podcasts, excuse me, start off with me going, Hey, you crazy motherfuckers, welcome to another edition of crazy truth.

We were getting called. You can go back several years and find on Twitter where people were calling us shock jocks. You can’t say those things. You can’t be that’s insulting. What it was is that let’s face it. We’ve all been in situations where we’re just fed up tired, pissed off, whatever you wanna say. And we just kind of wanna say bucket it. I mean, it’s a horrible way to put it, but it, you know,

Speaker 1 (11m 25s): No, it’s the way it is. That’s that’s my vocabulary.

Speaker 2 (11m 29s): Yeah. Well it, it really is. And, and sometimes, you know, you, flowery language is beautiful, but sometimes you have to break things down to the most basic common denominator. And what we found was with the show and, and with everything we’ve done is the people we were told on a national level, this will never fly, blah, blah, blah. What we found is the people just needed a pied Piper. They needed somebody who was willing to stand in front of the crowd and go, don’t be afraid. Follow me.

Let’s go stand your ground. And, and, and, and that’s been with the show with, with everything we’ve resisted the urges to, to switch to more of a, I’ll call it a penthouse forum concept. You know, we’ve just, we blaze our own trail and that’s, everybody wants to do that. They need somebody that can say the things that they want to say. Sure. But maybe they don’t have the courage to say or don’t feel like they can say, and that’s what we come in.

Speaker 1 (12m 27s): Sure. So, so far, what do you feel your biggest accomplishment with your business is in the lifestyle?

Speaker 2 (12m 35s): Really? Honestly, I think Ms. Mann and I both feel like it, it’s just the, the amount of, of impact we have had on people’s lives. Every single day. We are honored and privileged to get emails from people, thanking us for talking about the things that, the true questions that they had or talking about the things nobody else has giving them honest advice, whether it’s what they want to hear sometimes or not.

We have that interaction has been tremendous. And really I’ll tell you the number one, the number one. And this goes with our episode, best episode that we’ve done still our most popular we had, I had a testicular cancer and it was, it was, it was a weird situation. I was fine on one Sunday. And on the following Saturday, I was having a testicle removed

Speaker 1 (13m 33s): For shit.

Speaker 2 (13m 34s): And it was case number 121 in the world ever. My, my nut is famous. Boom, the, the Sunday after

Speaker 1 (13m 44s): I, you got that’s what you got that going for you.

Speaker 2 (13m 46s): Yeah. Yeah. And I’m totally fine. And, and, but the Sunday, after the, after we had it removed on Saturday, the following day, we recorded a show and we did a couple of shows about men’s health and, and about, Hey, you know, being tested. My urologist is now a fan of our show. We still have people come up and say, you know, I, I had my cuz testicular cancers generally at a younger man’s situation, walk up and say, Hey, we’ve had, we had our kids listen to it.

Our sons about checking themselves and other men have come and said, Hey, we’ve went in now and got checked. And it saved me. They, they found prostate cancer early because of it, when you can do that is a business and have fun. That’s a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (14m 33s): Yeah, no, it definitely is. It definitely is. And I’m, I’m sure glad you’re okay. Now you initially had some frustrations about the lifestyle. Do you think, do you think things have gotten better or have they gotten worse?

Speaker 2 (14m 48s): I truly, we feel like it, it it’s, they’re moving in the right direction. I think there are some areas that are just going to require continuous preaching, basically continuous revisiting. I think there are things that, that we can all do as members of the community in the lifestyle and as participants to make it better. But I, but I think it takes work. And I think that we have to continuously be diligent in our efforts to achieve those goals.

I mean, we, we pushed things like consent. We, we pushed, we’ve teamed up with different people like nightcaps, for example, for safety at parties to, to stop this damn spiking of drinks that happens at events, you know, we push security at our events. Sure. A raising of the bar of what the expectation is in the lifestyle is necessary. It’s, it’s starting to happen slowly. There’s a long way to go. Right. And, and, and I have to put in there right now with the current environment of the world that we live in.

I think that it is important that we help the rest of the world, understand the difference between the stereotypical swingers, which is obviously false and narrative, as we all know, right. To what really is the lifestyle and, and part of that’s how we behave and what we do. So I think it’s moving in the right direction, but it’s, it’s a constant effort and there’s no, there’s not an end date, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (16m 24s): Yeah, totally. Now it, it seems from our conversations, like you’re looking at getting both lifestyle and adult businesses to advertise as well as mainstream companies. Why is that?

Speaker 2 (16m 37s): Well, so our philosophy, okay. So obviously being in Nebraska, I grew up in Omaha, which is Warren buffet. The Oracle of Omaha lives in Nebraska. And, and so I’ve been surrounded by that concept, the Berkshire Hathaway concept, my entire life. And, and, and quite honestly, there’s a, there’s a misnomer out there that adult businesses or lifestyle businesses need to operate under some sort of unique system because they’re adult businesses. And the reality of it is, is that until adult businesses are listed in the top 100 and top 50 corporations of the world, I think the regular business model actually is, is very effective and needs to be applied.

Right? I am firm believer that when you look at the demographics of the lifestyle of the swinging community, it is a company’s dream target audience, 35 to 55, $180,000, average household income income. They own their own homes. You know, this is a target market. Yes. But our job is we have to educate them that being the, the vanilla world to let them know that, Hey, look, just because our hobby is different, your hobby might be golf.

My hobby might be a little bit different. You know what? I still buy grills. I still wear jeans. I still sure we’re still people. And, and I truly believe as we break that barrier down and, and we show vanilla manufacturers and vanilla companies, the value of advertising and working with adult companies, quality adult companies, it’s going to open up more sponsorship dollars for events,

Speaker 1 (18m 19s): Right?

Speaker 2 (18m 20s): I mean, let’s face it, you know, at, at this point in time, there’s only so many lifestyle companies that can sponsor big lifestyle events or B sponsors. There’s a limited amount of dollars, but sure. If all of a sudden you can open up and Coca-Cola, for example, could be a sponsor. Well, that’s gonna improve the quality of the lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (18m 38s): And

Speaker 2 (18m 38s): I just think it will, it will cause the businesses within the lifestyle to raise their games, to meet the expectations of the regular corporate America as well.

Speaker 1 (18m 47s): Yeah. And, you know, corporate America has, has avoided the adult industry, like the plague and including the lifestyle, Obviously the recent barrage of right wing religious attacks on adult with the help of media outlets. Like the New York times was subscription. I canceled when they went after mine geek. Yep.

You know, I mean, I vote with my money. What can I say? But it’s interesting because if you would asked 20 years ago, if I ever thought that mainstream companies would invest dollars in the L G B T community, which is now L G T Q plus, I would’ve said, you’re crazy now they, can’t not, I wonder what it’s gonna take to get them to invest in adult.

Speaker 2 (19m 47s): Well, and you know, and, and I think that’s a, I think you, you, you put an interesting question there. And I, I think that just like every other aspect of the lifestyle, it’s about education. If, if we can show an adult or vanilla company, let let’s say a bar, for example, if we can go and show that that bar, how, Hey, look, people are gonna walk in with S screaming, worse, swingers, worse, swingers, and chase your patrons away. They’re not going to come in and try to have sex with every person they see any, any different than any other vanilla person would at a bar, you know?

Right. They’re, they’re actually gonna be very low key they’re whatever, but they’ll spend more money and they can actually see, wait a minute, that image that we’ve seen on TV, that’s, that’s a stereotype. That’s not real

Speaker 1 (20m 35s): Sure. And,

Speaker 2 (20m 36s): And I think as we educate, and the other thing is, I believe with the right wing things going on in the world right now, this, the lifestyle community is going to, to be in need of, of partners. And because at some point in time, the problem with zealots is that they eventually will turn on you too. And we’re not, as, we’re not as big as at, you know, what do they say, 12 to 15 million lifestyle people in the us.

And you know, we’re gonna need companies to go now, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on a second here. We’re, we’re gonna need partners. And I think that’s gonna be very, very important.

Speaker 1 (21m 18s): Now in recent years, it seems the lifestyle is integrated a lot with the rest of the adult industry. Why do you think that is? And do you think there’s room for more cooperation between the two?

Speaker 2 (21m 30s): You know, I think that with the, with the improvement in things like cell phones and, and things like that, you know, and, and we do it as well. Miss Amanda has an only fan’s account and, and, you know, the ability to, to shoot content, you know, now everybody has a phone. Everybody thinks they’re of, you know, they’re they’re movie makers. So there’s the ability to, to produce some of the things are there. And I think people see the potential for the dollar signs to be there. Sure.

I think that there is a lot of room for cooperation and part of it is, you know, the adult community has the adult world and, and, and has a lot of experience and education that I think some of the amateurs, some of the swingers that go, Hey, I wanna do porn. I want to, I wanna do only fans. They can provide a lot of insight going, okay, you need to think about this a little bit and Hey, you need to hear here’s the rules you need to follow. I, I almost think it can be like a mentoring process with it.

And, and honestly, I, the return factor is I think that a lot of the people in the, the lifestyle love the opportunity to get to meet their, the let’s face it porn is, is, is at lifestyle events. It’s obviously part of it, the chance to get, to meet their, the people they’re fans of and to talk to ’em. And I just think there’s a lot of room there. And I think that if it’s done correctly, I think that it can be a great relationship, you know? And, and I also think there’s a degree that we need the adult community to be willing, to help educate little miss housewife and hubby that think they’re gonna make some extra money and put some dirty videos out there of the, the, the bigger picture.

Right. Because, you know, just because you, you show, you show your body doesn’t mean you’re gonna be rich overnight. It doesn’t work that way. Right. So I, I definitely think they, they can help. And I think a lot of the people in the adult community enjoy the lifestyle and if we can make it so they can attend events and not be mobbed, that they can be just people. Also, I think that’s a plus as well.

Speaker 1 (23m 40s): Sure. Now you alluded to Ms. Amanda doing only fans, is that, is that the extent of the adult work she’s doing

Speaker 2 (23m 50s): It? It’s the starting point she has. She has decided to go ahead and, and, and she wants to do more. And that’s something that we’re, that we’re working on. We’re learning. It’s, it’s funny because, you know, we talk about, we believe there’s a window, you know, we’re both, I just turned, I turned 50 in a month and she’s 51. And she’s like, you know, there you go. There’s a, there’s a window here. And, and part of it is the confidence, you know, 20 years ago there, if you, I would’ve bet every penny I ever would have in my life that there’s no way she would ever do adult anything, but the, the lifestyle and the confidence and, and she enjoys it.

That’s, it’s a boost. Her, it’s a, she enjoys it. And quite honestly, it’s something that a lot of our, our folks really wanna see. And so we’re, we’re about please in the crowds and she’s having a good time, so we wanna keep it going. And, and we’re talking to some folks on the adult side that can kind of help guide us because there’s a whole lot of things we don’t know, but we’re trying to learn and things that we can bring back to help the other people in the Midwest, you know, on the coast, there’s there, there’s groups meeting, Hey, let’s put content together and whatever the Midwest doesn’t have that.

And so we’re as SVA. We’re trying to create that for them, but we wanna be able to do it in a way that we can make sure that we help people do it the right way that they’re safe and they’re smart and, and whatever. So sure. We’re learning with everybody else. And we’re having a lot of fun in the process.

Speaker 1 (25m 12s): There’s a website, adult model mentors that deals with a lot of that subject matter that she should take a look at. And you guys should probably partner with, if, if a lot of your people are, are starting to get into the only fans type of site. So certainly I can make that introduction for you. I would love that the owner, the owners have been on, on the podcast before go figure, right. So why did you decide to start the radio station?

And how’s it going so far?

Speaker 2 (25m 47s): There is it’s the, the basic concept. One person yelling is loud. 50 people yelling. The same thing is louder. And there is when you look into the adult alternative and, and sex positive lifestyles in, in that genre on the podcast, there’s a lot of noise, you know, there’s, there’s literally hundreds of podcasts. Some of them, a lot of them are folks that are doing as hobbies. Some are taking

Speaker 1 (26m 15s): More like more like hundreds of thousands actually. Yeah. Not millions.

Speaker 2 (26m 20s): Yeah. And, and you get lost. And again, we did everything you could do wrong when we started our podcast also. So I mean, you know, we, we learned the hard way, but I wanted to have a place that all of us were yelling the same thing together. But I also wanted something because again, education is a huge aspect for us. I have said for years and years, I believe that all the different parts of the lifestyle BDSM, the gangsters, naturalists, you know, swingers, polyamory, we’re all on the same tree.

We’re just different branches. And really, there’s not that much difference between us. We feel like there’s until we start communicating and talking and come to find out, there’s a lot of similarities. Sure. I wanted a place that people could go and listen. And if they had interest in, in poly, they could listen to shows about poly. They had swingers, you know, we have, or erotica or, or whatever the case may be. And that was where the radio station came in. Sure. In, in a perfect world, I would love someday to take.

And because I’m old. So, you know, downloads, my kids had to explain, but you’re

Speaker 1 (27m 30s): Not.

Speaker 2 (27m 33s): I feel like my kids remind kids.

Speaker 1 (27m 34s): I’m 65 in October, bro. So

Speaker 2 (27m 40s): Now I can’t use I’m old stop man though. No,

Speaker 1 (27m 43s): You can’t sorry.

Speaker 2 (27m 44s): My, my kid, my kid, you thought I was 110. They’re like, dad, why are you touching a computer? Yeah. But you know, we have found a lot of people, Hey, you know, their favorite show. They, they love our show. Well, then they have stuck around and they listened to what’s on before and after. And all of a sudden they’re finding, Hey, here’s this show. I never knew anything about, well, you know what? I have interest in cut holding. Like, that’s an example. You know, we have green cut holds podcast on there, or, you know, learn more about poly. So in the grand scheme of things, the perfect world is someday to take.

And you, instead of needing pod bean and, and the rest of ’em, that you’re gonna be able to go and find everything you want. And you’re gonna wanna have the radio station going all day long. That’s the goal we threw into the mix. We have vanilla Sunday. So our shows on Sundays are just regular shows.

Speaker 1 (28m 35s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (28m 35s): And we did that such

Speaker 1 (28m 37s): As such as

Speaker 2 (28m 39s): The traveler barefoot traveler is on there. We have malice is on there. We have no show those five guys. That’s, that’s awesome. Just we have everything from a health wellness show, travel show, sports show, crime mystery show, a SIM movie reviewing show, just regular shows.

Speaker 1 (29m 1s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (29m 3s): And, and again, it, it takes courage for some of those shows to come on this station, but it’s again, to prove that point of, Hey, look,

Speaker 1 (29m 12s): Crossover. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29m 14s): We’re all still people,

Speaker 1 (29m 15s): Right? Sure. Absolutely. Do you ever feel like Kaba Inc has too many moving parts? You like laughs.

Speaker 2 (29m 26s): It is a great time that you asked me that question because we have our crazy summer nights event coming up August 5th through the seventh, which is my birthday weekend and one of our three big national events. So yes, There are times we’ve got our fingers in an awful lot of, of different places and it can, it can seem overwhelming. Right. And yet when I’ve looked at and we’ve talked about, you know, where do we wanna pull back? There’s nowhere that I want to, we wanna pull out of.

And so now the focus has been more on how we can grow the internal organization to better handle the growth of all the external components. Right. And which is a challenge it’s, I’m kind of a control freak. So that’s a learning curve a little bit for me, but we just, you

Speaker 1 (30m 18s): Know it.

Speaker 2 (30m 19s): Yeah. Yeah. I’m willing to embed it. And if I’m not willing to admit it, Amanda, after 30 years will happily tell it to me. Yes. But there’s just, there’s not a place that we go, you know, we don’t enjoy doing this aspect anymore. So the biggest thing I get now is I do get the miss. Amanda actually owns CAS bank. She’s the, she’s the CEO of the company. So I, I am on a leash a little bit that if I come up with other things I do now have to, I’m not allowed to just surprise her with that.

I do now have to check it with her before I make announcements of, oh, by the way,

Speaker 1 (30m 55s): Gotta check with the head office. Good job. Good job. Keep, keep some marriage going. Right. Very much so. And I should give the standard, disclaimer, since you mentioned event an event in August that will have passed by the time this runs, but that’s okay. I’m sure. I’m sure it will go well. So be besides the song, what does Kaba mean or stand for?

Speaker 2 (31m 19s): So we, we, for a long time, we wouldn’t tell anybody. And the way that the, the name came about, the way crazy Kaba came about is we were, we had used Kaba as our username when we first got in the lifestyle for like some of the websites we were on. Right. And we would go to party in an Iowa and they’re like, oh, the crazy couple from Nebraska’s coming. That’s crazy

Speaker 1 (31m 44s): Camo again. I’m just, I’m just, I’m just trying to get this visual of, of, of lifestyle parties in Iowa. But anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (31m 52s): So the funny thing is we, we ran contests for years. We wouldn’t tell anybody for years what camo meant, just, and, and the guess is that people had, were, were amazing. But actually what Kaba means, Kaba stands for Cole, Amanda, Sebastian bra, and Holden. So it’s actually us and our kids.

Speaker 1 (32m 14s): Nice. So

Speaker 2 (32m 15s): We had used it for our email for years and years before we ever gotten a lifestyle. Right. Our kids are all grown and, and our kids know what we do, but as when they were going through that stage, it was like, okay, well, here’s something really important to remember when you’re, you know, clicking on websites and whatnot. If it says CSBA, I probably wouldn’t open it. Just

Speaker 1 (32m 38s): There you go. And you know, and now that, that brings about a question when you’re in the lifestyle, it, it can be kind of sensitive. Sometimes. Has, have you shared this with, with your entire family?

Speaker 2 (32m 55s): Yes, actually. So we are completely out. We’re completely out. Okay. Our, our, the way our, our kids found out our oldest one was already had already graduated from high school and our middle one was a senior in high school. And when we first started, we used to cam on, on, on adult friend finder every night, we, every night we cam for we’d have sex for an hour and then talk for three hours. We had a show. It was like a precursor to where we’re at now. And then we would shut the computer down at night. Well, it didn’t shut down one night.

So the next morning our middle one got up to go to school to check his Facebook and put up in there as a picture of his mom. You couldn’t see her head, but you could see a butterfly tattoo that she has, that he designed. It’s like time to chat. So for a lot of years they knew whatever. And that was fine. Two years ago, my mom and dad were at our house for Christmas and, and we have a studio in our house and we had kind of blocked off. We just moved and mom started poking around and, and didn’t say much, but we would always go on Christmas morning.

There was a casino in the one. They always did the big buffet things, you know? Yeah. And we were standing in line and all of a sudden we’re standing there and my brother and his family are there. And my mom and dad and our kids, and this guy comes running up and she goes, oh my God, it’s you guys, it’s you? Oh my God. And gives us a big hug. She’s a waitress, takes pictures with us and goes away. And so of course my family’s looking at us like, you know, and we’re just like, you don’t really know what to say.

It’s like, well, yeah, I think we’ve met her somewhere. You know, you’re just kind of, kind of come excuses. We go and we sit down to eat and all of a sudden she went and told another staff member who was also on our page.

Speaker 1 (34m 45s): Oh, geez. Who

Speaker 2 (34m 46s): Comes running up and asks us to sign some stuff.

Speaker 1 (34m 50s): Oh

Speaker 2 (34m 50s): No. And get pictures with us. And it’s like, okay. It’s like, be careful. What do you really wanna know? Be careful what you ask. And oh, they kind of wanna know. So we, we kind of danced around the subject a little bit. We didn’t explain the magnitude of it. The following month was our crazy winter nights. And it was our largest crazy winter nights that we’d had at that point and had a thousand people. And they had come up, they went up past where the hotel was and there was all these signs and they saw Kaba. And so then it’s like, okay, what is going on?

It’s like, all right. Time to be just laid all out there. And so we did. And so we just laid it all out there. It’s interesting explaining, trying to explain to your parents, you know, polyamory. I mean, there, every stereotype they’re hitting, but you know, my brother, my brother he’s older. He has questions, but he just kinda, he wants to ask, but he really doesn’t every now and then my mom, actually, we she’ll ask all the time how the events are going. And she was in the hospital this last year.

My dad had passed away and was in the hospital with broken hip. And we put out on the page and a whole bunch of our members sent her get well cards and Christmas cards. Oh. And my mom is just, she has fallen in love with our group, you know, on I, these people are, and she’s really opened her mom.

Speaker 1 (36m 9s): They are. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36m 10s): Yeah. So we had to tell her, don’t tell people, let’s not try to cuz you’re not gonna explain it quite. Right. So just right. But you know,

Speaker 1 (36m 17s): She has, she has a new family. That’s awesome. Yeah. So what’s the biggest misunderstanding about the lifestyle to people who don’t participate in it,

Speaker 2 (36m 28s): What we find. And it’s really funny cuz it’s still the, it, it, it hasn’t changed. It’s that misconception, that one you are, that everything is just a, a, a key party, basically that anytime that you’re with anybody else from the lifestyle, you’re having sex with them, it doesn’t matter who it is. You’re going to have sex with all of them. And it’s just like, they, they just, they don’t understand that that is so far from the truth. I, again, and it’s not their fault.

You can’t, all they’ve ever seen is, you know, key parties or, or that type or those stereotype

Speaker 1 (37m 5s): What’s things. That’s a, that’s a, that’s not a term I’m familiar with.

Speaker 2 (37m 10s): So know key parties.

Speaker 1 (37m 12s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37m 13s): So, so the, the old key parties where they, everybody go to an event and put their house keys or their car keys and a fishbowl. And at the end of the night, the guys would draw keys out. And whoever’s keys. You got that’s who you went and had sex with. I mean, you know, this is like 70 stuff. You know, this kinda stuff would no more happen to the man on the moon now, But there there’s just that people are blown away when they finally ask us. And we tell ’em about things like our Kaba cares program, where, you know, we’ve given away almost $50,000 to lifestyle families and people in need, they’re blown away.

It just doesn’t fit because they’re like, but you have sex with just anybody and everybody it’s like, no, that’s, that’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works. Right. That’s the part that we’re, if we can ever get people over that businesses and regular people, the lifestyle, won’t be such a scary thing.

Speaker 1 (38m 8s): Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that, and not being a person who’s involved, so I can’t speak totally articulate about it, but knowing enough people who are in the lifestyle and knowing people who organize events in the lifestyle, I’ve got one friend who organizes very high end events in the lifestyle. I, I have enough knowledge to, to say that really more than anything else, they’re social events.

Yes. Where people might have sex,

Speaker 2 (38m 46s): That’s putting it beautifully because that’s exactly what it is that reaches a point that as we age and, and everything else, you know, the, the sex drive changes and, and the whole nine yards. But I can honestly say that for miss Amanda and I, and, and for a lot of people there will reach a point where we won’t play anymore.

Speaker 1 (39m 5s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39m 6s): But we’ll never leave the

Speaker 1 (39m 7s): Lifestyle. And, and by, and by play to, to give people the meaning of that, that means have sex.

Speaker 2 (39m 13s): Right? Yeah. We, we won’t, we won’t have, we won’t have hookups with, with other couples or it would be very, very rare, but we will never leave the lifestyle because the friendships right. And, and that the ability to be relaxed. And there’s just, when we talk about community and, and I, and I apologize, cuz this is gonna sound, you know, there’s not really a, a pretty way to put it. So I’m gonna just put it in the simplistic terms for, to prove the point is then here’s the deal.

If I trust you enough to potentially have sex with my wife And you trust me enough to potentially have sex with your wife, don’t you think that our level of trust and relationship in the rest of our lives is probably a little bit more than, than the average people out on the street? Oh yeah. It takes a different thing. So yeah, the way that I, that I show this is there was a couple in a small town in the Midwest they’ve lived there the whole life. He was paralyzed from a, an accident that he’d had years before he’s worked at the same company for day.

She’s worked in the company forever and day. He was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Okay. They did all the typical, small town, small community fundraisers, which is beautiful young people doing big sales selling. T-shirts all of those things that community raised for them somewhere. It was like eight to $900. Okay. We got involved cuz they were on our page and in one weekend we raised $10,000 for them.

Speaker 1 (40m 49s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (40m 50s): That’s the difference between community, you know, regular list, life, community, community,

Speaker 1 (40m 58s): Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40m 59s): A shared bond and, and that

Speaker 1 (41m 0s): Lifestyle, lifestyle community. Yeah. And it’s, it’s strong. It it’s a, it is, it definitely is very family like

Speaker 2 (41m 9s): Yes can be. And, and, and with any family, you know, you have, you have the occasional dysfunction. You have, you have the normal parts of society.

Speaker 1 (41m 17s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (41m 18s): But for the most part, there’s just a different level of trust and communication. That’s required to be successful in the lifestyle. You know, we had our car one time and, and some friends of ours in the lifestyle, let us loan just a car for three weeks.

Speaker 1 (41m 36s): Geez.

Speaker 2 (41m 37s): I, I mean, that’s just the level of, of you know, of relationships, so sure. It’s, it’s a beautiful thing. It can be

Speaker 1 (41m 45s): Absolutely. Now where do you, Seeba being in five years and where would you like to take it besides, besides rolling the world? Of course.

Speaker 2 (41m 56s): Yeah. Yeah. That, that goal has never went away completely. You know, where I see us and, and is, is to continue to be, I, I, it used to be, I only wanted to see us in front, but my vision has changed. We may be on the fringe. We may be in the middle. We may be in the front, but in five years from now, we will continue to be the loudest voice for positive change, for education, for consent, for testing, for safety and, and, and to a degree.

And this is gonna sound really weird. I, you know, I, I truly believe that we’ll be leading that’s, that’s what I’m all about is to, is continue to be that pied Piper, but we’re going to, no matter what, continue to be the thorn in the side that does not allow the lifestyle to become complacent and to go well, yeah, this is probably good enough, right. We have an obligation to take what we’ve done in the Midwest and take that same concept, that same energy and enthusiasm and, and change and have it spread across the world.

Quite honestly, it definitely from coast to coast. And, and that’s really what I think where we’ll continue to be. And, and hopefully the things like the radio stations that, that, you know, will be known as that company, 50 years from now, you know, when, when I’m long gone, when they go, those were the ones that, you know, they always pushed education and the lifestyles better because they kept pushing for growth.

Speaker 1 (43m 35s): Absolutely. If you’re not growing, you’re going backward. Right.

Speaker 2 (43m 39s): That’s right. Very much. So. Very much so.

Speaker 1 (43m 42s): Well, Cole, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today and adults, I broker talk and I hope a chance. I will have a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (43m 49s): Absolutely. Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to come on and, and talk. It is greatly appreciated. And, and I sincerely enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (43m 57s): Thank you. My broker tip today is part six of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, here’s more information on what to give to a potential buyer. Tell them how well has your content been protected from piracy and what steps have you taken to protect your content? Are you using a piracy take down or monitoring service? These are important facts to know what promotional tools do you offer your affiliates, the more tools you offer, the more successful they’ll be.

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And next week, we’ll be speaking with Robert Warren of 2much.net. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Kole Snodgrass. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Only $1.75 million. Now time for this week’s interview my guest today by popular demand on adult site. Broker talk is coral and jewel for the third time. Corallin thanks for being back with us today on adult site. Broker talk,

Speaker 2 (2m 33s): Thank you for having me back today. How are you?

Speaker 1 (2m 35s): I’m good. How you doing?

Speaker 2 (2m 37s): I’m good. Good.

Speaker 1 (2m 38s): Now Corallin is a number one international best selling author of the book when the ice melts the story of coral and jewel, as well as a working porn star, retired competitive athlete porn director, swing club owner. This is about where I usually run outta breath, fitness trainer, wedding planner, talent manager, voiceover actress, coach, and motivational speaker. And I’m sure I’ve probably missed a few now. Corland is the epitome of a strong, powerful female entrepreneur. Follow her coaching training session, speaking engagements and book signing schedule on her newly launched site, Corin jewel.com as well as social media.

Corallin also has a very popular podcast, the hanky hanky podcast, which I’ve actually been a guest on. You can find it at not surprisingly hanky Pany podcast.com and now she’s lead spokes model for a new adult social media platform. Pinter’s that’s spelled P I N X S T E R S. So I’m always tired after doing that bio.

Speaker 3 (3m 45s): I don’t blame you.

Speaker 1 (3m 47s): So, so Corland since publishing your book, what have you been up to the past couple years?

Speaker 3 (3m 53s): Oh, goodness. I mean all, everything that you just said, you know, I published my book. I’m about to really, I’m getting ready to publish a second book, right. Turning the first book into a documentary, and then let’s see. And then I’ve just been really focusing on building a new website and putting together my coaching packages and traveling and doing my seminars. I’m busy.

Speaker 1 (4m 14s): You’ve been traveling a lot too.

Speaker 3 (4m 16s): I have, I have, I went to the, for exotica last year and I’m scheduled to go to them again this year. Wow. I’ve just completed Chicago and Miami, I believe is next month. Let’s see. I’ve done. XBI gosh, I can’t even think XBI was just happened like two weeks ago. And then I was at X three, which is like part of the XBI and then right. I was at the Y not convention. So yes, I can’t remember where I’ve been traveling anymore.

Speaker 1 (4m 39s): Right. That doesn’t surprise me based on all the, based on all the, the travel you’ve been doing. And I should tell people we’re recording this at the end of may and it will be running a few months from now. Now tell us a little bit about your second book and when it will be available.

Speaker 3 (4m 57s): So, okay. So my first book, a lot of people would come to me and say they really enjoyed the first book, but they wished that I had put more detail regarding swinging and things that happened at the swingers club that I own. And then sometimes people would say to me, they wish there was more stories about the brothel or more stories about the, about porn. And so what I decided to do is each book is gonna now be a series. That’s gonna focus on just one aspect of the adult world. So this one is focusing on everything that I’ve experienced and seen as a participant in the swinger lifestyle community, as well as running my own community, which I started in 2012.

So it’s talking about everything from the good, the bad, the ugly, the lawsuits, the staff, all that kinda stuff.

Speaker 1 (5m 41s): Now tell me, I mean, you must be able to relate and maybe you can give us a little bit of a preview, some stories that, that you’ve experienced in, in this swinger’s lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (5m 56s): Okay. Well, so what I, what I try to do is when I’m coaching people, or when I’m doing my podcast or my articles or my book, it’s everything that I’m, you know, I want it to be an education. So it’s, it’s a learning. So I want people to learn and walk away with something. So, you know what I, the book talks about, I’ll give you an example, the book we’ll talk. One of the stories I talk about is a couple who they were constantly having fights at my events. And so they’ve been married 30 years and my security was constantly coming to me and saying, you know, Corland, we’ve got another argument that needs to be broken up and I’d have to go over there and, you know, ask them what the problem was and tell them to, you know, fast hold the drama until they got home.

And I finally told them that they were not welcome back at my events until they did a coaching session with me, cuz I had to get to the bottom of what the deal was. Wow. And after we had, we had six sessions, we had one together, two alone with each of them and then, you know, back together. And what I came to the conclusion was was that she was very shy. And so in order for her to come out of her shell, she would drink alcohol. And sometimes over-indulge in it where he was like Mr. Social butterfly, but he would push her and put her into positions that were uncomfortable. So they’d be in the jacuzzi and he’d say, oh, go ahead, go touch my wife, touch my wife.

And she’d say, please, don’t like, just do, don’t do that to me. Don’t give permission to touch me. And he’s like, oh, you like it, you like it. And so he realized what he was doing wrong and she realized it, you know, the overindulging. And so they both made an adjustment. And about six months later, they were at an event with me. We were sitting in the jacuzzi, hanging out and there was a couple sitting across from us. And the couple the girl was like, I’m brand new. I wanna ride your motor bunny Corland but I’m, you know, I don’t wanna do it with people around. And I said, no problem, when you’re ready, you know, I’ll go and I’ll show you how to use it privately. So as soon as she was ready, she says, okay, Colin, I’m ready. So the husband says everybody, my wife’s gonna go ride the motor buddy.

Let’s go watch her. And the other couple that I coached, looked at me and he goes, oh my God, he’s me and my wife’s her. And I go, exactly. That’s what you used to do. So, you know, I was a good learning lesson. So I, I put stories like that in my book, you know?

Speaker 1 (7m 58s): Wow. So the counseling obviously really helped.

Speaker 3 (8m 3s): Yes. Yeah. And they’re very happy. They’re very happy together. And that’s, I recommend counseling for almost anybody. Who’s either going to get involved in the lifestyle or if you’re in it, but you guys are already having issues, you know, then you need to, you need to get to the bottom of those quickly because it’s not supposed to be to save your marriage. That’s not what it’s there for. It’s supposed to enhance and add excitement, but you’ve gotta be careful cuz you’re playing with fire. If you don’t play the right way, you’ll get burned. So

Speaker 1 (8m 28s): Yeah. I mean, are there some people who get into the lifestyle who shouldn’t

Speaker 3 (8m 34s): Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, there’s people that get into the lifestyle because they think that this is the only way to save their marriage because you know, they, they either have cheated or have thoughts of cheating. There’s people that get into the lifestyle. A lot of the wrong reasons, you know, there’s so many wrong reasons, but then there’s right. Reasons too. But you’ve gotta know, you’ve gotta know how to navigate your way through. I just coached somebody today. Who’s interested him and his wife 14 years married. And so, you know, we, we go through the warning signs that they need to be, they need to know because when I got into the lifestyle and I’m ultimately a divorce because of it, my husband and I were married and we got involved in it and that’s because nobody taught us the wording signs and we didn’t really know the rules.

We didn’t know the etiquette. And so we screwed up.

Speaker 1 (9m 20s): Yeah. Do you, do you find often that one partner or another kind of pushes the other into it?

Speaker 3 (9m 30s): Yes, I do see that. Not, not so often. Okay. But it seems to be the couples that having are having the issues. Those seem to be the ones that when I get down to the bottom of it, the wife’s just doing it so that, you know, she’s to please her husband or vice versa. But also there’s so many different variations and aspects of being involved in the swinger lifestyle community. It’s not just about going and having sex with another couple or another person there’s, you know, there’s Vos and exhibitionist and stuff like that.

So that’s another thing that I teach couples is just because you wanna embark on this, that you, you might not know what you like and you, you’re not gonna know until, you know, fantasy meets reality. And if you don’t like what, you know, what that fantasy was, then maybe there’s something else in it for you. Like just the open-mindedness or something like that. So,

Speaker 1 (10m 20s): So do, do you find that a lot of people are like really surprised what they find when they, when they go to their first swingers party?

Speaker 3 (10m 29s): Yes. Yes. So especially depending on which you know, which, which, which event you’re going to, which part of your community, the, the misconception is that people really, really do feel like it’s an open free for all, you know, just couples going and there’s just people having sex everywhere. And that’s kind of what society’s made us think. And that’s why, you know, society downplays, swingers and lifestyles and such bad people, you know? Yeah. And the fact of the matter is the way I describe it is imagine that you’re going to a wedding and there’s DJ and there’s dancing and there’s decorations and there’s party favors and there’s catering, but then there just happens to be play rooms.

And if you wanna go and you know, be intimate and play, then you have the opportunity to go and do so.

Speaker 1 (11m 8s): Hmm. I mean, do a lot of people not partake in the sex part at all? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11m 12s): Yep. A lot of people don’t a lot of people, I think there’s, you know, I’ve got, I’ve got about 20,000, I think members in my community right now. And I would be comfortable to say maybe, you know, a little less than half don’t don’t don’t participate in anything sexual at the events. Sometimes people too, they just like to go and meet people there and then they take it to, you know, a private area like their hotel room or something. Sure.

Speaker 1 (11m 33s): Now, now what, what do you mean by your community? Are you talking about connected to your club?

Speaker 3 (11m 39s): Nope, I’m talking about, so over since I started my club in 2012, in order to attend an event, they must have a profile on my website and they must have a valid profile. Like they have to have a membership paid for, to it when they’re attending an event, if their membership runs out and they’re not attending an event, they still have access to the website. So over the course of, since 2012, there’s 20,000 app, 20,000 profiles are on my site. Wow.

Speaker 1 (12m 3s): That’s awesome.

Speaker 3 (12m 4s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12m 5s): So, so what was the reason you decided to do a documentary? I mean, maybe you can share a bit about it and when you expect it to be available.

Speaker 3 (12m 15s): Okay. So the documentary has been an absolute nightmare. In all honesty, I was approached by a director from New York on Facebook that actually said that he’d read my book and really, really thought that I should put it into a documentary. Okay. And I said, I was not interested that I just didn’t have the finances and I didn’t have the time to dedicate to that. And so we made an agreement that he said, you know, if you can do this for me, for my documentary, I will help. I will edit your documentary and I will help you and be there with you through the whole filming process.

So the past two years, Jay crew was my, he operated the camera and we filmed, you know, different scenes throughout LA. One of my old ice skating students. She plays me as a younger Colan. My music producer is also play. He plays my husband. And then a lot of people that are in the movie or in my documentary were the actual people that they’re playing themselves. And then they also take place at the, like the dance club, the strip club that I first started dancing at. It’s still there. We filled it there and the managers still there and he was played himself in, in the documentary.

So now we are in editing and, but we’ve gone through three editors because what happened was the guy that made this whole promise to me, backed out, backed out. So, yeah. And so it’s been a, and then somebody else said they would do it and then they backed out. So I’m on my third editor right now. And I, again, he’s a good friend of mine, so I told him, please, don’t back out and it’s all about, so the documentary is, it’s really based on my book for the most part. Right. Except that the only difference is that we’re now adding in more detail and, and we’re, you know, really trying to get across the, the significance of the different events and how they occurred.

Speaker 1 (13m 56s): Hmm. Okay. Now, why do you feel that pin Xers decided to make you their spokes model?

Speaker 3 (14m 5s): So they came to me, I believe they originally came to me on, I’m gonna say Twitter, but I’m not positive. Okay. And that’s because I have my, you know, my message is don’t judge, you can’t, don’t judge, don’t judge people by the, you know, lifestyle relationship, lifestyle that they lead, whether they live a polyamory lifestyle, a swinger lifestyle, BDSM, kink. And then, and then if they work in the adult industry and all very different variations of being involved in, you know, the adult industry. And so I’m very much about, you know, not judging a book by its cover.

And I, you know, and I portray that in my articles and through the guests that I bring on my podcast to show that just because somebody’s an adult performer doesn’t mean they were sexually abused or they’re drug addicts, and I’ve brought on performers to prove, you know, I just had, I just had Leanna Lovings on who’s, you know, a double major in biology and neuroscience and, you know, grew up in a religious family. And she’s been in only a year just to prove to people that you can’t judge. And so that’s what society is doing this with all the social media right now, and shadow banning anybody that’s in the adult industry.

And I think it’s disgusting and it’s awful. And I think that’s why they came to me.

Speaker 1 (15m 13s): Some of the so-called adult platforms are doing it too. Right.

Speaker 3 (15m 20s): Yeah. What they’re doing is they’re really making it, you know, because they’re getting so much pressure from the MasterCard, you know, in the merchant class. So they, you know, they, I understand that they have to have precautions. I get that. Sure. But they’re making it as impossible. They’re just making you go through leaps and who, you know, just jump through hoops to get the, to get your content on their site. The worst one, honestly, I’ll site is only fans and that’s because of course doesn’t even have anywhere in there for us to upload the IDs. So there’s, so I don’t understand what they want you to do.

They want you to like sit there and now email them separately. Okay. This is the video I just uploaded. This is the paperwork. This is the IDs. Seriously. Yeah. And what they’ve done is that there are producers and, and studios that have had content on there for, you know, eight years. And they wanted them to go back and locate all the different performers and have them sign the only fans model release. And they will not release the money to these studios unless they get those papers signed again by these models who have some, have retired passed away, whatever it may be.

So it’s just, it’s disgusting. It’s absolutely. They make it some, my, my stuff’s on there there’s you can’t find anything on my only fans that involves another person. It’s just me. Sure.

Speaker 1 (16m 34s): Where do you see the entire fan site clip site industry going? Because it has, there have been a lot of changes lately. Obviously a lot of changes to only fans, but then the others have kind of had to follow. And again, yeah. And you, you talk about the pressure from, you know, the card companies. I mean, where do you, where do you see this all going?

Speaker 3 (17m 5s): So, you know, one thing I can say, and I, I really do believe in this. I do believe this is that no matter what society and media and anybody tries to do with the adult industry and make porn and illegal and knock us down here and knock us down there and you know, they’re never gonna fucking win. I’m sorry, but they’re not because sex sell and sex is everywhere. And whether or not people wanna admit that they indulge in it or watch it or are intrigued by it. Okay. It’s there. And by making it not there. Okay. So by, you know, by trying, they’re gonna, there’s gonna end up being more people prostituting on the streets and there’s gonna be more rapes and stuff like that.

Because if people can’t go and fulfill their role, play in their fantasies on webcam and stuff like that, then how else are they? They gonna do it, right. They’re gonna look at other measures. So the society, and then they need to freaking knock it off already. And if you’re not hurting anybody. And the only thing that I dis that I, that I agree with a hundred percent is no porn should be free and accessible without somebody adding, uploading their own ID, proving that they too are over the age of 18.

Speaker 1 (18m 11s): So, so age verification.

Speaker 3 (18m 13s): Absolutely. But I mean, age verification where somebody just clicks and says, oh yeah, I’m 18. You know where they go? Yeah. That that’s, I, I don’t really believe in that my website has the same thing actually, but to access my content, you have to sign up. So you can’t see anything for the fact like chatter BA that you can just go on there. My son he’s 14 can go on there and just watch for free to me is disgusting. It’s disgusting. Yeah. And so I agree with that. We need to fix that. And I don’t know why we haven’t made it the same way us as performers have to upload our ID and prove that we are over the age of 18 with a picture, the ID next to the face.

Why do the viewers not have to, they should have to as well,

Speaker 1 (18m 48s): Well, I, a hundred percent agree. I mean, I don’t have children, you have children, you, so, so it’s, it’s more personal for you and putting that aside for a second, how much of the responsibility do you think lies with the parents?

Speaker 3 (19m 8s): Well, I think that you need to be, so I have a very, very open relationship with my children. And I think that it’s very important to do that so that they know they can come to me and discuss with me masturbation, sex, condom, safe, sex, whatever. It may be STDs without sure. Fearing any kind of judgment. And what I notice, especially in my seminars is how many younger, you know, people come to my seminars and they’re maybe they were Jehovah’s witness. And their parents have told them that the, you know, they’re not welcome at home anymore, or they just wanna embrace their sexuality.

And they’ve been told that masturbation and pleasure yourself is bad. It’s a bad thing to do. Yeah. And so we’ve got, you know, so that, I think that lays on the parents. Okay, sure. Making your, these, these kids. I mean, I, I work for Dr. Susie’s Institute and I’m a chat agent for her. And mostly what I do is men will call in and they wanna talk to somebody. Who’s not gonna judge them about a kink or a fetish or something that’s going on in their minds without judgment, because they can’t, you know, I have a, there’s a 21 year old that calls and he’s got some major, you know, issues and it pisses me off.

Yeah. Cause that’s his parents’ fault. So that’s where that lies. But as for the porn, you know, I, I know that my, my son watches it. I know he does, but it’s easily, easily accessible. And I think under the age of 18, it should not be, you shouldn’t be able to access it. But

Speaker 1 (20m 29s): No, I, I agree. How much, how much of, of all that do you think can be pointed at religion?

Speaker 3 (20m 36s): A lot, A lot, a lot, a lot. And I grew up Jewish. I grew up, you know, private school and everything. Yeah. But if people don’t start to realize this, EV almost everybody that I counsel, like I counsel for, for the industry or for, you know, tell me that they came from a religious family where it was so shoved down their throat, you know, you will get married to one person. You will live a nog. And then what if people do, soon as they turn 18, they turn, you know, they, they code the complete opposite direction that they were forced to be in.

Yeah. So

Speaker 1 (21m 8s): Yeah. Going,

Speaker 3 (21m 9s): I believe,

Speaker 1 (21m 10s): Go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (21m 11s): I believe in, I was gonna say, I believe in being spiritual and I think it’s good to have, you know, that, that I say religion, but I think it’s more spirit. It’s good to have, you know, that spiritual connection. Yes. But to, to make people think that sex is bad and masturbation is bad and you know, is, is causing major issues. We’re going backwards is what we’re doing.

Speaker 1 (21m 31s): Sure. Yeah. And the whole, you know, prosecution of sin in our country, it looks like the whole marijuana thing going in the right direction. Thank goodness hell. Here in Thailand, they’re, they’re even in the process of legalizing marijuana, which God knows nobody ever thought that would happen. Interesting for, for a drug where they used to put people in the slammer for. Right.

Speaker 3 (21m 55s): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (21m 55s): Isn’t that crazy? Well for selling, they used to kill people for it here. They don’t do that anymore.

Speaker 3 (21m 59s): So, you know, somebody had a point the other day, somebody said, can you believe I can get marijuana delivered to my house, but I can’t get a pack of cigarettes. And I was like, that’s a very interesting analogy. You know?

Speaker 1 (22m 9s): Well, cigarette cigarettes are another matter. We probably won’t agree on, but anyway, oh

Speaker 3 (22m 13s): No, no. They’re discussing an awful habit. Awful, awful, awful. Agreed.

Speaker 1 (22m 17s): Agreed. And you know, you also were talking about regulations and how they’ll force people, you know, to do other things. I think fo the fo CTA law is probably the greatest example of how it’s absolutely. Yeah. What it’s done to the escort sites. And now there’s more, now there’s more street prostitution, prostitutes get murdered. I mean, it just doesn’t work.

Speaker 3 (22m 48s): Yeah. I, I just dunno what they’re thinking. I mean, we’d all know that people have, the prostitution has been around forever. Okay. And, you know, legalizing it with paying taxes would be the smartest way to do it. Sure. But, you know, instead, and then these sites that have been set up where they, you know, you can get reviews on the, on the, on the client, you can get reviews on the provider and, and you know, and at least there’s these safety precautions that are in there. Whereas now that they’re making that so difficult, well, girls are just gonna go walk the street again.

Speaker 1 (23m 18s): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23m 18s): People do what they have to do,

Speaker 1 (23m 20s): Or they’re gonna go on a site that somehow, cuz they’re doing a whackamole with them. They’re gonna go on a site and somehow meet up with somebody and maybe get murdered.

Speaker 3 (23m 30s): Right. Well we hope, you know, I just hope, you know, I always, if there’s any providers that are ever listening and don’t know how to run background checks, I encourage them to contact me for free. And I’ve got a variety of different ways to do so I used to work as a, as a private detective. And so I’ve got some insider information and so I run checks all the time for people.

Speaker 1 (23m 47s): Fantastic. Well, I hope people will take advantage of that. Now, in addition to your books, your documentary and Pinter, I understand you developed and talked a little bit about it last time, a C B D personal lubricant, how’s that working out for you?

Speaker 3 (24m 4s): It’s going good. You know, that, that was a definitely a new business venture for me to embark on. It’s not my specialty. You know, I had to find out all these different, I, I didn’t realize that CBD. So marketing CBD and making a CBD product is one marketing lube and a lubricant product is another. But when you put them together, it’s considered a medical device. So I had no idea how hard insurance would be on it. And the only good thing is is that we, we extracted the THC for mine.

And even though under 0.03% is okay to have, I did that because a lot of my fan base or military and military will not even touch like a CBD bath bomb because they just worry that they’ll still test for the TC. Right. Sure. You know? Sure. And so we just extracted it. So that’s, so my loop’s going good. You know, it was a, it was a two year process of trying to find something well, trying to put together a, a product that with all the things that I don’t like about lubes, I don’t like so they’re sticky or that they have an awful smell, awful taste. And so, you know, that’s what we were trying to nail.

And I think we did, we did nail it so

Speaker 1 (25m 11s): Fabulous. Now where can listeners purchase your products and follow your career?

Speaker 3 (25m 16s): So the easiest thing is I’ve now lodged a brand new website. And so everything is on there. So instead of needing to go to the hanky pinky podcast.com for the podcast, and then going to Jules CBD lubricant for the loop, they now just go to Corland jewel.com. And on there they can access my coaching, my adult content, you know, they have a, there’s a membership site for that. They can access my podcast, my blogs, my shop, my tour schedule everything. And so it’s really made it a lot more accessible as it’s an all in one platform it’s taken, you know, it’s trial and error of course, like everything, but it’s definitely making things easier for my fan base.

Speaker 1 (25m 56s): Tell me the main reason you launched the website and how it’s working out for you

Speaker 3 (26m 1s): Launched the website most, pretty much for what I said, because, you know, I was, I had all these different websites and platforms. I was Mon you know, I was taking care of my Juul CBD lubricant, but then I was on, I had Kajabi for the website and that was only coaching. You couldn’t have any adult content over there. So then I was trying to put my adult content somewhere else and it’s just, it was just too much to handle. And so, and then, and then the coaching I needed, you know, the coaching somewhere, the store, oh, the store. I couldn’t have my store on Kajabi because you can’t put a, a lubricant on there. So if I could put everything together into one, so it definitely was a lot of work putting together this

Speaker 1 (26m 37s): Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26m 38s): Putting together this website,

Speaker 1 (26m 40s): Talk about the, the, the process of putting a site that intricate together and a

Speaker 3 (26m 48s): Lot of fighting

Speaker 1 (26m 49s): How it went.

Speaker 3 (26m 51s): So I’m working with someone in Portugal, so we’re on different, different time zones. Right. So that’s the one issue is that, you know, at two o’clock in the morning when he’s got questions, I’m ready for bed. And so there was a lot of Allnighters cause wait

Speaker 1 (27m 3s): A minute, wait a minute. You sleep.

Speaker 3 (27m 5s): I do sometimes, but wow. Not a lot with this website. Cause I was up all night last night. That’s what I told you earlier. But yeah. So a lot, a lot of back and forth and, and then, you know, we would agree to put something up and then, and then it wouldn’t work. So it’s trial and error. So for example, people can go on there and they can automatically say, I’d like to, they buy a consultation with me for lifestyle, for example. Okay. Right. And then they can actually book their through the Cal, you know, through the calendar program, they can book. So, but what happens is yesterday at two, in the afternoon, I decide that I’m gonna go to the store and in comes a thing that books me for three o’clock consultation.

So oops, okay. That doesn’t work. Right. So I had to contact the web guy and be like, okay, nevermind. That’s not a good idea. We need to have it that they purchase. And then I contact them to schedule them in because yes, I’m not gonna sit home and wait. So

Speaker 1 (27m 53s): Yeah. Sometimes automated has its drawbacks.

Speaker 3 (27m 57s): Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (27m 59s): So what other challenges have you gone through and putting the site together? And the reason I ask is because so many people, when they put together websites, they don’t realize that it isn’t that easy.

Speaker 3 (28m 11s): It’s not easy. And, and again, like I said, there’s things that we have done on there and then they don’t work and then we pull them, or, you know, in the beginning we were uploading every, all the content to an outside server called a digital ocean and then digital ocean, wasn’t connecting with the WordPress. And so the videos weren’t playing and, you know, and it was all these like issues. Right. But you know, I think we’ve nailed them out for the most part, trying to think. And then, but yeah, lots and lots and lots of challenges.

And we’re still, we’re still going through challenges for sure.

Speaker 1 (28m 43s): Yeah. They, they don’t end when you launch the site because then always you, you always will come across things that need to be tweaked and fixed. It’s an ongoing process and it never ends, unfortunately. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28m 57s): And then, you know, we’ve got, I’ve got like affiliate, I, I say affiliate programs, but you know, I’ve got for my podcast, I have companies that I do advertising for on the podcast. And then, you know, people can try out their swinger site for free. So now we needed somewhere for people to access that, to access the links. So we had to add a partner’s page. And so people couldn’t find it because it was in the dropdown menu. So, you know, it’s all about, okay, well we’re, you have to put yourself as though you’re a three year old trying to navigate your way through a website. Yes. That makes sense.

So, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29m 29s): Oh it does. Because I say that and I say that in my broker tips on my, on this podcast, when I talk about looking at your own website and looking at it like a user, not as a developer, that’s the last thing that anyone should ever do is go to a web developer and say, Hey, put together a website for me. This is what I want in it. No, you have to be so specific and say, I want this here, this here, this here and this year and

Speaker 3 (30m 0s): They’re involved

Speaker 1 (30m 1s): And this is what I want it to do. And this, these are the capabilities that I want it to have. And in the process, they’ll do something. You’ll go, you know what, now it needs to do this. And what I always suggest to people is have friends who have no part in the industry, you know, just people, you know, go to the website and try it. Okay.

Speaker 3 (30m 28s): It’s exactly, exactly that. I’ll tell you. Here’s a perfect example of that. I had a guy that contacted a client on, you know, one of my webcam clients on Skype and he was just contacting me saying, you know, I cannot figure this out. I can’t figure out how to get back to the homepage. And I go, what do you mean you can’t figure out to get back to the homepage? So we shared the screen and I swear it was only 45 minutes of him and I together. And I go, oh my God, I have no idea where the freaking homepage is. So finally I contact my web guy and he says, it’s your logo in the corner? And I said, and how the hell is, anybody’s supposed to know that he says, everybody knows that.

And I go, I couple shit on that. Cause I didn’t know that.

Speaker 1 (31m 3s): And that’s a great example of a good example, insider knowing this. And I, I know normally that when you click on a logo, that’s gonna take you to the homepage, but it’s still a good idea to have the word home somewhere

Speaker 3 (31m 19s): To, because you have to imagine that whoever is looking at your site has no clue how to navigate through these things. And it’s got to be, you know, click here to register, click here for the newsletter, click here for the blog click here for the podcast. If you don’t say click or whatever, people can’t figure it out. Right.

Speaker 1 (31m 35s): So, absolutely. Let’s talk about your podcast, the hanky pinky podcast it’s been going on for a while. How’s it going? And who have been some of your favorite guests so far besides me? Of course.

Speaker 3 (31m 49s): Yes, of course. Right. It’s going really well. I would say that’s, it’s definitely something I’m very much enjoying. I really, really do enjoy it. Let’s see. I’m on, like, I think I’ve recorded 83 episodes now and

Speaker 1 (32m 2s): That’s great. I got I’m up to I’ve actually, well, I’ve actually released 103, but I’ve got another dozen or so interviews in the can. So there you

Speaker 3 (32m 12s): Go. Yeah. I think that’s what it is. I’ve released 83. I think that’s where we are. Let’s see. Most recent was Jenna star. So, you know, we talked about how, you know, she got discovered by, by Twitter, from BR, from, from brass ears. She was just a working as a cosmetologist, I guess. And then they discovered her then recently had Leanna Lovings just interviewed her yesterday or the day before. Absolute boots, sweetheart. That one is a doll favorite interviews. Hmm.

Okay. It’s hard. I think my most like educational, if I wanna say that are things that really taught me a lot was when I did a whole segment on golden era porn. So Richard Chenko Eric Monty, let me think. Sharon Mitchell. Yeah. Rob Everett, you know, those were really, really neat to Sean Elliot, you know, to learn the, the history behind 42nd street and Plato’s retreat and all these different things that I’d never even heard of.

Speaker 1 (33m 12s): Sure. Yeah. That’s it’s in any industry you need to know the history.

Speaker 3 (33m 17s): Absolutely. Absolutely. And I’m, I’m the girl that doesn’t watch porn. So, but one thing about my, my podcast, which I really try to make known to people is it’s not just people in the adult industry or just couples that are involved in the swinger lifestyle. Right. I try to bring in a variation of scientists and therapists or educators authors to, but anything that has to do with being sex positive. Sure, sure. And another real cool interview with my interview with Dr. Michael Perry, who is, he was a priest turned like instructional sex, sex, sex, instructional DVD.

He did all the directing, but he also got he’s a doctor, you know, sex therapist. And interesting. That was interesting how he went from priest to that.

Speaker 1 (34m 0s): Interesting. Yeah. Maybe he knew more as a priest than, and then he let off. Now, are you still shooting, running your swingers club and working as a wedding planner

Speaker 3 (34m 11s): Still shooting? Yes. Just recently shot. I was in Chicago, so I did two since scenes in Chicago. Yes. I’m still running my swingers club. A lot of my venues closed because of COVID. And so it’s been a, of course, little bit of a challenge to find new locations, but I have a brand new venue I just got in Los Angeles lined up for June 25th for my first event there. Okay. And the weddings, I still have my wedding business available on a like more word of mouth.

That’s the most stressful worst. I love being a wedding planner, but I hate, I hate my brides. I can’t stand. Especially their moms can’t stand what a

Speaker 1 (34m 51s): Shock

Speaker 3 (34m 51s): And I, yeah, I just, and to me it’s just, yeah, it’s just, you know, it doesn’t matter how hard I work or how much I go above and beyond. And, and like I have, I have amazing reviews. I won five start five years in a row, a couple stories, award winner on wedding wire, but it took one bride, one bride just a couple months ago to just put me over the edge. And I came home and I pulled my website. I said, I’m done. I’m absolutely done. One bride can do that to you. So

Speaker 1 (35m 17s): Yeah. Yeah. When they don’t appreciate what you do, sometimes it’s best to move on to the areas that are more fulfilling.

Speaker 3 (35m 25s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35m 26s): So you talk a lot about being a lifestyle coach, so, and, and you, you gave me some examples, but what exactly is a lifestyle coach and you did tell, you did tell me how people can book a consultation, but let’s, let’s, let’s break out something else here. Okay. Okay. Besides what is a lifestyle coach? How does that differ from a licensed counselor?

Speaker 3 (35m 53s): Okay. So that’s the one thing is that, you know, I always make it very clear to people that I’m not a therapist. I’m not, you know, a psychiatrist I’m, you know, not medically, you know, I, no doctorate, no paperwork behind that. I did go and get certified as a master of sexologist. And I did that more because I really wanted to understand some of these fetishes and kinks as a webcam performer, custom video girl, working in a brothel where do these fetishes and Kings stem from, and you know, how can I help somebody work through those?

And so that’s what I did that for. So a lifestyle coach, this is what I always tell people. I don’t believe I don’t care what doctorate I have. I don’t believe that I could counsel or be a therapist or a psychiatrist to someone who is going through being sexually molested or sexual abuse because I haven’t been there and I haven’t walked in their shoes. And so I, I don’t think that I have any right to tell them how to deal with this. Cause I haven’t been there. And with lifestyle I’ve been in the, in the, in the lifestyle as a married woman, as a, you know, a, a couple as a single, as an owner of a club.

And I’ve really seen it a lot, seen a lot. I can’t, I’ll never say I’ve seen it all, you know? Right. But I’ve seen a lot. And so I, I feel more than qualified to guide people and help them navigate their way through it. So lifestyle coaches, like I said, in the beginning, it’s somebody who will help you navigate your way through this journey either as a single or as a couple so that you don’t make the mistakes that I made. I wish somebody had, I, I truly think that my husband and I would’ve still been married had somebody guided us. Yeah, I really do.

But

Speaker 1 (37m 28s): So it’s so, so it’s strictly for the swinger’s lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (37m 31s): It’s strictly for the Stringer’s lifestyle. I don’t, if you’re yeah. So could I help a married couple? Maybe, you know, if there was, if they were having issues, for example, you know, a sex, a sexless marriage. Okay. Right. Could I help them? Yes. Cause I could probably give them ideas to incorporate role play and stuff like that to entice the relationship and bring the excitement to the bedroom again. Right. But ultimately I focus on the lifestyle community. Okay.

Speaker 1 (37m 55s): Okay. So you talked about the shows you’re gonna be attending. How can people meet you at them?

Speaker 3 (38m 3s): So the easiest thing to see how nice this is, you just go to my website, which is the coral and jewel.com. And then right there, you click on tours and it says, where can you find me? And it’s got everything from my swinger events, meet and greets classes that I’ll be teaching and then the different seminars where they can find me. So if this releases in a couple months, that would probably be four months. Would that be, I don’t know, like July I’m in Miami, July, August, December is Washington DC.

Where’s New Jersey. October’s in New Jersey. Okay. So great.

Speaker 1 (38m 39s): So in addition to piners, are you working with any other companies as a spokesperson or lead ambassador?

Speaker 3 (38m 46s): I’m working with a company out of where are they out? I don’t know where they’re, they’re there in Europe. Okay. But that hasn’t been released yet what we’re doing. So it’s kind of on the download. It’ll probably be out by the time this comes out. So I can probably say something. We are, we’re putting together a call it a PR firm if you want to. Okay. But it’s an all in one. So it’s, it’s it, it’s somebody like me, an adult performer that wants once, you know, once, you know, needs, needs help with press releases once, you know, logo done branding.

So it’s over, it’s an all in one branding business resource company.

Speaker 1 (39m 26s): Interesting.

Speaker 3 (39m 27s): Yes. And not just for the adult industry, Mike, one of our clients right now is a retired football player and we’ve got another client that is a radio podcaster. And so, you know, people come to us and they wanna rebrand and we’ve got my connections and my expertise in one field and then the rest of my team and their connections and you know, like the technical side of stuff. And we’re working on that together. So

Speaker 1 (39m 51s): Another business Corlon my God.

Speaker 3 (39m 54s): I know. I know. I know. I know. And that’s the whole thing that’s going crazy. That’s why I’m so crazy. I need help.

Speaker 1 (40m 0s): Ah, yeah. I think you probably should talk to a counselor about, you know, some, some people are shopaholics. I think you’re an entrepreneur aholic. Maybe

Speaker 3 (40m 9s): I know, but you know, what it was is that it’s that I really felt like we were missing that because, you know, I can find somebody to do my PR, but then if I want my website done, they couldn’t do my website. And then if I wanted to have somebody video my coaching webinars and help me put those on there, they couldn’t do that. And so I found a company and we formed one that could do it all in one. Yeah. Through one stop shop.

Speaker 1 (40m 31s): So what’s next for you? I’m almost afraid to ask.

Speaker 3 (40m 34s): I’m afraid to ask. Yeah. Next, let’s see, getting my documentary done. I have. I’m hoping by what did I give him? I said to, I said, I said New Jersey October by October. I want that released. My second book is just about done. I want that released by October. Then I’ll start my third book. And then really just getting this PR company off the ground, starting to get, you know, let, let, let people know that we’re out there it’s affordable. And I just wanna help everybody, you know, reach their, the best of their ability and their career, whatever it may be without anybody telling them that they can’t do it so

Speaker 1 (41m 10s): Well. You’re certainly a good example of that. Corland I’d like to thank you for being our guest again today on adult site, broker talk and looking forward to part four.

Speaker 3 (41m 21s): Thank you again very much for having me, darling,

Speaker 1 (41m 23s): Always nice to have you. My broker tip today is part five of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, when you decide to sell your site, make sure you have the following information available for potential buyers, detailed information about your company, your website, and any other aspect of your operation that the potential buyer may wanna find out about. This should include for a pay site, a detailed inventory of your content, number of images and number of videos.

How much of it is exclusive and how much is non exclusive financial information for at least the last three years. If your company is that old, this should include sales reports, profit and loss statements and billing reports get all the information organized in legible format that a good broker can use to sell your property. If you decide to sell it yourself, organize a list of potential buyers and start the process of contacting them. Be realistic about what your company is worth in today’s market.

The kiss of death is overpricing your property. Is there anything that a potential buyer needs to know such as? Are you being sued? Do you have any substantial debts or anything else? Don’t let these things be a surprise to the potential buyer. They’ll either find out before the sale and not buy or they’ll find out after the sale. And you’ll have another lawsuit on your hands, disclose everything. We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with Kole Snodgrass of full swap radio.

And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Coralyn Jewel. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

 

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Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today on adults side, broker talk is comedian and actor. Dan <inaudible>. Dan, thanks for being with us today on adult site. Broker talk.

Speaker 0 (2m 33s): Hey, what’s going on, man? Thank you for having me again.

Speaker 2 (2m 37s): Yeah, we, we started in Zencaster my recording platform had a little bit of a glitch, so we’re starting over.

Speaker 0 (2m 46s): It was me. I feel like I always feel like I’m the guy.

Speaker 2 (2m 49s): No, it wasn’t you. It was me.

Speaker 0 (2m 51s): Oh, could you see them? Do you see the movie lock on Disney at

Speaker 2 (2m 54s): No,

Speaker 0 (2m 55s): Eric you’re on there. The premise of the whole thing is that there’s book. Good luck and bad luck. There’s a character on there. That’s has only bad luck right now. That’s me. So I think everything that goes wrong right now between what’s going on is me. It’s my fault. Completely. A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (3m 8s): Okay. I’ll blame

Speaker 0 (3m 9s): Responsibility. Okay.

Speaker 2 (3m 10s): Okay. It’s all your fault. So let’s, let’s tell everyone about you. Dances, Stantec, comic and actor who has been seen on the Bob and Tom show. HBO is boardwalk empire. Show me a hero, younger, sexy beasts, or a younger, sexy beast. Now those are two different things, but following the Wendy Williams show and the RD Lang show is the executive producer of the apartment ship. Dan has played numerous venues and comedy festivals around the country. You got to start in Syracuse, New York, and now he’s in New York city circuit, regular Dan finds joy and traveling the country to small towns to entertain people.

He travels the country with this pit mation tests, raising money for various animal charities and rubbing people’s bellies. His first comedy album naked and amused comedy at a nudist colony came out in late 2017. Dan also has quite a footprint and adult. He hosted the inked awards in 2019, any hosts, the sexy people podcast, formerly porn stars are people on the podcast. Dan hosts, sex positive icons in order to de-stigmatize and normalize sexuality, gender, and feeling comfortable with the human body adult film stars, talk relationships, politics, art animals, friends, family travel, and have a lot of fun doing it all without talking a lot about porn, the sexy people, podcast hopes to humanize comedians, adult stores, and listeners alike to see that life is not just about labels, judgments, and critiques.

So Dan, first off, let’s talk about the podcast. Why did you originally start doing it?

Speaker 0 (4m 48s): I’m so excited that that intro is incredible and hearing it twice as incredible. Each 72, my intro, I like staying in the corner. Like I just scored a touchdown with two fingers in the air.

Speaker 2 (4m 56s): Well, if you want them, if you want to take me on the road with you, I can do, I can do all your, I can do all your introductions or you can just, or you can just buy the tape.

Speaker 0 (5m 6s): Yeah, yeah. And then just play it. No, I want the live guy, all the guys on, on like, like what’s the, what was the guy who introduced Bob Barker? Who’s the guy who introduced Alex. Shabak those guys. Those are big deal, guys. I need that. I need that. I need one of those and just in studio and that’s all you do. You just intro me and then you can fuck off and you made money.

Speaker 2 (5m 28s): It doesn’t pay well,

Speaker 0 (5m 30s): It’s gotta pay. Well, that’s the whole thing we’re going for is hopefully that I can make a career out of this thing. Got it. 60 people podcast. I don’t know, man, you, you kind of nailed it. It was called porn stars or people. I was having trouble with censorship and everywhere on the internet. That wants to be a bad word. Won’t want to be a bad word. Right? And so I was running a show called porn stars or people. And I was running a show called porn stars or comedians alive events at the various sex fairs in the U S and, and porn conventions.

And I would get a flag on the event calendars that said the word porn was, was profanity. And that blew my mind. And having porn being near porn, going to AVN has always gotten me flagged on Instagram. So it’s, it’s just, it’s like the opposite of clickbait. It’s like advertising kryptonite. Right? And so Facebook, Instagram and YouTube have been flagging me nonstop. And so I came and I changed the name to sexy people, podcasts, same from podcasts. But what’s also crazy is in the amount of time that I’ve been doing the podcast, the phrase porn star has become null and void.

So whereas when I started, there was people that would literally walk in there and be like, you’ve got damn right. I’m a porn star now. Everybody’s kind of like, no, I’m like, and we’ve really taken on this sex worker title. And we’ve really taken on, you know, like cam artists or like content or for later. Right. Yeah. And that’s more important than like saying porn star.

Speaker 2 (7m 2s): Right.

Speaker 0 (7m 3s): And so I have to change with the times. So I’m trying to do that.

Speaker 2 (7m 6s): Yeah. And there’s so many attacks, so many attacks to the adult industry. And we’ll talk a little bit about that later. Talk a bit about the adult entertainment industry. It’s really rare to find someone outside the business spend so much time and effort promoting a normalizing it while also having a great understanding of what we do. How do you feel like you came to this point?

Speaker 0 (7m 32s): Well, I’m a dirty little slot and I always wanted to like reconcile some of those feelings and those emotions. And, and, and even like now I’m in therapy. I’m realizing that like a lot of my sexual behavior might be compulsive or like a stress relief and all those sorts of things. So like even the like holistic, I don’t know what better word I want. Like the healthy aspects of sex and masturbation or even things that are like looked down upon and porn for me has always been sort of a mass masturbatory, like, like add on.

So my, the starting point is I need to come. And the finishing point is I need some, some help and some aid. And porn’s always been there for me. Porn always delivers. Right. And so that’s where it came in for me. And so the other thing that I found really interesting once I first initially had the idea to do this thing was, was I started listening to other podcasts that had porn stars on. And I, and I realized the amount of disrespect that porn stars and sex workers were getting on podcasts.

They’re either brought on to, to be a one trick pony. Tell me about giant dicks or they’re literally like treated like their opinion. Doesn’t matter in less, we’re talking about swallowing cock. And I hated that. And what I’ve learned from having the podcast is that, especially in today’s day and age, the BTS and the, the like knowledge of the performer informs the fantasy that people are paying for.

And so if the fantasy is about the actual person, right? If I actually like want Janice Griffith to be my girlfriend in my head, knowing as much about her as possible is really important to me. And that’s the thing I’m going to come about. And four and two. And so there’s a place where my podcast fills that gap a little bit where like, when we get to learn interesting, weird facts like that, Lexi Luna is a grammar Nazi. And I think that’s really fun.

Speaker 2 (9m 38s): Do you anticipate that people are whacking off to your podcast?

Speaker 0 (9m 42s): Th th this is a great question. So in my head, it’s no right then, but then when I look at the data, Advita how long people are listening. I found out that yes, You will be willing to listening to an amount that doesn’t make sense unless they just came. Right. So I think, I think what happens, I think people find my podcast in a search for the person that they want to make them come get static. And they listen to the podcast for a little bit, and they either stay because they’ve enjoyed what they’ve heard or they go away.

And, and so what I hoped to do was to do was to get the guy who wanted to come to Natalie night and retain them. I don’t know if I’ve done that. And I don’t know where the fan base comes from, but I hope it’s, I hope it’s that safe space where, where people are enjoying what they’re hearing and they want to hear more and they want to find out about the other guests. But what I do find a little bit in the trolley YouTube comments is it’s mostly somebody came to see Kimmy Kaboom, and then they don’t like that. I’m even there.

And that’s, those are hilarious listeners.

Speaker 2 (10m 50s): I love it. So the adult industry is under a massive attack by the religious, right? Like we’ve never seen before in our history, they’re going after the credit card companies are trying to shut off our sources of revenue. Give me your thoughts on that.

Speaker 0 (11m 5s): Since this all makes sense to me now, I didn’t know it was happening like that. I would, I would actually like some more background from you, but what I do know for sure is,

Speaker 2 (11m 14s): Well, I mean, did you hear that MasterCard shut down PornHub?

Speaker 0 (11m 19s): No. Yeah. Recently?

Speaker 2 (11m 21s): Yeah. Not too long ago. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (11m 23s): No, I didn’t know that. So I knew the thing that hit me the hardest was only fans trying to pull their, their policy on, on, on adult content and then them backing off because they’re like, oh shit. But I understood a piece that maybe some other people didn’t understand, which is the reason why they were doing that was because they went to investors and investors, just like the people don’t want my buck. As we call porn stars are people. They went to investors and the investors were like, I can’t give you money. And they’re like, why? This is a 5 billion industry.

And they’re like, yeah, but et cetera, whatever the et cetera is. And there’s a thousand, et cetera. And it all based in the idea that, and it’s a good understanding this, the starting point is, well, the Bible says you’re not supposed to, you’re not supposed to. The longer our country exists late. Well, that’s not true. Let’s, let’s rephrase lately. We are more evangelical than ever. I never would have predicted that. I thought we were doing a good job. Even just being in the podcast. I thought we were doing a good job of moving away from like religious fanaticism, but we’re not.

And the last administration really did a number on, on digging us deeper into ideas that I thought we all decided were silly.

Speaker 2 (12m 39s): Yeah. I think it would be who’ve you with your podcast

Speaker 0 (12m 44s): As somebody jumps to move on me

Speaker 2 (12m 47s): To explore that just a tad bit more. I know it’s a little bit off topic, but there are organizations that are really going after adult and they’re being successful and they’re getting a lot of funding because of the religious. Right.

Speaker 0 (13m 8s): And I wish we as an organization, like a group of people, not an organization, but I wish we were a stronger in binding together to become a superpower against that. The amount of money that this industry makes, we should figure out a way to combat.

Speaker 2 (13m 25s): Yeah. I mean, there are there, there’s the free speech coalition that is the legislative arm and they’ve had their successes. Okay. But when, when it’s, when it’s a wave of attacks, it’s very, very difficult to stop. And right now that’s where the industry’s at. I don’t think it’s ever been this bad.

Speaker 0 (13m 49s): Yeah. I mean, well, arguably it was, you know, you know, like all the transition points, it was this bad, you know, hustlers transition point, this bad Playboys transition point this bad every time where we there’s like a little bit of a change and a, and a chunk of progress, somehow they find a way to try to scale us back. And obviously get a period of time when my country wants to repeal Roe V. Wade, of course, anything that could be like sex, sex based.

What’s what’s the big word, prurient, obscene, any of these things they want to be redefined.

Speaker 2 (14m 29s): Right.

Speaker 0 (14m 31s): Horrible time. Apparently it would be for comedy because it’s the same, it’s part of the same idea. It’s this freedom of, of, of expression.

Speaker 2 (14m 39s): Yes.

Speaker 0 (14m 40s): Is the thing that we’re attacking. Yes. And

Speaker 2 (14m 43s): Yeah. I’ll talk. Well, I do. I actually, yeah, I do. I actually do have some, do have some questions about that for you, for you as well, because freedom expression, the first amendment, all of that is under, under major attack. And it all seems to be coming from the same place. So, well, no, not necessarily the same place. That’s not.

Speaker 0 (15m 3s): Are you finding that in other countries? Are you finding that in places that you do business that that’s

Speaker 2 (15m 7s): Oh, it’s worldwide. No, it’s worldwide. Oh yeah.

Speaker 0 (15m 12s): How is the church so organized? That’s my question.

Speaker 2 (15m 15s): It’s not just the church, unfortunately. It’s not just the church. Don’t we jump into that. Okay. As you said, not only is it adult than under attack, but comedy’s been attacked a lot, especially by like the woke police, whether it’s Christopher rock getting slapped for telling a joke or Dave Chappelle being attacked on stage, or even the president of the United States, such as he was calling bill Maher, calling them out, comics are being assaulted both physically and in the media.

How do you deal with this as a comic?

Speaker 0 (15m 50s): Well, where that’s not like, this is what, this, this is the best way to explain it. It’s not uncommon for us. Like the idea that like you might get hunched for a joke has always existed. Like, there’s all these great stories for comedians that are big. Now, Jim gaff, again, just like he was on stage. Somebody is doing a thing they’re heckling, he’s six, four. He’s always been 220 pounds. He walked off stage and he started punching a guy. Like, like, it’s not like, there’s never really been a good bouncer culture to our thing.

And, and at baseline comedy is eight people in a basement. Right. So like that, you got to understand. It’s like, you know, it’s just like, just like porn is like, it’s, it’s two people in a camera, which hilariously, like, that’s one of the main selling points now. But like, that’s the, that’s all you need. Right. And so for government, you need a mic and a couple of people and that’s dangerous. And so comedians we’ve always had to like, figure out how to like, and even as a child is one of the reasons I am a comedian. I had tumultuous relationships as a child. So like my whole, my whole like sense of being was how do I make somebody laugh before they punch me?

Who like, that’s it, how do I, how do I make this person laugh? So I don’t get hit. And that’s kind of like what it is. And that’s why I thought it was crazy actually about the Chris rock thing. And this is all I’ll say about this. Cause everybody has been exhausted. The,

Speaker 2 (17m 8s): Yeah, nobody wants to hear about it, but it exists.

Speaker 0 (17m 11s): How Chris rock, wow. Will Smith is walking up to stage while he’s not just peppering him with more and more insults. Like if you’re walking on stage and you’re coming from me and I know you’re coming from me, maybe I don’t think, cause it’s the Oscars I’m going to get hit. But that’s silly because a person’s a person and hitting can happen no matter what is going on. So I’m going to pepper him until there’s, he, there’s nothing left of that person. By the time they get to this stage, like, he

Speaker 2 (17m 36s): Didn’t have a chance. He didn’t have a chance. He didn’t say

Speaker 0 (17m 38s): Anything. He like, he just, he backed off and, and it’s like, the, the damage was done. So he got hit. So he should have just kept, he cut. She had kept going, kept going, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Speaker 2 (17m 48s): He’s certainly capable.

Speaker 0 (17m 51s): Yeah. And just assault his character, man. This is somebody who’s coming for you. He’s coming for your profession, coming for your, for your, for the microphone. More than anything else. This is what you value the most is being able to speak. And they’re coming for that. Maybe he just takes the mic. Right? My favorite thing to do, and this is, and this is a good way to bridge the conversation when I’m met with like aggression and male aggression, like as if a person in the audience is going to like run on stage and beat me up, I meet that aggression with their homophobia.

So like I had a guy once and he was like, he like got up and he was like, oh, you want to go outside and all this. Cause I’m like telling a joke about him. Maybe I’m doing a riff about what’s going on, whatever, whatever. Maybe it’s about him. And he said, want to go outside. And then, so I made it about, he wants to go outside so we can make out. I was like, sir, if you want to make out, we can do it right here. We don’t got to go outside and get all private. And that, that thing, dad, his cause he’s cause now he doesn’t know that it

Speaker 2 (18m 47s): Stopped him in his tracks

Speaker 0 (18m 49s): And he got the laugh and that’s what it is. I’m here to survive. And I built up a skill that has a, a real place in, in the world. And, and at baseline survival, how do I not get hit in the face? Make him make him think one of us is gay. And we don’t know which one it is. What do people that want to punch dudes in the face hate the most?

Speaker 2 (19m 15s): Oh yeah.

Speaker 0 (19m 15s): Two men kissing.

Speaker 2 (19m 18s): Absolutely. And by the way you mentioned Roe V. Wade and porn, LGBTQ plus rights are all tied in as well as gay marriage is now in danger.

Speaker 0 (19m 34s): I’m going to pull gay marriage. We’re going to pull all of this stuff,

Speaker 2 (19m 37s): Going to make porn illegal. I mean, it’s all, it’s all rolled together. So we’re worried when we hear about Roe V Wade, it definitely impacts this industry.

Speaker 0 (19m 48s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19m 49s): Yeah. And it, it impacts comedy because what’s next. What, right. What right. Is next? That’s the question. What’s the next thing they’re going to take away.

Speaker 0 (20m 1s): It’s about freedom of speech. So a thing that a lot of people don’t understand is that places without freedom of speech, standup comedy is illegal. So South Africa, for example, South Africa did not have freedom of speech until 1994. I believe that means that up comedy was literally illegal until 1994. That was so not that long ago, that was very close to now. Right. That was a period of time. Like we thought that it was okay. Well, I guess we didn’t think was okay. We, we, we did everything we could to try to make apartheid stop. One of the main things that held up apartheid was not being able to say how you feel and not being able to date who you want and not being able to marry or fuck who you want.

And that’s, it is it’s all rolled together and

Speaker 2 (20m 42s): It is, but America’s supposed to be different. We have a constitution, we have the first amendment. We

Speaker 0 (20m 50s): Believe that all forms of it,

Speaker 2 (20m 53s): But all forms of expression, whether it be art, film, news, media, comedy, or porn, they’re supposed to be protected. But slowly we see these protections eroding. And the sad part is it’s not just right or just left. It’s both sides of the political aisle on the left. You got the woke police on the right. You got people telling them what they can do or what they can do with their bodies. So what’s going on with the country. And how do you think we can turn this around?

Speaker 0 (21m 23s): I mean, I, I, you know, I’m trying to get dual citizenship in Italy. I don’t know that we’re turning this thing around, man. I don’t think that we, like, I didn’t think we could go backwards on the bus and start ripping off things that, that we already accomplished. But the fact that we didn’t even like, and again, if you, you know, you want to call it the PR the, the, the woke police, that side has not been looking at things that we’ve accomplished as up on the platter for things that could get decommissioned or whatever good words are.

And so we’re, we’re looking at the wrong stuff and, and the right is going no, everything, everything that we always believe we’re going to, we’re going to keep to it. The things that we believed in 1855 and 17, 76 and 1492, we’re just going to hold onto that stuff. And we live a lot. America lives, this lie that moved here for religious freedom, but it wasn’t about religious freedom. It was where can I start my mob of this other religion that we’re not really supporting where we live?

How do we do what another country is already doing, but with a different set of ideals, and that’s all we’ve done. It’s this thing about police brutality. We have a blind eye in the U S to gun violence and police brutality. And so what happens is we want to talk about those two things. And then we either pretend like we don’t know what the problem is, or we pretend like the salute that the solution is not obvious. And we love living that lie because we don’t really want,

Speaker 2 (22m 56s): And it’s so obvious. It’s so obvious. I hate to say it. And some of my gun loving friends will hate me for this. But what Australia did is, is the best solution

Speaker 0 (23m 7s): Done. Get ready to

Speaker 2 (23m 8s): End. There have to be laws, getting weapons of war off the streets.

Speaker 0 (23m 16s): And you know, the thing that tries to hold up, a lot of people, it’s this idea that like a, that like a well-equipped militia could, could like handle an army. And it’s like, you’re not doing it, man. No amount of guns are going to stop drones from ending your house. Like there’s no matter what thing you can buy the government’s got something bigger, no matter what, it’s that idea. It’s like, you know, no matter how big a guy is, there’s always a bigger guy. Like

Speaker 2 (23m 43s): Police departments have have more tools. Now that they’ve gotten from the defense department, then you could ever have,

Speaker 0 (23m 51s): Right. And don’t know me recently that police have never been here for the citizens. Police are, are the military of local government. And that’s it until we understand that. Luckily for most of my life, I haven’t had to be in many situations where I had to call the cops. But when I was 20, I had to be in a situation, right. To call the cops thinking that, oh, the police are here to protect me. And what I found immediately was they’re here to intensify the situation that exists and, or put me in a situation as a citizen where I no longer have rights to protect myself.

That’s it? There’s no like call the cops cause they’re gonna help the citizen. It’s take a citizen off the streets or say that it isn’t their responsibility. Those are the only two options. And I find that horrible. I think there’s a joke here, but I can’t figure it out. The idea that like, if you watch, like, if you’re, if you, if you don’t believe that police brutality exists, just watch any episode of cops. Every episode of cops is like the cops, like to the last one I watched was a guy got caught in the fence, running from the cops.

And then they made fun of him for 20 minutes without helping them. I’m not unconfident that like his leg is like permanently injured because you guys like cotton offense. And they just, they told him he shouldn’t have ran rather than helped him.

Speaker 2 (25m 15s): And

Speaker 0 (25m 16s): That’s low key police brutality. And,

Speaker 2 (25m 18s): And they’re supposed to, they’re supposed to give medical aid if someone’s injured. And I I’ve seen tape of people dying while they were supposed to get medical aid,

Speaker 0 (25m 28s): Knock a guy down and then yell at him for making you push him down. It’s high, key bullying and low key police brutality or vice versa.

Speaker 2 (25m 36s): Yeah. I mean, I, I tend to think that not all police play that way. I’ve seen instances where police have assisted. And I also have friends who have been police, some of the most prejudice people that I know that’ll tell you, and they’re all far right wing. But at the same time, I do think there are some dedicated people in the police force.

Speaker 0 (26m 2s): And I appreciate the political thing. And I’ll remove that like that. Like, and I’m not saying I’m against cops. I’m saying, if you watch the show cops, I didn’t name it. If you watch the show, cops, every episode is some form of bullying.

Speaker 2 (26m 15s): I’m sure being on the road, you’ve seen your share of episodes

Speaker 0 (26m 19s): And this is no political. I’m not putting any political, anything on it. I’m just telling you if you watch the show, it is very clearly. If you had to, like, if you had to like explain to a child, what bullying is, you would just throw on an episode of cops and maybe, and I’m sure I’m sure cops are doing great things, but I don’t know what they filmed, but the show is a pretty, pretty clear case of a bullying.

Speaker 2 (26m 39s): Yeah, indeed. It’s been a while, but the ones I’ve seen, I will agree with you. So let’s go back to comedy for a second. Who are some of your role models in comedy both past and present?

Speaker 0 (26m 52s): It’s really hard to say because it’s like, when you don’t know what something is, right. I don’t have a good example is I’ve never, I’ve never been, I’ve never been, I’ve never figured out how to, how to say what I want to say. But if you don’t have a good example of the thing, because you’re brand new, like I’m, I’m, I I’ve never done comedy when you’re a kid, you don’t think George Carlin is fantastic. You don’t understand comedy, right? Like just like people that are in a comedy, like they loved Dane cook because it wasn’t really proficient comedy. It was fun and entertaining.

And it’s like, you know, it’s like the, it’s like the pad Thai as a perfect example. It’s like the pad Thai of comedy, Dan cook, everybody loves it. Everybody loves it. And it’s not, it’s not difficult. It’s not culinarily challenging. Right. And so you start off loving pad Thai and you know, eventually you move on to red Curry and Patsy you, and it’s just the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (27m 49s): You do need to come to Thailand if, for no other reason to eat the real stuff.

Speaker 0 (27m 54s): Yes. And that’s my point. It’s, that’s why it’s a good example. It’s like, it’s like brisket to brisket for people

Speaker 2 (28m 0s): To, by the way.

Speaker 0 (28m 2s): Yes. Well, listen, I’m on my way. So make room on your couch. So

Speaker 2 (28m 7s): Absolutely. But

Speaker 0 (28m 8s): The

Speaker 2 (28m 9s): Thing is, would love to hang out

Speaker 0 (28m 11s): When you don’t have any information to inform you. You think that bad things are good. So I started liking bad comedy and I’m embarrassed by who I liked, but who I like now are good comedians

Speaker 2 (28m 25s): Who impresses you today?

Speaker 0 (28m 29s): Tim Dylan, bill Burr. Some of these are, you know, all this obvious choice, but drew Michael, these are all people that are, and that are challenging. The art form, Tim Delan has figured out how to have the right and the left like him for different reasons. And I think that’s brilliant, especially right now, because right now you have to pick a side and that’s what people are doing. You don’t already have an established fan base. Now that we’re so far apart on the left and right thing, you have to pick a side and then just try to like eat whatever’s left, you know? And Tim Dolan has figured out that like the right, does it understand what he’s doing?

So they take him literally and the left understands what he’s doing. And so they take him as, as satire. And maybe he’s neither, but both like him. And they both like them for different reasons. And that’s brilliant. So the lab thinks that he’s, that he’s like saying things that he means the opposite and the right things. He means it because he means it.

Speaker 2 (29m 23s): I’ve heard some really good political comedy over the years. And I watch bill Maher every week. And I think he’s still brilliant. Although he does rubbed me the wrong way about a lot of things, especially some of his views on COVID and down talking people who are overweight. Like

Speaker 0 (29m 43s): I also don’t think he’s pro sex work.

Speaker 2 (29m 45s): No, he isn’t. No, no. He is not.

Speaker 0 (29m 48s): He’s kind of a sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (29m 50s): Yeah. He is John and John Oliver is a lot more open. In fact, he did an episode. I don’t know if you saw the episode that John Oliver did on, on sex work and it was wrong. Well, his show was brilliant though. I mean,

Speaker 0 (30m 5s): John Minaj before he got canceled, had a really good show that, that, that hit the, the other side of a lot of things that I never understood. He did such a good job. I don’t know if he touched it in there, but anybody who’s doing stuff about sex work I’m for that. And I just got a question. Who’s the most sex positive late night show host

Speaker 2 (30m 22s): Either Cole bear or Trevor Noah probably. But those are the two that I’ve probably watched the most. And I haven’t, I haven’t been watching late night comedy just like I haven’t been watching news because ever since January 6th I’ve really been avoiding us politics. I’m just so disgusted by everything. You know, I love Dan. I scanned the New York times. I watch Mar and I watch all of her and I get little bits and pieces there. But other than that, I’ve just kind of put my head in the sand because it’s so disgusting.

It’s fair.

Speaker 0 (30m 54s): Who, you know, who I think you’ll love. Hmm. Cause they cause they, they, they add a little lightness to the, to the problem is the good liars is a guy I went to college with and he got a partner and they they’re, they’re three movies deep. And they’re, you know, they’re, they’re on various platforms and various levels of actually being invested in. But so they’re under the radar a little bit, but they, they basically go to these rallies and they troll the people. And so they’ll go to the, they’ll go to the January

Speaker 2 (31m 21s): Reunion

Speaker 0 (31m 22s): And there’ll be like, what are, what are you guys talking about? And they’ll, and th these, these people will be like, oh, we’re celebrating January six. And they go, oh, were you there? And then they go, no, that was Antifa dressed as us. And we’re like, well, and so, and they do such a good job of walking the line of being like, I’m interviewing you, but also exposing that you’re absurd.

Speaker 2 (31m 44s): Think of the guy who used to be on the daily show, but he’s got his own show on comedy central now. And he does that stuff all the time. That’s pretty much his stick is to like Trump, Trump rallies.

Speaker 0 (31m 58s): Is he, does he have his own show?

Speaker 2 (31m 60s): Yeah. He, well, he did

Speaker 0 (32m 1s): Really good at that white guy. Weird hair.

Speaker 2 (32m 3s): Yeah.

Speaker 0 (32m 4s): I didn’t know, you know, honcho,

Speaker 2 (32m 6s): I don’t know if he has weird hair. He’s pretty normal hair. But anyway, this guy used to be on the daily. He used to be, he used to be on the daily show and, and he’s got his own bit and that’s pretty much his shtick is going to go to Trump rallies and asking questions and going, oh yeah, I agree. Oh definitely. And then he’ll say something and the person who’s obviously a complete Nutter. Moron will look at him.

Speaker 0 (32m 31s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32m 32s): And he doesn’t know if he’s being insulted or what, and he’s definitely being insulted.

Speaker 0 (32m 37s): So

Speaker 2 (32m 38s): I wish I could think of his name, but I can’t think of it right now. And he’s,

Speaker 0 (32m 43s): I’m trying to figure, I’m trying to I’m on the website. He was,

Speaker 2 (32m 45s): He was wanting to Trevor Noah’s lieutenants who, who did a lot of that stuff. And then they, they, he had his own, his own gig. So

Speaker 0 (32m 54s): He has his own show.

Speaker 2 (32m 56s): So you went from comedy to acting or acting to comedy.

Speaker 0 (33m 0s): Really? What happened was not a lot of money in comedy. So you go, what else can I do? And you know, to be a good comedian, you gotta be able to do a myriad of things. And one of those things obviously is that you gotta be able to sell what your jokes are. So I had an opportunity to do, honestly, most of the stuff you read off is like stuff that I did as a comedian or some level of like, yeah, Klepper, that’s his name? Jordan, Jordan

Speaker 2 (33m 30s): Klepper, Jordan Klepper

Speaker 0 (33m 32s): Show. That’s fantastic.

Speaker 2 (33m 33s): He is good.

Speaker 0 (33m 34s): Same vibe, except he comes at it like he’s. So that’s a perfect example we talked about before. It’s like, he’s not afraid of violence. He’s going to say what he means. And it’s funny. And it seems like he should be getting punched in the face more. And I do think he has weird

Speaker 2 (33m 48s): Hair. Absolutely.

Speaker 0 (33m 51s): I realizing that. I mean, it’s not, it’s not it’s it’s and it’s, and I wish it came in this business with a better business sense, but it’s like, you might have people who want to go to comedy clubs and the men here that want to see comedy is very limited. Whereas I think it’s a little, like the numbers thing. It’s like, it’s like 6.4 million or something, something I just put in a business plan. And the people that want to like watch movies is way more. So you’re like, okay, I guess I should do that. That seems, that seems more important. But most of the shows I was on, I was trying to either be a community and be funny, or get no notice for being a comedian so that the fame that I would get elsewhere would then put me in a position to do more comedy.

That’s really what it is. Sure. So that’s really what it comes down to

Speaker 2 (34m 38s): What attributes that you comic, sorry,

Speaker 0 (34m 42s): 17 million. I just looked it up and move on my business. 17 million people visit comedy clubs a year out of what do we have? 380 million in the U S 17 million.

Speaker 2 (34m 54s): I used to go all the time when I lived there.

Speaker 0 (34m 56s): And so it’s a small, really is a small sector of people. And it’s like,

Speaker 2 (35m 1s): Yeah, I got a lot of free tickets. Cause I worked for the radio

Speaker 0 (35m 4s): And they’re trying to keep here. Yeah. The gen bring you there. But

Speaker 2 (35m 7s): Well also because I worked in radio, so even the ones that wouldn’t normally be free, I always got free tickets. I CA I don’t think I’ve ever paid to go to a comedy club. Yeah, no, I don’t think I ever have,

Speaker 0 (35m 21s): And I’ve never paid for my porn. Okay. I’m just kidding.

Speaker 2 (35m 25s): I, I, I was in radio 21 years, so

Speaker 0 (35m 28s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35m 30s): So what attributes that you have as a comic help you as an actor, we

Speaker 0 (35m 35s): Love to hang on to this thing. We go, we go, bill Burr says it on, on, on interviews. We’ve said it about Robin Williams. We love this idea as comedians that like teach comedy. And so being funny is like more important. So it’s like, but at the same time, like you can obviously write something funny and the actor can deliver it because they’re an empty vessel. Right. So they can just be funny for that moment, but you can’t use comedy, but you can teach somebody how to act or be like dramatic. So we hang onto this idea whether it’s true or not. And so the idea that like a comedian makes a better dramatic actor, longterm might be true, you know, and as a comedian, what you do need to do is you need to have empathy.

You need to understand how to dive into like a character, maybe in your story. And you have to figure out point of view and you have to figure out how, you know, a myriad of people feel right. In a particular situation. So we’re more in touch with your feelings. We’re more in touch with like, we’re like where people Watchers, right. We comedians a lot of times are good impersonators. So there is an element of like, how do I understand humans more? Which is a good thing. I think good actors can do that too.

Right? You have to understand how somebody would, would react or be in a situation. And for communities, it’s kind of like, it’s like our obsession. It’s our unconscious obsession

Speaker 2 (36m 54s): Makes sense. You know, you’ve mentioned Robin Williams, Robin, Billy, crystal, some, some of the other great. Do any of those have an impact on, on your style?

Speaker 0 (37m 6s): Sure. So my style honestly was like a combination of like Wendy Liebman and then probably bill Cosby and bill Cosby is a great, but it’s hard because now you’re like, all my idols from the eighties have a, have a court case now, you know? And so you’re in this, you’re in this spot where you’re like, cool. Do I say,

Speaker 2 (37m 24s): Yeah, when you say bill cost me now, it’s not like, when you said bill Cosby 15 years ago.

Speaker 0 (37m 29s): Right. Right. And, and yeah. And it’s a, it’s a really bad word and it’s tough. And then it also, it’s a question you have inside yourself. You’re like, how come everybody, I liked as a child was a pervert. What does that say about me? And for me, maybe that maybe that informs why I have the podcast. Right. Myles literally Pee-wee Herman Michael Jackson, bill Cosby. So it’s like, what’s going on with me. So I always liked that bill Cosby didn’t laugh at his own jokes. So when I started doing comedy, I was doing that. And then the more I do comedy, like I said, like, I’m not eating pad Thai anymore.

I watch a comedian laugh at his own jokes and find it that as a useful mechanism for comedy. And you know, and then, and then when you leave, men was big with like wordplay and, and, and all of the female comedians that came after honestly were, she was one of the best who never kind of made it. And everybody kind of ripped off her.

Speaker 2 (38m 21s): I only know, I know her name. I can’t say I’ve seen her act.

Speaker 0 (38m 25s): Right. Because, and then somewhere in the middle of when she was about, when she was getting big, she stopped and had a family and that’s admirable and that’s great. And that’s all the things, but for whatever judgment you want to say, it hurt her career. By taking a break, you can’t take a break from the thing you’re great at. You can go play baseball when you’re the greatest basketball player of all time, you can’t do it. You have to stay in your lane and win championships. And so, yeah, my favorite,

Speaker 2 (38m 50s): Michael Michael, one another title though.

Speaker 0 (38m 53s): My favorite comedian quit comedy for a little while. And she did it for way. Well, he only, he was only gone for like 18 months. She was gone for like 10 years. Maybe, maybe 18 years. I don’t know.

Speaker 2 (39m 1s): That’s a long time. Yeah. That’s, that’s a, that’s a really, really long time. One of my favorite comics was Sam Kennison.

Speaker 0 (39m 10s): Well, and that’s a good example. I don’t know. W w I know I got cut off here. I don’t know if I got cut off, I’m going to reiterate my point, same candidates in Belushi Hartman. What does it say about my industry that, that so many of our greats like died in tragic, horrible ways when you’re talking to murder, suicide, drug overdoses, crazy, awful things. What does it say about my industry? Like people are like, play baseball are not dying of murder, suicide, and like fentanyl overdoses. You know what I mean? And, or just regular old school, heroin overdoses.

I am working in an industry that is driving people to do extra ordinary things. And that’s what we live amongst is, is those types of people in those types of environments. So that’s the, you know, that’s the industry. So Sam Kinison is icon, not necessarily before my time, but more like he was before everyone’s time. Cause he was five minutes. He was five minutes. Mitch Hedberg was five minutes. Right? That’s all they had. They were on, they were, they were misunderstood. Geniuses and Lenny Bruce and well, Lenny Bruce is I put Lenny Bruce at the, at the threshold of like Playboy hustler, all those things.

He was the first person challenging our way of understanding and obscenity. We took it to the Supreme court. We know those things, honestly. And I hate to say this, but like a good portion of Lenny boomers, his career, he wasn’t funny. He was just reading police reports because he was pissed off, you know, and even Carlin, you know, understood as one of the geniuses. If you look at his stats, like, like, like beat for beat, laugh for laugh, he’s not getting laughs. He’s more doing lists and saying rhyming couplets and all these things. So we can chunk through heavy material to get to his point.

And it’s like, we’ve got to have these bigger discussions. What’s more important is like changing the game or just getting a lot of laughs you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40m 57s): Yeah. I agree.

Speaker 0 (40m 58s): And it’s like, Jeff Dunham gets cheap. Laughs. And he goes in any Cassius of the checks, Larry, the cable guy, Cassius checks, man. He’s he makes the most money. And it’s like, should we be mad at that? I don’t know.

Speaker 2 (41m 11s): You know, it’s kinda like he’s, he’s kinda like the Kenny G of comedy. I really liked jazz, but Kenny G holds notes and I have, I have a lot of friends in the jazz business and I think a lot of them are really resentful of Kenny G because he makes so much money and he’s not as talented as they are.

Speaker 0 (41m 36s): That’s the artist’s struggle, man. Do you want to be, do you get categorized and just be the thing and then you just collect checks or do you change the game and you do evolve. So it’s that and that’s the artist struggle. Do you want to make money or do you want to have integrity? And that’s it, you don’t this the crossroads, you know, can’t do anything else. And it’s like brisket. It’s just like brisket. And I like using this a lot because I love barbecue and good brisk. It has a lot of fat on it, but most people don’t want to eat the fat because they don’t understand what fat is or how it works metabolically. And there’s a bad word around fat. So you have to make your brisket be shitty if you want to sell a lot of it.

So do you want to make a brisket for 13 hours and sell it to two people? Or do you want to sell the fuck out of brisket and the interests you want to sell the fuck out of brisket? So you hold notes or whatever the Kenny G jazz thing is that he’s doing

Speaker 2 (42m 22s): Well. That makes total sense. So finally I noticed in your bio that you’re a dog lover like myself. We have six, by the way,

Speaker 0 (42m 33s): How does that work?

Speaker 2 (42m 35s): It doesn’t, it’s amazing. We’ve kept them quiet for this long muzzles. Come in handy. There’s so many homeless dogs here and we’ve, we’ve adopted so many from

Speaker 0 (42m 46s): You have enough places to put them

Speaker 2 (42m 49s): Kinda.

Speaker 0 (42m 52s): You’re like, yeah, I got a California king so I can sleep with my new,

Speaker 2 (42m 59s): I leave that to the wife anyway. So you’re quite involved in animal charities. Talk a little bit about animal rights and the plight of animals in the world.

Speaker 0 (43m 7s): Oh man. It’s like, it’s taken a hit because in-person stuff took a hit. And then after that, it’s like, I don’t like the, the, the big place that I was involved in, they were, you know, they were like, they became the, one of the big things where they were doing a vet clinic. In-person you show up and you get low price shots. You can get bay neutering for cheap to no money. And also a lot of those things got kind of pulled away because it’s like, we barely care about people right now. So the last, so then like governmentally, we don’t care about animals.

So that’s where we’re at. It’s like animals are the first thing to kind of get pulled away from. And that’s really frustrating. And I’m a single dog that I have. And by that, I mean, I’m, I’m single and I have a dog, but also I only have one dog, which it’s kind of like Cosby used to say to my parents is like, if you only have one, if you only have one kid, you’re not really a parent. If you have one kid in the house and somebody, and something’s broken, you know, who broke it? And that like takes like the, all of the struggle out of parenting. And so I’ve only ever had one dog and she’s obsessed with me and I’m obsessed with her.

So I don’t really know what it would be like to have six dogs. I don’t know if I would be a good,

Speaker 2 (44m 18s): I don’t know.

Speaker 0 (44m 19s): I don’t. And I don’t know if I’d be a good animal. Parents is extinct. I don’t know if I have the bandwidth. You know,

Speaker 2 (44m 25s): It’s a lot of, like I said, the wife helps a lot.

Speaker 0 (44m 28s): Yeah. But I do want a farm. I want all the things I want all the animals. So I think there’s part of me that can do it. I actually do think other than the things I’ve said, I think we’re at a good place in animal welfare because we don’t live in a society anymore over here in the U S that puts dogs outside and just expects them to like fend for themselves. And that’s a small win or a big one, but it’s a win. There used to be this idea. You just put your dog outside and if they freeze to death, he got a skirt. It’s a dog. What are you going to do

Speaker 2 (44m 55s): Here? It’s a little bit, it’s a little bit different. Sadly. We do have to have two, our two puppies outside because otherwise one of our dogs will kill them. But the weather’s what the weather’s really pretty good out here. And they, they have ways of staying cool. So

Speaker 0 (45m 13s): Good. Let me tell you what’s happened here as a, as a by-product of this thing is that dogs because they have no tasks anymore. Dogs used to be things like we created dogs to be obedient creatures. You know, whether you want like, like people will get offended by this, but like, that’s what they are is not my words. It’s like, it’s like, I should have duck. You go get the duck, you bring it back to me. That’s what we made them for. That’s what we brought them to do. Right. And so we don’t have that anymore over here. So what we have is you, you let you, you go in my purse and you watch me. Fuck. And you hope that your next that’s what we have.

We’ve created that that’s the byproduct of what we’ve done. My dog thinks she’s my wife, or she’s going to, or she’s next. She thinks she’s going to marry me. That’s what she feels because we did, we’re doing something wrong. I don’t make her go get stuff out of, you know, it’s like, I could teach her to like open the fridge and get me a beer. Right. But I don’t, we just hang out together and watch Netflix.

Speaker 2 (46m 4s): Yup. Now we love our dogs. We love our dogs and we, yeah. We treat them. We treat them like our babies too. So I get it.

Speaker 0 (46m 11s): The dogs are confused. They don’t know. They don’t understand what they’re supposed to do now. They’re like, I, my entire Jeanette, yeah. My entire genetic vibe is to, is to be your obedient creature. And you’re not asking me to do shit.

Speaker 2 (46m 23s): They’re here to sleep and they do it and they do it extremely well.

Speaker 0 (46m 28s): Good.

Speaker 2 (46m 29s): Well, Dan, this has been a pleasure. I really want to thank you for being our guests today on adults. I broker talk and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 0 (46m 38s): And I hope we got this one too.

Speaker 2 (46m 40s): I hope so. My broker tip today is part four of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, trademark your site, having a trademark instantly protects your brand and makes your site more valuable. When it comes time to sell it trademarking, your site will cost Navage of about $1,500, but should be worth more than the investment. When it comes time to sell it, show buyers ways you feel the site can make more money in the future. This includes showing them future plans. You may have traffic trends as well as sales trends.

If things are growing and you can show them how to grow it more, they’re likely to be willing to pay more for the site. Do something unique with your site. If you have competitors, figure a way to do it better, be different in some distinguishable way that makes you better. Your members will notice and spend more money with you. Make your site a place that people want to visit. Not just to buy things or view porn, be creative, not just one of many. Keep thinking outside the box and make positive changes to your site.

Think like a buyer when planning or updating your site. Don’t think like a tech think like the consumer. We’ll talk about this subject more next week. And next week we’ll be speaking with performer, Coralyn Jewel. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Dan Frigolette. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Carly David of PS Group.

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Now let’s feature our property the week that’s for sale at adult site broker, we’re proud to offer for sale. A growing sex doll site started in 2016. It’s grown to over 2 million in annual revenue. The owner is focused and invested heavily into SEO for the site, making sure it consistently ranks at the top in the search engines for the main industry keywords as a result, most of the traffic and sales are organic coming from people who have searched for sex dolls on Google.

Other strong sales channels are the 25,000 plus person email list and an affiliate program. The owner has developed relationships with the best manufacturers. The products are drop shipped directly from the manufacturer to the customer. The store has hundreds of five star reviews on the website and on third-party sites. The store currently has no employees aside from the owner who works only 10 to 15 hours a week on the business. SEO is handled by an agency. This is a business that can be grown by a company with experience in the novelties field.

Only 2.7, $2 million. Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today on adult side, broker talk is Carly David of PS group currently. Thanks for being with us today on adult site. Broker talk

Speaker 2 (2m 45s): Pleasure is mine.

Speaker 1 (2m 47s): Oh no, it’s mine. We can go back and forth on that one. So Thank you. So with over 15 years experience in mainstream marketing, former worker, Carly David originally began her career in film and TV before transitioning to ad agencies. Over the years, she’s collaborated with one of Adweek’s top advertising execs of the decade Australia’s marketer of the year BAFTA and Sundance film festival nominees, fortune 100 companies cause marketers and Hollywood directors.

Her areas of expertise include campaign strategy, branding, website, design, and SEO. Carly currently resides in Mexico with her dog Bodie P S groups mascot, by the way, at any given moment, she can be found not working on her memoir, which I want to read. That sounds exciting. She was educated at Columbia university. PS group is a creative agency for the adult industry and is comprised primarily of current or retired sex workers.

Yay for you. Their team comes from all over north America, or as well as the UK, their services include website, design, branding, and graphic design strategy, copywriting, SEO, and social media marketing. They take a very holistic approach to their work and encourage their clients to learn not just the what but the why, which I totally agree with their clients have gone on to win awards, create successful podcasts, develop a support collective for sex worker rights again, and become educators themselves.

Well, Carly had just talked a bit about your background and by the way, did you, did you like your commercial there?

Speaker 2 (4m 35s): I’m exhausted just hearing it.

Speaker 1 (4m 38s): Yeah. Usually after a long bio like that, I’ll say, and thank you for being with us today. That’s all the time we have. So

Speaker 2 (4m 44s): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (4m 46s): I talked a bit about your background. It sounds like quite a journey. Tell us about the jury

Speaker 2 (4m 52s): Journey is, is definitely one way to put it it’s been a bizarre trajectory, but for some reason it has actually come completely full circle for me at school in college, I majored in English and human rights and went into entertainment and then advertising and marketing. And now I swore to combine all three and it’s just, you know, w I was reviewing the questions that we had discussed earlier.

And I was like, wow, I have the most amazing job ever, but let me tell you, I’ve gone through quite a few jobs that were not amazing. So it’s, it’s definitely been a journey for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (5m 39s): Yeah. Now, now you mentioned to me, and I mentioned in the bio, you’re a former sex worker at what point in your life was that

Speaker 2 (5m 49s): That was actually, while I was working in advertising agencies, I sort of had this very bizarre film noir, double life going. I just, I’ve learned so much about psychology and people. And I mean, it was a very different time. It was probably about 10 years ago and the industry has changed drastically. I mean, the world has changed drastically, so I’m just really happy to have found this industry.

And, you know, mainstream never really felt right. It never really fit for me. So once I found this industry, I was like, I’m home.

Speaker 1 (6m 33s): Yeah, yeah. I get ya. Now, you, you alluded to it, but tell me the story of how you got into the adult industry.

Speaker 2 (6m 42s): Oh, wow. That was very interesting. Well, I had actually known sex workers pretty much since I was an adult, like in college, which again, very different time. And it just kept people just entered my life at different points who were a part of this industry. And eventually I decided, you know what, this is something I want to explore. And I was very fortunate that it was not because I needed something to survive.

I didn’t necessarily depend on it for my livelihood. It was something that I was doing for very personal growth reasons. And that, that again is a very privileged place to be. But I’ve found that it was more fulfilling and gratifying than being in a mainstream corporate environment.

Speaker 1 (7m 47s): Okay. So, I mean, were you a performer or were you working as an escort or do you want to talk about it?

Speaker 2 (7m 53s): I was full service. I was supposed to service in New York city. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (7m 57s): Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (7m 58s): Wow. So it was definitely a, it was definitely a double life, you know, VP by day lady of the night. And it was, it was a time where the online and digital sex work wasn’t as prominent. I would say it wasn’t as accessible and it wasn’t as sophisticated as it is now. So that was the niche that I was exposed to first. So that’s sort of where I made my entry and then it, it no longer was something that was, I feel like as you grow and evolve in your life as a person, as a professional, you know, as a sex worker, that there are chapters as with any career.

And it just got to a point where I was like, you know what? I feel that the next challenge for me is helping other sex workers.

Speaker 1 (8m 56s): Sure, sure. Now, now you said you had personal reasons that that helped, I think believed the words you said were, were fulfilling. Anything you wanna share about that?

Speaker 2 (9m 10s): I got to say it was a way to connect with individuals in a very unusually intimate way. And when, I mean intimate, I mean, people bearing their souls. People can fighting you and trusting you. And that’s a huge responsibility. And being able to have a positive impact on someone’s life after they have taken that leap of faith in trusting you that way, it’s, it, it meant more to me than any old envelope for real.

It really did. And it continues to. So that’s really, that’s part of why I do what I do is that, you know, it’s amazing to see your work recognized. It’s so much more amazing indescribable feeling to see the people we work with getting their work recognized.

Speaker 1 (10m 9s): That’s what it’s all about. That is what it’s all about. So I, I mentioned before, we may have a little barking in the background, only six dogs. What can I say? We talked about that before we went on, what is P S group?

Speaker 2 (10m 26s): So Pittsburgh has gone through a variety of incarnations and I could not be happier with where we are today. We are basically a traditional creative ad agency. We just work exclusively with sex workers. And for the vast majority, we are sex workers or we’re either current or retire and where people who genuinely care about the community and really want to, I mean, I know it’s a cliche term, but you know, to really empower our peers and to really make a dent in our future, as an industry, shift the needle and just keep changing the game and making everything that we do in terms of marketing, just one notch, better, one notch, more informed, one notch, more creative, one notch, pushing the envelope and just making sure that we don’t just say sex workers work.

We live that we walk that

Speaker 1 (11m 36s): If I’m a potential client and I’m looking at you and I’m looking at a firm that isn’t run by sex workers,

Speaker 2 (11m 45s): Why

Speaker 1 (11m 46s): Should they go with PS group?

Speaker 2 (11m 48s): That’s always a good question. And it’s something I should

Speaker 1 (11m 50s): Probably, that’s why I asked it.

Speaker 2 (11m 53s): Yeah. And it’s, I should have my elevator pitch ready, you know, but I mean, beyond our differentiator that this was our world, like, this is what we do. I would also say the quality of our work speaks for itself. And we’re always just trying to produce better and better and better and more creative and more thought provoking and more really effective.

I mean, it’s great to have really pretty work, but if it’s not going to convert, if it’s not going to propel you towards your end goal and objectives, then it’s just pretty work.

Speaker 1 (12m 36s): Right. Right. Yeah. And you know, what’s interesting. And you, you know, we, we’ve been communicating a lot by email and you were talking about, you said, well, we haven’t won awards, but our clients have won lots of awards. And my reply was, well, that’s what it’s all about. And you know, what’s interesting. And I, I come from the radio world. I was in radio for 21 years and I’ll never forget all these ad agencies that were totally ineffective, but they won all these awards.

And the whole thing was all about who could be the cutest, who could be the one that, that puts out the ad that, you know, the client spent the most money on and won an award. But when it comes right down to it, the important thing is results.

Speaker 2 (13m 27s): Exactly, exactly. I mean, the ideal piece of work is going to transcend just creative. It is not only going to convert and be effective, but it also becomes something that’s larger than just an ad or a website. It becomes about something that is relevant to all of us and something that makes us think.

And hopefully one day something that changes things, you know, I mean, I would say that Nike does this really well, is that, and frankly, the ad agency who does most of Nike’s work is an inspiration for PS group. And I think the fact that they’re able to tackle, not just a sales pitch within the quality of creative, but also really be a vehicle for social change.

And I think they, they’ve had a very good track record of, of work that rallies people in a way that inspires you. And I, that’s what we, we really strive to produce here.

Speaker 1 (14m 54s): Yeah. Now, besides what I just shared, what other services does PS group offer?

Speaker 2 (15m 0s): Well, we actually are adding more social media platforms. So as of may, we are, we’re currently offering Reddit soon. We’ll be offering discord marketing, and we do sometimes offer bespoke packages for other platforms. But for the most part, we focus on those platforms that in our opinion has the most potential for longevity. Sure. So, and I’m sure we’re going to touch on this a little bit.

When we dive deeper, I really want to aim for, you know, editorial and creative and, and everything that we’ve really already touched on, but so we will have photography and we have played with the idea of, we do have a music producer. Sometimes we’ll do custom music tracks that you own in entirety.

Speaker 1 (15m 55s): Wow. That’s nice. Now I shouldn’t give the standard disclaimer, we’re taught, we’re doing this April 29th and this whole run in August. So yeah. A lot of this will be happening. Then tell me what a typical day looks like when w when, when a, Podcaster’s not keeping you up late to do an interview. That is,

Speaker 2 (16m 16s): I would say, I mean, every day is different yet. Exactly the same. There’s always the firefighting projects you have to attend to immediately. And I typically have about four to five zooms a day with clients and with team members and, you know, vendors and things of that nature. So I’m, I’m on zoom a lot.

The pandemic was actually sort of business as usual for me, because I work from home. Our entire team is remote. So the only tricky thing is the, the time differences because we have

Speaker 1 (17m 4s): Just,

Speaker 2 (17m 6s): Yeah. You know, more. Yeah, absolutely. So, so it’s a lot of zooms and then it will be, I am by August, I will be working less and less on active projects and more focusing on the trajectory of PS group and operations and business development. But as of right now, I’m finishing up a bunch of sites because I have been our lead website designer until, until recently.

And what else I do a lot of SEO work. So there’s a lot of keyword researching. There’s a lot of data analysis and a lot of motivational pep talks to clients for summaries. For some reason, we have a lot of pep talks here. And I don’t know, I tend to speak in memes, which is very odd, but you know, Bruce, if you ever need the leg down at halftime, we’re in the locker room with Denzel Washington telling you to go kill those, you know, the football team out there.

We’re gonna, we’ll take care of you. We’ll take you for, we got you.

Speaker 1 (18m 23s): You don’t know how much I appreciate that

Speaker 2 (18m 25s): For sure. Just don’t do it in the middle of my night, please.

Speaker 1 (18m 29s): Well, you won’t get it properly. So why is marketing strategy or plan so important for adult performers?

Speaker 2 (18m 39s): I feel, I mean, first of all, I think I have trouble, perhaps just because of my background coming from more traditional corporate environments, that I’m not quite sure how to approach running a business without a marketing plan. I mean, if I don’t know where I’m going, then I don’t know what the next step is to get there. If I don’t have an end goal in mind, if I don’t have objectives for, we always ask our clients, when they’re coming on board, what are your short-term goals?

Where do you want to be in six months? What are your, what’s your five-year plan? You know, what are these, why did you get into this industry to begin with and what is going to make it a success for you? So I would say the biggest thing is that if you don’t start with a foundation, you’re not going to be able to execute in a way that will be, that will really have an ROI on everything you’re doing.

It’s not gonna be able to help you to grow. You’re not gonna, you’re not going to grow as a person. You’re not gonna grow as a business, and you’re not going to be able to achieve those goals regardless of whether you’ve identified them or not. So we definitely are proponents for everything starts with strategy. And then it turns into a, how do I execute this?

Speaker 1 (20m 16s): Hmm. So what are your feelings about social media as a marketing tool?

Speaker 2 (20m 22s): I’m actually very, I’m very torn on using social media for marketing personally. I am not a social media person. I get extraordinarily social media awkward and, and I just, I don’t use it in my personal life. And, you know, I do a bit grudgingly for work, but I feel like I, I did not grow up with Instagram, so I don’t really get it.

And that is why we have a social media manager on our team because she’s fabulous and she knows. And so I just let her go and let her stay out of her way because she knows. And you know, that’s also part of a team is that you all have your specialties, but to return to the initial question, I think it’s a very volatile time for that because, because obviously the, just the current landscape in the tech world, I mean, as we’re recording this, you know, Musk literally just bought Twitter.

So we have no idea what the future is going to be. We don’t know what the future is going to be for Twitter. We don’t know what the future is going to be for the industry. We don’t know what the future is going to be for the world at large.

Speaker 1 (21m 49s): So,

Speaker 2 (21m 51s): Yeah. I mean, if you had said three,

Speaker 1 (21m 53s): Well, we’re kind of in good, we’re kind of in a good shape though, because I, data for Russia is going to bomb Thailand or Mexico. So

Speaker 2 (22m 1s): Yeah. But I mean, butterfly effect, you know, slapping wings.

Speaker 1 (22m 6s): That was a, that was a little bit of a, that was a little bit of a joke, but yeah, indeed.

Speaker 2 (22m 12s): I know. I mean, I think also there’s the concept that just because you can say something on social media, you know, is it really right to say it like, should you say it? And I think because of the nature of social media and also the nature of the world right now that we’re all, you know, hooked into a virtual sense of living and surviving that, you know, it’s very tempting to overshare and forget that it is a marketing tool.

And so it has to be approached with strategy the same way that you would developing a search engine optimization plan. It has to be addressed in plans the same way that you would build a website. You can’t just throw something up there and see if it sticks because I mean, social media more than anything is just it’s forever. So yes. So I encourage people and, you know, performers in this industry and everyone really to just put the pause button on before, before something is posted, make sure,

Speaker 1 (23m 32s): I think before think beef think before you post yeah,

Speaker 2 (23m 36s): Absolutely. Is this furthering my goals or is this mean venting? If your brand is venting and it works for you then, you know, by all means that’s a business decision and that’s furthering your marketing, you know, but I would say very few people are consciously deciding on that style of brand.

Speaker 1 (24m 1s): Well, yeah. I mean, how, how often does somebody pay someone to do their social media and then screw it up with one of their posts?

Speaker 2 (24m 11s): Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I trust my social media manager because she collaborated,

Speaker 1 (24m 18s): I’m talking about, I’m talking about the person who owns the account.

Speaker 2 (24m 22s): Oh yes, yes, absolutely. Yes. I get that. You’d be surprised. You’d be surprised, but I mean, it’s all, it’s all a learning lesson, isn’t it?

Speaker 1 (24m 36s): Oh, it is. It is. And I’ve ever since January 6th, 20, 21, I’ve backed away considerably from social media, but that’s a whole other story.

Speaker 2 (24m 51s): Our thing is that like our clients don’t pay us to sit on social media for us. They pay us to do their work. So I am, I’ll keep an eye on Twitter, but I don’t post nearly as much as I should for promotional reasons. But to be fair, I’m a little busy and that’s what we should be. We should be doing the jobs that we, that we want and have, and that we’re working so hard on.

So yeah,

Speaker 1 (25m 26s): That’s the whole idea. So what do you think the future is of adult marketing?

Speaker 2 (25m 33s): I think it would be arrogant to presume. I know because I don’t and no one does really. I can say what I hope it is and where I think it’s going. I have been advising our clients for years now, get your email marketing in place. Now work on your SEO now because both of those are very long gestation periods.

You’ll have to really work on them for quite a while, for them to be as effective and beneficial as they can really be. We’ve been really fortunate with our clients that they’ve really taken that to heart. And I get so excited every time I get a newsletter from one of them, I would say that we’re just going to keep as an industry, like going up a notch and going up a notch and going up and really just getting more and more creative, more and more sophisticated with our efforts.

I think we’re going to use data a lot more. The people that you hear talking about their analytics. Now, ironically, I’m seeing this on Twitter, but I think the people who are really we’re really embracing that because to be fair, the adult industry is we’re slightly antiquated with our tools because of how we’re limited by the outside world.

You know, the facts that we’re not eligible for a lot of things that mainstream marketers can do, but also because we’re sort of, you know, for better, for worse, we’re a little underground. So we, the communication opportunities to share are, are less than they are in a mainstream world. So I think the information is just not as accessible and that’s something that like me and my team are really are really trying to work on is to provide resources and to disseminate information and try to provide as much free education as we can.

So I think the future of adult marketing is, is going to be, it’s going to be bigger. It is going to be more thought-provoking I think. And I think it’s probably going to look a lot like mainstream marketing is just happens to be for the adult industry.

Speaker 1 (28m 18s): Yeah. Yeah. And I think, and I think as time goes on, despite all the negative noise from outside, what governments are trying to do the grand standing of certain politicians, which there seem to be more every day mainstream and adult as time goes on, seems to be coming closer together when she say,

Speaker 2 (28m 41s): I do think so. I do. And I think, I think my personal belief is that the sooner we’re able to de-stigmatize by humanizing the industry and making it a little bit more, perhaps accessible and relatable to those who are not as involved in it. I think the sooner we can do that, the sooner we’ll actually be able to instigate change on a legislative, you know, societal level.

And so my goal is to really reach back out to the industries that I grew up in and get them on board and try to integrate adult and mainstream in a much more holistic interdependent way, I think so that we can coexist and it’s less us and them

Speaker 1 (29m 51s): Indeed. So what advice do you have for new models and what do you think the keys are for success?

Speaker 2 (29m 59s): I personally believe that success is really due to three things. The first is a work ethic. If you have a really solid work ethic and you apply yourself and you discipline yourself and you keep challenging yourself, despite, you know, outside factors or whatever else is going on, if you’re willing to put in that work, I think the chances for your success is a lot more

Speaker 1 (30m 30s): Then.

Speaker 2 (30m 32s): Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then also a good attitude, a positive attitude, humility that goes a long way. And so I think between the work ethic and a positive, good attitude, everything else can be learned, really everything else can be learned if you’ve got that work ethic and you’ve got that positive attitude. And then it comes, you know, frankly, it comes down to fair amount of luck. It really does.

And that unfortunately is for the most part out of our control, but we can definitely take the steps towards recognizing those opportunities when they arrive. And when they present themselves and with the work ethic and attitude, you’re able to act on those opportunities and really leverage them and make them the most. They can be

Speaker 1 (31m 26s): Sure. Now, what do you think PS group will look like in five years?

Speaker 2 (31m 31s): I would, well, we’re definitely going to be bigger because we’re growing at an exponential rate right now and I could not be more thrilled with my team. I got to tell you, I am everyone’s biggest fan. Like everyone is amazing at what they do. And they’re just all lovely individuals. We’ll have team meetings and like half of people are smoking a joint, but we’re talking about SEO and we’re having fun because the point is, is that we either, the entire team is comprised of people who either were in traditional and it didn’t work for them, or they never even entered it because they knew it wouldn’t work for them.

So we are sort of a team of outliers where a team of random people who are, you know, where are the, where are the counterculture people. But for the most part, we try to function like a mainstream ad agency. So I think in five years it’ll be, it’ll look a lot more like an ad agency just with like a filter or a prism of a lot of weird, which is exactly what we all love and want.

So I definitely, and also I do see us doing big campaigns. I do see us producing work of some sort, meaning like music videos or commercials or ad campaigns. I mean, I want to really help take my clients to the next level. And so I think in five years, I mean, PS group doesn’t look like what it did five years ago.

It doesn’t even look the same as a year ago. So I am very excited to see what it will be in five years. So, I mean, especially at some point I am going to be planning or I am planning to step away for a moment to write that infamous memoir, but I really want PS group to stand on its own. I don’t want it to be the Carly show.

I want it to BPS group. And I want it to be a collective of team members and individuals and clients who share a mission who share values and really, really care about this community and industry. So that’s a very, long-winded answer to your very short question.

Speaker 1 (34m 25s): So what makes you feel inspired or like your best self?

Speaker 2 (34m 30s): I think frankly, we said it earlier, watching the people I’m helping succeed, you know, their success is, is our success. And you know, when people say, how can I, how can I thank you for the help you provided? I’m affirm you do it for someone else one day, you know, pay it forward. That is not paying me back because frankly the more I’m able to help someone and they, and it helps them genuinely and you see them thriving and succeeding and attaining their goals and eventually helping others, you know, that I received so much more from that than they originally received from me.

So, and I know that’s how so Pollyanna kumbaya, but

Speaker 1 (35m 24s): No, no. Cause I feel exactly the same way.

Speaker 2 (35m 28s): I mean,

Speaker 1 (35m 29s): I mean, my clients succeeding, my clients succeeding, somebody selling a website and getting a good return for all their work or somebody buying a property and turning it into an, even more of a success and being thankful for that. And on my way on my website, you see stories like that with the testimonials and yeah. So I feel the same way exactly the same way.

Speaker 2 (36m 1s): Yeah. I mean, they’re really, I mean, this will have aired by them. So I guess we’ll know in August, but we have a number of people up for awards experts in

Speaker 1 (36m 15s): A few weeks

Speaker 2 (36m 17s): And we even have a team member who’s up for an award and I am just, I am so I’m more excited for them than I would be if I were, I mean, I started crying when one of our clients won a fan AVN award and, and I just I’m. So it just, it means it makes you feel full because I’ve been through a lot in my life that makes me jaded and I could be really cynical, but at a certain point in my life, I just said, you know what?

I can choose to be cynical or I could choose to believe there is positive positivity in the world. So why don’t I just choose that? And I’m truly believe that, you know, that helping others really is the most fulfilling element because it does present opportunities for you as well. So it always comes full circle. I feel,

Speaker 1 (37m 21s): I agree. So what are your dream achievements?

Speaker 2 (37m 25s): I would absolutely love after saying I want my clients, but you know, want my clients or a client project to be recognized in some way in the mainstream spear for an adult project. I want the quality of work that this industry is putting out and that we put out to rival any vanilla or civilian project, want it to be that good.

And I want it to be that effective and that thought provoking, you know, I also really want to be on lip-sync battle. I think I would do really well on that. I think the whole production would be very fun and I practice a lot in my bathroom, but beyond that, like I am

Speaker 1 (38m 19s): Instead of singing in your shower.

Speaker 2 (38m 21s): Exactly. I do have the hairbrush microphone. So, but yeah, and I mean, and of course

Speaker 1 (38m 28s): I got the visual Carly, I got the vision.

Speaker 2 (38m 31s): It’s not a pretty picture. Let me tell you, it

Speaker 1 (38m 34s): Depends on who’s thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (38m 37s): Oh God, that’s a whole other tangent and a lot. And then of course I really do feel very passionate about this infamous book that I’ve been working on for a very long time, but you know, it just never felt right. And eventually I realized this story is still going.

Speaker 1 (38m 56s): Yeah, absolutely. You can’t write a book unless the story is completed. Right.

Speaker 2 (39m 3s): Exactly. Exactly. So I’m giving myself a little bit of a break, but we have some ideas. We have a lot of notes.

Speaker 1 (39m 13s): Sure. Well, you’ve had a lot of lives and you know, I mean, it’s something that I’m sure people would be interested in reading.

Speaker 2 (39m 22s): Cool. Thank you. Well, we’ll definitely see, I mean, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so I’ll have to send the notes to you so that you can, you know, ghost write.

Speaker 1 (39m 33s): There you go. Well, Hey, in Mexico, that is probably more likely to get hit by a taxi. So be careful

Speaker 2 (39m 39s): Or a donkey.

Speaker 1 (39m 42s): Yeah. That too, that too. Or a donkey with a cart behind it. So what profession, other than your own, would you like to attempt

Speaker 2 (39m 52s): A lot? I mean,

Speaker 1 (39m 54s): Okay. Tell, tell us, give me the top five,

Speaker 2 (39m 58s): Top five professional napper. I could really

Speaker 1 (40m 2s): Use

Speaker 2 (40m 3s): More sleep in my life. I would also, you know, what is like one of those TV careers that probably looks nothing like it in reality, I really want to be one of those like stolen art investigators, like a bounty hunter for a Monet. And then I always, I mean my childhood dreams, I really wanted to be a grocery checkout person until I was four.

And then I changed to a mathematician. Now let’s be honest. I cannot even count to 20 with my shoes off now. So, but honestly,

Speaker 1 (40m 48s): And I wanted to be a fireman, but you know what kind of, and not also also a garbage man. So, cause I’d always look out the window and see the garbage man and go, oh, that’s cool.

Speaker 2 (40m 57s): They’ve got to get up. They get down. Like there, they’re hanging off the back of the truck. Like it’s very risky, like railing. So I get it, I get it. But frankly, I just, I love what I do now. I really do.

Speaker 1 (41m 14s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41m 15s): It’s amazing. I get to work with legends in this industry. I get to work with people who are going to be legends. I get to learn from all these people. It’s just every walk of life and every background, you know, I mean, when we, it sounds so cheesy, but like we get stagnant when we stop inquiring and being curious. So I think this, this industry in my job right now allows me to do that and wants me to do that.

So yeah, I’ve definitely found my place. I think.

Speaker 1 (41m 52s): Well, you seem to have Carlin. I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on adults. Adult am broker talk, and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (42m 1s): Likewise. Thank you, Bruce. It was a pleasure being here.

Speaker 1 (42m 4s): The pleasure was mine. My broker tip today is part three of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, find new ways to monetize your website, such as sell advertising. If you’ve got a free site, like a tube, that’s the best way to monetize your site. If you have a tube, another way to make more money is to sell premium memberships, offer free users, one level of content. And for premium users, you can do things like give them higher quality video or longer videos or both.

You can also make the site ad free for premium members. Start an affiliate program. If you have a pay site, this is a great way to increase your quality traffic and get more joins with all sites. You can figure out other upgrades and products you can sell your users. Pay sites can also sell, pay per view where people have the option of paying by the scene for content they can’t get on the site. This is also another way to charge users as opposed to a monthly fee, sell them other products like toys and novelties market, your business.

Do things do improve your search engine results. There are some great SEO consultants out there who can help you get higher search rankings in Google. If you want some recommendations, contact us on our website lists all of the benefits of your site in your marketing and how they affect the user. And of course, hire a great marketing consulting firms, such as adult B2B marketing, which we also happened to own eliminate unneeded expenses constantly make sure you’re not spending money. You don’t need to make sure there isn’t duplication in your staffing from time to time check services you pay for like hosting and see if there are better and less expensive options.

Take it from me. I’ve done this and saved a bunch. Plus got higher quality hosting in the process. Again, ask us for recommendations. Always look for ways to do things more cost-effectively along with this, make your profit and loss statement. Show more profit, increasing sales and reducing expenses obviously does just that make sure your P and L statement accurately reflects your company’s actual costs. Not a bunch of personal expenses you put in. This will cost you money when you sell it may help you with the tax man to put that stuff on your tax return, but it hurts you.

If you show that stuff on your profit and loss statement, remember every dollar in profit increases the value of your website. As much as three to four times, this is why you need a good experience broker to help lead you through the process. We’ve gotten people thousands of dollars, more on their sale just by adjusting the P and L statement to reflect actual business expenses, as opposed to a bunch of BS. We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with comedian and actor Dan Frigalette. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Carly David of PS Group. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Talk to you again next week on adult side broker talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Andra of Webmaster Access.

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They founded the six pay sites found eager, ethical, and competent directors to run them and put content on them. As well as having an affiliate program. Most of the content is exclusive with an influx of cash and a dedicated team to help grow the brand. There was a lot of opportunity for growth, only $1.6 million. Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today on adult site broker talk is Aandra from WMA Aandra thanks for being with us today on adult site broker talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 19s): Hey Bruce. Happy to be here. Thank you. How’s it going? It’s going amazing. I’m just checking out one way to get to Cuba. So I guess this one out.

Speaker 1 (2m 34s): Yeah, right. Yeah. Right. You’ll be there. It’s great to have you back on the podcast. So Andrea has been in our space for over eight years. She’s won multiple awards. She’s a go-to person. If you need to make a connection or seal a deal, she’s made some real miracles happen when it came to branding herself. But also the project she’s worked for with appearances on many media outlets, like vice BBC, the economist voyage LA and the LA times she’s done great work to represent the industry to a wider audience.

She’s taking the same enthusiasm and expertise to webmaster access to make sure it’s a trade show of the highest quality honored does event coordination and PR for the show, basically a little bit of everything from sales to branding, organizing the schedule and getting people to attend the show. Yeah, just like the last time we talked, she basically runs a place. Like I said, last time when we were talking about the studio, you were virtually running the webmaster access, webmaster X. This is one of the longest running trade shows in the industry with the right combination of networking education and fun.

The show’s a go-to event for all industry professionals, including myself. WMA will happen this year in Cypress, starting Thursday at the beautiful grand resort five-star hotel where master access Cypress will offer an awesome selection of content tracks and 100 plus speakers exploring the newest developments in key sectors, such as affiliate marketing, crypto content creation, dating e-commerce gambling and Forex. So how was that commercial?

Speaker 2 (4m 14s): I’m definitely going to buy that one way ticket. Now.

Speaker 1 (4m 18s): She’s like, I don’t want to do all that. You’ve already did it.

Speaker 2 (4m 21s): Oh my God. Is that what’s happening?

Speaker 1 (4m 25s): That’s what’s happening. And you’re gonna tell us all bout it.

Speaker 2 (4m 30s): Ah, well, why do you want to know just come and it’s going to be,

Speaker 1 (4m 35s): Yes, it will. And I got to say more than that. We’re all, we’re only two and a half minutes in at that. Doesn’t quite cut it. So Audra, you used to coordinate another trade show. Now I would imagine it’s an exciting opportunity for you to work on something new and as well, established as WMA.

Speaker 2 (4m 54s): It’s actually exciting to get to finish one because the, the other Tricia that I was working with a few, a few years ago, it happened right in the year, the beautiful year of COVID. So would that kind of ruin all our plans for everything. And you know, as much as, as much as we try to, you know, do something about it, just, you know, offer like virtual interviews and stuff like that.

It just wasn’t a, it wasn’t, it wasn’t what people were looking for. And then I decided to, to quit the company a year and a bit ago still did, I did attend the last trade show. It went to, it went great. And I’m like, congratulations to the organizers. They did a great job, but now this one is, wow. It’s I mean, it’s, it’s, you know, you never really realize how much work it goes into creating something like this.

And I think it’s a, also like a, a fight, I would say between what your expectations are as an organizer supposed to like the, the expectations of the people that are attending, you know, cause like, like you have a whole alphabetic thing. Like you have not just the ABCs of something, you know, you have a, to Z that are your expectations and you know, how things are supposed to work or how some, some things you should look like and stuff like that, which are not things that people see, you know, on the outside.

And then you’re like, oh my God, did they just this drive? Well, they will. They notice something like that. So it’s always a little, a little fight, but for sure, my experience working with the former trade show has helped a lot besides building the network. I mean, I help remind network a little bit more with the, with the former trade show. And right now, you know, I’m doing well, benefiting, benefiting from it, sorry, benefiting from it, which is great. So I’m, we’ve decided to move the, we’ve decided to move with master axis as you well know what used to be in Amsterdam.

Yes. So now we decided to move it in Cyprus. Cause like I live here, the owner lives here as well, and it’s a beautiful island. It has like most of the affiliates, the companies, the high-risk companies I’d say are here and a lot of countries around us that are interested in it. So it’s just like, it made sense at one point I’m like, why would we move it? Like people would travel here and there when it’s right in their backyard and like, why wouldn’t we do this?

And also the, the it’s, it’s great to actually be in the country that you’re planning your event in.

Speaker 1 (7m 44s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (7m 44s): You know, when talking to vendors or stuff like that is so easy.

Speaker 1 (7m 48s): How long ago did you move to Cyprus?

Speaker 2 (7m 51s): I moved to Cyprus four years ago. I think for I’m going on five years, I took, I took a break. I took, yeah, I took a break last year. I think after I quit the goodnight, I quit. The other job, started a new project. I moved to Ibiza for like six months last year from like June to December. It was great. And then I moved back to St. Brisk cause I was like, okay, that was good. That was good. But I need to go back to actual work. And Cyprus is a work hub is a business hub.

As you have so many companies that are in the industry, in our industry here, so

Speaker 1 (8m 28s): Sure. It’s a good place to be. So what’s most important when working on a trade show and what do you feel is your biggest strength in that area?

Speaker 2 (8m 39s): My personal one or like webmaster access? Definitely my ability to network. Yeah. But I would consider that a strength in my curiosity. I think being, being curious in, in an industry or in a world that thinks that it knows all is definitely a strength. Cause you know how like the Greek philosopher Seneca was saying like, what I know for certain is that I don’t know anything.

And when you have that curiosity and that’s, and that’s great. Cause like, you know, you go look at kids for when they’re like four years old. Right. That’s when they start asking a lot of questions and they’re curious all the time. So that’s when they gather information, we as adults, we kind of get to an age that we’re like, yeah, we know it all. Well, you never actually know it all. And how boring would life be if you actually knew everything? So I would, I would say that my curiosity is one of my biggest strengths.

Cause I’m always looking to learn and improve. And also my, my networking abilities in creating the connections through, through the networking, seeing the possibilities, seeing the opportunities of connecting different people in different different areas. So this would actually be one of the things that, what master DOCSIS is awesome. Cause we’re using first, we’re using the networking platform. That’s called the gala. Yeah. So actually when you’re, when you are registering on it, it will ask you about your interests.

What, what you want to see, what you want to meet. Do you want to, you know, are you interested in, let’s say affiliate marketing, are you interested in? And then if you say, yes, it’s like, are you interested in investing in talking about it and getting a job in offering good job in it? You know? So like you have all the, all these things on, on the platform, which actually helps you help you afterwards to connect with different people that have the same interest in you as you have. So it’s like so easy. Cause you don’t have to go and check the whole list of attendees and see like, okay, what does this person do?

Like what does this company, do you already have the matches meet

Speaker 1 (10m 53s): Kind of like a dating site for business.

Speaker 2 (10m 56s): It is, it is a dating site without the, you know, without the problems afterwards. Cause like in, without the P I mean, no, we actually, we do have

Speaker 1 (11m 7s): Pictures. You know, the ones I’m talking about,

Speaker 2 (11m 9s): None of this is, this is actually, I would say that this is better. Cause like, what you see is what you get and you know, fro from the start that, you know, you can actually lie on this one. Cause like, if you say like you’re interested in networking about it and you’re like, you know, you’re not, you don’t want to network about it. We will, we’ll call you out. As in with a dating site. You’re like, yeah, I’m interested in having babies and getting married and then you’re not saying no, so yeah, that would be a, that would be what makes a webmaster access.

Awesome. I mean the, the platform is what makes it great. The fact that it’s, it has people in it that have been, that are working with the in master boxes that are, have been working in other companies before, as advertisers. Right. So I know what I want. Like I see what, like what I wanted when I was working for the cam studio and we were working with, with different, with conferences and going to conferences.

I knew what I wanted then. Right. So for me, it’s really easy to transfer that knowledge into what, what, what mass Jackson is right now. That’s

Speaker 1 (12m 20s): Very valuable,

Speaker 2 (12m 22s): I would say. So. Cause like, you know, you CA you can think like, oh yeah, it’s a, it’s a great to, you know, I, my advertiser would want this and this and this and this, but then it’s really nothing that they want. So it’s really good to have that information before and to know about it before, for sure.

Speaker 1 (12m 44s): Sure. Now what’s changed with WMA since the last edition in 2019 and Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 (12m 51s): Well, a lot of things changed thankfully, 2019. It’s not, it’s not, you know, a secret 2019 was so was terrible for WME was not, that was not the greatest show we could have

Speaker 1 (13m 10s): Done. Wasn’t a bad show for me.

Speaker 2 (13m 12s): It wasn’t a, it wasn’t a terrible show, but it wasn’t the best. It wasn’t, It wasn’t at its potential. So what happened first of all, we’ve, we’ve moved it because a lot of people were complaining about, you know, Amsterdam and stuff like that. And I believe that with, with the amount of the travel that people in the industry do, being just, just sitting in this thing in one country or one, one city gets, gets boring at one point and Amsterdam is not really known as the most fun.

It’s like, it came to a point where Amsterdam was boring for all of us. And if you don’t, you never want this, like Amsterdam should not be boring. It’s a beautiful city.

Speaker 1 (13m 54s): Oh boy, it shouldn’t be, but it did get that way after a while. I have to agree with you

Speaker 2 (14m 2s): Mostly

Speaker 1 (14m 2s): As a man.

Speaker 2 (14m 3s): I I’m sorry. I don’t, I don’t want to know that. Sorry, is it, I know this is the thing. I mean, it got to a point where it’s just like, ah, yeah. You know, Amsterdam, so then moving it to moving it to Cyprus, that’s it, that’s a new thing. Moving into Cyprus, then opening it up to different verticals. We have temporary vehicles right now, which is a, you know, way more than we then we had before. Oh, we’re working, we’re looking at, at people from not just from adult, but mainstream, but service providers.

We’re looking at people that are interested in, you know, learning more about the industry and we’re doing, we’re taking a different approach here and not trying to get adult into mainstream, but allowing mainstream to come into adult And to see it, which is, you know, if you change that, if you, if you think about it is like, it’s, it’s a smart thing. Because at any show, like any mainstream show that anyone from the adult industry goes, you’re gonna be met with like people looking down on you or being, you know, stuff like that.

So we don’t want to do that. And then the verticals that we’re looking at, obviously, you know, how the tech, how technology develops and how the market develops. We have a new would be blockchain, casino, gaming, gambling, gaming, e-commerce, we’re still keeping content creation. We’re actually developing content more, more into content creation. Start-ups entertainment. You know, we have different verticals that are really, really, really good. And that are great with the, with the market that we’re seeing right now, the people that are working with the, with, with Ms.

Jax has have changed it’s myself. I was joined the, I joined the team. So that’s a plus, oh, G

Speaker 1 (16m 1s): It is a big, big plus for me.

Speaker 2 (16m 4s): I appreciate that. I appreciate that. So yeah, the schedule is different. We’re looking at, thank you. We don’t have a meat market. I hate me, myself personally. I hate meat market. It’s just, and right now in the age of COVID and monkeypox and whatever got them, disease comes. I don’t want to be in a room in a steamy room with a lot of people that are very close to each other and screaming at each other and over each other. Cause you can hear shit, sorry. Oh, you can’t hear anything at the meat market.

Right. Everybody’s talking everybody’s whatever. So we took out the meat market and we have the booths that, so the expo is going to look like a, like a normal trade show expo. You have the booths, you have, you have the places to put your swag. If you want to not, you know, carry it around and put it at meat market. Because like nobody actually takes that. It’s it’s

Speaker 1 (17m 3s): Depends on the item.

Speaker 2 (17m 5s): It depends on the item as well. But in the same time, like you, if you want, if you’re investing in swag for your company and it’s a great sweat, great, you’ve invested in it. You’ve put hours in it, money in it, people in it and all of that. And then you bring it to the meat market. And what everybody is doing is not actually even talking to you about whatever your company does, but they go, oh, go to X company’s name, get swag, get whatever they have. Cause it’s like really cool. Like very I’ve

Speaker 1 (17m 33s): Seen the light.

Speaker 2 (17m 34s): Exactly. And it’s like, it’s disrespectful for the work that you have put into doing that. You know? So we, we were like, you know, let’s, let’s take that. Let’s take that up. And so, like I said, we removed the meat market and now we have companies something that’s called company presentations or case studies. This is a place where people for companies and people to present, whatever think will think they have for 20 minutes, 20 minutes is enough time to present anything.

You do not need more time to talk about your product. And it,

Speaker 1 (18m 10s): I just need a minute. My elevator pitch has shined.

Speaker 2 (18m 13s): Then we go see you though. He goes, so you ha you have speed networking though for that. But then the company presentations or the case study, it allows more companies to talk about their products. And then in event invites the interested parties to their booth to actually close the deal. So, you know, you’re giving them a little bit of whatever you’re doing and you’re presenting some, I dunno, whatever you have in your company, some challenges, some cool things that you’ve done. And then you can, you can take them back to your booth in it, or in the, in the meeting area that we have in the, in the expo and talk about it more and then has, as we understood how important networking is.

Again, I’m going to push this networking thing as much as I can. Cause it’s, it’s it’s,

Speaker 1 (18m 57s): I think it’s most important to me.

Speaker 2 (18m 59s): Absolutely. And it should be for everyone. We’ve set up a, a great, welcome and reception with networking session, with networking sessions, the networking reception is held by a feel-good business club, which, which is there, there they’re great young people that are doing a lot of affiliate meetups and stuff like that in town with their opening to everyone, we have happy hours on the beach. Like literally we’re kicking everybody out at five because there’s no reason to be in the next school for more than eight hours.

It is inhuman. So we’re kicking everybody out. We’re giving everybody beer, go to the goddamn beach, talk between themselves, you know, just, you know, relax a little bit. Cause that’s when you do business <inaudible> business, sitting down and talking about it. But in the same time meeting, more people is in networking events. And then obviously we have a, we have parties and one of them is something that I’ve really, really always dreamed of doing gets a beach party on the last day.

Yeah. It’s going to be amazing. It’s going to be so great. And yeah, also the, the, the plane, we have a plane, which has not been done before. I don’t think it’s, I, I, from my knowledge, it has not been done before. We’ve charted a plane from Prague to Cyprus. Well, we still have some tickets if you, if you haven’t booked the tickets,

Speaker 1 (20m 31s): It’s too late, too late to cancel, but maybe I’ll take your plane instead. It sounds like more fun.

Speaker 2 (20m 37s): It’s going to be a plane full of industry. People like there, the everybody that’s coming from, from Prague, from the show there and people that are not joining the show in Prague, but our improv and join know what mass Jax is. They’re coming on that plane. And it’s going to be like, it’s going to be literally three hours of networking on a plane, which is amazing. And you know, I’m really grateful for our, or our plan sponsor will know here. Cause they, they really, they really stepped it up. It was

Speaker 1 (21m 5s): Really cancel my ticket.

Speaker 2 (21m 8s): No worries. No worries.

Speaker 1 (21m 11s): Is it one flight?

Speaker 2 (21m 12s): It’s one flight. Yeah. It’s one. Yeah. It’s one flight. It’s enough. It’s more than

Speaker 1 (21m 19s): Just

Speaker 2 (21m 20s): On the 25th at 10 or 11. We’re still looking at it. Cause we’re looking on the, yeah, so 10 or 11 in the, in the morning, go on the website, go on the website and check it out there. Get your ticket there.

Speaker 1 (21m 35s): Sounds good.

Speaker 2 (21m 36s): Okay.

Speaker 1 (21m 37s): So, and by the time this runs, I’m sure it will be full. So

Speaker 2 (21m 42s): I mean, there’s a few tickets left, so I tell them,

Speaker 1 (21m 46s): We’re doing, we’re doing this too. We’re doing this this two weeks before. So anyway. Yeah. So by, by the time, our, in, in 13 days when this runs, I, I have a tendency to think it’ll be full, but never hurts to check. Right?

Speaker 2 (22m 1s): Yep, absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (22m 2s): So there are a lot more opportunities for affiliates at the show than in previous versions. What types of affiliates will be there and how can we all benefit from that portion of the show

Speaker 2 (22m 15s): We’re going to have, like I said, we have a lot of new verticals right now. So besides the main verticals, adult crypto, dating gambling, traffic, FinTech, e-commerce, these comes with these come with their affiliates as well. So it’s not only the, it’s not only the companies that are going to be looking at each other and being like, yay. You know, we have a lot of people that are coming to, to join the failures that are coming to, to see what what’s happening with, what, what you can benefit from, you know, talking to, to the companies that are there, seeing what their, their products are going to the case.

Studies, hearing the seminars, going to the main stage to hear the keynotes, every keynote that we have is from a different vertical. So this would be really cool. So check that out case studies as well. So yeah, as a, as an affiliate with the companies and the verticals that we have right now, it’s really, it’s incredible.

Speaker 1 (23m 14s): Okay. Yeah. And WMA has never been known as an affiliate show before, so that’s a big change.

Speaker 2 (23m 20s): It’s still not, there’s still not an affiliate show. It’s a, it’s an all-inclusive conference that wants to change and is changing and is bringing in and morphing into something that’s half and half and half and half and half and half quarters of things. You know, you need to adapt to technology. You need to adapt to the new, to the, the things that are happening right now, taking away is saying that, you know, you’re not, let’s see how we were cam show before and saying like, yeah, now we’re an affiliate show that will that’s.

You know where, in my opinion, my personal opinion, it’s a recipe for disaster. They cannot be a cam show for 10 years and then say like, oh, you know what, we’re an affiliate show. You’re not, you know, make the transition. And also, and also like, say like, you’re, you’re an affiliate show. And then you have a cam sponsors. It makes no sense. And it, you know, it’s just, you lied to your sponsors and you liked your attendees. No, what we’re doing is we have adult, we have crypto.

We that’s not, you know, adult, we would add say that what master access is more of a higher risk company conference. That would be the perfect way to describe.

Speaker 1 (24m 38s): Absolutely, absolutely. Well, and I remember that was being discussed in 2019 that, that this was going to be changing to that. And I believe if I’m not mistaken at that time, Panos was talking about Cyprus. So I know this has been in the works for a long time, so that’s, that’s really cool that it’s finally coming to fruition, post pandemic. So what else does Cypress have to offer? You’re a good person to ask since you live there for people like me, who haven’t been there before,

Speaker 2 (25m 11s): Besides the beautiful scenery that Cypress has to offer, like it’s a, it’s a beautiful island. It’s I would recommend, I would advise everyone that comes to take a few days after just to visit it because you have beautiful boat trips, you have something that you have beautiful sea capes that is just spectacular. The water is gorgeous. The prices so are fairly, fairly, you know, nice and say, oh yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

I’m sure wasn’t then you have look, Cyprus is a combination of mountain and sea in heel and everything together. That’s beautiful. And then, you know, you have great people. It’s a touristic college. You’re going to see a lot of, of expats. You’re going to see a lot of just people that are joyous. The food is incredible. The food is incredible. My first time here, I remember I went to dismiss a place, misses like tapas.

People are more okay. But it’s like, it’s not top us. It’s like top boss on, on cocaine, top boss on steroids. Okay. It come, it just, you eat for like four hours. Like they don’t stop bringing you food. It is insane. So that’s an, I swear, like after, after the two hours into that messy place, I was like, please stop. Like I was looking at the waiter and I was like, please, I beg stop.

I can’t like go

Speaker 1 (26m 53s): Away. Is it like an all you can eat thing?

Speaker 2 (26m 55s): No, it’s not. So like you, you choose you. No, no, no, no, no, no. So it’s a set. It’s a set menu. So it’s a set price. So it’s like it’s around 20 years per person. I’d say so it’s not a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (27m 9s): Oh, okay. I was kind of imagining that they, from what you were saying, that they kept bringing you food and then they brought you a 200 year old bill program.

Speaker 2 (27m 17s): Oh God, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. No. It’s like 20 and 20 euros a, of a person for the visit and they bring you like, they’re the, I’m not even kidding. Like for four hours you have alcohol and food. So you, you say like, you start with the dibs, you start with the salads and stuff like that. And then they start with like, you know, the most amazing beef in, you know, in the oven cooked for seven hours. And then you have the zucchini.

I don’t know what, and it’s just, I swear, bruise. Like, it’s, it’s insane, but you need to take it. Like my advice for everyone, everybody that tries tapa tries Meza for the first, for the first time, don’t eat a lot in the first hour because then you’re not going to be able to enjoy it. And this is like, what would they actually, you know, do they’re bringing you the food, the food that fills you up in the, you know, in the first hours and then,

Speaker 1 (28m 17s): You know, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (28m 18s): Exactly. Ah, and you can’t anymore because you’re full, you’re only human.

Speaker 1 (28m 25s): Well, it’s kind of what they do. I don’t know if you’ve been to one of those. I’m sure you have one of those Brazilian steakhouses. I can’t pronounce that word where you get all the, all the meat you can eat. Okay. But what they have is they have this amazing salad bar with all kinds of wonderful stuff on it and they bring you bread. And if you eat all that stuff, then you’re not really going to enjoy the meat.

Speaker 2 (28m 49s): Exactly. Exactly. So this is this, this is the guide to eating visit in Cypress and don’t go,

Speaker 1 (28m 56s): You’re going to have to point me to the right Meza place. Then

Speaker 2 (28m 59s): We will have dinners and it will be a lot of good food. So no worries about it all up. I’ll take you guys out. I’ll show you how to,

Speaker 1 (29m 7s): It sounds like a plan. So what would attendees expect to find at WMA that they wouldn’t find at other shows?

Speaker 2 (29m 18s): Oh, well, like I, like I mentioned before, we are bringing in some mainstream people. So we’re having some really great speakers that are talking about neuro marketing that hasn’t really been done before. We have popping up of law that is talking about the importance branding and personal branding and how important branding is in, in, in, in your company, which is not necessarily directed to a adult or anything.

It’s just, you know, in the, everything you have Juliet grantee, that is absolutely amazing. And she’s talking about the art of making content, which is something new with, hasn’t been, it hasn’t been done before. Then you have a four X companies are talking about the trends in FinTech. So you have a lot of, a lot of new company presentations and keynotes that haven’t really been done before. And we’re bringing in these new people that are talking about something that’s totally new and it’s not necessarily just business.

It’s about personal development. It’s about branding. It’s about, neuro-marketing no housing, everything,

Speaker 1 (30m 37s): You know, when you, when you think about all that stuff, really what works in mainstream works and adult marketing, for instance, if you can market successfully and mainstream, you can market successfully and adult, most people can’t market their ways out of a paper bag. Unfortunately, that’s been my experience as a marketer. So especially in a tall, unfortunately, so it’s so true that mainstream marketing principles really need to be followed in order to see success.

Speaker 2 (31m 11s): I would, I would say that cause like at the end of the day, we’re not that different, right? Whatever works for one it’s, it’s the digital marketing world universe. It, it should work. I’ve always said that the adult industry is more creative when it comes to this because we have more challenges than the marketing and then the mainstream marketing. Right. But it’s still knowing and understanding how other businesses work and how other verticals work and adopting that and putting that into your business and your plan of, you know, marketing and PR that’s amazing.

And it shows that you’re, you’re open to it. There’s the <inaudible> from conversions club conversion club, which we’ll, we’ll talk about how to get a thousand B2B leads for 90, $90 a month. And you have people that are spending thousands and thousands and thousands for like the half of it, you know? So you have people that are, are talking about really, really, really cool things. And then, you know, have how to build a campsite.

Also there’s people that are talking about literally how to actually build this. Like how, what does it mean how to build it, what you can do about it? You know, branding personal it’s it’s, it’s beautiful. I can await. Okay. I’m canceling that ticket to Cuba.

Speaker 1 (32m 33s): Very cool. Very cool. So there’s a seminar about communication and community, the business world. So what’s the idea behind that.

Speaker 2 (32m 43s): Okay. So I strongly believe that like, like I said before, right? Communicate community is super important. Networking is super important. At the end of the day, we all go to conferences and networking events. Not only for business reasons, primarily, right? How many times have we done like the best deals at the night bar? You know, after the conference has the conference show has ended, right?

So we want that connection. We want that community. So we have a panel of, I would say the best networkers from different verticals. And that will show you the tips and tricks. And why, why participating in conferences and networking events is vital for your business, especially now in this and this reality that we have. Cause like I I’ve seen, and I’ve noticed a lot of companies right now after the pandemic and they go, oh, I mean, I’m doing my business great. Without going to conferences.

You know, if anything, this, these last two years have shown me that I can do a great business without attending conferences. Didn’t might be true in like, like 20%, but it’s not really cause like if you do business and it’s a known fact that you do business with people that, you know, you do business with people that you like,

Speaker 1 (34m 4s): Especially in this industry, especially in adult, because of it because of the trust or lack thereof.

Speaker 2 (34m 10s): But this is, this is everywhere. Like we need to trust the people that are coming. So on this panel, AKI hamam from the founder of affiliate business club. The guys that I was telling you about AKI has built his own from the business club that is designed to help network, to help people network. So he’s created this, this space then you had, you have Andy Woolmer, who is a formula.

I’m saying like, I love Andy. Andy is so cool. And Andy, if anything, everybody knows Andy from the, from adult to mainstream, like I’ve seen him on, on stage in, in Columbia at a, at a cam show.

Speaker 1 (34m 55s): I wasn’t going to say, do I want to hear about this Andy onstage in Columbia? Was it it wasn’t a donkey show.

Speaker 2 (35m 4s): No,

Speaker 1 (35m 4s): That’s Mexico. Oh, I’m sorry. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (35m 8s): Then I’ve seen Andy in, in Kiev at Macchia, you know, so like it’s totally different experiences, but he still gets a lot of people around

Speaker 1 (35m 18s): Andy is the best networker in our industry bar. None,

Speaker 2 (35m 24s): I would say so I would, I would definitely. So then you have Danny from, from I’m like who? Everybody, like literally everybody who knows Danny, they would say, oh my God, I love this guy. You know? And th this is what you want. Then it’s Jim Austin from, from cert, as he’s starting with cert is now everybody knows gym as well. And then it’s it’s me as well. So I’m on the panel as well.

Speaker 1 (35m 48s): Oh, I should be. I should be on this panel, Andre. I’m sorry, because I’m because I’m a networker as well, but that’s okay. I’ll let, I’ll let it slide this time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35m 57s): Come, come and ask us, come and ask us difficult questions then. But

Speaker 1 (36m 2s): Yes,

Speaker 2 (36m 5s): I’ve graded this, this fennel with this in mind after this panel, actually I was born after I had a conversation with someone that was like, yeah, it doesn’t make sense. My boss doesn’t want to send me because he thinks that networking or going to conferences doesn’t really make sense. It was like, but it does though. But it does. Cause like now you see all these new affiliates on Skype, hitting you up and being like, Hey, I have this offer for you. It’s like, I don’t know you. Like, I do not know you and you don’t know me.

You don’t know the, the, my business. And it’s just, it gets to this point that it’s just like a little bit cringey. You know, you don’t want to talk to someone that you don’t know except for if their offer is absolutely amazing, but it’s not,

Speaker 1 (36m 51s): Unless they have, unless they have a website to sell, then I most definitely want to talk to them.

Speaker 2 (36m 56s): Yeah. But like, for me, it’s just like, I got, I got hit up like a few, a few days ago. Some girl was texting me like, Hey, I’m there. How are you? And like, I literally have on Skype, what webmaster Jax is like, it says there, it’s like, yeah, I’m doing good. We’re we’re, I’m part of a, I dunno, network. We’re selling good traffic. We’re selling disability. Do you see what I’m doing? Like just read.

Speaker 1 (37m 19s): Yeah. And you know, you bring up a really good point. That’s a complaint I’ve had, especially when I’m signed up for shows. This happens a lot with the sign-up with TES, because they’ve got the, the platform there and I’m going to get, I’m not on umbrella yet for this show, but I will be after right after this call and people contact me and they want to sell me traffic by traffic, or they want to buy my traffic and I don’t sell traffic or they want to sell me processing.

I don’t need processing or would I like to be their affiliate for what? I don’t have sites. And I’m as polite and nice as possible. And usually what I do is I just turn the tables and say, Hey, you probably talked to a lot of people. We have an affiliate program. You should be our affiliate. The funniest thing it can do to somebody trying to sell you is just turn around and sell them. But, but sometimes it’s effective actually, but I you’re right.

People don’t do their homework. B people so-called salespeople. Don’t do their homework before making these contacts. And people seem to be getting lazier and lazier and lazier. And I might sound old when I say that, but I usually have a pretty good idea who I’m talking to before I contact them.

Speaker 2 (38m 44s): But I think that, I think that is, you know, a sign out it’s, it’s common sense that I would, I would say common sense to

Speaker 1 (38m 55s): It’s common sense, which is a real good reason why very few people do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (39m 0s): Yeah. Common sense is not that common is it? I was, I was actually, so I love this. I’m going to tell you a little story. Now, Leah tenant, the CEO and founder of pineapple support, we all know and love her. She’s a moderator for one of the panels that we’re having at webmaster axes, that’s called the time, talent and turnover, which is talking to talking about performers and agencies that are helping performers. Right. So she called me a few days ago and she’s like, oh, Hey, I need to talk to you about the list of speakers that we you have on the panel.

And I was like, okay, sure. And she literally went with me through all of them asking me questions. Like, what does this person do? What does the, his company do? What does that company do? How do they make? And like, she was legitimately interested in everyone on that panel. So she could have, she could ask relevant questions and have an idea about what they’re doing before that that is common sense. And that is how you do business.

Speaker 1 (40m 6s): Well, not everybody is as intelligent as Leah. She’s extremely, extremely bright. And that’s why, she’s where she is today, I think is that she’s really, she really gets it.

Speaker 2 (40m 23s): I think it’s about, it’s a lot about, you know, caring about first of all, about your personal brand. Cause I mean, I wouldn’t like to, I wouldn’t want to go up on stage and you know, look stupid and then it’s about, you know, it’s, it’s their problem, you know? And then it’s about showing respect to the people that you’re talking to. You know, just like don’t like, if, if I would give an advice to, to anyone, especially with these young affiliates sales affiliates right now, read and read, just read about what that person does to see if their company is relevant.

Speaker 1 (41m 2s): IO, go to LinkedIn, go to LinkedIn in the adult space, go to expos, go to Facebook.

Speaker 2 (41m 9s): Yeah, go, go. There are so many forms. Jeff, Jeff, why.com Jeff, why is a form go,

Speaker 1 (41m 16s): Well, why not have some business directory? I mean, there’s so many, so many resources

Speaker 2 (41m 20s): You see, this is why I love umbrella so much because Brella is actually, so it’s literally when you put in your interest, in what you’re interested in, it gives you the matches. Yeah. So you can go and see what other people are doing and everything, but it gives you the relevant people that are interested in what the hell you’re selling or buying. And you can do it on your schedule without, you know, going in annoying a thousand other people with your CPA offer.

I’m sorry,

Speaker 1 (41m 53s): You sound so much. You sound so much like me. And I’m so glad that there’s someone else who feels the same way

Speaker 2 (41m 59s): Because it

Speaker 1 (41m 60s): Just bugs bugs. It bugs the shit out of me. When people sell me things that they wouldn’t try to sell me. If they learned a little bit about me.

Speaker 2 (42m 8s): Exactly. Just like putting, put in your work as this is, this is sales 1 0 1. I’m giving you a vital information here, people.

Speaker 1 (42m 16s): Yeah. But at the same time, I always reply and I’m never rude. I try not to

Speaker 2 (42m 22s): Be anyway.

Speaker 1 (42m 23s): I always, I always try to take the high road and say, Hey, well, the first question I asked them is, do you know what I do?

Speaker 2 (42m 30s): Oh God.

Speaker 1 (42m 31s): Especially if they hit me up on Skype, do you know what I do? No. Hmm. Let me tell you,

Speaker 2 (42m 40s): So

Speaker 1 (42m 42s): Then they get my elevator. Then they get my elevator pitch and the, and the link for the affiliate program. So

Speaker 2 (42m 48s): Right now I don’t even have the, I don’t have the time more power to get to do anything. I’m just saying like, look, I’m, I’m doing the conference. This is the conference, whatever you need, you’re going to find here, look it up. And they don’t even take the time to say thank you or sorry for bothering you do it a few days ago. Reach out to me on my personal Instagram asking about the, I mean, my personal Instagram is business as well. So anyways, but he’s like, yeah. So do you have traffic? I was like, no, I run this conference.

Yeah. But like, are you interested in buying traffic? Like for what? Like I was like for what would I be interested in buying traffic? Like I have what Jeffrey for the conference? Like, do you not even see the words that I’m saying?

Speaker 1 (43m 33s): Yeah. It’s frustrating. Yes. Manners, manners and common sense have gone in the same direction. Yes.

Speaker 2 (43m 41s): So this, this is why, this is why the seminar connection, connection and community and the business, I think,

Speaker 1 (43m 48s): Oh, I hope they’re going to teach best practices. I got to ask the common COVID question. How have conferences changed since the pandemic

Speaker 2 (43m 59s): I’ve seen in the, in the, in the conference space? I’ve seen a lot of companies that are not going to conferences anymore. Like for the ones that I’ve, I’ve been, it’s just like, it’s so hard right now with, with, from, from the point of view of a conference organizer. Right? Cause you never really know a hundred percent what’s going to happen. You never really know if you’re allowed that X amount of people in the space. You don’t know how the government is going to change rules and regulations and all of a sudden it’s like, yeah, we, you need to wear masks now we’re, we’re just in capacity to like 300 people.

Right? So it’s a, it’s kind of a, it’s kind of a, a game and you need to kind of guess, and then you need to take care of your, your attendees and your sponsors. But I would say that what worked before doesn’t really work anymore. So like if you’re planning a conference and your whole idea is to keep people inside, you’re like, you’re, you’re so focused on developing the schedule with the vitamin seminars and stuff or something like that in you’re not looking at doing networking events in which you actually help people network, not just put them in a room and be like, yo, good luck with that.

I think you’re going to fail. So you need, you need to have that. You need to reintroduce people to people and teach them how to, how to handle themselves and how to create relations.

Speaker 1 (45m 25s): Well done. So what advice do you have for people coming to WMA?

Speaker 2 (45m 31s): I bring sunscreen hydrate. I mean, besides that, he says that, look, if you’re, if you are a newbie in the industry, this is not only for WME. This is I’m sharing this a vital vital piece of advice. If you are a new V, if this is your first conference, take it easy. There are a lot of

Speaker 1 (46m 1s): Drinks,

Speaker 2 (46m 2s): Drinks. Exactly. See, you know, you know where I’m going with this?

Speaker 1 (46m 5s): Well, I could, I could tell you where you were just delicately going along. And I just thought I’d throw it right out there.

Speaker 2 (46m 11s): There are a lot of open bars. There are a lot of parties. If you go to a conference, do not try to not go overboard. People are making more business. After the conference has ended at clubs at networking event at parties and dinners, then they’re making in the, in the expo hall. So try not to make a fool of yourself in your company because it is going to stick. That is going to stick on you.

And you’re going to look bad in your company is going to look that re remember that you’re representing the company. You’re representing a brand in more. If anything, you’re representing yourself. So carry yourself, carry yourself with, with the grace and humor and be a, be nice to everyone. Don’t be a cunt or a Dick or whatever. Don’t be a kind and good

Speaker 1 (47m 8s): Person,

Speaker 2 (47m 10s): Whatever, whatever don’t be an, but be an a, B a B a year. Now we have two years in a mouth for a reason to listen more and to talk less.

Speaker 1 (47m 20s): So I have two ears. I don’t know. I don’t know where you got the third, but it’s okay.

Speaker 2 (47m 24s): Did I say three? I’m so

Speaker 1 (47m 26s): Dead, but it’s all right.

Speaker 2 (47m 29s): Years. And it’s English, man. I’m speaking. This is the definition of a polyglot. You screw up every language that you know, so you have two years in a mouth with a reason, right? To listen more and to talk less. So when you’re going to a conference, remember that what you need to do is actually listen to what the people are saying. And also ask, use your mouth to ask questions, ask relevant questions. No question is stupid. If you don’t know what that person does, you know, let’s say that they’re not working.

They’re not a CPE network, whatever. They’re not, you know, listen to what they have to say. Cause you never know when you’re going to need that, that information in your, in your life. You never know, even if it’s for personal use or for professionally. So this would be like the, my main, you know, general device in, in for, for conferences for a Cypress, I would say, come arrested, come prepared. We have so many people that are there in are eager to learn about new new companies and new people.

Just make sure that you have everything set, be on Barilla, schedule your meetings beforehand because it is going to be full. So schedule your meetings beforehand. So you make sure that at the end of it, you, you draw a line and you see like, okay, so I’ve hit my target things and network as much as you can outside of your company, no matter who you talk to, like just be open to talking to everyone and listening to everyone and what everybody has to say and do go to the seminars in the keynotes.

They’re really interesting.

Speaker 1 (49m 14s): Absolutely. I’m looking forward to it. Well, Andre, I like to thank you for being back with us today on adult side broker tuck. And I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (49m 24s): Sure. I think thank you so much for having me and looking forward to, to having you in Cyprus and having everybody that’s listening to this and in Cyprus and if not in Cyprus into next 20, 23, from six to 8th of January in Las Vegas at the same hotel, like last year at resorts world. So we’re really looking forward to having you guys there. If you cannot make it to WMA now

Speaker 1 (49m 51s): I’ll see it. Both. My broker tip today is part two of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, keep your website design. Up-to-date do a redesign from time to time. People will tend to think your site is the same as ever and click out of it without even looking if something doesn’t change. So keep it fresh and up to date times change. So should your website look at what your competitors are doing and see what it is you really like emulate success. If you know a site to be particularly successful, look at what it is they’re doing and do some of the same things.

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Be willing to make changes. People can’t understand why they’re losing sales to a competitor yet that competitor is clearly doing everything better. Emulate success. Make sure everything on your website works well. Make sure all of your links work properly. Check them on a regular basis. If things don’t work, you’ll lose customers. People are not patient. These days. People’s attention spans are like that of a gnat. They click out immediately and go to the next result in Google. If they don’t find exactly what it is they’re looking for.

If the site is hard to navigate or things, don’t work, check all of your internal scripts and plugins and make sure everything is updated regularly as well. We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week, we’ll be speaking with Carly David of PS group. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Andra. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today, an adult site broker talk is Kim heirs. Hey Kim, thanks for being with us today on adult site broker talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 29s): It’s a real pleasure to be here. I love podcasts. Yay.

Speaker 1 (2m 34s): As do I, we had such a nice conversation beforehand. We could have gone on for hours about baseball.

Speaker 2 (2m 41s): It’s my favorite sport. Everybody’s like, oh, you must like football, cuz it’s on a red Sox fan, which we talked about. We’re like, oh, you must like the Patriots or you know, or the Bruins or the, you know, the Celtics I’m like, no,

Speaker 1 (2m 54s): No, just the socks. Just

Speaker 2 (2m 55s): The socks actually get depressed in, you know, the end of October.

Speaker 1 (3m 0s): Don’t we all don’t we all I know all baseball fans do exactly. Well. Lemme tell, let me tell the world about you. Oh goodness. Sexuality, educator, sex toy expert, public speaker blogger and sex industry writer combines her clear, concise sex education with a healthy dose of humor. She easily puts everyone at ease with her honesty and straightforward approach to a healthy sex life. She was the founder of new England’s first female and couple’s friendly sex toy store grand opening.

When she left her job at Harvard to sell rubber dicks to girls. Now Kim’s been featured in Boston magazine, Marie Claire Playboy Playgirl AOL, the daily male and many others. Kim’s a certified sex educator and her passion is helping others be comfortable about sexuality and gaining confidence in all things sex, not to mention sharing a good, dirty joker too on all social media. She’s at Kim heirs, a I R S YouTube at Kim heirs grand opening with an exclamation mark and on only fans at Kim heirs.

I’m sorry. That’s all the time we have today. Okay. I

Speaker 2 (4m 12s): Know. Thank God. There’s only one of me. That’s what I keep saying. It’s all social media, Kim HES. I’m like, oh, thank God.

Speaker 1 (4m 20s): Sure. So, so Kim, yeah. How, how long have you been in the business and talk a little bit about your journey?

Speaker 2 (4m 29s): Sure. Well, it’s basically LA LA LA LA. I was married in a past life is how I like to refer to it seven and a half years. It’s okay. It was, you know, regular, no house, no kids, really simple divorce, blah, blah, blah. And, and he was like really like non adventurous and me, I don’t have a mono. I do not have a monogamous Bo in my body. I just like, you know? Yeah, I’ll love you and I’ll marry you, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna stop fucking around and you know, and stuff like that.

So that’s always been my Mo it’s definitely a deal breaker when you’re not both on the same pattern, you know, same launching thing. And that’s how

Speaker 1 (5m 11s): You wanna, you wanna hear something funny? I just, I just did a, I just did an interview before you with Michael Ramos who owns ASN entertainment, which is a lifestyle publication. So it’s kind of interesting. Oh yeah. That you say that because he was talking about the whole journey with his wife and getting into the lifestyle. But anyway, go

Speaker 2 (5m 29s): Ahead for sure. Yeah. No, no, that’s it. And so, so yeah, so anyway, so we got divorced seven and a half years, super easy. And then I met a Swedish guy who was like, and I’ve always been really comfortable around sex stuff. Anyway, I think a lot of it has to do my mom’s European. She was a war bride in world war II, the, my dad, the American soldier and the whole bit and stuff. So the Europeans definitely have a different attitude around sexuality and sex. So I think I inherited that a lot from that side of the family.

So anyway, in 88 I no 87. It would’ve been, I met a guy that I call this smut hound who into totally everything sex. And I was like, I fucking love this stuff. Just like public sex, strip joints, porno needing porno stars, sex toys. I mean, it’s like everything. So it was just totally opened. Blue, opened the door for me on all that stuff. So, so at that time I started working at Harvard university that was at 88 and kind of, cause since I’m like so honest and open about this stuff, I was like the, in the economic department, like the girlfriend that you’d go to with your questions and stuff.

And then I was also the one that would like take them into the combat zone in Boston to buy a vibrator. And it would be like, okay, let’s go do this. And they all knew me at the porno stores cuz I had to like go in there and speak at normal voices and we’d shoot the shit and the strip joints and everything like that. So I became that person. I also started writing for a magazine called on our backs, which was called entertainment for the adventurous lesbian. And that was pretty awesome. And so I was doing that and yeah.

And then what happened? So writing for on our backs. So then Fanny fatal was the nom plume for the woman that was one of the editors for on our backs. And she was doing a tour for about female ejaculation. She had done a book, no a video fatal video had done how to female ejaculate. And she was like I said, doing a tour to promote it. And the only place in Boston that would have her was not either of the feminist bookstores, cuz this was, this was 93.

Yeah. So we’re fast forward. No 92 92. So fast forwarding a little bit, but you know, and so neither of the feminist bookstores would have her because back then it was like, if you were, you know, I don’t wanna like pigeonhole or anything, but you know, lesbian, feminist and stuff like that. You were like, we don’t talk about sex. This is, I mean, I’ve lived through all this stuff. Right. And me personally, if people are wondering, oh you’re a big di you’re first of all, I hate titles. I like saying I’m trisexual cuz I’ll try anything sexual.

So I do, I do a lot around sex stuff. So I, like I said, I don’t like pigeonholing, like, oh if you’re this you’re that I also, this is a little sidetrack. I also don’t like public displays of affection personally. Yeah. Because if people look at you, they automatically pigeonhole you. So if I hold hands with a guy it’s like, oh you’re straight. If I hold hands with a woman. Oh you’re lesbian, you know? Sure. And, and that’s, and I don’t, I don’t don’t wanna be thought of like, oh, that’s who you are because you’re holding hands with that person. Right. To put you in a box.

Yeah, I, yeah. And I just don’t and even, you know, this isn’t with strangers. I mean that’s my own stuff, so that’s my own stuff. So I really just don’t like titles in that sense. And you know, you can say pansexual, whatever, whatever. But anyway, so, so anyway, so the only place that would have her speak in Boston was at the gay men’s bookstore. Interesting called glad day. And they, they were totally cool with it. Well, the next day, and this was on Columbus day, weekend 92, the next day she was presenting in the New York city Manhattan apartment of Dell Williams.

Who’s the woman who founded Eve’s garden, which is considered the first feminist sex toy store. Yeah. And it opened in 73 in Manhattan. So she presented there and it was a hands-on workshop, which was really hysterical and fun. Yeah. It was like, so she showed the video and it was like, okay, this is GPO and female ejaculation. And then she’s like, oh, you know, all right, who wants to, you know, they had the mirrors up and the speculums and everything. Okay. Who wants to see their GPO?

So this like cute little blonde girl said, oh, I’ll do that. So, you know, everybody’s like, you know, swarming around her. So she spreads, her leg, puts the speculum in, you turn it sideways. If you wanna see your G spot, as opposed to like how they do it, when you do an exam, which actually pushes it up. So you put it sideways. So the handle is on the side. Then you can like really see where the GPO like dips down anyway. So puts the speculum in. She looks and she’s got a cute little blonde GPO. Okay, fine. If you wonder where G-spot in, that’s a whole nother podcast.

So anyway, I’m like, okay, I’ll do this. So I go and I like shoved the thing in and the mirrors there and Deb sun do, who was the editor who was Fanny fatal that I didn’t figure out until that night she looks, she goes, wow, you’ve got a really big and meaty GS spot. And I look at her, I said, that’s cuz I’m a big and meaty girl. You know? So, so that was at, so at the end where this is all leading to like, you know, people are leaving and stuff like that. So we get shooting the shit. So this is Dell Williams, the founder of the oldest sex toy store and Deb sun do, who just had this shit to go down in Boston, you know, and stuff like this.

I said, you know what? We could use a women’s sex toy store in Boston. I could do that. I could do that. Clouds parted bolt of lightning came down. That was it. Wow. That was it. Wow. So I was staying with two lesbian friends of mine at their place. The ones that actually turned me onto on backs magazine. And I went there, I said, I’m gonna open up a woman’s sex toys store in Boston. They’re like, well, if anybody can do it, it’s you, my background, I grew up on top of my father’s furniture store. My two sisters are in retail management.

My grandfather was a troubleshoot for Montgomery ward. This is not a big deal for me to open up a store. Yeah. So I gave myself about a year and then I app at good vibrations in San Francisco in March of 93. And that was incredible. I mean, it was my life calling. I mean, it was just like, this is it. This is it. So whole, whole other stuff. I ended up opening November 93, the name. Oh yeah. So the, so the, well actually going back just a little again is October.

So Columbus day weekend when I drove down to New Jersey, cuz that’s where my family is. That’s where I grew up. I, I talked to my brother about it. So my brother and I are like always on the same wave, ranks, everything like that. He’s my advisor and just guide and everything. So I said, I’m thinking about doing this after my boss at Harvard retires and my boss at Harvard who shall be unnamed, but a very prominent person at Harvard who’s since retired.

He’s 94 and we adore each other still. Yes. Anyway, my brother said, if it’s such a good idea, somebody else is gonna beat you to it. And he goes, who’s life. Are we talking about here? So it got me thinking like he’s right. He’s right. So that I was like, I’m gonna give myself a year. Cuz in academia that’s works really well. It would be at the end of the summer, you know? So that’s when I decided to do it. And then, and you know, he’s like who, who are you gonna get your money from?

I hit up a friend of mine that was a former bartender in the combat zone. Somebody I’d worked with for a while doing catering and stuff. So he, he gave me $14,000 to start the business. And that was in 90. Well, that was 93, November 93. And then 2004, I grossed 1.6 million. Geez. So that was a pretty good proje, you know, trajectory for sure.

Damn straight. Yeah. So I opened up. Oh yeah. And so then I thought I thinking of the name of the store, that was a whole nother story, but yeah. Grand opening. So in 95 the internet was a little baby and I’m like, well I guess I better get grand opening.com. And so I have grand opening.com. So I own the store. I actually was opened in LA for two years in west Hollywood in oh three to oh five. And so I sold the store at the end of oh five.

It was 12 years. And it was like, when you own a business, well, I’ll tell you my one sentence that maybe if anybody was listening, can relate to and owning your own business. Okay. Ready? I miss my store tremendously, but nothing that had my signature on it.

Speaker 1 (14m 44s): I get it.

Speaker 2 (14m 45s): I bet get it. You do.

Speaker 1 (14m 46s): Cause there’s boy, I get it.

Speaker 2 (14m 48s): That’s

Speaker 1 (14m 49s): I so get it. I so

Speaker 2 (14m 50s): Get it. No idea. Unless you’ve been in those shoes. Oh, absolutely. So yeah. So I do miss my store tremendously, but I’m still, you know, obviously very much working in the industry and having yeah. So since I sold it, I didn’t have to live in Boston anymore. The below market rent apartment that I was spoiled with was going condo. So I had to move anyway. So in oh six, I moved out here in LA and I always like to say it’s because I really have an addiction I have to deal with. It’s called motorcycle riding and I’m pretty damned addicted to it. I got three bikes, but I only ride one at a time.

Speaker 1 (15m 23s): Well, that’s a good thing. That’s a good thing. Cuz I think trying to ride three at the same time would deal a little dangerous.

Speaker 2 (15m 28s): I think get a little tricky. It really can. So yeah. I kind of avoid doing that. So yeah. So that’s so I ride motorcycles. I’ve got a motorcycles, all painted with sex toys. It’s called the big vibe. That’s actually my license. Geez, big vibe. Interesting shadow seven 50 it’s seven 50 arrow for those keeping you 2004, keep it track, got a hundred, 2000 miles on it. I’ve had it since it was new. Wow. And then I’ve got another bike. Oh yeah. If you really wanna see something else that I do. Cause I do a lot of things. Just go to slay.

It com I actually right around is Santa Claus between Thanksgiving and Christmas. And I, I totally, I totally do the head to toe Santa thing, even with a Santa hat that fits over a helmet. I love

Speaker 1 (16m 15s): It.

Speaker 2 (16m 16s): I love it. Yeah. And then

Speaker 1 (16m 17s): You market those

Speaker 2 (16m 19s): Well. Yeah. Well I wanna market the whole program because I put unwrap toys in the back and I have a double wide milk crate. That’s that’s in the bottom of a felt Santas SAC. So you don’t see, but that’s what I bunch you down to the, the backseat and the lo track and I put unwrap toys and then I ride into the hood and just anonymously give them out to

Speaker 1 (16m 41s): Kids. Ah, that’s

Speaker 2 (16m 42s): Sweet. So

Speaker 1 (16m 43s): I’m really, that’s very

Speaker 2 (16m 44s): Sweet. Yeah. I’m really dedicated about doing that. Yeah. If you want fun, you can Google an article that was written in 2013. If you do LA times motorcycle, Santa it’ll come up about it and then play it forward. Dot com has a cute video anyway, back to sex and sex toys. Huh? So since, since, well, pretty much, oh five. I’ve still been working in the industry. I’ve worked for several companies since then. And right now I do a lot of writing for companies. I’ll do a ton of freelance. I do consulting when somebody’s like, oh I have I’ve invented an item.

All right. Let’s see what it is. Okay. So you invented a new cocking. Great. Have you checked what the competition is and what else is out there and stuff? So I do a lot of consulting. I don’t put anybody down because a lot of people have ideas and I don’t wanna be the one like, well, that’s a stupid idea. Cause I wouldn’t, I’m not that person, you know, if they do think they have a conquering, that’s really good that doesn’t exist. Well show let’s see what you have in mind. Sure. And then when we start talking about production cost, I know my shit.

I know my shit. And tons of people will tell me that. And I know it inside out is when they start seeing like production and MOQ, which is minimum order, quantity and price breaking and Mo making molds. I mean, that’s, you have to make a mold for everything that’s involved. And this is any consumer product. So it’s not just sex choice, but that get the meter goes higher and higher and higher people have no idea. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (18m 17s): They have an idea. They have an idea and they don’t think about what it’s gonna cost to invest in the idea,

Speaker 2 (18m 21s): Right. To make it. So then they’re like, well, I could sell my idea to a company that already exists and is making them doesn’t work in this business. Nope. The sex industry does not

Speaker 1 (18m 32s): Ask me if you have an I, I, people don’t buy ideas. They buy successful businesses. Well, Kim, I wanna congratulate you because you just set the record for the longest ever answer on adult site, broker talk. So

Speaker 2 (18m 46s): Excellent. I hope everyone found it compelling

Speaker 1 (18m 49s): And

Speaker 2 (18m 49s): Interesting and wanna hear more.

Speaker 1 (18m 52s): Well, I, so

Speaker 2 (18m 53s): Let’s go with the next question.

Speaker 1 (18m 55s): Okay. Hopefully school won’t be quite as long.

Speaker 2 (18m 59s): Okay.

Speaker 1 (18m 60s): What’s the most Nona you were great. So what’s the most incredible technology that’s in the adult toy world. Now

Speaker 2 (19m 7s): I would say it’s definitely the remote control and app control, which is there’s more and more toys that are doing that. And the pricing has come down, especially around remotes. Remotes used to be fucking crazy expensive, like in 95. I think there was a little bullet vibe about this size of the top of your thumb. Right? So pretty small that had two thin wires coming out. Well, you’d pull on the wires and it you’d kill it. Right. It was 250 fucking dollars for that.

And now you can get a remote control toy for like 25 30 bucks maybe. Sure. And they work and they don’t have those stinky wires sticking out of ’em. So the remote control stuff is fucking amazing. I mean, you get like evolved, make someone that, that you can inflate remote control. You can, you know, deflate and of course vibrating for sure. Rotation, all remote control. It’s just like amazing. And that’s within a room and then there’s other toys in manufacturers that make them that are app controlled too.

So, you know, you can get, you can have ’em both that way too. And then like, like the Kru K I I R O O toys.

Speaker 1 (20m 19s): Yes. Yeah. I know those guys.

Speaker 2 (20m 20s): Right. And love end. Right. So they that’s, they’re really popular with the camming community. Yes. Because you can, you know, pass along the information to your client and they can control it and woo. You know, everybody makes money on that one. So yeah. Virtual

Speaker 1 (20m 35s): Sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20m 37s): That’s, that’s so amazing. And then something that’s really intrigued me that I’ve seen, you know, cuz I get all the new toys to review and everything. So I kind know what’s out, out there, the, the qu quality and quantity to a, a certain extent of the guy toys that are out now, the masturbates that suck and vibrate and tug and

Speaker 1 (21m 2s): Ah, do tell

Speaker 2 (21m 3s): Stroke, oh my, they give me fucking penis envy. Let me tell you. I’m like, Jesus, I wish I had something stuff in this. This looks fucking awesome. Like I just got one, there’s a company, Chinese company. I don’t know how much they’re infiltrating the us. That’s a whole nother, that’s a whole nother thing. Tracy’s dog. So it’s like, it’s kind of a little clumsy shaped, I mean, but you know, whatever, but it just it’s you put your junk in it and it’s got, you know, the TPR sleeve and you put it in and it, it like massages and sucks.

Your Dick. I’m like, man, I would love this. There’s

Speaker 1 (21m 46s): Have you ever, do you ever, do you ever bring guys in to help you with your reviews

Speaker 2 (21m 50s): Every once in a while? You know, of course everybody wants to be that guy, but, but it’s

Speaker 1 (21m 56s): Like, no, no, but no, but I, I was just, I was just kind of thinking to truly review a male sex toy don’t you have to have,

Speaker 2 (22m 5s): Have a Dick gift. Sure. Yeah. Well, I, I have a lot of dicks. They just don’t have nerve endings.

Speaker 1 (22m 12s): Well, I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah. Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22m 17s): So yeah. I mean, you know, yeah. I do have, do have some guy testers, but it’s so funny cuz I mean, I take testing toys pretty seriously. Of course, in the sense that like I’m like, all right, this is a good shape, you know? Oh yeah, this is a good one, you know? And, and I know what I like and blah, blah, blah and stuff. And so guys, I they’re, I, you know, I haven’t, I know there’s plenty of ’em out there, but I haven’t met a guy that takes testing sex toys as seriously as I do.

They’re

Speaker 1 (22m 48s): Like felt great.

Speaker 2 (22m 50s): They’re like, yeah, felt great. Now fuck me. You know, it’s like, no, I wanna test the product. How do you like it? It’s it’s OK. Yeah. No, my Dick it’s like, no, I wanted, you know, no, just like this. So

Speaker 1 (23m 4s): I think you need to find some new testers. So if anyone’s, if anyone’s listening in the Los Angeles area, who’s looking to be a male sex toy tester, please contact Kims on social media.

Speaker 2 (23m 16s): And don’t like, think that I’m gonna fucking put out because your Dick is gonna go into some gizmo. All, I love

Speaker 1 (23m 24s): It. What’s the most amazing thing you’ve invented.

Speaker 2 (23m 30s): Oh gosh, let me think. Well, I was, I brought a product to market and this was in 2015. I think it was called bubble love. And it was an underwater, basically an underwater jet that would pull air down on a tube. And so it would shoot. So yeah, everybody’s thinking of jacuzzi, but any of us with Volvos, you go up against a jacuzzi jet and it can be kind of harsh, you know? Yeah. I like it, but it can be like, wow.

You know, especially when you start really digging into the naughty bits, you know, and not just like trying to go on on outer laborer or something like that. So it was bubble love. So it would be a really strong sensation, but it was combined with bubbles. It was pretty damn amazing. And it was engineered. And how I found that inventor of that was through a friend that met that, met him at a wedding and he said, and he was a guest. And he’s like, yeah, somebody I’ve, he, he was actually the money guy behind it.

He’s like, yeah, I’ve got a sex toy. I have no idea how to get it out in the industry. My friend’s like, have I got the person for you? So I worked with a lot of it with the packaging and all that and everything. And then when we released it, I had all my friends in the business say, you didn’t tell me about this. I’m like exactly. You know, that’s how I roll. So anyway, what happened sadly incredibly sadly, was that the guy who engineered it did not engineer. Okay. Listen to this people, if you wanna invent a product, did not engineer the lithium ion battery on inside this sealed silicone casing to last more than a year.

Oops. Right. Because you have to assume that once you and this is from date of manufacturer, okay. So it’s gonna take, you know, three like figure three months for manufacturer on the water to the us. So three months, time is tick nine months left, goes to a distributor, sits on a shelf, goes to a retailer, sits on a shelf, the product end up failing. Oh no. Once it lost its charge, you could not recharge it.

Oh shit. So, and that was because he didn’t engineer the battery to last long enough for a three year cycle of sitting on the shelf. He should

Speaker 1 (25m 58s): Have talked to Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 (25m 60s): He fucking should have talked to me. I know Elon Musk. I know. Huh. So for sure. So that was a thing. And so when I, cuz I was brand manager, I was like running the show and doing the trainings and everything like this. And so I started getting him back and we warrantied it for, it was at least a year warranty and I’m getting him back. I’m like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? It’s what you know. And when they started, what a

Speaker 1 (26m 23s): Disaster

Speaker 2 (26m 24s): It’s like, are you fucking kidding? He’s like, well I engineered to last a year. I’m like, you didn’t fucking ask me, you know, I could have told you this day one, it’s gotta be a three year engineering for the battery at least. So that product failed. And so that’s, that was, I mean that I was really a hundred million percent behind that product. Sure. And it didn’t work.

Speaker 1 (26m 48s): That’s a, that’s a bummer.

Speaker 2 (26m 50s): So that’s a total bummer. So yeah, there’s a, there’s another product that I’m behind that I had seen pop up somewhere in my social media or something called the water slide and that’s pretty cool. So I’m like, I don’t know about this product. So I got in touch with them and I’m like, I can make your product bigger in this industry and what it is. It’s really simple. It’s poly tying and it’s kind of like a stretched out Z shape and you attach it to a, a outward facing bathtub faucet with just a ribbon and then it shoots the water out.

So girls and Volvo owners out there, how do we get off? Usually the first time you scrunch under the water, the faucet and the bathtub. So this, you don’t have to scrunch

Speaker 1 (27m 37s): Never heard that. I’ve never heard that before. See I learned something

Speaker 2 (27m 42s): Good. So water slides. So I still work with them and everything, but I got them into with distributors and you know, I got, ’em much more into the network of adult stores. So it’s doing really well. I’m really happy about it. And you know, cuz I feel like I, I, you know, I’m a part of it and the woman that invented it. She’s awesome. I love her to pieces, Maureen Pollock. She’s great. And it’s just a really great product and I really believe in ’em you know, so that’s some, you know, company I worked with as well.

Speaker 1 (28m 11s): So what is your favorite lubricant?

Speaker 2 (28m 14s): My favorite lubricant. It’s more of a style than just the type or just the company. I love hybrid lubricants. Okay. I know one of the questions is why do I fucking hate silicone lube?

Speaker 1 (28m 27s): Wait, let me ask it. Why do you fucking hate silicone lube? That wasn’t the exact words, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (28m 32s): I’m gonna just drop the FBO in that one because it’s that’s podcast, you know? Okay. Yes. So there’s, there’s simplicity for simplicity sake. There’s three kinds of lube water based lube, silicone lube and hybrid. So water based lube. I love water lube cuz it’s easy to wash off for me. That’s the biggest key, right? Easy to wash off. So water BA my body’s water based. So it does really well with my body. Very good. I don’t have any issues with any ingredient, except I hate that warming and cooling stuff.

I hate that stuff, but anyway, that’s my personal thing. Okay. Why I fucking hate silicone lubricant. You cannot wash that off. It’s like oil. Hmm. It’s like oil. So you can have it all over your junk and everything like that. What I hate about it when it’s on your fucking hands, because then it’s like all over the toys, it’s all over the light switches. It’s all over everything. I hate Silicon loop. A lot of people love it because you don’t have to keep adding lubricant or adding water with a water based loop.

Sure. I get that. But I hate it because it’s, I just, I even hate opening the bottles because it’s like it gets on the bottle, you know, and just hates Hybrid on the other hand has the qualities of both. So it’s a hybrid. Like we have, you know, electric and gas hybrid cars. So it’s, it’s got the properties of a water based lube, but it lasts longer than a typical water based lube because it does have usually little silicone in it too, but not like a pure silicone lube.

So hybrid lube, it works great with any of the toys. Oh, I’ll just jump into this. Since we have active listeners and you do wanna learn something. Yes. Okay. It’s been thought that do not. And it’ll say this on packages and everything do not use a silicone based lube with silicone toys. All right. Well that goes, let’s go to the way back machine to 1997, when there were only a like two or three sex toy manufacturers and one of ’em in particular VIX and creations.

If you used a silicone lubricant with a Vixen creations toy, it would change the surface of the toy and make it sticky. Like, oh, I’ll just wash my toy. Oh no, it changed it chemically. You could not wash. So it would like remain sticky.

Speaker 1 (31m 3s): Oh it kind of reminds me of my BMW door handles here. The heat

Speaker 2 (31m 7s): That sure could be. So that’s when that started. Oh, don’t you Silicon lube with silicone toys. Well,

Speaker 1 (31m 14s): But, but I’ve never put silicone lube on it just to let you

Speaker 2 (31m 16s): Know. Probably not because then you won’t be able, just won’t be able to get in your car. Don’t do that. That’s like don’t use armor roll on the surface of your tire. That will fuck up your tires. Use it only outside. So it looks good in pictures. That’s it. There you go. Or don’t put it on your seat of your car because you’re gonna like, feel like you’re in, ameba in your car seat. All right. So yeah, so that’s when that started in 97. Okay. So a lot of things have changed if you’re gonna ha try silicone loop with silicone toy, just put like two or three drops of the silicone loop on a surface of your sex toy.

Silicone sex toy can be any kind, silicone put it on a space where you’re not gonna be using it. So you’re not gonna use like the bottom of the base. You know, you’re not gonna use any toy will have a surface on it that you will not be using that. So you put like two or three drops there and leave it overnight right there. And then in the morning, wipe it off. And if you can wipe it off and it’s nice and clean, no problem using that lube with a toy, if it sticky, eh, do not use that lubricant with, with that toy.

Yeah. So yeah. So that’s, that’s kind of the trick with that, but yeah. So that’s why I like hybrid lubes. It’s creamy. It’s excellent for making it look like fake come when you wanna do like come shots and stuff. It’s great. Wicked makes a really good one. Simply simply hybrid their whole simply. Line’s really nice. Yeah. There’s a whole bunch of companies that make a hybrid lube. So those, those are my favorite just cuz it’s easy to wash off. That’s it? And it works with toys.

Speaker 1 (32m 56s): How many jobs have you had in your, in your life? She laughed.

Speaker 2 (33m 2s): I laugh hysterically. Cause people are like, you’ve done that too. I’ve worked in the technical library for Duracell their technical library before like the internet. It was Lexus nexus searches. So yeah. Duracell and for GAF corporation, let’s see I’ve ocean county public library worked there. I’ve worked. I’ve probably had at least 30 different jobs.

Yeah. Building superintendent, house painting interior. I used to race hydroplanes. Not that in board hydroplanes. Not that that was a job, but it was definitely an adventure. That was when I was a teenager. Okay. I was chairman of the division of the new England division of the United States fencing association. So I was competitive fencer for a number of years. Oh wow. Yeah. Just totally cool. I’ve been vice president of my motorcycle club.

Let’s see. And jobs. I mean, I’ve worked for several sex toy companies, pipe, dream products, top go impulse, novelties, a small company channel one releasing. Let’s see, I worked for a lubricant company that shall go unnamed. Well

Speaker 1 (34m 24s): They must make, they must make Silicon lubes. Then

Speaker 2 (34m 27s): It’s a major one. Yeah, of course they do. Yeah. Let’s see. I,

Speaker 1 (34m 33s): You ever tell, did you ever tell hate their product?

Speaker 2 (34m 36s): Well, that one people always knew that I don’t like silicone lube. Fortunately they made several different kinds, so ah, okay. You know, which is good. Yeah. But so I could, I can, I could never promote. I only promote things I believe in and things I use, you know, honest to Pete because I, I don’t wanna bullshit people. I, I don’t that’s I have never bullshit people my whole life I used to sell brass at Frederick’s yeah. I just threw that in because I love Fredericks and Hollywood brass and they’re great.

It’s unfortunately they’re not there. Yeah. But yeah, so that’s, that’s a big part. So like they, yeah, but if somebody said, oh we have Silicon lube, you wanna promote? I’d be like, no, I’ll just write about it. But I won’t. I can’t, I that’s it now that so point

Speaker 1 (35m 23s): You won’t write real positively about

Speaker 2 (35m 25s): It. No, I, when I review a Silicon, it’s more like I kind of write about the attributes of it. Hmm. I won’t write like I fucking hate Silicon lubricant.

Speaker 1 (35m 38s): You don’t say that in there, huh?

Speaker 2 (35m 40s): No, no, no. The weird thing, the weird thing is when I get a flavored lubricant that I don’t like flavored lubricant, you know what? This is something with lubricants. Okay. Why, how come? Well, actually there is one company that makes it, but they don’t make pussy flavored lubricant. And I know there’s not just one taste. Trust me on that. But I had brought that up with a lubricant manufacturer and they look at like what? And it actually, what made me think about it was that I had gotten a question cuz I get questions all the time from a guy who said my wife went through menopause and her taste had changed.

Speaker 1 (36m 19s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (36m 20s): Which I totally get. Cuz it’s all hormonal. Yeah. And he goes, and I miss that taste. He goes, it was just so beautiful. And, and I thought, oh cuz you know, I’m such an empath. And it was, I was like, oh I bet that’s I bet that, you know, that’s sad. And I thought, wouldn’t it be great if there was a lubricant that would taste like, you know, there would probably be like 10 different tastes I think. But whenever I bring that up, people are like, that’s weird. I’m like, no it’s not weird and stuff. I thought about making, okay, here’s a good one.

It’s out there already. But I thought we should make a flavored anal and then the, the tagline could be so your asshole don’t taste like shit

Speaker 1 (37m 3s): Now that’s good.

Speaker 2 (37m 4s): Isn’t that a good one? I know. I’ve got a lot of

Speaker 1 (37m 7s): Those. I love a lot of those. I love

Speaker 2 (37m 8s): It. That would be a good one. All what’s another question. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37m 15s): What is the, why do you crack me up? What does the, what does the

Speaker 2 (37m 19s): Future have?

Speaker 1 (37m 21s): What does the future hold for you?

Speaker 2 (37m 24s): I will tell you. And I will tell everybody that listens to your podcast.

Speaker 1 (37m 29s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (37m 30s): All right. You’re ready.

Speaker 1 (37m 33s): I was ready when I asked the question,

Speaker 2 (37m 34s): I was gonna say, I’m gonna get naked for you right now. It’s a good one. So if you can’t tell you my dear, as well as your dear listeners, I have a crazy passion for sex and all things

Speaker 1 (37m 53s): I couldn’t tell. I couldn’t

Speaker 2 (37m 54s): Tell. I know I try to put a lid on it every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (37m 57s): You really do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37m 59s): And I just do a lot of things in sex. I’m also drummer please. 64 years old, which is like really fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (38m 9s): But anyway, join the club.

Speaker 2 (38m 11s): Oh, it’s so weird.

Speaker 1 (38m 12s): We’re the same age. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (38m 14s): There you go. Huh? I know. So, and I’m funny. Okay. I know I’m to a whole hour and a half show on sex toys and it’s also edutainment. So it’s got like a whole lot of other information like BDSM and anal sex and GPO. And so the title of the show is you ready for it? I am, am. It’s called. You wanna put that? Where I came up with the title? It’s a good one. So what I wanna do because there is no one in this market right now is be that funny old lady that talks frankly, and honestly, and hysterically about sex.

Speaker 1 (38m 55s): I think it would go great.

Speaker 2 (38m 56s): I think so too. So that’s, you’re

Speaker 1 (38m 58s): Talking, we’re talking about standup, right?

Speaker 2 (38m 60s): Stand up, stand up. Yeah. Stand up. And just really, you know, being that outrageous older woman that talks about all sorts of things, including fucking young men. Like not fucking young man, but fucking young man. Yes. Because they shoot off like Geers, you know, you get somebody who’s 64 and it’s like,

Speaker 1 (39m 26s): No comment.

Speaker 2 (39m 28s): I’ll tell you, you get these young guys and like you have to duck it or else, you know, you’ll get hit in the, you know, it’s like that. Wow. That’s that on the ceiling?

Speaker 1 (39m 35s): Huh? Or anything

Speaker 2 (39m 37s): I’ll tell you, you’re like,

Speaker 1 (39m 38s): Woo. You’ll have to, you’ll have to let me know when you start this and that will be a whole other podcast

Speaker 2 (39m 44s): It’s gonna be so yeah. So that’s the, you know, and I know that a lot of it is over social media now, but I really love performing in front of live audiences. Cause get so much more feel out of it. So yeah. So stay tuned on that. Cause I’m, I’m doing a lot,

Speaker 1 (39m 58s): I mean, coming to a comedy, coming to a comedy club near you.

Speaker 2 (40m 2s): Oh no, I know. Yeah. And it’s long, you know, it’s kind of cuz I have performed at comedy clubs, but they have to know what I’m gonna be presenting. So if you’re like doing 10 minutes or you know, 15 minutes at a place, I don’t wanna start cracking out DDoS and vibrators and shit like that because that can like really throw people off. And especially like in this politically correct world, you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna trigger people. I mean, that’s what I, I don’t, that’s not my Mo on any of this, you know? Sure, sure. So the thing is it would be like my own doing, doing my show on a bigger scale, you know, cuz then people will know that’s what it’s about.

You know, it’s like the world of sex toys and all this stuff like this, but yeah. And crack ’em out. And I mean, that’s the thing is when I do my shows is I’ll have like a table with about 30 different things on it, but I don’t necessarily talk about all of them, but it’s just like, it’s all improv. I could never study a script and it just depends on like where I wanna go with it. And then of course I know like a lot of my beats with a lot of the products and things like that, but it’s, it’s all improv. So it depends on what the audience feedback is, what they wanna learn, what, you know, what tangent I go off on, you know?

And just,

Speaker 1 (41m 12s): I can’t imagine a tangent me

Speaker 2 (41m 16s): To entertain. No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41m 18s): That’s not, that’s not even possible.

Speaker 2 (41m 20s): No, it’s not my wheelhouse. So no. So that’s, that’s what’s that’s I posted in the future. Should

Speaker 1 (41m 27s): You should do it at, at some of the adult at some of the adult shows. I think I’d be great.

Speaker 2 (41m 32s): Yeah. Yeah. I mean I’ve, MCed the O awards for a number years, so that’s been good. And

Speaker 1 (41m 37s): That wasn’t a fun when I said, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (41m 39s): Oh, oh no. So that was improv. And it was so funny cuz I love doing anatomy also. And I’ve got the Volvo puppet, the onerous Volvo puppet, which my pal Dory lays. Awesome. It’s great. It’s it’s a hand puppet. It it’s I’ve used it in tons of workshops. It’s really great. So I kind of, where was one? I forget what year I was hosting it. I think it was actually 2020 right before the shutdown and stuff. Of course. And so I do the anatomy, you know, with the pussy puppet and then I crack out a DDA with a section cup and I’m like, this is a Dick. And then I just tossed it over my shoulder and the fucking thing, I was twirling the in the air and then slams right down on the suction cup base.

Oh

Speaker 1 (42m 17s): I love it.

Speaker 2 (42m 17s): So everybody thought I practiced that I’m like

Speaker 1 (42m 22s): That

Speaker 2 (42m 25s): Hysterical. I’m just the didn’t like how it landed and stuff. It was like, oh my God, I’ve got it on video. It’s pretty funny. So yeah. So it’s just so that’s, that’s what I wanna do is just really, you know, out there honest stuff and stuff. So, so yeah, so it’s a matter of just kind of getting it out there and yeah. Doing the media thing a lot more and the social media thing obviously sounds like fun. Stay tuned. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42m 51s): Let me know. Let me know.

Speaker 2 (42m 53s): I will, as a matter of fact,

Speaker 1 (42m 55s): So who’s the most famous person you’ve ever trained motorcycle riding.

Speaker 2 (43m 0s): Okay. For all of you, sons of anarchy fans out there, and I know there’s a few of you. I trained rat boy. Oh. So he was on the third season and went all the way through the eighth. And what, what if you,

Speaker 1 (43m 14s): If you say, say so, never seen it. So

Speaker 2 (43m 17s): As I know, it’s true. It’s true. Nico, Nico, Tara, great, wonderful sweetheart of a guy. And he was working as a waiter, which is what you do before you break into acting here in LA. Yes. And he was working as a waiter and he got on the show and Kurt Sutter had said, oh, it’s a show about motorcycles. If you learn how to ride, we will pay for it for instruction. You’ll get written in the show a lot more. So he had taken the safety course, which is what I always recommend. And then he asked around where he worked like, do you know anybody who does motorcycle coaching?

And this guy said, yeah, Kim does. So they co connected us. So I trained him like more, it was funny cuz it’s really, it’s a lot like horseback riding. Like they make it look so easy on TV, but it’s really, there’s, there’s like five things you have to do when, before you take off on a motorcycle, you know, and you don’t think of these things. Like a lot of times you don’t even think of them when you’re a rider, but I had to break it down and we actually did drills of getting on your bike fast and getting off your bike fast.

Sure. Because that’s what they do on TV and stuff. So we did that of course. And we also did close riding, which I don’t train on, but that’s what they do in TV. So it was, it was so he would feel not spooked if, you know, I pulled up like two feet away from him, you know, I would never recommend doing that, like training a person, but this was for the TV thing. So he’s a great rider and stuff we haven’t ridden in a while, but he’s up for it anytime. Very cool. So, so yeah, so that was great. And, and we would go to Harley dealers and people were like, wait aren’t you on sunset?

And he’s like, yeah, like he’s so chill. Like yeah, yeah. You know and stuff. So yeah. He’s gotten a lot of mileage out there. He’s in the movie now. Cause, cause I think that was his, well, I know that was his groundbreaking break to be an actor. So he’s pretty regularly doing gigs and movies in the latest is the mark Walberg film called father St. So he’s in there, he’s in the trailer and he’s like one like that gives him advice and he’s all kind of dark and stuff. So yeah. It’s like, yeah, go Nico.

So yeah. It’s cool. He’s a great guy.

Speaker 1 (45m 23s): Very, very cool. Yeah. Well remind people where to find you on social media,

Speaker 2 (45m 28s): Everywhere. Kim HES. I RS, I’m working on TikTok. That’s the only one I have. I haven’t I’ve got it. No

Speaker 1 (45m 35s): TikTok.

Speaker 2 (45m 36s): Well, it’s got, well the thing, because I wanna do it. So I registered for it and then they’re like, okay, what’s your password? And I put in my password, it’s like, that’s not your password. And it’s like, that’s my fucking password. But so it’s the backend stuff that I have to straighten out. And you can’t talk to anybody who’s there. Yes, of course. So, and you know, that’s the old school, you know, God forbid. And then yeah. So they’re like, well you could be Kim airs one. It’s like, no, I am Kim heirs. I’m not the impersonator of, so I gotta deal with that.

But I’m on, oh God, I’m Patreon. Only fans. It’s just sex ed. I don’t show my junk. Sorry guys. Just don’t do that. Let’s see YouTube. Kim’s you got that? Twitter, Instagram, all Kim airs. What else is there? There’s a few of them. Wait, let me, oh yeah. I’m on cameo, which has been a real food. I go as naughty grandma. I record really funny videos from people on cameo.

Another one that’s pretty, it’s interesting is mentor do so mentor.cam. I do one to one sessions with people. Very good. So that’s, that’s a really good one. Cuz then people can really ask me stuff and, and I can show them toys or I can talk to them and stuff. I am not a therapist. So I make that really clear. I’m not a therapist, but let me tell you, I know more than like probably fucking 90% of the sex therapists that are out there. Sure. And I experience it. I walk the walk and talk the talk.

It’s not like I’ve read it from a book. Okay. So there’s a lot to be said about personal experience when it comes to this stuff too. And just people that I’ve worked with. I mean, it’s pretty amazing. That’s you? Me? I also have a podcast too. It’s called sex chat with Kim HES that I’ve got guests and also my own stuff and, and just all sorts. I take questions from listeners. You can get me at Kim HES sex chat. So it has two S’s in the middle Kim air sex chat, gmail.com. And that all get goes straight to me.

And so I answer questions from that and yeah. And then grand opening.com. You’ll see my lovely face on it. Holding a bouquet of sex toys. Fabulous. That’s a good fun place. And I’ll throw in a little a lit just cause I love you. Aw. I am gonna put in a code, a discount code for any of your listeners. What, what would you suggest? What would be a good word?

Speaker 3 (48m 9s): Bruce. Bruce is good.

Speaker 2 (48m 12s): Okay. BR Bruce is good. Would be a good code. So I’ll, I’ll, I’ll enter that in tonight actually. So at check out, if you enter the word Bruce or the name, Bruce, you’ll get a discount from grand opening.com and that’ll just be, let’s see. So put that through the end of

Speaker 1 (48m 34s): No, well, I should, I should tell you and everybody that we’re recording this April 26th, but it’s not gonna run until

Speaker 3 (48m 41s): August. So

Speaker 2 (48m 43s): August you’re ahead of the game. I’ll just, you know what?

Speaker 1 (48m 46s): I got so many, I got such a backlog of interviews. My apologies.

Speaker 2 (48m 51s): Oh, that’s just bump. ’em put me

Speaker 3 (48m 53s): Up

Speaker 1 (48m 53s): For yeah. For you.

Speaker 2 (48m 54s): Absolutely. No, what I’ll do is I won’t let it expire because that’s video podcast as I can just live out there and I don’t think I absolutely I’ll put a coupon in there for Bruce. So just put Bruce in it, check out and you’ll get a little discount there and we love discounts. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (49m 12s): That’s really,

Speaker 2 (49m 13s): Yes we do. Lucky listeners.

Speaker 3 (49m 15s): I do appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (49m 15s): Excellent.

Speaker 1 (49m 16s): Well, Hey Kim.

Speaker 2 (49m 17s): Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (49m 18s): I’d like to thank you for being our guest today and adult site broker talk, and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (49m 25s): Absolutely. And meet I R L

Speaker 1 (49m 29s): My broker tip today has to do with what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, this will be the first in a multi-part series. First, make sure you’re converting as much of your traffic as possible. Traffic’s expensive. Whether it’s search engine, traffic, review, site, traffic, or affiliate traffic, you paid a lot for it. So make sure that when someone lands on your site, you give them every opportunity possible to either spend money or do whatever it is you want your visitors to do in the case of a pay site, make sure your billing options allow as many people as possible to buy, have multiple ways to pay in north America.

Most everyone has a credit card, but in other parts of the world credit cards, aren’t used nearly as much in Europe. For instance, credit card usage is low. So look for billing options that will match the areas where your traffic comes from in Europe, ACH and debit cards are used a lot in Africa and other developing countries. Many people pay by mobile, do your homework and find out how people pay in the regions you get. Most of your traffic from it will make you more money. The worst thing you can do is get a visitor, have them want to buy, but since you don’t have their preferred way to pay, they can’t.

If you’re looking for suggestions, feel free to get in touch with me via my website. Along with this is to improve your user experience, make your site attractive and easy to navigate. People have more options than ever these days. I can’t tell you how many sites I go to. Even some that are owned by fairly large companies where the navigation isn’t obvious to the user, you poke around for what seems like forever to do something that should be relatively easy. Keep it simple. Before you launch any changes to your site, ask your friends to go to the site and check it out.

Unfortunately, designers and tech geeks don’t think like us. You need real people to look at your site for you. The same kinds of people who will be visiting your site next, make a good offer. If you’re selling something and the offer, isn’t good. You won’t make money. It’s plain and simple as that. And if your offer is to contact you to get more information, then make the offer attractive and easy to understand. If you’re selling something, make buying easy, show them an easy way to buy and then leave, help them by making suggestions on what to buy.

amazon.com is the best at this. They always have suggestions on what to buy based on your buying and browsing history. They use AI to do this. There are AI engines available these days at a modest cost. Look into this. If you can, don’t clutter up your site with unnecessary items, buttons, and images. Keep it as simple as possible. The best and most successful sites are the simple ones. The ones that lead you to take the action you’d like them to do. It’s not that hard. Just remember when you’re putting together any site, try to think through the buying process, like a human being, whatever you do, don’t turn that over to your designer.

Don’t just say, build me a website. What you’ll get out the other end will not give you what it is. You’re looking for. Give them as much direction as possible and make it easy for them to build a site for you that makes your business succeed. We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with Andra of webmaster access.
And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Kim Airs. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of adult site broker, and welcome to adult site broker talk, where each week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry. And we give you a tip on buying and selling websites. This week. we’ll be speaking with Michael Ramos of ASN Entertainment.

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Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today on adult site, broker talk is Michael Ramos, CEO, and founder of ASN entertainment. Michael, thanks for being with us today on adult site broker talk,

Speaker 2 (2m 25s): Bruce, it’s a pleasure to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (2m 28s): Hey, it’s great to have you now Michael started the magazine in 2011, which was the first of its kind in the lifestyle. They began with a vision and one website and ASN lifestyle magazine and have since grown ASN entertainment into a successful and versatile company. Michael came from the hospitality sector as a GM, as well as a systems administrator out of west Palm beach, Florida. People always ask what ASM stands for and the answer is simple. It stands for adult social network.

That’s simple. It stands for all of us. Now their focus is to be the leader in providing the lifestyle community, the tools and the information needed to navigate all that the crazy lifestyle world holds. So Michael, tell me where you’re based and where are most of your readers?

Speaker 2 (3m 18s): Well, we’re based in Orlando, Florida, the sunshine state, our reader base actually comes from all over the world. The magazine is global magazine.

Speaker 1 (3m 28s): So did it pretty much start out domestic and then branch out from there?

Speaker 2 (3m 32s): Correct, Bruce. We started probably I think with less than a hundred readers when we started. Hmm. And that was back in 2018 when we got the magazine actually up and running to where it was, it was good to go out, but now we’re celebrating our fourth year and we have a reach of over 3 million, 3 million people globally. Wow.

Speaker 1 (3m 54s): Wow. So what do you attribute all the growth to

Speaker 2 (3m 57s): The magazine’s free? I mean, it’s that, it’s the fact that we have really good contributors that, that are in the magazine each month.

Speaker 1 (4m 5s): Okay. Now you also have an online edition talk a little bit about the, the difference between the two and you know, how, how the online versions going.

Speaker 2 (4m 21s): Well, our distribution is only online. We, we, we never got into the print game just because, oh, okay. We, we, we vary in the page count each month, which gives us the flexibility to have either, you know, we could fit a ton of content into, into the space versus being constrained by a printer. That’s only gonna limit us to print X amount pages each month. Sure, sure. So with, with that said, you know, it’s the digital online’s been very successful. The magazine itself is almost, it gives you the, the feel, it gives you everything, but the smell of a real magazine, cause you have the, the, the flip, you have the, the sound of the pages flipping, it gives you all that.

Speaker 1 (5m 0s): Right. And, and you know, in, in this day and age let’s face it pretty much everything’s going digital, isn’t it?

Speaker 2 (5m 7s): Correct. I mean, even Playboy after all these years has finally gone completely digital with their publication.

Speaker 1 (5m 13s): Yeah. That was kind of necessitated, I think, by money. So, so how did ASN get started and, and what was the goal at that time

Speaker 2 (5m 26s): Originally when ASN started and hence where the acronym ASN stands for adult social network was we tried to produce a website like SDC SLS back in the day. Okay. And that we were trying to find our niche into this market space. And we were hit with brick walls, a lot of resistance and stuff like that. People didn’t want another dating website or swinger’s website. So after spending lots of money and, and we sat there at the dinner table one night and said, look, you know what, there’s no media company or exposure that’s happening in the lifestyle.

Why don’t we be that source? And the light opened off in the head, you know, and the Jew and me, which I’m Jewish said, let’s produce this.

Speaker 1 (6m 9s): Likewise.

Speaker 2 (6m 10s): And that’s where it’s, that’s where it was born. We became, we, we hit that vacuum. Someone had made the example that there was a vacuum and we were able to suck into it when we got the lifestyle. Because originally when we were told that no one was gonna read the magazine, right. No one was gonna wanna be in the magazine. And we’re now in, like I said, our fourth year and I have probably over a year and a half waiting list on, on the cover. Wow. So it’s, you know, it’s, it’s been very successful. We’re very proud of what we’re doing. We’re very humble.

Speaker 1 (6m 39s): You know, you said you got a lot of resistance. Talk, talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (6m 44s): Well, the resistance came from within the lifestyle itself, being in the, in the lifestyle for, we were 15 years when I decided this was something that we were gonna do. I went to what I thought was the top echelon of the lifestyle. Okay. And gave them this idea of what I wanted to do. And some of the people were very supportive and, and said, you know, we got your back, we’ll support you. And some of those people were actually in the magazine, but then there were some people that said, no, it’s not gonna work. No one’s gonna wanna be in it. And it’s just, you’re wasting your time and you’re wasting your money.

Hmm. And I think the reason they said that is because if I didn’t go through with it, they would’ve came around and done it because it’s, it’s a, it’s a success.

Speaker 1 (7m 23s): Oh, sure, sure. It’s a great idea. But, but you also said that you got resistance to starting another social network, you know, you mentioned SDC. Correct. Was that, I mean, tell me about that part.

Speaker 2 (7m 38s): That, that, that’s actually kind of funny, cuz everything comes, comes to fruit nutrition, the same people that were saying, you know, you know, we don’t want you doing this because 15 years ago and, and probably still true to today, the lifestyle, they tried to keep everybody in their box. So if you, if you’re member of this site, will, we don’t want you on this site. You know, you can’t do this. You gotta go to our parties, blah, blah, blah. Well, you know, so that was, that was the resistance. But the funny thing is, is that resistance then became my advertisers.

So now the people that were fighting me are now paying me. I love it. It’s it’s, you know, and SDC, for example, we’ve been in a relationship with them since 2019 and they’re actually my tele sponsor of our award show this year. Hmm. So you could just see how far we’ve come, you know, from being not wanting to talk to one another to actually working, working together,

Speaker 1 (8m 31s): That’s a little hard to understand because let’s face it. You guys like, like the entire adult industry get a lot of noise from the outside, but I think people in the lifestyle even get more noise because let’s face it. And you know, the, the, the preconceived notion is you’ve got a, you’ve got a man and you’ve got a woman and that’s a relationship. And the lifestyle really deviates from that. Not in a negative way, but I mean, it, it, it, it’s different than the, the preconceived notion, the religious norms, whatever you wanna call it.

Right. And here you wanted to start another social network that had to do with the lifestyle. So tell, maybe you can fill me in a little bit more since I’m not in the lifestyle. Maybe you can fill me in a little bit more about how the people are in that respect to, I don’t know, to, to why are they trying to put everybody in a box?

Speaker 2 (9m 32s): Well, I think what’s happened since that the stigma or, or the things where they were wanting to keep everybody in the box. I think what the magazine did was open up that box, it opened up and say, Hey, you know, this is who we are. We’re proud of what we are. You know, everyone has the outside thing swinging necessarily means, you know, everyone’s going and having an orgy. Yeah. That’s not necessarily the case. I mean, Sweden itself has so many levels of, of what a swinger is. Sure. You could be a swinger and actually not have sex with anybody. You’re just part of a group that, that likes to get together and, and hang out.

Or you could, like we did is we formed a niche with a couple couples that we’ve grown to very fond of over the years. And that’s kind of where we play. We don’t go outside of that group. Okay. But then you, you know, you have the other, the younger generation of swingers that do this whole mass, you know, you know, everyone’s gonna have sex with everybody and, and that’s okay. But as far as the, the stigma about maybe what the outside was seeing, I think that the magazine has helped reshape that because of the, the contributors.

Like I said, that we have, we have some of the best sexologists and therapists in the country that are in the magazine as contributors case in point, our, our may cover is therapists out of central Texas from a, a company, well known therapist company called evolve, your intimacy. Yeah. So having that, we’re able to educate cuz our magazine rides that line right now where I think a lot of our readership is people wanting to know what the lifestyle’s about. So we’re able to educate that part of it and whether they wanna play or just get an understanding of what it is because what they see in the movies and what is reality is, is total opposites.

So I think that’s where the magazine comes in line and helps in creates the, the, the, the group versus the separation.

Speaker 1 (11m 27s): But why didn’t they want another social network? I mean that, I mean, that’s the that’s well,

Speaker 2 (11m 31s): You,

Speaker 1 (11m 32s): It’s hard. That’s the part that hard, that’s hard to understand where you said, well, you, you know, you go to these parties and no, you go to these parties. No, you go to the site, you go to the site. Why is that?

Speaker 2 (11m 43s): Because it comes down to dollars. It comes down to what people are paying. And, and instead of realizing that the lifestyle has so much of a market that everybody can play in the same lake, they feared that, that by having someone that belongs to their site to another site and go to those parties, that they were now gonna lose a customer at the end of the day, that’s, that’s what it is a dollar.

Speaker 1 (12m 8s): And so it was competition.

Speaker 2 (12m 10s): Of course, absolutely. Ah, of course. And the top survived and, and the, the week fell. Yes. But yes, you look now in 2022, there’s so many micro groups in different sites. Now that it’s not the same issue I had when we tried to do this, when we tried to enter this space, it it’s much more inviting.

Speaker 1 (12m 30s): Okay. So what’s the difference between you said you’ve been in the lifestyle for 15 years?

Speaker 2 (12m 35s): Little bit, little over 15 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12m 37s): Okay. So what’s the difference between 15 years ago and now what’s changed.

Speaker 2 (12m 42s): It’s more of an open subject. We don’t use the word swingers. We don’t like the word swingers. We use the word lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (12m 49s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (12m 50s): Because swingers seems to have a bed, not, you know, going back to connotation where you yeah. When you threw your keys in a bowl and you picked, and that was the person you were gonna have sex with. And that’s, that’s not what we are nowadays. We’re, we’re about throwing these massive high budget parties, these huge takeovers, these, these all inclusive takeover cruises. I mean, it’s become a, a really big market, no different than, than, you know, if you were going on a cruise that was all inclusive, but didn’t have the sex.

I mean, everybody likes,

Speaker 1 (13m 26s): That’s really all inclusive.

Speaker 2 (13m 28s): Yeah. Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 (13m 31s): Go, go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (13m 32s): I was gonna say no, there’s like four cruises a year now that just cater to the lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (13m 37s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (13m 38s): So we got one coming up, going the Barcelona in June.

Speaker 1 (13m 41s): This is one of yours.

Speaker 2 (13m 43s): It’s one of them that I’ll be on because I have a contract with that crew with that cruise line or with that lifestyle group, that travel agency.

Speaker 1 (13m 51s): Hmm. So, so has your, has your experience in hospitality helped with that?

Speaker 2 (13m 57s): I think so. I mean, I was, I was in upper management and hospitality. I ran a couple of big hotels in California and I think anytime you have that on your, you know, you have that background, it, it allows you to, to be a better person and, and better read a room. So yeah, of course, of course the hospitality field helped.

Speaker 1 (14m 15s): Are you guys planning on doing some of your own events?

Speaker 2 (14m 19s): Currently? The only thing we do now is our annual ASN lifestyle magazine awards, which this year is this last year that it’ll be virtual next year. We’re planning on being live with people and we’re looking at Vegas.

Speaker 1 (14m 35s): Okay. But no cruises,

Speaker 2 (14m 38s): No cruises. Well, I mean, I have cruises, but I have them because of a contract I have with a certain travel company. Yeah. So yeah, we’re doing those, but we do ’em we report on the cruise when we’re, when we’re on the ship.

Speaker 1 (14m 49s): Okay. Okay. So the two of you are, are in the lifestyle yourself. I was gonna say swingers, but I won’t. Okay. How did you get started in the lifestyle?

Speaker 2 (15m 1s): You know, I just, I, I was young and I like to have sex, you know, it’s, it’s not like now where I’d rather use a sandwich

Speaker 1 (15m 8s): Different from anyone else.

Speaker 2 (15m 10s): I don’t think so, but yeah, that’s what it started with. It was just that. And then meeting some people that ended up were in the lifestyle, I got introduced to it and it just, it just, that’s where it started, you know? And then you have that conversation with your wife is when we got married, we weren’t in the lifestyle. It was, you know, this is something that I think we needed to have a discussion about and it worked, you know, it may have not worked, but I probably would still be doing the same business. I’m not, I’m not sure that I wouldn’t have changed.

Speaker 1 (15m 38s): Okay. So what happened by the way, excuse me, you started in, in 2011, what happened between 2011 and 2018?

Speaker 2 (15m 51s): We were actually shooting porn between 2011 and 2018. We owned a company called real Florida Housewives. Oh, okay. And that’s, that’s where we, we, that’s how we were able to slip into the lifestyle because of the, the people we knew.

Speaker 1 (16m 4s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (16m 5s): And then we went from that to where I was on a, I was part of triplex porn star radio, which is now no longer in business, but that’s, that’s kind of where I got my roots into the porn and meeting porn stars that were swingers and, and getting to meet those people. And, and it just, just exploded from there.

Speaker 1 (16m 26s): Yeah. No pun intended,

Speaker 2 (16m 28s): No pun intended.

Speaker 1 (16m 29s): So talk about how the business started and I’m sure you got some great stories about getting the business up and running

Speaker 2 (16m 39s): Well, yeah, it’s, it’s really funny. This came at the end of our, our, our contract with triplex porn star radio 2017. Hmm. We were sitting in the, I was sitting at my desk and we were starting the beginnings of this, of this magazine. And my wife said to me, she says, look, Michael, seriously, if you don’t do something of this business, I’m, I’m out, you know, I’m, I’m done, we’re gonna separate. And this is actually in the April issue of 2019.

It talks about everything that happened. But yeah. So I went in my office that night and I sold my first ad for the magazine that no one knew existed at that point. Wild. Yeah. And it’s funny is I sold the first ad for $30, you know, and we we’ve come a long way from that 30 bucks, but it was the first 30 bucks we made. And that was a turning point for us as a couple, as a business. And it just enhanced the relationship from there moving forward.

Speaker 1 (17m 41s): Yeah. That’s fantastic. So any other stories about getting started?

Speaker 2 (17m 47s): Not really. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, we, we, like I said, we’ve met a lot of people. We’ve used the knowledge that we’ve had from the lifestyle. I, I, I used, like I said, a lot of the people that I’ve, that I believed in, you know, what I’d call except the top echelon of those lifestyle. And I, and, and I cultivated those relationships. And when it was time to put the magazine together, I then called on them and they came in, they were in the magazine and stuff like that. I mean, we’ve had people from Playboy on the cover, you know, everyone put their foot forward to help us be successful.

So if, if it wasn’t for them, we wouldn’t be here.

Speaker 1 (18m 22s): Now it occurs to me because you and I have connected and, and we’re doing business together. And, and we’re now an advertiser. Yes. It occurs to me that you guys are getting more mainstream. It, it seems like ASN is out there more people, more people know about it. Talk about that transformation.

Speaker 2 (18m 47s): That transformation is incredible. And, and I still look at her and I go, can you believe this? Because it’s only yesterday where we were struggling to, to, to make the 30 bucks. Hmm. And what we, the vision we’ve always had was produce the best quality magazine we can. Yeah. Just because we’re in this niche didn’t mean it had to be smutty. Oh yeah. And so we, we, we did our best. We, we, we often say that if GQ employee boy had a baby, it would be ASN lifestyle magazine.

Nice. So when we moved to the mainstream, which is what we, we’ve kind of done this route where right now we’re in the middle between the adult lifestyle and the lifestyle, I’m sorry, the adult industry and the lifestyle. And we’re now picking at that mainstream audience. And we did that on purpose we’ve even retailer, the award show so that it didn’t distinguish between whether you were a lifestyle or adult industry. Interesting. Because we, well, I just went back to the grassroots that we had because we were successful there. So why sure.

Reinvent the wheel when you already have it, just make it better. And, and that’s what we did. And, and we just focused on marketing. I mean, marketing, marketing, marketing, the message. Yeah. You know, we, we, we pride ourselves. We say, you know what, it’s all about the lifestyle, which, which it was, it’s all about the community. It’s all about the people that read our magazine. We listen to them, we talk to these people, you know, when they call up the phone, they actually get one of us. They don’t, they don’t get a voicemail. That’s what we do. We’re constant communication with the people that, that, that support the magazine and that pay to have their ads in the magazine, because that’s the backbone of our magazine as our advertisers.

Speaker 1 (20m 29s): Okay. So talk about the blending. And this is kind of a similar question, the blending of the mainstream adult industry with the lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (20m 41s): I think that started because when we started doing exotica with, I think at the time it was lifestyle X, or it was couples X, and now it’s lifestyle X. They had a little niche that, that was carved out for them in exotica, where they had the lifestyle, people had their boost. And that, you know, I, I looked at that one year and I I’m saying, well, okay, if the lifestyle can come to a, to an adult industry convention yeah. And coexist, then why can’t the magazine coexist with these same people?

Sure. So that’s kind of where it started. Then I, again, I went back to the people I knew and I said, Hey, what do you think this is? I wanna make this turn here. It’s, it’s not been done before. Do you think this is possible? And we were reassured, you know, they said, Michael, Sherry, you know what you guys do is brilliant. If you, we, we don’t see you failing. So just keep moving forward. We’ve never looked back.

Speaker 1 (21m 35s): Nice. Very nice. So now you talked, you referred earlier to your annual awards event. So get into some detail about what it’s all about, you know, the, you know, some of the categories, how does someone get nominated? And I I’m sure you’re excited about getting back to in-person events.

Speaker 2 (21m 57s): Oh, we can’t wait to get back to in-person events. The last award show we had in person was in Vegas and it was right before COVID hit. And then we’ve been off since then. We’ve been doing the awards show virtually. Yeah. But it’s not the same as having a room full of people. We, we still try to produce a, a show that, that we think they, like, we want them to sit there, to sit there for 46 minutes and watch which, from what we’re seeing, they did, they sat there and they watch for, there was people having watch parties last of the award show all over the country to see if they won awards.

So they going to their clubs and having these watch parties.

Speaker 1 (22m 35s): That’s very cool.

Speaker 2 (22m 36s): Yeah. And we did the award show on a Sunday, so most of these clubs were closed, so that reopened them, that allowed them to get revenue. And then they had people come in and watch to see if the, if their club won. That’s neat. So it was good.

Speaker 1 (22m 48s): That’s really neat.

Speaker 2 (22m 50s): Yeah. So I’m sorry. I just need you to, what was the other part of that question? Cause

Speaker 1 (22m 55s): So talk a bit about the award show, how it came about, you know, maybe some of the, some of the categories. Sure. What it’s all about and how does someone get nominated?

Speaker 2 (23m 9s): The award show came together through the fact that we’re a, we’re a publisher. And when you look at a lot of the award shows are backed by publishers, by magazines by by. So we thought, well, this was the next natural step for us and our progression of what we wanted to do. So we, again sat down with our, our inner circle, talked about what we wanted to do. And then the award show was born. Wow. Our second, our first year we actually just loaned our name out to, to another event.

But we, the award show was named the ASN lifestyle magazine awards, but it was hosted by another, another event in, in Vegas. Okay. The second year was we were on our own and it was a virtual event. And we, we changed between what you did in 19, sorry. In 2020 to 2021, where the nominations, you were nominated, anyone could be nominated. It didn’t matter where you came from, you could be nominated. And then we, we, then you would then voting would start. Now, the problem with that, that award show was, and we learned is that we had maybe 30, 40 people in the same category when it came time for voting.

So that obviously it was successful because people nominated and people voted, but it wasn’t conducive to us to have so many people in the same category. So for this year’s award show, we changed it up. And again, this is from learning and we’ll continue to learn and change, but this year nominations are open and we want you to constantly nominate, nominate, nominate, nominate. And then what we’re doing is we’re taking the top five nominations and then they’re gonna move on to the finals. Now, nominations end April 30th of this, this month.

And

Speaker 1 (24m 54s): I should say, I should say that. Tell everyone that we’re, we’re recording this on April 26th and they’ll be long over by the time this runs, sorry.

Speaker 2 (25m 3s): That’s true. Yeah. That’s true. Yeah. So, Hey, you know, predict winner maybe, but so then the award show start, the voting will start in may and then it’ll go to June and then we do our award show virtual event. We’re gonna do it a mansion here in Orlando, where I have the presenters coming in and they’re gonna do it. They’re all signed NDAs. So then no one talks about the award show and then we produce it and you’ll see it in September.

Speaker 1 (25m 31s): You will, you will be on before September. I do.

Speaker 2 (25m 34s): Okay.

Speaker 1 (25m 34s): We’ll see. Maybe no, we got these interviews booked out so far. I’m sorry. I

Speaker 2 (25m 40s): Hear you. No, no, no, it’s fine. But like you asked about categories. Yeah. Yeah. There, we have everything from best lifestyle crew. Oh, sorry. Best cruise company. Best travel company. Best resort. Best camgirl best fan site. Best public relations company. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, we, we changed it up dramatically. Best

Speaker 1 (25m 60s): Website broker, best

Speaker 2 (26m 1s): Ex well, there is best website. So unfortunately I can’t nominate you. You have to have your people nominate you. That’s one thing people ask about the transparency of the awards and we’re very transparent there. Our awards are certified by a CPA every year who takes the votes and counts and then gives them back to us the day of, well for this year would be the day of that. We’re gonna do the production at the, at the house, the mansion that we’re gonna rent. Cool.

And that’s the first time we’ll actually see the results. When we go ahead and hand those envelopes to everybody

Speaker 1 (26m 36s): Sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (26m 37s): Well, we did it because there’s so much controversy in this category, our event for something that should be, you know, joyous. It’s, it’s not like you’re, you’re winning a Nobel peace prize, you know? I mean, it’s nice that, that, that people are very competitive, but we’re not gonna sell out ourselves to, to, to, to, to R an event that should be fun. Yeah. So that’s why we go above and beyond the steps to prove that, you know, there’s never, ever gonna be a question.

No one can ever come back to ASN and say, Hey, you know, we kind of think that your award shows maybe a little hunky, cuz it’s not.

Speaker 1 (27m 18s): Yeah. I, I get that impression about some of the award shows, but we won’t talk about that. So, and it seems like from some of the categories, it’s definitely a lot of it is mainstream mainstream adult.

Speaker 2 (27m 31s): It, it, it is, but it’s a crossover. Cause you gotta remember two years of the pandemic, a lot of your lifestyle couples were now doing camming. Yep. They were doing camming. They were doing, they were doing anything they could. That generated income. Of course. So that’s where this came from. So, and there’s such a really now 20, 22, there’s such a, it’s very hard to see the difference almost between someone that is in the adult industry and someone that’s into the lifestyle because those lives parallel. They go, they really go side by side.

Speaker 1 (28m 0s): Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (28m 1s): And, and it’s incredible. So that, that’s why we took the direction we did. And that’s why we took off the word lifestyle in the awards, even though they’re called the ASN lifestyle magazine awards.

Speaker 1 (28m 11s): That’s awesome. Now you offer people the chance to become models. So what are you, what are you, what kind of models are you looking for? What are the models, images and videos used for and do they have to come see you in person? Or could they send you images?

Speaker 2 (28m 31s): Actually? No, they they’d never have to come see us in person. I mean, it’s in the Orlando market then. Yeah. We would meet up for lunch or coffee just to have a conversation. But what they do is they would go to our, our corporate site, ASN entertainment.com and they would fill out a mall registration. And basically that’s all the legal moment jumbo protects us with the us, says, you know us 2 57. Yeah. Right. That way we have it on file. And then basically they pick there’s this categories of what we offer for the magazine.

And then they, they go ahead and check what they want. And then what we do is in my, my wife would get ’em my CFO. And then she goes through ’em and she actually makes first contact and then schedules, whether we’re gonna have a video conference or meet in person. And sometimes the model can get into the magazine right away. Sometimes it may take six months to a year for that performer or model to get into the magazine.

Speaker 1 (29m 26s): Hmm. Okay. And so you’re just, you’re basically putting images in the magazine.

Speaker 2 (29m 34s): Well, we have images. We usually ask when, when a typical, let’s say a lifestyle couple comes and they say, you know, we’d like to go, go ahead and be in your magazine. Well, that’s great, but we want a little more substance. So we asked for, give us your bio, what’s your story? What, what makes you unique? What, what brought you to the lifestyle or what brought you to the adult industry? Why, why should people, why should our readers read about you? What makes you different? And they usually, they like that. Sure. So we usually get between 1500 to 3000 words, five to 10 pictures.

And that goes in as a pictorial, we allow them to go ahead and link to different their social media. Cool. At the end. And it it’s, you know, so far it’s worked out really well. I mean, I think we, we have the secret sauce for success.

Speaker 1 (30m 18s): Now, speaking of the secret sauce, I don’t know how much of this you want to give away. What advice would you give to someone thinking of starting their own lifestyle magazine?

Speaker 2 (30m 29s): Don’t give up, be persistent. You’re gonna fail. You’re gonna fail over and over again. In fact, I have a plaque on my desk that says very simple success comes from failure. Yeah. And I can’t tell you how many times I’ve failed. So my biggest advice is, Hey, gimme a call. I’d be more happy to talk to you. There’s so much room in this, in this, in this space that I’ll never shut the door down from someone that wants to go ahead and advance themselves and do something like this. Nice. I think that, you know, that creates competition and competition is good.

Speaker 1 (31m 0s): I agree with you. And I like the fact you’re not gonna do to them. What the industry did to you initially.

Speaker 2 (31m 8s): Right? Well, it happens, but I believe in paying it forward and that’s, as long as I live by that mantra and I live with good karma, good things will happen.

Speaker 1 (31m 17s): Hey, who knows? Maybe someday they’ll buy out and I’ll broker. Maybe that

Speaker 2 (31m 24s): Be fine. We’d have to figure out a way for, to stay on board though, because I it’s it’s, you know, it’s funny that you say that because it is very hard to, and I think maybe cuz we’re owners to give the keys to someone else to produce the magazine. It’s very to, to me. Yeah. No one knows what I do, but it’s a process usually takes me between 19 to 25 days to produce a typical magazine that runs around 180, 190 pages. Hmm. And that’s layout, that’s that’s links.

That’s everything that needs to be in it. It’s crazy, but it’s a lot. And I don’t know if I’m ready to show somebody that yet. Sure. My wife tells me I have to because there’s other projects that we’re moving on to that that are gonna need more of my time. So it may happen sooner than later.

Speaker 1 (32m 12s): And I will, I will attest to the fact that Michael is extremely hands on. He’s extremely hands on. So you talked about other projects when, what you got coming up.

Speaker 2 (32m 22s): Ah, we have something that’s launching soon. We’re trying to launch it before July. It’s gonna be called the ASN hub.

Speaker 1 (32m 30s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (32m 31s): And the hub is gonna be really what it is. It’s gonna be the hub. It’s gonna be the repository for all the articles that you see in the magazine. We do this to help the advertisers get a, a better ROI, better return on their investment because now they get their magazine that goes out. It’s there. But now when someone comes to the hub, they’re gonna see all these active articles all the time.

Speaker 1 (32m 53s): Cool.

Speaker 2 (32m 53s): So it’s that part. It’s also, we’re becoming, we’re gonna be a de repository for everyone that has press releases and we’re gonna store all those press releases from all over the place. Nice. And then share that information. We started it with the entertainment because obviously I, I, we handle some your PR. Yes, but we’re gonna expand it. Oh, it’s our pleasure. But we’re gonna expand it. So it benefits the person writing the PR the person that’s the PR is about and the overall, you know, synergy of the community in the industry.

Speaker 1 (33m 25s): Cool. So,

Speaker 2 (33m 26s): And that, that’s the second thing. And I don’t know if I could talk about the third thing yet, cuz we’re still in development of it.

Speaker 1 (33m 32s): Okay. If you tell me you’ll have to kill me and all my and more and how that hub, that’s more back links, man. We’re always looking for that stuff. So I appreciate it. Oh yeah. And I’m sure everybody will. So what advice would you give to someone who’s thinking of getting into the lifestyle?

Speaker 2 (33m 50s): Huh? That’s a good question. Because I think a lot of people get into the lifestyle for the wrong reasons. You have to really almost have that conversation with yourself, asking, you know, why, what is it about the lifestyle that you’re attracted to that makes you want to go this route? A lot of people do it because guys do it because they want, they, you know, they’re oh, I wanna have sex with lots of women.

Speaker 1 (34m 12s): I wanna get laid. Yeah. Well isn’t that? What all isn’t that? What all young single guys do and not, not necessarily young,

Speaker 2 (34m 19s): But, but, but you know what? That’s not what it, that’s not what it’s about. That’s not how it works. So when they come in with that connotation, it sets a bad tone. Sure. Or they, they force their girlfriend or wife to do it because this is something they, they want to do. Right. And then that ends badly. Oh yeah. Really have to have that conversation at heart to heart. It’s no different than someone that’s in BDSM. And then after a session, you have to have that, that recovery, you know, the, that repair because you, you, you’re doing something that you don’t typically do in life.

Right? And then you have to, you gotta get back together. You, the best thing that I suggest is that go visit a club, go visit down here in Florida. We have trapeze. We have secret ti away, go visit those and see, you can get a day pass at many of these places, get an idea for what it is. A lot of these places will also give you a tour and show you different things and explain a little bit more detail. But at the end of the day, you have to, it comes from the gut because not everybody’s built for this, just like not everybody could do what you do. Not everybody could be a professional basketball player.

It takes a certain caliber of human being to put themselves and maybe watch their wife being screwed by somebody or, or whatever, because it’s, it’s a different mindset.

Speaker 1 (35m 31s): Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35m 32s): So kind of compare it to porn. I think that’s why porn actors, actors are able to, to, to go back and forth. Right. You know, I, I have a lot of friends that are in the lifestyle that, that, that do porn as well. And they’ve been around for many, many years.

Speaker 1 (35m 45s): Sure, sure. Now ASN is a business. Are there any types of content or any organizations you’d to include in your publications on general principles?

Speaker 2 (35m 57s): Anything that’s hate? We won’t, we won’t publish. I mean, that’s just common decency really hate. We don’t want to get into politics that much. Although if you’re gonna write a piece, that’s an opinion piece we have from time to time allowed them to come in. It just really depends on what the relevancy is to the lifestyle or to the industry. If it has a connection, then, then we more likely will allow it to come in. But definitely no hate, no discrimination, no antisemites, none of that stuff that you would, you would seize other places.

We just don’t, we won’t put up with it. All ideas is to provide a space that people like enjoy and want to come back to.

Speaker 1 (36m 39s): Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. So now, if someone wants to advertise their event, their podcast or their product, what should they know and how should they go about

Speaker 2 (36m 49s): It? We have currently, if you went to ASN ol magazine.com and you went to, we have this big button that this is advertised with us, ah, simply click on that. It takes you to where you’ll see the different ad sizes that we offer talks about. The different packages that we have are also is our latest media kit is there as well. So you can see our reach, our audience, our demographics and stuff like that. And the companies that do really well in the magazine. So that’s all for everybody to see. And then if they still have more questions, they could always pick up a phone, call me or call Sherry and we’d be more happy to, to talk to them about it.

Our, a typical advertiser has saved with us from the beginning. We, I think the pandemic, we lost two clubs because they closed down. They’re no longer in business. Sure. And we had one fallout that went away, but they were with us for four years and it, we were friends and it was a personal issue and we decided that we didn’t want their business.

Speaker 1 (37m 49s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (37m 49s): Okay. But other than that, and I always say to a potential advertiser, go through our magazine, pick an ad at random and call ’em and ask. ’em why they’re in the magazine.

Speaker 1 (37m 59s): Nice.

Speaker 2 (37m 60s): Because that’s the only way that that’s the best way to sell it because I can tell you all day that, you know, I’m gonna sell you this car. I’m gonna tell you all the great things about it. But I want you to know what’s under the hood and why is this the car for you? Sure. So if you go talk to a club or somebody out in far right field, that’s in the, in the magazine, ask them why, well, one, how long have you been with the magazine and why are you still here?

Speaker 1 (38m 21s): Yeah. How’s it working?

Speaker 2 (38m 22s): Yeah. That’s it. Exactly. And you know, and 99% of ’em are gonna say, because they, they get a return and they’re, they like the relationship, the one-on-one that we give them, we reach out to them every couple of months say, Hey, do you wanna change up your ad? Do you wanna do this? Let’s you know, how can we target market for you better? You know? Yeah. Yeah. So we’re constantly hands on that way. And then the, I just lost my train of thought. The other thing was

Speaker 1 (38m 49s): Mine jumps the track on a regular basis.

Speaker 2 (38m 50s): It does. I just watched it hop to track, but it’s just, we’re there for everybody, you know? I mean, is it for everybody? No, but, but is it, is it for a lot of people? Yes. I mean, we currently have businesses in the magazine that aren’t even in the lifestyle of detail industry. Right. You know, I have urologists, I have plastic surgeons. I mean, you know,

Speaker 1 (39m 10s): They’re in Florida, you’re in Florida, you have plastic surgeons. How’d they find you.

Speaker 2 (39m 15s): I took, it took a while, but they found me, You know, and we offer a really competitive ad package. You know, we, we, I think we’re the cheapest in the business. I definitely, if you were to, now, I know we’re not Playboy, but if you were to compare us to Playboy Playboy charges, $5,000 for a quarter page ad to run one time, you know, our, our starting rate for a year contract is $500. It was supposed to go up because of the pandemic. We haven’t had an increase, but we’ve also never hit our ceiling.

So we’ve had no resistance to our price increases over the last few years. So we are due for one. We’re gonna wait and do it in 2023.

Speaker 1 (39m 54s): That’s probably wise. Yeah. Now your magazine features a lot of big names in the swinger’s world. Do you get a chance to meet these people a lot?

Speaker 2 (40m 3s): Absolutely. That that’s one of the greatest perks about this business in the magazine is I do get to meet a lot of these people. We’ve right. Lately it seems like we’re running, we’re doing a lot of CEOs, you know, and women in the sex tech business. And it’s great. It’s, it’s really, it’s re re refigured a lot of things that we’re, we’re trying to give everybody what they want and, you know, cultivating again, these are new relationships that we, that we’re making and they tell their people, Hey, you know what?

You should be in the magazine. And I’ll tell you where a lot of my CEOs come from. I have a very active LinkedIn account. Hmm. And I’m constantly in the conversations about sex tech, about lifestyle. Yeah. About anything that has to do with the sex injuries, sex workers. We, we just did a, a deal with Mustang ranch. Oh, wow. Out in Reno, Nevada, not the pro side

Speaker 1 (40m 56s): Of it, of my childhood,

Speaker 2 (40m 59s): Not the Broel side, but we brought on their executive chef as our, as our new contributor

Speaker 1 (41m 4s): Never met him.

Speaker 2 (41m 6s): Well, he’s, he’s been there for 14 years, I think now.

Speaker 1 (41m 10s): Yeah. Still have never met him anyway.

Speaker 2 (41m 14s): No, but so, I mean, that’s, that’s what we do. You know, we had a really,

Speaker 1 (41m 17s): I didn’t, I didn’t go there to eat

Speaker 2 (41m 18s): Well, they have good steak, just so you

Speaker 1 (41m 22s): Know. Okay. It’s good to know. I’ll I’ll keep, I’ll keep that in mind for the future. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (41m 26s): No, no. Unfortunately I go out there for business.

Speaker 1 (41m 30s): So what do you wish people understood about the lifestyle

Speaker 2 (41m 34s): That they need to hold their judgment and actually get to know someone or ask questions about it and not just take what they see on TV and what they read in the paper or the news. Cause that’s, that’s not, that’s not, that’s not true. There was a piece that was done in LA about a club that was rated during the pandemic. That was a lifestyle party and they, they compared it to sex trafficking. Oh lovely. It’s you can’t be further

Speaker 1 (41m 60s): From yeah. But yeah, but doesn’t the media compare everything in our industry to sex trafficking.

Speaker 2 (42m 4s): Yeah. They, they crazy. They do because they, you know, the media isn’t media anymore, the media’s entertainment. Yep. So that’s how they, that’s how they, they pay their bills and click. I’m not gonna get in there cuz I have a whole different

Speaker 1 (42m 18s): It’s all click bait.

Speaker 2 (42m 19s): Yeah. Yeah. Well, and we give it to you straight, you know, we actually, here’s the other thing I have you asked for it. We have it, we have Michael photography. We have one the, the, the leading adult entertainment attorneys that writes for us.

Speaker 1 (42m 33s): Oh Michael. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42m 35s): Also. Yep. Michael writes for us. Yeah. You know, so I mean we cover every basis. So I mean, he just got done doing a five page, sorry. A five month article on, on only fans and, and about the lifestyle about these people trying to get into it, making sure they’re protected and stuff like that. So I mean, it’s, it’s a great tool. So we try, if we don’t have it, we try to get it, you know, the, the magazine covers travel. It covers real estate, which you would find real estate. Yeah. We’ve sold six homes out of the magazine.

Speaker 1 (43m 6s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (43m 7s): You know, so it’s, it’s realtors out there, you know, Hey, we, we have a really good package for you. If you wanna put your real estate in.

Speaker 1 (43m 13s): And there’s also stakes at the Mustang ranch that, you know, if there’s one thing I learned today, that’s, that’s probably the greatest one now. Now, where do you think I’m kidding? Where do you think the swinging scene needs to change and improve?

Speaker 2 (43m 28s): I think that’s going to, that’s gonna come on the techno technology side. Hmm. I think you’re gonna see the websites that are older. That, that look like they’ve been around since, I don’t know, since I was a baby, they that’s where, where the money’s gonna be spent. Yep. That’s where the changes are gonna, you’re gonna see in applications such as apps and websites, you’re gonna see these resorts. There’s new resorts popping up to KR lifestyle. I think desire just opened up two new resorts in the Dominican.

Hmm. So there’s, there’s more of it coming around. It’s not in your face, but it’s there. And if you’re in the scene, you know where, where to go to get, see, go to visit these places.

Speaker 1 (44m 14s): Now, how do you think people in the lifestyle are different between the USA and Europe?

Speaker 2 (44m 20s): Oh gosh. Between the difference between the USA and Europe. We’re we’re, we’re, we’re nothing compared to Europe. Europe is so much more laid back. Just, I mean, they will actually put, put the name of their Springer’s club on the wall outside here. It’s it’s, that’s taboo. You don’t put the name of it. You just put the address and people show up and you go and they go through a door, you know, nondescript in Europe there very open, they’re open to nudity. They’re open to their sexuality. It’s just, it’s a good experience for you to go to Europe and experience that.

Yeah. Because it’s like no weather. You, you, when you go to Europe and see that and you come home, you go, oh my God, we’re so close minded.

Speaker 1 (45m 2s): You know? Well, you turn on TV there and there’s sex on TV. It’s not, you know, it’s not, it’s not hidden on cable.

Speaker 2 (45m 10s): I, I remember the first time as a kid, we were watching mash and I heard Alan Alda say bullshit. That was the big thing back in the day, you know? And, and then when I lived in Canada with my wife on bringing TV, there’s a Sopranos and there’s a sex scene, you know? Wow. Here in the states, you had to watch the Sopranos on HBO.

Speaker 1 (45m 28s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45m 29s): Not in Canada.

Speaker 1 (45m 30s): Yeah. Pretty crazy now. Yes. Where can someone find ASN on social media and how can they contact you?

Speaker 2 (45m 38s): Oh gosh. On social media. We’re on Twitter at ASN ASN lifestyle mag. Okay. We’re on Pinterest is ASN lifestyle mag. Okay. We’re on Facebook ASN lifestyle magazine. And where else are we Twitter? Facebook.

Speaker 1 (45m 59s): I don’t know. Where

Speaker 2 (45m 59s): Are you? Oh, Instagram ASN LS. Mag.

Speaker 1 (46m 3s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (46m 4s): Very good. Yeah. And then we’re on most of the, the adult swinging lifestyle sites, STC as ASN entertainment. Casty as ASN lifestyle magazine and as ASN lifestyle magazine.

Speaker 1 (46m 22s): Beautiful. Now I, if you started all over again, what would you have done differently?

Speaker 2 (46m 29s): I don’t think I would do anything differently. And the reason I say that was because yes, it was hard. Yeah. And I had to, and, and I lost my ass and I lost money. I think it was still the best experience I could have had cuz through that experience is how I grew. And now I’m able to help other people. Yeah. You know, like you had said earlier, there wasn’t anybody helping me, you know, we either fell in our ass or, or we made it and we decided we were gonna make it. Sure. So being able to, to have that experience and, and that foundation is what allows us to move forward and continue to grow.

Now, I believe we’re continuing to grow every day and every month and every year something’s different gonna be about the magazine that had didn’t happen the year before.

Speaker 1 (47m 13s): That’s awesome. Well, Michael, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker talk and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again real soon,

Speaker 2 (47m 21s): Bruce. I appreciate it. And it it’s really a pleasure to speak with you and, and to hear your voice for the first time.

Speaker 1 (47m 27s): Yes, indeed. My broker tip today is part seven of how to buy an adult website. Last week, we talked about the agreement in escrow. So now you own the website. What do you do now? The first thing you should do is make sure you understand everything about the operation of the site. The previous owner will hopefully be available for a period of time to help you with this. As I mentioned last week, you should establish what the former owner’s participation will be after the sale you’ll need to deal with production of new content processing, paying affiliates, and many other things.

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Next week. we’ll talk about how to sell a site and next week we’ll be speaking with sex toy expert Kim Airs. And that’s it for this week’s adult site broker talk. I’d once again, like to thank my guest, Michael Ramos, talk to you again next week on adult site broker talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Speaker 1 (5m 47s): Our dogs aren’t our dogs. Aren’t online. Oh, you look good thing.
Speaker 2 (5m 50s): Oh, you’re lucky, man. You’re lucky, man.
Speaker 1 (5m 54s): Well, what about you? What about you personally? So, you know, what, what do you like to do? Tell us about yourself outside of work.
Speaker 2 (6m 3s): Yeah, sure. So I’m a, I’m a very sporting individual being from South Africa originally. I love my rugby.
Speaker 1 (6m 12s): Of course.
Speaker 2 (6m 13s): So every weekend I’m with my boy watching him play rugby and nice. And my, and my wife, she stays at home because she can’t take the fact that we have these very big lads hitting each other very D very hard. And she had preferred just to stay at home, get a text message.
Speaker 1 (6m 35s): It’s it’s like American football without pads,
Speaker 2 (6m 38s): Without the pads. That’s it. It’s crazy. Isn’t it? I
Speaker 1 (6m 42s): Think’s a great sport.
Speaker 2 (6m 44s): Oh, it’s a lovely sport. It’s I think it’s a great certainly for, for teenagers, you know, Bruce coming up and they got all that excess testosterone they need to get rid of. It’s a, it’s a great sport
Speaker 1 (6m 57s): To just give me some.
Speaker 2 (6m 60s): Yeah.
Speaker 1 (7m 2s): I’m 64 and I’m growing tits. Come on, give some of that test.
Speaker 2 (7m 8s): So
Speaker 1 (7m 8s): You were, you were starting, you were starting to say about your wife. Sorry. I interrupted.
Speaker 2 (7m 12s): No, she just hates it. She hates the sport. I can understand why she’s looking at her little boy, come home with broken limbs and a broken eye socket and
Speaker 1 (7m 21s): My God.
Speaker 2 (7m 23s): So she, she likes to, and then you got my daughter on the other hand who just refuses to do any type of sport. She just preferred to either read a book or actually probably spends too much time on social media to be fair.
Speaker 1 (7m 36s): Don’t they? Yeah. How, how old were your kids?
Speaker 2 (7m 39s): 17 and 15 now. Oh, wow. So, so we get into that point where it’s university in six months for my son. Oh my God. And then my daughter goes into her senior year as well. So it makes you feel very old. I must say I feel like an old man. Although I feel, I feel like I’m still in my twenties, Bruce. I feel like I’m still in my, yeah.
Speaker 1 (7m 59s): Yeah. I’m I’m 64. I don’t wanna fucking hear it anyway. So, so now you come from mainstream, primarily finance. How has your experience been so far working in the adult space?
Speaker 2 (8m 12s): So I guess there a lot of transferable skills that we have brought across primarily around understanding regulation. And when we look at the adult industry, we’ve taken that viewpoint. Let’s just look at what is the regulation that’s currently in Setu and what do we know is going to be coming around the corner? Right. So in many respects, it’s very similar from a regulatory point of view, but it has, it has been eye-opening for us for, for those of us that are, are new to the adult industry.
Yeah. Only from a point of view of, you know, the, we didn’t think there was as much adult entertainment out there is what there is. Oh God. And I, I think as we started to get into it, our, our eyes were opening and going, wow, this is massive. This is, there’s so much bigger than what we thought it would
Speaker 1 (9m 5s): Be. There’s tons. Yeah. There’s tons. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (9m 8s): How about,
Speaker 1 (9m 9s): How about the people you’ve dealt with?
Speaker 2 (9m 10s): Oh, absolutely. Fantastic. Absolutely loved it. I think what I love about this industry is the, although it’s a, a vast industry, it’s a small community. Yes. And, and I think we all work in with a common goal at the end of the day, you know, which is, you know, this is our business. We wanna make it succeed and develop. So everyone is willing to have open conversations and discussions, Bruce it’s. It is, it is so different to obviously the financial sector.
This is an environment where you can actually make things happen for the good, whether it’s for your business, whether it’s for the community, whether it’s for a social reason. And, and I think that’s what we really enjoying so far.
Speaker 1 (9m 58s): Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It it’s a family. I, I say it on almost every show when I talk to people, this is a big family and just like any family it’s got it’s good and bad, but for the most part, some
Speaker 2 (10m 13s): It’s good.
Speaker 1 (10m 13s): Yeah. Yeah. Very cool people. So tell us more about verify my age and how it can help companies in our space.
Speaker 2 (10m 23s): Probably the best way to answer that is just to give you a quick overview of how we came about. So two year two coming on three years now, actually we we’re a group of entrepreneurs who were selling age restricted products, but the incumbents that were in the market at the time, just, just weren’t up to scratch. So the decision was made to build our own form of technology to help our own business at the time. And I think that’s what separates us from a lot of the other players in the market, Bruce, because we’ve got that empathy of understanding what the end users going through.
So we’ve designed and developed very far my age to help streamline that and make it as effortless and as frictionless as possible. Okay. But then on the other side, we also understand what a business is going through, which is they need to have the highest possible pass rate. So very far, my age was designed to provide maximum methodologies around age verification. So if you were purchasing a form of alcohol, there would be six or seven different methods that you could use to get verified.
So therefore maximizing that opportunity. So the business was, was built with that in mind. And we have gradually moved and developed into all forms of age restricted sectors at the is one of our biggest, one of, of our largest customers on the age verification side of the world is eBay. So you purchase anything from eBay that’s age restricted.
It has to come through our form of technology in order to approve it before the product can be shipped out. Okay. So we, so we’ve got this great tech, that’s doing all of this. We we’ve developed our team over the last two to three years. So we’ve got guys in Australia, the us, and in Brazil who are helping develop our product and sell it and, and put it in front of organizations that, that need to consider a form of age assurance and, and content moderation.
And I think then over the years, we’ve just looked at that tech and developed it. We’ve streamlined. It we’ve in many respects, tried to perfect. What’s already out there for the, for the adult industry.
Speaker 1 (12m 49s): Did you guys come about with the regulations that have been on again, off again on again in the UK with, with adults?
Speaker 2 (12m 58s): So that’s interesting. It’s a good question there, because I’m asked it quite often. So very far my age came about simply to solve an existing eCommerce problem, which was bad age verification providers. Hmm. Then as we start noticed the UK regulations starting to kick in, we started to therefore develop that same, that same pack of, of, of, of product, okay. To satisfy the UK rigs. Right.
But to be fair, the tech was already there. So there wasn’t much that needed to be done.
Speaker 1 (13m 32s): Hmm. And, and how has the on again, off again on again, UK and other country laws affected you guys?
Speaker 2 (13m 41s): A lot of what we do Bruce, is we try to almost embed ourselves with regulators as much as we possibly can. Yeah. So we can UN so we can understand what’s coming. So although the UK was, was on and off the way they were, I think we still have a strong belief it’s gonna be on right. At some point. So yeah, the, the tech is there to be deployed as, and when it’s needed. But what we’ve been able to do is therefore diversify that very far, my age product, right.
To satisfy new regulations, like MasterCard coming out with their change to, to, to their standards. So it didn’t have a negative effect on us because our core business was in the FM at the time. So in many respects it, us a bit of a favor because we were able to improve that technology even more so.
Speaker 1 (14m 36s): Yeah. And, and, you know, here’s the thing, as we talk, talking about adults, since this is our, our main focus here, nobody in our industry that I know of anyway, wants kids to be able to access porn. In fact, we even have an organization, the association for the, as a C P I forget what it stands stands for, but I’m sure you’ve had contacted with Tim Henning and it’s fully funded by the adult industry to stop people from stop kids from accessing porn and stop underage people from being in porn.
So I don’t think anybody wants kids to access porn or kids or underage kids to be, you know, in adult, unless they’re very sick people and the mainstream adult world doesn’t deal with those people. So it might, as a parent, this must be a bit of a crusade for you.
Speaker 2 (15m 35s): It’s interesting. When you look at the UK, there is often a conversation amongst the education sector of the rape culture within schools. And that is primarily come about by the easy access to pornography. I mean, Bruce, I might be showing my age here, but when I was growing up, I thought there were perhaps in fact, not just as I was growing up in my later years, I thought there were maybe two or three porn sites.
And that’s it, there’s a lot of
Speaker 1 (16m 7s): People who still think that
Speaker 2 (16m 9s): I’ve, I’ve about 17 year old son, educate me on different sites that I thought didn’t exist.
Speaker 1 (16m 15s): Excellent. Excellent.
Speaker 2 (16m 16s): So, so I think it is interesting how, how easy it is to get access to it. Sure. I, I do. I do think, and I totally agree with you what person in their say in mind would want to place children at harm and put them on a porn site. Sure. A it’s going to negatively impact their business as we know it’s happened. So therefore, why would they even consider doing that? Right. The problem is, as you know, is your unscrupulous individuals who are doing this type of thing. So this is, and again, this leads very much into what we do, which is, it’s less about trying to avoid those negative content uploads from taking place.
Right. But more but more so protecting their business to make sure it never happens. So their business continues to thrive. Yeah. Right. It was, I was at the conference in Vegas a few weeks ago. And again, what you’ve just said was mimicked at that conference, which is compliance is important. Yes. The whole MasterCard rules are annoying, but everyone agreed, you know, if this is what needs to take place in order to protect our businesses from the unscrupulous and let’s just do it, right.
Speaker 1 (17m 36s): Yeah, yeah. No, there’s no two ways about it. So let’s just say that I’m in a country that requires age verification. There are some now, and I go to a site that employs your company to do age verification. Tell me a little bit about the process. I go on the website. I go to buy what happens then?
Speaker 2 (17m 57s): So typically what will happen is we’ll go through a form of what we call age estimation. So the very far, my age product is highly geared towards a frictionless easy experience for the user. So the way we do that is we use our tech. We’d ask someone to stare into the camera and our technology will give an estimation of age and interesting that very, and that barrier can be set from high to low Bruce.
We, we have some countries that say, right, we want a minimum of 25 so that if anyone gets through that age estimation, we can be absolutely certain. They are 18 years and above. Okay. And then others toggle that down to the age of 21. Right. But the technology is highly sophisticated. It, it has been built over years to get as close to the age as possible. There’s and what I mean by that is the age estimation will give a potential difference or between one to one and a half years.
Yeah. So it’s important that the top set correctly. So that’s the one way to do it. The other way is we have developed a number of other methods. So if the age estimation, for example fails, we then allow the user to choose another method that could be identity document gets held up to the camera and that gets read. It could be an email address. So we can actually identify when an email was taken out or how often it is utilized. So that gives us an idea that if someone took out an email account 15 years ago, we can make a reasonable assumption there over the years of 18 or 21 dependent on which territory they they’re
Speaker 1 (19m 42s): In. No, that’s interesting. Wow. Wow. Interesting stuff. So, and I would imagine the camera technology is all using AI.
Speaker 2 (19m 49s): Absolutely. A hundred percent AI. Interesting. When we, when we look to and we’ll touch on very far more content, I’m sure we then also leverage human individuals if there’s a borderline case. Yeah. Cause I think, I think the, the, the content world is a little different. We need to be a little more sophisticated because we talking about revenues, we talking about business businesses trying to make an income. So we use a more sophisticated suite of tech there to ensure that the uploader of the content is who they are, who they say they are and they meet all of that rigs.
Yeah. Right. Yeah. It’s the technology is just incredible on how it’s developing.
Speaker 1 (20m 30s): Sounds like it, it sounds like it. So what exactly do you do in your position,
Speaker 2 (20m 35s): Bruce? We just, well, for me, it’s just about ready safeguarding a company’s revenue. That that’s my core business goal. So we work or I work with many businesses who, who may not be compliant in, in different forms. Right. They may, they may do some things associated to, for example, 2 25, 7, and there might be others that think that they are doing all the right things. And, and my core function really is to work with those businesses, solve those issues, but in doing so, it’s very much for us about building a long term partnership.
You know, we, we don’t see ourselves as, as a supplier of technology. We are not a supplier. We are a partner. So, and that for me has a very long reaching description from, you know, we help, if we need to lobby governments, we help lobby for example, MasterCard. And we try to pull everything we can out of those organizations. So we can help the businesses we work with understand what’s actually required. Cause often the regulator will say something, no one knows what it means though.
And we, we then have to come back and try, they have their own language. What exactly. Yeah. What exactly are they referring to here? Because we don’t get it.
Speaker 1 (21m 58s): I love it. So what, what motivates you to do what you do for your clients?
Speaker 2 (22m 5s): I think it’s that I love solving those problems. You know, Bruce often, often businesses will look at regulation as a massive barrier to doing business. Yes. And almost, almost off putting to a certain extent. And I think when myself and my team, you know, lift the hood and we get in there and we can show businesses that it’s not as scary or as interrupting as what they think it’s going to be, we can help them thrive.
And, and that’s what motivates us.
Speaker 1 (22m 37s): Nice. So let’s talk more about the verify, my content product. So that’s the new one. How did that come about?
Speaker 2 (22m 46s): So I mean, this for me is a very, very exciting product and development. So as we were touching on earlier age verification has its place in the marketplace. We, we see it, we see it developing at different speeds across the globe. So we, we have it in France at the minute and we know Germany or putting in play. And the, and the UK dare say have come out again, say in 20, 23, they’re gonna implement it.
Speaker 1 (23m 17s): We’ll
Speaker 2 (23m 20s): What we know now is the fact that MasterCard came out with a change to, to their rules means that it’s having an impact on porn sites today and something needs to be done today. And absolutely we, so, so we developed the very far my age product to allow us to provide adult entertainment businesses with a one API that satisfies all of those requirements for MasterCard.
Our, our focus was about saying to these businesses, don’t be afraid of this regulation it’s to stay first and foremost. So we have a very simple means for you to get on the right side of this regulation. And if, and you know, if they, if they don’t, we, we have another scenario like we had with some of the other large sites that were shut off and we see that just going to continue unless something real can get done about
Speaker 1 (24m 23s): Sadly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24m 24s): The, yeah. The requirements that, that MasterCard are setting out.
Speaker 1 (24m 27s): Yeah. So tell me more about verify my content and how is it beneficial for both content creators and the platforms?
Speaker 2 (24m 37s): Sure. So I think above all the verify, my content product is about having peace of mind, both from a, a merchant, a site that’s allowing content to be uploaded as well as your content creator. Who’s the entrepreneur, the business owner very far. My content is designed to ensure that the content is been uploaded by a verified individual. We do that by using AI to check ID documents, to make sure that they are real ID documents.
And we then use AI to cross-check a facial selfie or video against that document. Wow. We then go one step further and allow the content created to verify participants that they may have in their content. So all of those risks are therefore removed. You know, we, we, we help get rid of that, that I guess the risk of revenge porn or SP cams, because if those individuals are not verified, then the content can’t be uploaded.
Right. And then what we also do is we moderate the content. So we will use our, our own development of, of AI algorithms to ensure that the content itself meets all the requirements. So there’s no children involved in it. And if there is, you know, we, we flag that for someone to look at. So we’ve got a human moderator who will also look at that and go, Nope, that’s fine. We can let it go. And, and all of this is then wrapped up with a very sophisticated reporting tool.
So if MasterCard or an acquiring bank came to a merchant and said, right, we’ve got a report of, of child pornography on your site, how did that get, how did it get through the barriers? They were able to run a report and show exactly what has taken place
Speaker 1 (26m 34s): Interesting.
Speaker 2 (26m 35s): And, and all of this too, is backed up with our own very unique form of insurance, which also helps bring a bit more credibility and that piece of mind to, to content creators.
Speaker 1 (26m 49s): Yeah. And MasterCard knows you, right. You guys have worked with them in delivering all this, right.
Speaker 2 (26m 54s): Absolutely. Yeah. So they’ve been fantastic in giving us real life feedback. You know, we, we went off and built our first version of this and, and the guys had MasterCard actually openly said, you’ve gone too far. You don’t have to do what you’ve just suggested by that’s that’s overkill. So we, we thought, so we were like, that’s fantastic. Let’s build back a bit. Yeah. Which, which we’ve done, but what we also know, you know, when you look at history and you look at regulation, it’s only going to develop and get more regulated.
Yeah. So we understand that. So, so we’ve built certain, I guess, points within our technology that allows us to extend the type of, of, of, I guess, verification that we’re currently doing. But when, when you think very far more content, Bruce, we look at really three things. It’s, it’s one ID verification, number two, participant verification, number three, content moderation all under one roof. So when you look at many providers today, they have to pull those resources from different places.
Right. Right. And what we are offering is, is, is essentially a one stop shop. That’s got everything for you.
Speaker 1 (28m 8s): So what you’re saying is that when the Mo when the regulators decide, they’re going to put more rules on, you can ramp your solution back up to where it was when they said you overdid it.
Speaker 2 (28m 21s): Yes, exactly. That, wow. That’s awesome. Exactly. That awesome.
Speaker 1 (28m 24s): Yeah. And they will, and they will
Speaker 2 (28m 27s): Instead. Oh, yes.
Speaker 1 (28m 28s): Yeah. The one thing I can always count on is more regulation around the corner. No two ways about it. Now aren’t many of these MasterCard requirements already covered by 2, 2, 5, 7.
Speaker 2 (28m 39s): I think they are. I think what we see is I guess, a change in the type of content that gets uploaded, which 2, 2, 5, 7 may not necessarily bring under it’s umbrella, but I do think you’re right. I think if all websites adhere to 2, 2, 2, 2, 5, 7 regs, right? Then you, you would be able to tick a box, but, but let me give you some quick stats on this. So in fact, in fact, what, what we see at the minute, if you look at your fan sites or your user generated content sites and, and the absolute ease of anyone setting up an accountant, turning on their phone and recording a form of, of sexual or explicit content, right.
That can upload it with ease. No problem. 2, 2, 5, 7, doesn’t even seem to, to, to, to come into play because that’s what’s happening today. So when you look at your, your, your fan sites or your live cam sites or your pay sites, that’s what we see, but has some, has some quick stats for you that I can’t tell you where these have come from just yet. Cuz we, we put in a paper together on this, but interesting. We took, we took the top 40 adult entertainment sites that are out there. And we did a cross section from tube sites to cam sites to fan and, and fan sites.
And this, this is why our product is so needed because the other stats, 85% of those sites accepted a form of fraudulent ID. Oh yes. Okay. ID which anyone who looked at it would go, that’s not a real ID document. Okay. 74% allowed for illegal content and illegal content. Bruce for me is videos with children in it, not necessarily sexual sexually active children or any form of nudity, but children.
Right? Oh geez. And then 88% of these sites have never responded to a report of abuse or a complaint. Wow. Nothing’s happened.
Speaker 1 (30m 41s): Can I ask, can I ask you a question? I mean, how, how did you get all this information? I mean, I doubt the sites are telling you are showing you their IDs.
Speaker 2 (30m 52s): So a lot of this work and effort was done through actual market research. So actual testing, so real live people, setting up accounts, loading these documents, got it. Going through, going through the actual experience that a, a user would take or go through.
Speaker 1 (31m 10s): Interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (31m 12s): So it’s, it’s so it’s key. It’s key. And, and, and, and it’s this type of research, it’s this type of concerns that needs to be plugged now, all, all of these sites we obviously speaking with and we’re gonna be discussing things with them. Right. But if all of them deployed a single solution like ours, all of that goes to zero.
Speaker 1 (31m 34s): Yeah. Yeah. Well what a can of worms that is though my God, that’s just, yes. That’s just frigging crazy interesting when that gets released. So why do you think it’s important for adult sites to select the right partner when it comes to compliance?
Speaker 2 (31m 51s): Yeah. I think this is critical, you know, Bruce, because the reputation of the site, the financial security of that site is in the hands of that partner. So yep. If you take a, you take our product. For example, if, if we use inferior technology, we will be declining more people that are trying to sign up to that site. So choosing the wrong partner is gonna have a massive impact on that. So, and I mentioned this earlier, the, the whole point of a partnership is that it’s not a supplier led partnership.
It is a joint partnership to succeed. So, you know, if I can produce a technology that that’s at its peak, that’s doing everything it needs to do. That doesn’t mean it will approve everyone. If it fails someone it’s doing it for a reason.
Speaker 1 (32m 41s): That’s like, like credit cards, like credit cards, you, you exactly. Yeah. You reject, you know, the, your PSPS reject people normally because of fraud.
Speaker 2 (32m 51s): Yeah. And, and that’s, and that’s a perfect actually example, Bruce, what we do here is getting rid of those, those guys, those firms, those companies, those content creators that are going to have a negative impact on the business. We are there to step in and get rid of those guys so that the business can, that’s awesome. Continue to develop.
Speaker 1 (33m 11s): That’s completely awesome. So now we agree more regulations coming. You said it, I said it, it’s not hard to figure out where do you think it’ll be focused?
Speaker 2 (33m 20s): Well, you know, I think, I think probably at the moment, it kind of, you kind of get the sense that it’s the, the payment providers that are becoming our defacto global regulators. You know, the, the threat of payment restrictions is gonna hurt people unless they sort sort out their businesses reputation’s critical. So any illegal content is gonna be a problem. AV age verification for users. There’s no doubt that’s coming. No doubt at all. Sure, sure. But I also have a very strong suspicion, Bruce, there’ll be more regulation around live cams and live streaming.
I think that is. And that’s, that’s a good,
Speaker 1 (34m 1s): Do you know this? Do you know this for a fact?
Speaker 2 (34m 3s): No, not, no. I just think it’s a more, a very strong gut feeling of, of how from our own market research where we see quite a few gaps.
Speaker 1 (34m 14s): Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34m 14s): We, we, we think potentially that could be an area that that could be focused on, but I think the, the next big disruption around regulation will definitely be end of this year, potentially start of next year with, with age verification for users.
Speaker 1 (34m 32s): Oh, there’s no two, no two ways around that.
Speaker 2 (34m 33s): And you know, that doesn’t have to be too much of a worry for sites because it, it should be equitable that by that stage, you know, Bruce can be just the top five sites who, who the friendship selected to, to ban, right. And then, and everyone else continue as, as you want. Right. I think we get into a position where everyone’s gonna be in a level playing field. And if that’s the case, there’s technology out there to help them
Speaker 1 (35m 0s): Look. If they, if somebody’s breaking the rules, if somebody’s one of the bad guys, I, I have no problem taking them offline. I, I think it’s great. I think if somebody’s showing kids, I, I think if, if somebody’s letting kids look at porn and, and the governments get wind of it, get rid of them, agree with that. Yep.
Speaker 2 (35m 21s): And
Speaker 1 (35m 21s): Completely,
Speaker 2 (35m 22s): I think, and I think 99% of everyone in this industry believes and, and, and believes that’s the right thing to do as well. Sure. Which is why it’s just about catching those, let’s call it the 1% that are, are buggering things up for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (35m 39s): Yeah. But why do you have such a, such a strong suspicion about cams and what’s your, your gut tell you that’s gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (35m 47s): And to be clear, this is a personal gut feeling of mine. We
Speaker 1 (35m 51s): Get, I
Speaker 2 (35m 52s): Get that. Good. Good. I just think it is very easy to go onto a live cam broadcast with, with very little moderation attached to it. I do think part of the MasterCard rules are trying to plug that gap by ensuring merchants have access to the site to right, to stop the broadcast as well as to put some form of AI in place to, to monitor the feeds. I think it’s a complicated challenge because there are so many facets attached to it from different forms of technology to what are the, the different rules for different cam sites.
You know, other words, who can be on camera, who cannot, I guess that’s one of the biggest challenges today as well. You know, Bruce is you have cam model setting up accounts, 99.9% are doing everything they should be doing. But then you have a small percentage where the, the cam model on camera is, is not actually the account holder who set up the account. So if they were verified before, that’s not the person that’s actually behind the camera, it’s very true. And, and it’s that risk for the business that gets them shut down.
Huge. So, and, and again, it’s that small percentage that are, are just, and then you ask the question, why is that happening? Who’s doing that, or what are the reasons for it? And so are you,
Speaker 1 (37m 17s): Are you, are you suggesting that at a certain point, there’s gonna be regulation. That’s gonna require a, the cam model to be verified every time they go on cam.
Speaker 2 (37m 28s): Sure, absolutely. Yeah. Wow. And, and, and we, and we, and we have this tech already, so that’s huge. So if you consider, if you were a cam model, if you’re a care model, Bruce, and yeah. You’re about to, and you were about to start your broadcast, you’re obviously staring into your camera, right? Yes. Our technology effortlessly will be able to go, yes, that’s Bruce. Let the broadcast continue within seconds.
Speaker 1 (37m 55s): Yeah. You meant within, right.
Speaker 2 (37m 57s): So
Speaker 1 (37m 58s): It’ll be a boom for you guys for sure.
Speaker 2 (38m 1s): And I, and I think it’s, it’s a good safeguard for the
Speaker 1 (38m 4s): Industry. Are you selling stock,
Speaker 2 (38m 8s): Jump in Bruce, jump in.
Speaker 1 (38m 10s): I shall, I shall. How do you think regulation and compliance has already impacted the industry
Speaker 2 (38m 18s): To be fair? You know, I think a lot of that has removed a lot of the unscrupulous. No doubt. I think there’s, there’s the more sophisticated individual who will find his way around all of these checks. If they, if they held bent on, on doing it, they will. Yeah. I think, I think if anything, the regulation is focused the minds more in this industry on compliance. So those sites that are doing all the right things have had to up their a bit more to do more compliant.
And I think that’s frustrating for them, but I do believe as many do that regulation can only and regulation with the right guidance. And that’s the key thing I want to get across Bruce. It’s all very well coming out with regulation or changing standards, but further guidance is required for everyone to understand what that means. And we’re seeing that coming through. Now, a lot of it due to my team’s work with MasterCard and regulators, to understand what exactly is required.
And I think regulation and compliance can only have a positive impact on the business. I think what it will do is ensure those who are focused on growing their businesses will thrive. And those that are, are trying to do the things they shouldn’t be doing are gonna be knocked out all together.
Speaker 1 (39m 42s): That’s awesome. Yeah. And let’s face it. Okay. In any situation, people who break the rules hurt the people who follow the rules.
Speaker 2 (39m 51s): Absolutely. Absolutely. In any, and that’s in any you’re right. That’s in any sector that’s in any business. Yep.
Speaker 1 (39m 59s): Yep. That’s
Speaker 2 (39m 60s): Life.
Speaker 1 (40m 0s): That’s life. My friend that’s in life.
Speaker 2 (40m 3s): Exactly. I say to my son, when you had a very tough rugby match on the weekend and in rugby, I guess any sport, you always try to press the rules to the limit to see what you can get away with.
Speaker 1 (40m 15s): Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40m 15s): And, and as I, I gave my son a bit of a lesson in risk management and I said, well, if you’re gonna, if, if you’re gonna take that approach close to your goal line, consider the risk. The risk will be, you get caught and they end up scoring against you and you go down. Yeah. If you’re gonna, if you’re gonna do that, you either gotta be really good at it. So you never get caught or accept the fact that if you’re gonna do it, there’s a consequence.
Speaker 1 (40m 41s): Always, always consequences in life. My friend, there are always consequences. Well, Hey, Gavin, I like to thank you for being our guest today on adult slate, broker talk. And I know down the road, we’ll have more to talk about.
Speaker 2 (40m 55s): Absolutely. Bruce, thank you for having me much appreciated.
Speaker 1 (40m 58s): Thank you. My broker tip today is part six of how to buy an adult website. Last week, we talked about the sales agreement. So now both you and the seller have signed an agreement. What comes next? There needs to be an escrow setup where you send the money, whether it be a one-time payment or a deposit, if you’re gonna be making payments, the seller for their part puts the assets of the sale into escrow, namely the domains being sold and any other tangible assets that can be put into escrow.
Your attorney can give you more information on that. We recommend escrow domains for escrows. They’re a firm out of Washington, DC, and no, they’re not paying me to say this. I just use them. Trust them and am delighted by the work they’ve done for us. Either an escrow agreement will be drawn up by them in the case of a custom escrow, or if it’s a simple one, it can be set up on their website. Then you, the buyer, the seller and the broker will be contacted by escrow domains with further instructions, such as wiring information, the escrow is opened and either the deal closes within a matter of a few days or an inspection period is allowed.
It all depends on what the agreement calls for, whether you need an inspection period really depends on whether there’s still some information you need to find out prior to the deal being closed. Your broker and your attorney can advise you more on this. And it’s on a case by case basis. Then the money is transferred as are the domains and the deal is closed. Now in many cases, in fact, most of the time, the seller either stays on board for a period of time to help with a transition, or is at least available on an on-call basis to answer questions.
This is something most buyers should ask for, but at this point, you pretty much own the website. What do you do now? We’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with Michael Ramos of ASN entertainment. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Gavin Worrall. Talk to you again next week on adult site broker talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Dee Severe of Severe Sex Films.

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It’s consistently listed as one of the best sex doll stores in the world. Thanks to a focus on customer service. The store currently has no employees. Aside from the owner who works 10 to 15 hours a week on the business. SEO is handled by an agency. This is a business that can be grown by a company with experience in the novelties field and has an experienced team in place. It’s already a very healthy business. That’s making lots of money and growing rapidly only 2.72 million dollars.

Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today and adult site broker talk is de severe of severe sex films. D thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk.

Speaker 2 (3m 4s): It’s my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (3m 5s): It’s a pleasure to have you now D is a director. She comes to fetish porn from a background in rock journalism. She was previously a writer for rolling stone, the Hollywood reporter, and many other publications. She’s also worked in mainstream indie film. It had a gig as a pro dominate truss severe, and her producer performer husband, Jimmy Broadway are a lifestyle BDSM players that co-founded severe sex films with the aim of combining authentic BDSM with cinematic production values.

So various films corrupted by the evils of fetish porn and mind fucked a cult classic one back-to-back expos awards for fetish release of the year. Cybill. Troy is vicious garnered an AVN award for best BDSM release all Charlotte, Sarah tree, filthy angel. I hope I pronounced that right. And

Speaker 2 (4m 3s): It’s civil and Charlotte star.

Speaker 1 (4m 6s): Okay, there you go. I did it wrong. And the, and perversion and punishment 13 were honored by the alt porn awards as best Gonzo video severe has also been nominated for several X biz industry executive awards, and it was a panelist at the SXSW seminar using explicit sex as a storytelling element D and Jimmy live in Las Vegas with their two awesome rescue dogs, Bella and Fiona. Now you started out as a music reporter.

How did you get into the adult industry?

Speaker 2 (4m 39s): It’s a long and weird story. I was, I was in the music industry for quite a long time, and I started getting burned out on it because it’s like when you’re 20 a job where you have to go out to hear bands five nights a week is like the awesomest thing in the world. Once you get into your twenties, a job where you have to go out six thirties, rather once you like a job where you have to go out six nights a week to hear bands gets to be like less awesome every year as it goes by.

So I was getting, I also kind of wanted to write my own stuff as opposed to writing about someone else’s creative process. So I got into, I got into writing mainstream screenplays and I had some limited success with it, but it was very frustrated with the whole process. It was, it’s kind of like in, in mainstream film, like, okay, you write a screenplay, your agent gets an option. Do you think, oh boy, it’s going to be a movie. This is going to be so awesome. And that doesn’t happen.

What happens is you get a producer who makes you rewrite it like 739 times. So you want to like throw yourself and the script and the producer off a roof because you can’t take it anymore. And then this goes on for like a couple of years and you get some like renewal payments and then something goes wrong with the financing and the whole thing falls apart. And you have to start over. So this, this happened to me like four times. And it was, it was just kind of like, I hate this process. I want to make movies. I don’t want to do this.

This just sucks. So, but at this time I had hooked up with my beloved. I’ve had co come out as a Kiki person and we met on alt.com and he was all he’s involved in TV, sports and other live like live TV production. So we joined, we joined a, a mainstream short film collective where basically people crude on each other’s movies. So the group made 60 short films in three years.

And like, some of them, like one of ours, like did a pretty good festival run and stuff. So we were like, this seems like a better idea. This was like, we were like making stuff and we were learning how to do it. And we were kind of like, at that point, this was like in the mid two thousands and we’re straight to DVD. Movies were still a thing. So we were developing like a low budget horror movie that could be straight to DVD. And right at this time, we’re also like really broke at this time because you’re spending all these time making, like, making like short films that went to festivals and didn’t make any money.

So we would go to this fetish club, just no sanctuary, but was passive arts was a dungeon. And we would go there for like fetish night parties and the guy who was running the dungeon kept saying, you should come work here. You’d be really good. So it was like, you know, something, that’s probably not a bad idea. So I got a part-time job at the dungeon as a pro dominatrix. And this guy wanted to get into, like, he’d done a couple of like BDSM movies. That weren’t very good. And we were like, well, you know, we have this film background.

We could like do this stuff for you. And so then we started making his DVDs and we ran his clips for sales stores for two years and proceeded to make all our rookie mistakes on somebody else’s nickel and adapt. And at that point we just realized like, this is so creative and so much fun. And all the people in like kinky porn are so much nicer than the people in mainstream film. And like, and like, we’re actually, we’re like actually making money at this.

We’re making like, like, like half this and half the, the, you know, TV stuff that my husband continues to do is like, this is like a nice income. We can do this. So we kind of took that ball and ran with it. And that’s how I went from rock journalism to what I do now.

Speaker 1 (8m 32s): Wow. Wow. That was quite, that is a, that’s quite a journey now, was there, was there a bit of culture shock once you got into adult?

Speaker 2 (8m 41s): Like a little bit. I was, I was always like a really open-minded person. So I didn’t it’s like, I mean, cause we went to like, because I was part of the BDSM community first, like that part of it, wasn’t like, you know, working in the dungeon, wasn’t like shocking that much. It’s kind of like, it was a little bit of a culture shock when we got more into vanilla porn, but, but we kind of adjusted pretty, pretty quickly. And now there’s so much like there’s much more crossover now because kink is like, thanks to the, the awful, but very helpful shit.

50 shades of gray, like Kik has gotten much more mainstream in those two worlds. So It’s like, it’s like really badly written. I mean, it’s like just, it’s a really bad book and it’s just the way that it represents BDSM is like stupid and inaccurate. Nobody does that. You don’t, you know, you don’t take someone who’s like a complete newbie and kind of make them your like house slave and impose all this stuff on them without their consent.

And they’re like that stuff that’s abuse. That’s like a BDSM relationship is all about consent. It’s like what he does in that book is like completely irresponsible and wrong and bad. But on the plus side, all of these, yes, it got all these people going, ha you know, something tying up my guy or my girl sounds like really hot. I think I want to do it. And then they got into it and then they were like, well, we want, we want to know about other things.

So let’s look at some kinky porn, I get some ideas and this stuff like ours got much more popular. So even though I hate, I hate 50 shades of gray as a thing. I’m, I’m happy about the effect that it had.

Speaker 1 (10m 34s): Yeah. You’re like the third person on podcast who said that. So what’s the difference between working in mainstream film and in porn,

Speaker 2 (10m 44s): Mainly the nice people, part people in people in mainstream film are so desperate to make it. It’s like they will assassinate your grandma. I mean, it’s, it’s like it

Speaker 1 (10m 58s): Or

Speaker 2 (10m 58s): Their own. It’s like, it’s, there’s this climbing thing where you really can’t press study buddy. Right. Because everybody’s so, so desperate. And so, and, and it’s like, and nobody’s really like something good happens. People pretend that they’re happy for you, but you know, they’re not really jealous and they’re not supportive of you. And it’s, and it’s, it’s just the general, there’s like an old joke about New York versus LA in New York. People say, fuck you, when they meet and have a nice day.

And in LA people say have a nice day when they mean, fuck you. So corn is world like New York, mainstream film is more like LA

Speaker 1 (11m 40s): Interesting. So

Speaker 2 (11m 43s): Go ahead. Yeah. Porn porn is just like, it’s, it’s just much more nice and fun with, with the exception of some asshole, people who are slowly kind of getting driven out of the industry, but, but overall people in porn are much nicer and it’s just like there, people are more supportive of each other and it’s just like, people have fun. You know, mainstream film is really not very much fun.

Speaker 1 (12m 8s): Yeah. The reminds me of something. I used to go on a lot of cruises and the, you know, the staff, you say anything to them and they’re like, no problem on. And you know, the one comedian was doing his bit and he goes, you know what that means? Don’t you? I mean, fuck you,

Speaker 2 (12m 28s): Have you seen the white Lotus?

Speaker 1 (12m 30s): No,

Speaker 2 (12m 31s): You should see the white Lotus. It’s about, it’s on, I think it’s on HBO. It’s about, it’s about like rich people at a, at a swanky resort in Hawaii. That’s exactly about that. Just said this is really good. It’s funny.

Speaker 1 (12m 47s): Okay. So how did you get into the BDSM lifestyle? I always wonder how people find it.

Speaker 2 (12m 54s): Well, it was, I think it’s kind of something like, let me put it this way. When I was a little kid and everybody else wanted to be a Disney princess, I wanted to be Maleficent because she lived in a castle and she had like cool minions and she wore all black and she was just like, she had power. So I, I think it’s, it’s kind of like, I’ve always kind of been very edgy and I’ve always kind of felt like, like with vanilla sex, like it was fun, but something was missing and there was like something missing out of those relationships.

So I was like, not like completely happy even when I was in like in a decent relationship. And whenever there was a relationship that was even mildly Kiki, even though there was like totally other things wrong with the person, like that’s the one I’d be like really into. Hmm. So at one point, once I got divorced from my first husband, I was kind of like, you know, something, I’m a kinky person. Like all my fantasies are like this. They’re all about like power and control and cake and fetishes and like, fuck it.

I’m going to do this in real life. Like, I want this, I want this for my real life. I don’t want this to just be like my fantasies. And then, then I kind of actually, this was, this was still in the nineties when people still had ads like in LA weekly. So I put an ad in LA weekly that I was like beginning amateur dominate drinks. And I was like looking for people to play with and that I got like 200 responses and yeah. So then I went like on lots and lots of dates with people and sort of like ended up with, like, I ended up with like two guys who, between the two of them made a really good boyfriend.

Like they both had, Instead of played with them for about a year and kind of got like, I would go, this was also like before, really late. This is like as admit mid to late nineties and like porn really wasn’t on like kink was online, but that was about it. And so you still would go down to like the dirty adult store and read stuff. And I would go in there and I would be like the only woman these guys were like, oh my God. And they would just be like so embarrassed.

And it was really funny. So then I would, I would rent like finished porn and like w watch it and to get hints and stuff. And then like, along the lines of this, in my that I went online and put it ad in an alt.com. And again, got an avalanche of responses. One of the responses I got was my now husband and more than 20 years.

Speaker 1 (15m 25s): Wow. Wow. That’s fabulous. How does kind of something that I was wondering about now being an adult I’m non judgemental? I don’t, I, you know, I, I don’t, I never, I don’t look down on what anyone does about anything, but I mean, how do you think the general public looks at that lifestyle?

Speaker 2 (15m 46s): I think PR I think some of the, I mean, most of them think everybody in porn of vanilla porn or kinky porn is like a freak and disgusting. And that’s just like where the scum of the earth. I think some people, I mean, if they’re, if they’re like open-minded people and they saw 50 shades of gray, they’re kind of probably curious about kind of the more mild things like spanking and light bondage and stuff like that, which is one of the reasons why we have instruction.

We have a series of instructional DVDs for just that purpose so that people can do these things safely. It’s called kink schools. There’s a whole, whole bunch of them, because one of the, one of the things about BDSM is like, kinda like the more he’s made, the more into it, you get the more there’s a capacity for like injuring somebody. Yep. So it’s, it’s, it’s real, you know, it’s kind of like if you, if you tie somebody’s hands wrong and leave them that way you can cause permanent nerve damage and stuff like that. So there’s a, there’s a point where you really have to, you know, like get instruction,

Speaker 1 (16m 52s): You gotta be careful.

Speaker 2 (16m 54s): You have to be careful and you have to practice things and kind of get into it kind of slowly kind of have it be like an adventure with your partner where there was a lot, like a lot of communication. And

Speaker 1 (17m 5s): Yeah, I mean, I, I was able to, I had the, the ability to go watch some BDSM shootings at the kink castle, the late great king castle back when they did the, the why not show there. And God, that was fascinating. I was like, I’m kind of looking, I’m like, oh, I’m not sure what I’m actually looking at here. But, and my poor wife, I mean, she, it was her first. It was one of her early trips from Thailand and this very naive young lady from Thailand and she’s with me and she’s kind of looking at me going.

Hmm. So it was, it was, it was interesting to say the least. So how has relocating to Vegas worked out for you?

Speaker 2 (17m 55s): We love it here. It is. I mean, it’s kind of, there’s so many nice things about it. It’s, it’s kind of got, if you want to do the big city things and go to the strip and go out and go crazy and do all that stuff and go to shows and go to like sporting events. You can do all that. If you want. Like really, if you want to have like a really quiet suburban life, that’s really peaceful and calm and affordable, and you can look at pretty mountains and clear air. You can do that. And the two things that are like 20 minutes apart.

Yeah. So it’s just, you know, like it’s, it’s much more manageable than LA just in terms of like traffic and stuff and like that plus in

Speaker 1 (18m 36s): For

Speaker 2 (18m 38s): Yes. It’s like people complain about traffic here. It’s like, honey, you have no idea. I have no idea how

Speaker 1 (18m 46s): I have a problem with traffic is on the strip. I mean, the traffic on the streets. Ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (18m 51s): Yeah. That’s yeah. If you live here, you never drive on the strip actually never go to the strip unless you’re going to a show or something. It’s pretty much like, like downtown is actually like a lot more fun to me, like Fremont street and

Speaker 1 (19m 7s): That

Speaker 2 (19m 7s): Kind of area,

Speaker 1 (19m 9s): But

Speaker 2 (19m 10s): It’s yeah. I, the other thing with, with LA for us is because we have a studio there it’s like our, our rent was just so crazy and our overhead was so crazy. It was kind of like, we make really good money. Where are we broke all the time? Because, you know, because we had like this insane overhead and also the, the gentrification of the main part of downtown was kinda pushing skid row into our neighborhood. So it was kind of like our rep was going up in the neighborhood was getting worse. So it was kinda like, you know, this is not ideal, but, but happily, a friend of ours took over our studio so we can still shoot there.

You know, when, when we’re in LA, which we do occasionally, but she doesn’t live there. So it’s, it’s like that works out better. Like we lived there. So it was kind of a little bit weirder.

Speaker 1 (19m 60s): Do you miss anything about LA?

Speaker 2 (20m 2s): I mean, I miss having the studio, I really enjoyed like Mike really enjoys building sets and that kind of thing. And it’s, it’s like we had, it was, it was really nice to be able to like take two or three days and do like an elaborate set thing and then like leave it there as opposed to here, where we have to rent things. I miss that. I would say that I miss the beach. Like we really enjoyed the beach when we lived near it, but once we moved away from it, we never went back there. So it’s

Speaker 1 (20m 31s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (20m 32s): Yeah, it was, you know, but I like when we lived in Redondo beach, I really enjoyed the beach.

Speaker 1 (20m 38s): Redondo is gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (20m 39s): It’s nice there. So yeah, I mean, I mean, we go back probably, you know, three, four times a year at, so it’s not like, you know, it’s life, like, you know, like we left LA and we can never see it again. So I don’t really miss that much about it.

Speaker 1 (20m 56s): So what do you like to do when you’re not working?

Speaker 2 (21m 2s): I’m working all the time. I like to go to the gym. I’m really basic person. I like to go to the gym. I like to go do things with my dogs. Okay. Before, before the whole quarantine thing came around, like, you know, go out to dinner and like, we went to a Raiders game that was really fun. I’m looking forward to doing that some more now that I don’t have reviewed them as to like going to concerts, you know, we’re having fun. So like your, your, your basic stuff.

But I mean, we’re, we’re pretty busy right now. So it’s a lot of times like, you know, time off is like, Hey, let’s grub hub. That’d be fun. A different, right.

Speaker 1 (21m 42s): Yeah. Sometimes it’s great to just to stay home and chill.

Speaker 2 (21m 45s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (21m 46s): So what’s, what’s your favorite part of the job you do?

Speaker 2 (21m 51s): I really liked directing. I like having an idea in my brain and that having that idea happen, like making what I see inside my, my mind be a real thing. That’s a movie. And like editing is part of that. So like, I, I enjoy the actual shooting process probably the most, but the editing process is like really vital for making that, you know, for making that vision come to life. So like, that’s why, that’s my favorite. Like, that’s what I like to do if I did, if I could just do that and didn’t have to do any of the other stuff, that would be awesome, but you know, but there’s other stuff.

So, so I know that I need to,

Speaker 1 (22m 31s): What’s your will all that, I’ll ask the next part. What’s your least favorite thing about your job?

Speaker 2 (22m 38s): I, if I never had to program another clips for sale clip or write descriptions or do any, any of that stuff, like that would be awesome. I’m not big on any of that, but it’s like, it’s, you know, it’s like, which is why we’ve kind of arranged life so that, you know, other people take, like most of our deals are with like other people who take a percentage of profit for doing the stuff that we don’t want to do. And that works out perfectly, you know, like, like our website and like all of our tubes and other stuff is, is done by adult empire who are fabulous, you know?

So we just send them stuff and they do cool shit with it. And, you know, they could do better than we ever could because that’s not our thing.

Speaker 1 (23m 23s): Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 (23m 25s): And we have a kink channel and, you know,

Speaker 1 (23m 27s): Nice. So how has the pandemic effected your business and what did you guys do during lockdown?

Speaker 2 (23m 34s): You know, we really lucked out and, and I have to, I have to say, I have, I inadvertently have to thank Blake Shelton for saving her business. This is what happened. We were like, we had all kinds of plans for 2020. And like, we were, there was a concert, like at that point I was going through LinkedIn’s country music phase. So there was a Blake Shelton concert in LA at the forum and he did not have a Vegas show and I really wanted to go. So I figured, well, what the hell?

Let’s just like, we’ll road trip to LA and then we’ll figure, well, you know, as long as we’re going, let’s go, let’s stay a week. Let’s like really shoot a whole bunch of stuff with like our LA Dom’s that we like and like shoot a bunch of stuff in our old studio. And then we can write the whole thing off and we’ll come back. So that’s what we did. And then four days later, the quarantine hit and our income for everything dipped like 70%, but we had enough new content that we could keep our website going through the court team.

Speaker 1 (24m 36s): That’s awesome.

Speaker 2 (24m 37s): Which, which kind of minute is still, you know, like we made it through it, you know, like, like a lot of stuff went away for the time being, we kind of made it through it. And, and then like, as soon as we can safely start shooting something, we did like a lot of testing and like a lot of being really careful and kind of, you know, like just dealing with people that we knew to be like responsible people, you know, but that was, that was pretty much it, like, if that hadn’t happened, if we hadn’t had all that content, we would really had like a big problem.

Cause there was just nothing, you know,

Speaker 1 (25m 11s): A lot of people, a lot of people have that problem.

Speaker 2 (25m 14s): Yeah. It was, it was rough. It was really rough. But it, it also on the plus that we’ll kind of on the plus and minus side, right before that I bought a Mac pro like it really souped up one, you know how much those things cost

Speaker 1 (25m 28s): A lot.

Speaker 2 (25m 29s): Yeah. We bought one of those and on, on one year financing, my chief. So that was like happening. It’s like, oh great. We have to put like 800 bucks a month for this computer on top of everything else going on. But on the plus side, if like we got new cameras too, at the same time, as we were having like this really great year and it came with the DaVinci resolve. So having quarantined gave me this time to just like sit around and learn DaVinci resolve, which is considerably different than final cut pro seven. So that was a good, you know, that I made good use of my quarantine time.

Speaker 1 (26m 5s): Cool. So what’s your philosophy when it comes to casting?

Speaker 2 (26m 9s): I like to deal with people who know what they’re doing. It’s kind of like, I do not get the whole, I mean, I kind of get it for vanilla pour and the whole thing, like higher, like the, the U S most naive 18 year old got into the business. Like four days ago thing. We don’t do that. It’s like, I like people where like, I, I like stuff that looks real. I hate the style of shooting where it’s like, okay, let’s fuck for 40 seconds again, changing my camera position.

Okay. Fuck for another 40 seconds. Okay. Let’s change our camera position. We shoot three camera and preferably I like people to not stop. Like, like, you know, like 99% of the time, if you get three cameras, you have a usable shot at all times. And you, you get this velocity that way that you just don’t get otherwise it’s, it’s got like a emotion to it and it’s, it’s just got like this power to it. And for that, like, you just need, you need people who know what they’re doing, you know, plus with, with like more advanced kinky stuff, you need people who’ve had some training, you know, it’s like, I’ve said like a zillion times just because he put a girl in latex and give her a flogger that does not make her a dominate drinks.

You know? Like, like we have people who, who have skills. And like, once we find somebody who’s got a good attitude and has skills and like, are our fans like, like them, like, we’ll, we’ll hire them over and over again. Like we kind of have a little repertory company of, of people that we like, you know, and we’ll get, you know, we try new things, like kind of like, like the, you think I’ve been for the most part, we’ve been doing femdom stuff, but lately we just shot like romantic male Dom seeing the turned out great.

And it’s been like really well received. So I think we’re going to do more of that. That will be like, kinda like the new adventure and trying out some new people. But, but generally, yeah. I like people who, who know their stuff. I like people who are pros and who know their stuff.

Speaker 1 (28m 11s): I wonder why more people aren’t shooting like three cameras as opposed to one and having to make the performers start and stop because that that’s gotta be a real choppy.

Speaker 2 (28m 22s): I don’t know. I don’t know why more people don’t do it. It seems so. I mean, it’s not that much more, I guess people get used to a certain camera style and it’s it’s, I mean, in part the editing is more complicated. Plus we, plus we have an outside, outside audio track cause that’s cleaner. So it’s like, basically you’re, you’re dealing with like four tracks of stuff you need to sync together and you’re dealing with that as opposed to one track. So that’s like more complicated, but, but I think, I just think it works out better and you get much, much more authentic thing.

And, and for the most part, like for like features, all three cameras have a live human on them for most things. There, there are two people on moving live cameras and one camera’s like a tripod master shot. That’s, that’s basically like sitting there and also is getting some BTS and stuff that is kinda like the backup camera.

Speaker 1 (29m 20s): Cool. So who are some of your favorite do you mentioned you, your kind of your, your go-to people who were some of your favorite performers to work with?

Speaker 2 (29m 30s): Let’s see right now, probably civil Troy, who we wanted an ABN award where this is one of my favorites. She’s like a really top, very, very skilled Dom then. And she’s pretty awesome. Let’s see. Who would we like lately? I really enjoy Vanessa Vega a lot. I enjoy people who can do, who could improvise dialogue. Well, and she’s like really good at that. Like her and her and Kay Carter who were both in our most recent feature, strangers in a book, strangers in a bar and they both did a great job.

We probably reuse guys more often than, than we use anybody else. Because like, in part like, like cute male sub submissive guys are, are hard to find. It’s kind of like, there’s, there’s like, there’s like 10 basically. You know? So like those, those guys like Marcello, fluffy, Tony Orlando, Pierce, Paris driven Navarro. They’re all Vegas guys. Like we use them over and over again. They’re awesome. The Alere Jensen’s of the Vegas little bit who was really fun to work with Kiki, Darryl’s a friend of ours.

We’ve worked with her forever. London rivers. Cool. Charlotte star did a super great job. She’s a friend of ours. We’ve worked with her a lot. Those are, those are some kind of, some of our, Some of our, some of our peeps.

Speaker 1 (30m 57s): Okay. So how has the advent of only fans and other such platforms impacted your business?

Speaker 2 (31m 4s): It’s been really good for us. I mean, I think only Fens has been great for the business in general, because it’s forcing like abusive asshole guys out of the industry because now women are making money on their own. So like, it used to be that, okay, I know this guy’s like a really abusive jerk and this is going to be a miserable experience for me, but it’s $2,000 and I need the money. So I’m just going to like, you know, I’m just going to like suffer through it. Like,

Speaker 1 (31m 29s): Well, at least we’ll at least one of them’s in prison for a very long time. So

Speaker 2 (31m 34s): Exactly. So it’s, it’s like they don’t have to put up with jokes anymore because they had their own money. So I think that’s overall is, is really good. The other thing that’s really good for us is a lot of times we get women who would rather share the content than get paid because they know that like, if we pay them, that’s like a flat amount and they get the scene, they could put the scene up on their only fans are there just for fans, for their loyal fans or whatever else or their website, they can make like three or four times more than they would just be getting paid, which is great for us because that lowers our cost total.

Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s a total win-win so we’re, we’re all about the content share. It’s like, so, so I love the whole only fans thing. I think it’s, I think it’s great.

Speaker 1 (32m 22s): Good, good. Now, do you worry about the right wing powers that be in America, censoring the adult industry?

Speaker 2 (32m 30s): You know, people worry about that a lot. The one thing that I remember is in France, there are 25,000 year old cave that are porn. There was caveman porn that like the second somebody had a creative idea, it involved porn. So there has been porn in every single society in the history of mankind from caveman on. And it’s, it’s like a basic primal urge and no one will ever completely get rid of it. Will they will.

They manage to make our lives more difficult possibly. But you know, people are, you know, there’s a lot of like money and lawyers and smart people in porn. So I’m sure they’re on it. So I, I worry, you know, there’s so many other things, if you start worrying about everything that could go wrong, you’re just going to be like miserable the whole day. You know, it’s, it’s like, yes, climate change can, yes. Climate change is probably going to wreck the planet and a couple of hundred years, and we should do everything we can to help it.

But you can’t really like read about it every single day. Excuse me. As long as you’re doing the responsible thing. So Yeah, it’s, it’s the same deal it’s like, do you know, you, you gotta just do your best, you know, and not do stuff. That’s stupid. You know, it’s like, there was like six,

Speaker 1 (33m 49s): Sorry, sorry that counts out this country. I run into run into stupid every day. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (33m 55s): So much stupid. But, but also with porn, it’s just kind of like, you know, people like, you know, who like get in trouble because like they used an underage person and it’s like, you know, you’re supposed to really carefully check their IDs and do all that. It’s like, you’re getting in trouble because you lost your paper. You didn’t realize you were supposed to like, keep good track of your paperwork. You know, you didn’t realize like,

Speaker 1 (34m 20s): Well, there’s morons out there who think, because they aren’t, you know, because 2, 2, 5, 7 is basically been defeated that they don’t need to keep model records. And that, that couldn’t be farther from the truth. They shouldn’t give, you know, ask any attorney, but unfortunately there’s a lot of lazy people in our industry and also a lot of stupid people.

Speaker 2 (34m 41s): Exactly. You know, it’s, I mean, we still do like all the two do five, seven, we actually got new and improved paperwork from, from Michael <inaudible> because there were some changes in the model stuff. So it’s like, you know, it’s tough to not get in trouble. Like don’t do stupid shit. Don’t do stupid shit. And don’t kind of like wave it. Don’t wave yourself in people’s faces

Speaker 1 (35m 6s): And you know,

Speaker 2 (35m 7s): So,

Speaker 1 (35m 8s): And Michael’s awesome by the way, he’s been been on the podcast twice. So

Speaker 2 (35m 13s): He was great.

Speaker 1 (35m 14s): Yes. Love it. So what is next for severe sex films?

Speaker 2 (35m 20s): Well, we’re real, we’re shooting a lot, which has been great. We’re looking for new locations. We are really like, that’s, that’s kinda the main thing I really wanna, I wanna find like new places to shoot. We’re definitely going to do another. We’re definitely gonna do another feature this year. I I’ve sort of got two candidates. I think it’s going to be about a haunted. I think it’s going to be about a haunted dungeon, going to be another comedy with special effects. I like doing special effects now that I was in quarantine all that time and learned all the shit.

It’s like, Ooh, I can do, you know, like we have, we have our website, we have have our cake.com channel, which we have, it’s going to be like fun and interesting. There was like a big change of their like end with what’s going on with them, but kind of that’s our audience. So that’s a really, you know, important part of our, part of the puzzle. So, you know, it’s kinda like, I always think of them as kind of, you know, like we’re the, like the well-received coffee shop that has five locations and their Starbucks.

Speaker 1 (36m 24s): Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36m 26s): The same serving coffee.

Speaker 1 (36m 28s): That’s amazing. I mean, what, what kink has done over the years? Oh my God. They’re amazing. And did you ever get a chance to go to the king castle?

Speaker 2 (36m 37s): You know, I didn’t, Mike has, Mike has been

Speaker 1 (36m 41s): Okay. Okay. That place was amazing. I leave it, you know, getting, it was like, oh my God, that was what was so cool about when, why not was doing their show in San Francisco. Was that party well, besides the fact that when I was living in the bay, then, so I could jump on Bart and go to the, to, to my hotel and then take Bart back home. I mean, that was pretty good too, but it didn’t even have to bring my car to the city, you know, which is a beautiful thing. So, oh, funny story about that.

I was staying right on market street and yeah, the last night kink party drank a lot. I wake up in the morning and there’s all this noise and I’m like, what the fuck? And I look out the window, gay pride parade, and it’s just like, oh fuck me. Does it have to be today when I’m on over? But anyway, that, that, that w why not show back then?

And they, the kink castle party classic stuff, man, kilowatt class stuff.

Speaker 2 (37m 49s): I bet. But so, yeah, that’s and we should mention probably from, from now on our stuff is going to be all digital. We finally decided to stop making physical DVDs. That’s like kind of our other,

Speaker 1 (38m 3s): There you go. Well, you’re, you’re probably smart. So where can fans find your content?

Speaker 2 (38m 9s): Our main thing is our website, which is severe sex films.com. We also have, like I mentioned a channel on, on kink. So if you have a membership with kink, you can go to our channel there. Those are kind of the two main ones. We still have clips for sales stores, but honestly I wasn’t, they, they, they changed their, their whole like structure of like the paperwork needed. We can just stop dealing with it. So now just like we had them for like more than 10 years, so we still make money, but we tend to stop updating them so much.

Speaker 1 (38m 47s): They were the big fetish player forever.

Speaker 2 (38m 49s): They were a big fetish player forever, but it’s like now, and I understand why they need more documentation now. It just is. So it’s like a lot. Yeah. It’s very cumbersome. Those are kind of the two, the two main things. We are also, you know, on all the main, like the big VOD we’re on like hot movies and fetish movies, ABN game link, adult empire, you know, so any of those video on demand.

Speaker 1 (39m 17s): Excellent.

Speaker 2 (39m 18s): Oh, before I forget somebody flicks up, we just, we just

Speaker 1 (39m 24s): Got along.

Speaker 2 (39m 25s): We just started putting stuff up.

Speaker 1 (39m 28s): Mike’s another, another two time guest on and on. He’s a wonderful guy. I think we’re finally gonna get to meet ’em at the a T E S show. So looking forward to that. Well, D I would like to thank you for being our guest today on adult site broker talk, and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again really soon.

Speaker 2 (39m 48s): I would love that. Anytime.

Speaker 1 (39m 50s): Sounds

Speaker 2 (39m 50s): Good.

Speaker 1 (39m 52s): Thank you. My broker tip today is part five of how to buy an adult website. Last week, we talked about how to determine the value of a site, how to negotiate the sale and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you’re talking to your attorney and you’re having them draft the agreement, what should be in it? Well, your attorney will guide you through the legal side, but here are some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint, what is the date you’d like to close? Make sure, you know, you’ll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase by that date.

I’ve had buyers who aren’t ready and that just causes issues. Make sure that all of the assets you’re purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with the vendors, all records, including 2, 2, 5, 7 data software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites. Of course, it should spell out any payment schedule. If there is one who’s responsible for closing costs, such as paying for escrow.

And there are always terms that are unique to yours in the seller situation. This assumes you’re the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is doing it, then it’s important that you express all of this to your attorney so they can check the seller’s agreement and seeing if any changes are necessary. We’ll talk about this subject more next week. And next week, we’ll be speaking with Gavin Worrall of verify my age and verify my content.

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My guest today on adult type broker talk is porn actress, Seca black Seca. Thanks for being with us today on adult site. Broker talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 23s): Thank you. It’s nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (2m 25s): It’s nice to have you now see, could pick the name Seca, because she was told by many men that she’d looked like the Seca black, who was a porn star. She is 67 years young with blue eyes and natural blonde hair. She’s five foot seven and 140 pounds. The warm weather is spoiled her throughout the years, which has gotten her used to not wearing much clothing. This has led her to be playful, mischievous, seductive, and horny. She is a grandma. I liked that a horny grandma and was an accountant before getting into this business.

That’s wild. Well, that’s a difference between being an accountant and being in porn, huh?

Speaker 2 (3m 3s): Oh yes. After sitting behind a desk for so many years and imagining what else I could be doing, that would be a lot more fun of it. It was a roller coaster. And now I’m finally here when you set a goal, you get there.

Speaker 1 (3m 19s): Yeah, absolutely. So I guess you’re not the same secret from the seventies. I guess I kind of in a short way, told the story of how you pick the name. Why don’t you give me the long version?

Speaker 2 (3m 33s): It’s a combination of I’m dealing with the men in my previous business and they would actually even tell me that I looked a lot like her, which was surprising because they actually tip their hand on a

Speaker 1 (3m 48s): Personal

Speaker 2 (3m 49s): Life, but it was fun. They were, some were trying to make moves on me and then some weren’t they were just being business in a discrete way.

Speaker 1 (4m 3s): Yeah. Yeah. You know, I’ve been reading a book by Nick Manning dropping loads. And in fact, I just finished it last night and I hadn’t, I had Nick on earlier this week or actually last week. And one thing that was, what was real interesting was the author was talking about how ostracized people in our industry are, especially on the performance side I know about on the business side, because you know, can’t get a bank, can’t get processing, you know, all that stuff.

But you walk into a, she was talking about how, you know, cause she lived with Nick for six months while she wrote the book and she talked about going to the grocery store and then going to the grocery store without Nick and the checker would be like, aren’t you the one with the, with the porn star? And I mean, how do, how do you have those types of experiences? Do you get, do, do people stare at you when they see you

Speaker 2 (5m 1s): Very much? Yes. Actually most of the time, if I don’t want to be noticed, I just won’t put any makeup on and wear a hat and sunglasses. But when they, when I do get dressed and I’m out to have fun for the night, I get so many stairs. And then sometimes even when I don’t put the makeup on, they, I still get stairs probably because I do work out and I stay in shape for my age.

Speaker 1 (5m 32s): Yeah. That’s good. I just got back from my morning, 90 minute power walk along the beach. So I understand. And I’m 64, so we’re pretty close in age, but I’m not on camera. And it’s probably a beautiful thing that I’m not because I’m never going to happen. So how did you get into the business? Tell me the story.

Speaker 2 (5m 56s): Oh my well, it’s a combination of, I’m wanting to do it. Oh gosh. That’s a rule. I definitely have to start from the beginning. It’s long, but I’ll try and cut to the chase.

Speaker 1 (6m 11s): We have none on others. Look, look, we have no time limits on this podcast. Give me the whole story. Start from the beginning and tell me the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (6m 20s): Okay. Actually, when I was 30, which that was a long time ago, I was done with children and staying in shape. And I decided that I wanted to be a stripper, even though I was that accountant behind the desk, of course I’m married. So I went to hubby and said, Hey, you know what? We need some excitement here. I’d love to be a stripper for a while and see that side of the, you know, the fun.

And it was really interesting. XR got some puppies here, but, but it’s something where he, he went for it. He loved it. I worked in the evening stripping and made quite a bit of money. And it was something where I actually went and found out that that’s when I’m black men were really attracted to me.

Speaker 1 (7m 22s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (7m 23s): And then we got to where I was making about 800 a night. And I thought, yeah, that was like getting up there. And I, I was starting to want to go more to that instead of my accounting, I decided that I had to quit for a while and get back into the norm of a reality there for, but it was fun. And then at 30 I ended up getting pregnant again.

So it was something where I had to quit doing that and stick with family life again. But then when my youngest was 20, we decided to start swinging. And that’s when that’s when I still had that interest in black men. Yeah. So when we were swinging best where we were, who we were with and my hobby loved videoing me.

And when he was, he would video, he would post me up on sites, just short clips. And that’s when production companies started to call me and said, Hey, you know, you look great. You’re great age. And that we wanted to hire you. You know? So that’s where I’m at, where I got hired, but hobbies and I,

Speaker 1 (8m 51s): We still, how old were you then?

Speaker 2 (8m 53s): Then I was a 50. Mm. Yeah, that was 50 years old. And it was an experience, but I still had my other business. So we slowed down with that, but, and just did swinging for a while, but it’s a combination of back and forth where I would play and do porn. And then I would come back and do the accounting, but it was my end result when I was 65.

And I said, that’s it. I want to strictly do porn. I love interracial. So we got to where I’m, he videos me, edits videos, and then post all on all the websites. It’s been a blast. And now this is my retirement, 65. That was at 65. I went full-time I put the accounting and that’s where, how I started.

Speaker 1 (9m 51s): So your husband is your videographer.

Speaker 2 (9m 54s): Yes, he does everything. He even at, he produces and he posts and he helps me out with some of my emails because I can’t keep up with it all.

Speaker 1 (10m 7s): Wow. Wow. You guys sound like quite the power couple.

Speaker 2 (10m 12s): Yeah. Yeah. Well, my accounting job was with our own manufacturing company. He was the electrical engineer and I was the accountant and we had that for 35 years. We’ve been next to each other through our whole marriage.

Speaker 1 (10m 29s): That’s quite a relationship. And because to be able to work together and to be able to, I know my wife and I couldn’t do it to be able to work together and to live together. That’s not easy.

Speaker 2 (10m 43s): Well, I don’t know. It’s not for some people, but I guess we just, we found the right partner and we hit it off and we always communicate real well. And you know, it’s like a wild time. Like people play, there are ups and downs, but if you’re open, you can do anything.

Speaker 1 (11m 5s): So now you guys, you guys are in the lifestyle and you primarily, as you mentioned, you primarily play with, with black men when you first started swinging and you notice the black men were attracted to what was your first reaction?

Speaker 2 (11m 27s): Oh my gosh. That was wild. Like that’s all I wanted to flirt with was the black men. It’s just a big turn on. Maybe it’s because it’s something. When I was young, I was not allowed to talk to them. That was the time when people were moving, there are white schools and black schools and people were getting busted. So when all that happened, I was, I was overwhelmed.

I, I thought it was empowering to this day. I love that’s my kink. I love black men. They’re just that, that attracts me. Like some people have a feet fetish or pantyhose. It’s, it’s something that that’s my kink.

Speaker 1 (12m 16s): Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you know, obviously you and your husband swing and your husband doesn’t have any problem with what you do.

Speaker 2 (12m 28s): Oh, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (12m 30s): It sounds like he really likes it.

Speaker 2 (12m 32s): He loves to watch. It’s a big turn on and then it’s exciting for us later on.

Speaker 1 (12m 38s): Yeah, of course. Of course. What about your family? I mean, does your family know what you do and what do they think?

Speaker 2 (12m 45s): It’s funny. This generation has been so open. I should say the next two generations AF I’ve got grandchildren that actually know, and some of them are, oh yes. And then some of them are already doing their thing and only fans and other places.

Speaker 1 (13m 5s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (13m 6s): So, yeah. It’s, it’s great. My I’ve got five girls and 11 grandchildren and yeah, it’s been wild. They’re all over.

Speaker 1 (13m 19s): And you’ve got grandchildren or who were on only fans.

Speaker 2 (13m 22s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (13m 24s): That’s fricking awesome.

Speaker 2 (13m 27s): I have, and now I have two great grandchildren.

Speaker 1 (13m 30s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (13m 32s): Still babies, but

Speaker 1 (13m 33s): Oh my God. Oh, that’s awesome. That’s that’s quite a family. Have you always been in Florida?

Speaker 2 (13m 39s): Oh yes. I’m a Floridian. I, this I’m in Fort Lauderdale and I love traveling.

Speaker 1 (13m 48s): Yeah. Yeah. Hey guys, you guys should come out to Thailand sometime. You’d love it.

Speaker 2 (13m 53s): Oh, I I’ve seen pictures. It looks beautiful.

Speaker 1 (13m 56s): I got some pictures for you that I’ll send after the, after we do our interview from dinner last night and you’ll want to come. So tell me about the queen of spades tattoo on your back.

Speaker 2 (14m 9s): Well, it started out where I was seeing all these girls when I was starting to, to swing. And I saw the girls where they had tattoos on their lower back, just normal design. And some these tattoos you can buy to put on your ankle. And that just wasn’t enough for me. I thought bull horns, queen of spades.

I thought, yeah, that’s what I want. So I started to draw out the queen of spades in the middle, and then I have a bowl on each side, which represents, of course my handsome black men. And they, the, each horn is inside the queen of spades on. So it’s balanced. I love it. And I do get a lot of comments.

Speaker 1 (15m 4s): Sure. And obviously the, that the meaning is pretty self-evident. So why do you prefer black men?

Speaker 2 (15m 14s): I find that not only when I’m out that I catch them staring at me the most, they’re not discrete. They’re obvious. Most of their personalities are bold, which I love it’s a turn on because they don’t hide what they think.

Speaker 1 (15m 37s): Well, it’s nice to be wanted. Of course.

Speaker 2 (15m 39s): Yes. And so I returned the looks, of course. And I find that most of them are handsome and fit, which I love. And then I’ve decided, I’ve discovered they have a lot more down below too. So

Speaker 1 (15m 60s): Well, I was waiting for that. I was, I was waiting for the myth, but it’s not, not necessarily a myth. Yes.

Speaker 2 (16m 7s): It’s very true. Very true. In fact, it’s, I’ve got them all. I still continually, I think I have at least five a day that are emailing me, wanting to shoot with me and they’re showing me their pictures of them. Wow.

Speaker 1 (16m 23s): Well, what notable black porn actress have you worked with?

Speaker 2 (16m 26s): As far as men I’ve been with Jack Slayer, Richard man, Jonathan Jordan, which is pussy bandit. His nickname’s pussy bandit there, I think the most popular, but I’ve been out there. Oh, and Don Sudan. He actually has a son that does, does porn. Also. He’s up, he’s up in his fifties. There. He’s really nice.

All the guys are so nice. They’re so thoughtful, friendly. And they do keep in touch. It’s it’s it’s real. A real good profession. It’s

Speaker 1 (17m 10s): Do you do all your, do you do all your shooting out in Florida or do you, do you go out to LA for some?

Speaker 2 (17m 17s): Oh no. I go to LA. I go to Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (17m 21s): Vegas.

Speaker 2 (17m 23s): Yeah. Yeah. But most of the time and I’ve gone to Atlanta, I was starting to go to New York, but with COVID everything slowed down. So it’s but I’m anxious to get out there again. I had, since let’s see here January, no, December, I went back out to California and it’s starting to get busy again.

Speaker 1 (17m 49s): Hmm, good. Yes. That seems to be the case as we record this in February when we’re not going to run it until the summer, but with the backlog of interviews we’ve got, but yeah. Things are starting to get back to normal. Thank goodness. So tell me about your favorite positions

Speaker 2 (18m 10s): Like that.

Speaker 1 (18m 11s): I liked the, I liked that. I liked that sound you make.

Speaker 2 (18m 15s): Well, I honestly have to say doggy style. It depends on what you’re getting though. If it’s only one-on-one it’s doggy, although I could still be on top for D double penetration too. I love that one. My gang bangs. When I get DP, usually I like the guy underneath me and I’m on top and then there’s someone else above me.

They know how to definitely satisfy. Gosh, it’s, it’s a lot of fun. And then of course, then I love to be having a cock in each hand and you know, in my mouth airtight, they’re fun. It’s I get hornier when I’m having gang banks. The more I have, the more cock I have, the more the horny or I get and the harder the climax,

Speaker 1 (19m 16s): Well Seca, you’re in the right business then. So are there certain kind of shoots you prefer?

Speaker 2 (19m 25s): I love acting. I love in the beginning where there’s a storyline. Is that what you mean? Yeah. There’s some exciting ones where I’ve been in the park where I’m I have a Frisbee and I’m throwing it and hit the guy. Then there’s another one where I’m jogging and the guy comes running by and catches up and he runs into the tree. I like those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (19m 53s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19m 54s): I love it. It’s there’s recent one that I did with Brazzers and we were actually playing bingo and I stole some of those bingo chips and stuffed them down light top. And that ended up yelling bingo and my top flies open and all the chips come flying out. That was a lot of good. I love a good shoots like that. There it’s, it’s a challenge at the same time.

Speaker 1 (20m 24s): Well, you seem to really enjoy what you do is, is, is, would that be a, a fair assessment?

Speaker 2 (20m 34s): Oh yes. I love it. If I, I wish I had discovered this many years ago and the technology actually we did, but the technology wasn’t out there.

Speaker 1 (20m 48s): Right, right. Yeah. It’s come along, come along the line.

Speaker 2 (20m 52s): Yes. The DVDs were around them and that’s all you could do is go to an adult bookstore and purchase it there

Speaker 1 (21m 0s): Before that VHS. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21m 2s): Yeah. Oh, I remember that

Speaker 1 (21m 6s): Betamax before that. I remember all of it. Oh God. We’re around the same age. So yeah. We’ve, we’ve had similar life experiences for sure. So what are you besides, besides cock? What are your hobbies?

Speaker 2 (21m 23s): Oh, my hobbies. That’s funny. You said that because my other girl, daughter, that’s I’m into this also. I started making her outfits for us, for cosplay and doing her outfits for she dresses up.

Speaker 1 (21m 38s): Are you, are you at, are you at Liberty to give her name on this?

Speaker 2 (21m 43s): I don’t think I should because she’s in a different direction. So she, so I, so I love sewing besides, besides my gym, I do cycling. I love, you know, those race bikes. I do cycling. So I do two different things that keep me in shape. And then I love my sewing. And of course

Speaker 1 (22m 10s): It sounds like you do three different things to keep you in shape. You’ve got Jim, you’ve got the bike bicycling and you got your sexercise.

Speaker 2 (22m 17s): Yes. In fact, those helped me with my gang bangs working out. You definitely have to. Yeah. The gang bang. You have to work out.

Speaker 1 (22m 28s): Yeah. I mean, I don’t think people realize, okay. And again, I’ve, I’ve learned a lot from reading the reading, dropping loads. I don’t think people realize the physical shape. You need to beat in to do porn scenes.

Speaker 2 (22m 44s): Oh yes, definitely. You know, those guys get they’re pretty strong. And when you get picked up, for example, you gotta be able to hold on. And then of course, when they’re fucking you, you gotta be up there and not falling down on your face. There’s a lot of things which I don’t like push back cause I want more.

Speaker 1 (23m 9s): Hmm. I love it. Okay. So what are your goals in the adult industry?

Speaker 2 (23m 16s): My goals to shoot more with the big companies right now, I’ve with COVID, I’ve been doing a lot more of Cammy and Skype, right? So I’m looking forward to the next five years of a certain starting to shoot and travel more to Los Angeles and Vegas, those types of things with the big porn companies.

Speaker 1 (23m 45s): Okay. It’s,

Speaker 2 (23m 46s): It’s fun to shoot with our own little production company that we have privately. And of course we’re finding a lot more talent,

Speaker 1 (23m 57s): Right? They’re finding you obviously.

Speaker 2 (23m 59s): Yes. Yes. And I’ve been finding some really good BBC out there and they’re young. They love being with the step-mom older woman that seems to be taking off quite a bit. So, yeah. It’s fun.

Speaker 1 (24m 19s): So now you said you like to travel, where do you like to go?

Speaker 2 (24m 23s): I think my favorite places. Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (24m 26s): Hm. Oh. That’s you know, we have that. We have that in common. It’s one of my least favorite places.

Speaker 2 (24m 34s): Wow.

Speaker 1 (24m 35s): I O D yeah. Keep in mind. I grew up in California. Okay. So I, I had had a lot of Las Vegas before I got in the adult industry. And then when I got into the adult industry, we had all those shows, Hey, I gotta tell ya Vegas, doesn’t do it for me. I’ll go. I go to the shows. I like Internext and AVN, although AVN didn’t happen this year. Hopefully it will. In the future. I have my doubts, but I’m hoping it will. But yeah.

Vegas has never been my kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (25m 8s): Ah, well maybe I probably, because like you said, you’ve had plenty of it. Just like I’ve had plenty of Florida and the beach. Yeah. I’ve been here all my life. So I want those bright lights and more shows. And when I do travel there lately, it’s for shoots. I hardly get to see and relax and just enjoy Vegas.

Speaker 1 (25m 33s): Yeah. And there’s a lot to do. There’s a lot to do. There’s good dining. There’s obviously the shows. So yeah, those are good things to take advantage. I’m not saying it’s a total loss. I’m just saying it’s not my favorite place. And keep in mind, living internationally. It really broadens your horizons. And it really gives you a better idea of the world. And you realize that an exotic trip is not going to Hawaii. You know, and most Americans are like, well, I’ve been to Hawaii and I go, well, where else have you been?

Nowhere. Okay. So any place else, besides, besides Vegas that, that you, like,

Speaker 2 (26m 19s): I used to say New York city, I’m hoping one day that I can get back there.

Speaker 1 (26m 25s): That’s a great town.

Speaker 2 (26m 26s): Yes. I love New York.

Speaker 1 (26m 29s): Do you feel like New York? You probably, you probably like Bangkok. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, definitely. It’s crazy town.

Speaker 2 (26m 36s): Well, it sounds like it would be wild there actually.

Speaker 1 (26m 41s): Yeah. I think you and your husband would have a blast.

Speaker 2 (26m 47s): Well, we’ll have to look into that one then.

Speaker 1 (26m 49s): Definitely. Definitely. So besides shooting with production companies, you mentioned new talent, you know, how many, how many guys have you, have you found and what new talent would you be interested in mentioning good name?

Speaker 2 (27m 13s): Very, yes. He did pick out a really good talent name. Yes. And he’s in the middle of Florida and he is like six, two real dark. And he has a real deep voice. That’s the thing. I love deeper voices. And that’s a big turn on to me.

Speaker 1 (27m 40s): I’ll try it. I’ll try to drop it a few octaves. The rest of the podcast. How’s that as a, as a, as a, as a former sportscaster, I can do that.

Speaker 2 (27m 50s): Ah, very good. He’s just got this natural end. He does speak up when he’s in a shoot, he doesn’t hesitate. He’s not shy. I run across a few, a lot of shy black men, and you’ve got to get them to say a few lines in that. Sometimes it’s difficult. I don’t know if it’s just because they’re nervous for their first time, but anyway.

Speaker 1 (28m 19s): Yeah, it could be, could be it’s. So is w how is the, how is the porn shooting scene in Florida is a pretty active.

Speaker 2 (28m 32s): Yes, very. I’ve heard lately from the guys that they’re surprised the ones that do come into town from other parts of the country that they have quite a few shoots lined up with L S because there are so many in Florida and south Florida.

Speaker 1 (28m 53s): Yeah. Yeah. Well, Miami’s, I think always had, some has always had a reasonable Miami and Fort Lauderdale. I’ve always had a reasonable amount of, of shot of shoots down there. And there were some companies down there that are, that are pretty big. So absolutely paper streets down in that area. And I know they have a lot of sites and they do a lot of things. So, so what types of custom videos do you shoot?

Speaker 2 (29m 21s): Well, I’ve done a cock hold where of course the BBC and I, and then there’s a couple of guys that have wanted to pretend like they were my husband and some of those videos, that’s been a lot of fun. Then I’ve had a lot more stepson or my daughter, and she brings home her boyfriend, that type of thing. That’s gotten very popular. I’ve gotten a lot of requests for that.

It is, they do work out really well. In fact, I think Brazzers was one of those shoots where I was moving in on the stepson.

Speaker 1 (30m 7s): Yeah. I mean, do you, and I know this is performance and it’s not real, but as a grandma, as a great grandma, does it ever occur to you when you’re doing like a step son scene, for instance, does that ever bother you or do you just kind of chalk it all up to being a performance art?

Speaker 2 (30m 31s): No, honestly, I look at that person handsome, very attractive. I check out what’s below. That’s all I need.

Speaker 1 (30m 44s): Yeah. Great. See you guys. I love your honesty is love your honesty. Your you’re hilarious. I love it. So what is your secret to staying fit and young, you know, to look at you, it’s really hard to believe your age.

Speaker 2 (30m 59s): Part of it is my genes. I do have my mom’s still living at 89 years old.

Speaker 1 (31m 6s): Bless her heart.

Speaker 2 (31m 6s): We have five generations live right now. She’s yes. She it’s got a lot to do with the fit structure of my generation, my family they’re I think they’re German and Swedish.

Speaker 1 (31m 24s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31m 26s): Yeah. Yeah. And they’re all, they’ve all, they don’t have a weight problems, so, and I’ve always stayed in shape following. I never smoked. That’s got a lot to do with it. Yeah. So I think that’s, that’s part, most of them,

Speaker 1 (31m 42s): You take care of yourself too. YouTube talked about biking and you talked about going to the gym. I mean, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a real commitment, isn’t it?

Speaker 2 (31m 53s): Oh, yes. I know. I have a couple of other MRLs I keep in touch with, and it’s the same thing with them. They they’re always at the gym. It’s a Def definite thing you have to do all the time eating. We stay away from restaurants. And of course that was easy this past year.

Speaker 1 (32m 15s): Well, it’s easy to stay away from something when it’s closed. That’s true.

Speaker 2 (32m 19s): Yes, definitely. But eat healthy. That’s all.

Speaker 1 (32m 23s): Yeah, absolutely. Hey, we went to a restaurant last night and last night and I had a sea bass and stir fried vegetables. That’s not too unhealthy. Is it?

Speaker 2 (32m 31s): Oh, that’s perfect.

Speaker 1 (32m 32s): Oh, and the sea bass here, they kill it and they cook it and they put the whole fish on your plate.

Speaker 2 (32m 38s): Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 (32m 39s): That sounds amazing. I get pictures for you. So how large is your family?

Speaker 2 (32m 45s): Well, my cousins I’ve got at least 52. I think they, yeah, 52. My moms, my mom, her family is so seven children had 52 children. Yes, they

Speaker 1 (33m 7s): Were. It was a great guess or Catholic or Mormon for sure. One of the two.

Speaker 2 (33m 17s): Well, they work in the country. Yeah. My, I think my father’s side was, they were farmers and my mothers was the rich side and they built basements for homes. That’s that’s the combination.

Speaker 1 (33m 35s): Wow. Wow. So

Speaker 2 (33m 38s): I don’t know my cousins I off.

Speaker 1 (33m 41s): Yeah. So what are your goals for the balance of 2022?

Speaker 2 (33m 46s): Oh 2022? Well, my goal is going to be to organize. I have so many different websites where my videos are, are at. Yeah. And I have a couple of different cam sites. My goal is to minimize of just two to two of each, because I have my, I have too many. My ALS my other goal is to start traveling more and shooting.

Yeah. That would be a lot more fun.

Speaker 1 (34m 23s): Right.

Speaker 2 (34m 24s): And also have a schedule for my camps. I, right now I’ve been not at one place at one time and I need to start to do that and then find some more talent out there.

Speaker 1 (34m 40s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34m 41s): I’ve got, I’ve found a few and I love shooting with new talent. There’s so much fun. And Hey, I’m at this age and I have so many guys coming to me and saying, Hey, I’ve always thought about doing it. Can you try me out? And I just have them. I go from there, I send them the requirements. And it’s a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (35m 9s): Yeah. Well, and at that fun seems to be the operative word for you. So how do your fans contact you if they want to get into the business?

Speaker 2 (35m 20s): My, well, I have a couple of emails. My main email is Seca black sixty9@gmail.com. Okay. I have a website. My main website is Seca black.net. Not

Speaker 1 (35m 38s): What happened to the.com. Was that the old one?

Speaker 2 (35m 42s): No. Somebody found out that I was trying it and they bought it right away and then they wanted some money for it. So,

Speaker 1 (35m 53s): Oh, you know what? You should do. You should, you should trademark your a

Speaker 2 (35m 58s): I’ve. That sounds like a great idea.

Speaker 1 (36m 2s): Well, like I said, we’ll talk, we’ll talk, we’ll talk offline. So Seca, I would like to thank you again for being our guests today on adults. I broke her talk and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again real soon. Thank you. My broker tip today is part four of how to buy a website. Last week, we discussed making an offer and deciding the best price for the site you’re buying. Once you’ve made your offer. The work begins. If you’re working with a broker, let’s say adult site broker, for instance, we handled the negotiation for you.

Let’s say the seller doesn’t accept your offer. They may make a counteroffer. If you decide that you’re willing to pay more, you can either accept their offer or counter back to them. A good rule of thumb is to always leave room to negotiate. So don’t make an offer. That is the absolute most you’re willing to pay. If you do that, then you have nowhere to go. If the owner counters your offer, once the owner and you have come to a deal, then it’s time to do some due diligence beyond what it is you’ve already done.

During the initial process of looking at the site, you should have asked some questions like in the case of a pay site, how many joins and rebuilds there are per day and any other pertinent questions during due diligence, you need to make sure everything is where you need it to be technically to integrate it with what you’re already doing. You may even get your developer involved. If you’re not tech savvy, you and or your developer should ask these pertinent questions. Once those are answered to your satisfaction, you should either have the seller or yourself draw up a sales agreement.

I always tell my clients to do the agreement. Why? Because that way you can dictate the terms. So whether you’re the buyer or the seller, you can make the rules. However, just be ready to have the seller’s attorney changed. Some of those rules, nothing is final until everything is signed off on. Another thing we do for our clients is a letter of intent. Prior to the sales agreement being done. This gives your attorney a roadmap for the agreement, the letter of intent and more so the agreement will have all the terms involved, including who pays for everything who pays for escrow.

For instance, this can be paid by the buyer, the seller, or split between both parties. We’ll talk about this subject more next week. And next week, we’ll be speaking with Dee Severe of Severe Sex Films. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Seka Black. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Speaker 2 (2m 44s): Thank you for having me

Speaker 1 (2m 46s): Great to have you. Dr. Monique is a mental health therapist contracted with pineapple support who provides therapy and coaching services to performers around the world. By the way adults, I broke her talk is a, a pineapple support, and we believe very strongly in what they do. She earned a doctorate in behavioral health with a primary focus in health psychology from Arizona state university. She also holds a master’s in mental health counseling with an emphasis in crisis and trauma from Walden university.

She’s a long time therapeutic practitioner who has a unique passion for working with professionals in the adult industry and sex workers of all sexual expressions. She’s contracted. As I said, with pineapple support and works daily to de-stigmatize mental health and sex workers in her experience, she’s noticed that sex work is an industry that lacks a safe space for sex workers to be their authentic selves. As a result, her longtime goal has been to connect and help our clients develop better emotional, cognitive, and positive coping skills while valuing, respecting, and providing sex workers with the dignity they deserve.

She brings an effective blend of experience, clarity, concern, and action to the therapeutic process. In order to maximize treatment outcomes, provide genuine healing and wholesomeness to her clients so they can make positive changes in their life. Now she has a private practice rose LLC. That’s based in Las Vegas, Viva Las Vegas in a work with sex workers, and she does up to 16 sessions of therapy, regardless of location and sorry, Dr.

Monique that’s all the time we have for today. Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (4m 34s): So

Speaker 1 (4m 37s): How did you first get interested in working with sex workers?

Speaker 2 (4m 42s): I’ve always been kind of an outcast. The majority of my close friends, close female friends are sex workers, or they work in the adult industry from Arizona to California to Miami. And they have been a part of, of my, of my own personal growth. And I figured the only way for me to give back to them other than going in, supporting them at their events or at their clubs or wherever there might be performing, that would be, you know, to, to work with sex workers on a more intimate level and create that safe space for them.

Speaker 1 (5m 24s): That’s fantastic. Yes. Sex workers definitely are outcasts by society and to find somebody like yourself who has that commitment, that’s, that’s really fantastic.

Speaker 2 (5m 38s): Very rewarding for me.

Speaker 1 (5m 40s): Yeah. It would be rewarding because you know, when you’re dealing with a group of people that others don’t want to work with, it must be really nice to be dug in with that group.

Speaker 2 (5m 56s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (5m 57s): So it is sex worker counseling, all you do, or do you work with non-sex workers?

Speaker 2 (6m 4s): Yeah. So it’s actually not all I do. It’s so half of my private practice is adults and half of those adults are sex workers or in the adult industry. And then the other half are non-sex workers and then the other half. So the other 50% are children, children and families.

Speaker 1 (6m 24s): Interesting. Interesting. So what do you, what do you see the differences between the issue sex workers face and non-sex workers

Speaker 2 (6m 34s): For me? I would say my experience in the last couple of years kind of post COVID has been just the stigma around the job or the jobs that’s about it.

Speaker 1 (6m 48s): Okay. Okay. Can I, can you get into a little more detail on that?

Speaker 2 (6m 52s): Yeah. So, I mean, when someone comes in, even if they’re referred through pineapple support, they don’t know, they don’t know that. I know that they’re a sex worker, unless I tell them. Right. So they don’t, there’s a place on my intake form that says, will you tell me about your employment history? Like, are you currently employed? And most people leave that blank. Even non-sex workers leave that blank. So it’s something that I always have to bring up during the first session after we chop it up for the first 15, 20 minutes, I asked them.

So, you know, do you need a, do you need an excuse for missing work today? And then usually it comes out then? Well, no, because I work for myself. This is what I do, or yes, I do. Can you give me an excuse? Like a doctor’s not.

Speaker 1 (7m 37s): Yeah. Do you find that sex workers are less likely to tell you what they do or more likely?

Speaker 2 (7m 45s): I would say after the first, like 15, 20 minutes, they’re more likely to tell me everything.

Speaker 1 (7m 52s): <inaudible>, they’re more open. Okay.

Speaker 2 (7m 55s): And I also don’t look like a lot of therapists. I think when they come in or they read my credentials online, they expect something. So I try and have all of my social media and stuff, kind of reflective of me. I post pictures of myself or post pictures of my family and my husband. I don’t look like the typical therapist, you know, they expect they’re going to walk in and you’re going to have like this cookie cutter person in the suits or something. I’m laying on a couch with a clipboard and that’s not, that’s not what I do.

Speaker 1 (8m 28s): Yeah. What’s been your impression over time in sex worker, just issues. I mean, what issues are common with them

Speaker 2 (8m 44s): And say the most common ones are relationships like how to manage relationships well-being in the industry. Is that something that’s possible? Is it something that’s looked down? The other big one are addictions. So drugs, alcohol, even recreational alcohol, recreational, marijuana, tobacco, everything too much of something is bad. Too much of anything is bad. Too much. Coffee is probably the top two.

Speaker 1 (9m 19s): What about trauma?

Speaker 2 (9m 20s): Yeah, definitely a lot of trauma. And usually once we get into those first two topics, trauma always comes up.

Speaker 1 (9m 27s): Okay. When you’re dealing with trauma with sex workers, what are your biggest challenges?

Speaker 2 (9m 37s): I I’d say the first biggest challenge is for them to say out loud to a stranger, what their trauma is. I always tell people, you know, in that first session, like I’ve been on the other side of the couch. I’ve been on the other side of the couch as a mom and as a human being in many different forms throughout my whole entire life. And as a wife and as a girlfriend and as an addict.

And so once I, once I kind of give them some self disclosure and let them know they’re talking to another human being alphabet soup behind their name, to help them through their journey, they’re usually able to open up.

Speaker 1 (10m 21s): So you’ve had addiction problems yourself,

Speaker 2 (10m 23s): Definitely.

Speaker 1 (10m 25s): Oh, wow. Do you want to get into any details?

Speaker 2 (10m 28s): My choice of drag was cocaine and in 2005, my oldest daughter’s dad was murdered. And that’s what I did to cope for a long time. And it took, you know, lots of things to happen. The world took that energy and did with it, what it did and told me I need to get my head out of my ass or I was going to lose my kid.

Speaker 1 (10m 57s): And you, you express your experiences. You tell them what you’ve been through.

Speaker 2 (11m 3s): Yeah. If I find it, it’s going to be helpful for the therapeutic relationship or for the therapy P whatever’s going on with them. Especially if I sense some hesitation, I’ll let them know here. Let me tell you something about me. So you don’t see me. Cause a lot of times people come in and they see, oh, a therapist while they’re holier than thou furthest from the truth.

Speaker 1 (11m 27s): Yeah. Yeah. Talk about the trauma that you went through, obviously with the murder. Talk about that and talk about how it relates to the trauma that you see in sex workers. In general. I know you can’t get into specifics with clients, but talk about the differences and the similarities.

Speaker 2 (11m 56s): I would say the only differences would be like the act of trauma. So my trauma was being the homicide survivor and their trauma. Some of them have very same, you know, similar stories or, you know, they are homicide survivors themselves. They refer to them as something else. I always refer to everyone who survived anything as a survivor. And so just the act, the actual trauma act is different, but everything else is the same.

The grief that goes along with it, you know, I think now there’s nine stages of grief. So nine stages of grief in and out over the course of many years and many therapists and medication, even for me personally. And you know, there’s still bouts where I get sad and that’s what happens with people as they work through it, they feel like, okay, I’ve come to a place in my journey where they’ve accepted this. And then lo and behold, you’re driving down the street and something comes on your, you know, playlist and you’re hearing your feelings again.

It takes you back to whatever happened.

Speaker 1 (13m 1s): How long ago was that?

Speaker 2 (13m 2s): Well, it was in 2005. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (13m 6s): Sure, sure. But yeah, I, in 17 years that doesn’t go away.

Speaker 2 (13m 11s): No, no, not when you have a kid that looks like him every day.

Speaker 1 (13m 14s): Yeah. Yeah. I can only imagine. I, I can’t imagine actually. So what types of trauma do you face dealing with sex workers? What are some of the acts of trauma? When we talk about sex workers, I know we’re talking about adult performers, but we’re also talking about prostitutes to, to use a slang word. And I’m sure in Las Vegas, you come across a lot of those, it being one of the prostitution capitals of America.

What types of trauma do you come across in dealing with your clients

Speaker 2 (13m 59s): And say a lot of trauma related to consent? So sexual trauma, addiction, trauma, a lot of domestic violence like intimate, intimate violence, intimate partner violence. IPV is a new term. So a lot of, a lot of violence like that. And then, you know, for my clientele, I’d say of the 25% sex workers that I work with about 10 to 15% of them have children.

So this trauma related to their children that they deal with as a parent,

Speaker 1 (14m 38s): Okay. Now the sex workers that deal with clients out there, do you find that there’s a lot of violence against them that they relate to you

Speaker 2 (14m 50s): I’d say so during quarantine, and then since Las Vegas has kind of opened back up to kind of run, normally, if you will, it’s minimized or at least from what’s reported to me.

Speaker 1 (15m 6s): Interesting. Interesting. Now the people with children, what kind of traumas do they go through?

Speaker 2 (15m 14s): Well, things like getting their kids into school, the majority of my clients have kids that are like in middle school, middle schoolers, look that look up on the internet. Lots of things. So the potential of, you know, some, some parent getting found out like, Hey, your mom does this or Hey, your dad does this and kind of forecasting. What is that conversation going to look like? Or if it’s already happened, let’s figure out how we can make it an open conversation to not make them feel uncomfortable, or you feel uncomfortable as a parent.

Speaker 1 (15m 52s): Do you find most of your sex worker clients that their kids know what they do?

Speaker 2 (15m 59s): I’d say it’s like half and half.

Speaker 1 (16m 1s): Okay. And I would imagine that for the other half, well, for both half. So it probably creates issues, right?

Speaker 2 (16m 10s): Yeah. Yeah. It definitely does. I don’t know if you have kids, Bruce, but kids will throw anything in your face parent or no parents.

Speaker 1 (16m 18s): I was a kid I got picked on bloody. So, you know. Yeah. I mean, I understand, I understand how cruel children can be. I think everyone can cause they were all kids at one point. So yes. And I can only imagine. I mean, what happens when somebody works in porn? Okay. Works in an adult and I mean, let’s face it. Okay. Kids sadly are able to get on the internet and look at adult content.

What happens generally when a client of yours gets found out and they come to you,

Speaker 2 (17m 3s): It’s usually a conversation. I process it with them. And when I say process, we go through it all, like, how was it brought to your attention? What did you feel in that moment? What are you feeling now in that moment telling me what can we do to work through it? A lot of times we’ll have to bring the child in and they have a session with me, their parents. They’re kind of me as a mediator just to kind of get everything out in the open.

Speaker 1 (17m 32s): Yeah. I guess having children as clients definitely helps that.

Speaker 2 (17m 38s): Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (17m 41s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (17m 41s): I have lots of cool things in my office, in my office too. So I have like a sand tray. I have Legos. So a lot of times, even I think my adults play more with the sand tray or the kinetic sand have like these little emotion cons. I can send you a picture of the adults play with more with those than the kids do.

Speaker 1 (18m 1s): We’re all big kids now. Aren’t we really now how can your mental health cause burnout?

Speaker 2 (18m 11s): Well, what do you define? How do you define burnout? Can I ask you that?

Speaker 1 (18m 17s): I define it. That’s a good question. Why don’t you tell me how you define it?

Speaker 2 (18m 24s): So for me, when someone comes in and they’re telling me, Hey, Dr. Mooney gone and filling, let’s see, I’m filling one of the big trigger words. This year has been imposter syndrome, thanks to tick knock and all that. So I have lots of clients coming in sex workers and they taught me, I’m feeling very, imposturous like, I play this person on scene or I play this person at work. And then I come home and I was just me. And so there’s a lot of, self-doubt a sense of failure, not being good enough, feeling helpless or defeated, or even trapped feeling detached.

So like, you know, they can be working these wonderful doc jobs, a great, you know, see me, but leave and just felt completely like, not themselves. Like they’re no longer there. A lack of motivation is another sign of burnout, having like a cynical or negative outlook, decreased satisfaction in things that they once like, like having no, no sense of accomplishment essentially.

Speaker 1 (19m 34s): Hmm. You mentioned motivation. So how can your mental health affect your motivation and what do you do about it as a therapist?

Speaker 2 (19m 44s): So your mental health can affect motivation. And a lot of ways, I don’t know if too many people know this, but I was taught in my master’s program. That there’s five stages of burnout. There’s a honeymoon phase, which is where you feel so burnt out, but you know, you gotta do it. And so it’s like the stage of that comes with lots of energy, lots of optimism, lots of motivation. There’s the onset of stress phase, which comes right around when that honeymoon phase dwindles out and you start to experience the stress.

So I don’t know if you’ve ever done like so many podcasts recordings in a week and you feel like, oh yeah, I’m so, so happy and excited and motivated to do it. And then comes like the next week. And you’ve just like

Speaker 1 (20m 32s): Completely

Speaker 2 (20m 33s): Pummeled into the hole. And you’re like, oh my God, I got to edit these now. Or I don’t know the processes, but you’re just like, Ugh. So that’s the onset stress phase of

Speaker 1 (20m 42s): Burnout,

Speaker 2 (20m 44s): Chronic chronic stress phase where that onset phase continues and it doesn’t go away. Then it’s the actual burnout phase and then habitual burnout phase where you just don’t, don’t come out of it and you need to find help.

Speaker 1 (20m 58s): And once someone comes to you with that fifth phase, how do you get them out of it?

Speaker 2 (21m 5s): Well, hopefully they come to me by like the second or third base. But if I get them at the fifth stage, then I have to sit with them and kind of reevaluate what got them there. And that’s really hard for people because in that moment, all they can think about is what got them to therapy in that very moment

Speaker 1 (21m 22s): Where they are.

Speaker 2 (21m 23s): Yeah. It’s not until we meet three or four times that they’re like, oh, okay. Well, I remember two months before I reached out to pineapple support and got paired with you, I was going through a, B and C and then we’re able to kind of bring it back to light. I call it rakes through it. So I imagine like we live a life of leaves and when we’re experiencing burnout, it turns into a big pile of leaves that we just landed. And then you need someone to help you break that out and I’m there to help you rake out everything.

We make piles and we throw some stuff away, some other stuff we don’t need anymore.

Speaker 1 (22m 1s): Right. So how are sex workers with past unresolved traumas affected by sex worker experiences?

Speaker 2 (22m 11s): In my experience thus far, working with sex workers, what I’m coming to the conclusion too, is that a lot of sex workers who have unresolved trauma are in sex work to resolve that trauma,

Speaker 1 (22m 25s): Interesting

Speaker 2 (22m 26s): Sex work offers a lot of freedom to people who have previously been in a, in a controlling, you know, domestic violence relationship or controlling family life, a lot of older siblings and middle children. And if you’re going to come from me, I’m sorry, but I’m a middle child. So, so I understand that

Speaker 1 (22m 49s): A I’m a beginning, middle and end child.

Speaker 2 (22m 53s): Oh, wow. Okay. And so I think a lot of, again, in my experience with my clientele, a lot of these performers have unresolved traumas that they’re working through actively and that that’s, what’s kind of pushed them to the sex work industry.

Speaker 1 (23m 12s): So once they do that, and you said a lot of them are coming into sex work to try to confront their traumas, do those traumas get healed or do they not get healed or what ends up happening? In most cases

Speaker 2 (23m 31s): I would say, well, I don’t know. I don’t know in most cases, but I know what the clients that I see that I, or clients who, who are proactive on their mental health and asked for help probably have a, have a higher rate of working through that trauma. I think other times it goes the other way where like those addictions take into place, they go back into, you know, negative, unhealthy relationships, not just with significant others, but even with family members or with, with work environments.

Speaker 1 (24m 7s): I mean, in most cases, do you think that sex workers are totally healthy and I’m pro Megan in trouble for asking this, but are totally healthy mentally. And God knows, I don’t know how many of us are when they come into sex work or are they coming into sex work and in, in a lot or most cases because of their past experiences,

Speaker 2 (24m 37s): I would say they’re coming into sex work because of their past experiences.

Speaker 1 (24m 41s): Okay. And what are some of the past experiences that lead people into sex work?

Speaker 2 (24m 48s): I’m not sure. I can’t speak to that as a whole though with my clientele. The themes that that are common are like the ones that I said, relationships, poor relationships, unhealthy relationships, not just with a significant other. It can be with previous employers, both in and out of sex work, family, you know, toxic family members. That’s a big one. That’s a real big one.

Speaker 1 (25m 14s): How about, how about, how about, how about their upbringing? How does your upbringing affect somebody getting into sex work as they’re, as they’re being raised by their parents?

Speaker 2 (25m 27s): One of my methodologies that I work from is a foundation of attachment styles attachment. So one of the first things I do with clients when they come in is I send them a short quiz that they complete. They send me the results and it basically gives me their attachment style. From there. I ask them some questions through a conversation similar, like the one we’re having today and I evaluate their adverse childhood experiences.

And then from there I’m able to glean kind of what their childhood was like. Mostly what it ends up is, you know, people have an insecure or an unhealthy attachment style. So we latch on to different things in different ways because it makes us feel safe.

Speaker 1 (26m 16s): What is attachment style?

Speaker 2 (26m 18s): So attachment style is basically the way you interact with people, but there’s four main ones. There’s a secure attachment style, an anxious attachment style avoidance, which is avoidant and then fearful avoidant, which is kind of a disorganized, like that’s the type of person where you’re like, I want to be in a relationship and I’m going to make this relationship happen. The moment that motherfucker gets serious, you start blocking them and putting them on shine and not wanting to talk to them.

Speaker 1 (26m 50s): Ah, yes, yes. I dated one of those. So, you know, she had, she had, she had all kinds of issues. So how important is a sex worker support system and how diverse should their support system be?

Speaker 2 (27m 6s): I think sex workers, Stover support system should be as diverse as possible. It should not just be completely other sex workers will be completely just, you know, outside of the sex work and it should be a little bit of everyone and it should be people that support you, but at the same time, hold you accountable. And that’s where it gets tricky. Because a lot of times, as people, as a person, as part of someone’s support system, we want to, we want to help them.

And the last thing we want to do is piss them off. But in reality, what are we doing? We’re enabling that person. We’re enabling whatever behavior or whatever thing they’re doing. That’s not serving them. Right, right. So we’re not doing them any good. So if you’re going to be a part, you know, as you’re picking your support system, try and think about like, okay, when he has a big mouth, but I know she’ll tell me when I’m doing something good, but I also know she’ll hold me accountable. If I tell her, Hey, I’m going to do this. And then I come back three weeks later and she’s like, all right, where’s the progress for this?

Show me that, you know, accountability partner and I don’t have it to show it. She’s going to call me out on it.

Speaker 1 (28m 11s): And, and I mean, but, but do people actually do that consciously

Speaker 2 (28m 18s): Do

Speaker 1 (28m 19s): Pick their support system really. Okay. That’s, that’s interesting. And I assume that a support system is important.

Speaker 2 (28m 32s): Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It helps when you’re burnt out and helps when you’re getting past that honeymoon phase or if you’re in that honeymoon phase and you have, you know, a person who’s grounded in your support system that can tell you, Hey, you know, things are going really good right now, but I want you to be able to know that it’s not always going to happen like that. Right. So instead of going in spending, you know, I don’t know, a thousand dollars or spending all this on outfits or on cars or on a lifestyle.

How about you save it? How about you invested in this? Or how about this

Speaker 1 (29m 7s): And how important is the support system for sex workers versus non-sex workers?

Speaker 2 (29m 13s): And we’d say they’re both as important. There’s not one.

Speaker 1 (29m 17s): Okay. What are some positive coping skills that work with sex workers?

Speaker 2 (29m 24s): So the first one would be being mindful. So mindfulness is one of those things that has been pretty big recently and being mindful is just being fully present and aware of like where we are and we’re doing,

Speaker 1 (29m 42s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29m 43s): It helps us not be overly reactive to something or overwhelmed by what’s going on. And I think for me, when I asked people, can you be mindful? They look at me like with this blank stare. And they’re like, you want me to sit there and meditate? And I’m like, no, no, that’s not. What mindful means mindful is, you know, there’s mindful breathing where yeah, you take a moment, sometimes 30 seconds a minute and you take a deep breath. If you have one of those fancy smartwatches that usually has something on there to take a minute of mindfulness and know times you with your heart rate and stuff,

Speaker 1 (30m 20s): That was irritating me. I finally turned it off.

Speaker 2 (30m 25s): You have to start it again. Then maybe on your own terms though, mindful breathing, then there’s just concentration being aware of your body. Being aware of what you’re eating. A lot of us, me included, you know, we go out to eat for lunch or dinner or whatever breakfast. And we sit there and we’re sitting with someone, but you know, I’ll be down. If I don’t put my phone on the table to make sure nothing comes through. So in that moment, I’m not being mindful of what I’m doing.

I’m not being respectful either, but that’s a different topic

Speaker 1 (30m 59s): Sign of our times, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (31m 1s): Yeah. But releasing tension, walking, using coping skills and how to be mindful. Some other coping skills that I utilize with clients is being aware of where they feel it in their bodies. And so maybe throughout this podcast, someone’s going to listen to it. And maybe I said something, or you said something earlier and they fill it in their thighs or size hold a lot of stuff. We always go for our guts, like our bellies or shoulders, sometimes our test.

But a lot of people don’t even acknowledge like that their thighs get tense. Like you start to flex your butt. You start to flex your legs. Another part that often gets ignored is your tone. Your tongue in an upright position will make you stress all the way through your jaw, your neck all the way down.

Speaker 1 (31m 55s): Interesting. I got to tell you, this is fascinating. I’m learning a lot. And a lot of the things you’re saying I’m, I’m relating to my own experiences, my own life, my own stresses, my own, you know, relationships. And yeah, I got to tell you already, it’s it’s helping me. So thank you. How does sex workers suffer from body insecurity?

Speaker 2 (32m 23s): That’s a common one earlier. I had mentioned something about, I don’t know, I think filling like imposter syndrome, right? So that’s kind of just feeling like, like, how’d you get here, someone’s going to find me out. Someone’s to know that I’m not like this bad-ass person and there’s a lot of body insecurity and sex workers. I think, I think because of how they have to portray themselves, whether it’s camming or whether it’s dancing or whether it’s performing, they know they can’t be that 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Although they still try. And that trying is what kind of eats them up.

Speaker 1 (33m 8s): Yeah. I bet it would. I bet it would be exhausting.

Speaker 2 (33m 11s): Yeah. Oh

Speaker 1 (33m 14s): No, no, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (33m 14s): I was going to, I was going to say, when I work with clients and they tell me no, I’m having a lot of body insecurities. What I, what I try and help them, help them learn about more is kind of where those insecurities are coming from. Is it something that like society really expects them to look like 24 7? Or is it the narrative that they feed themselves? Because a lot of us feed ourselves, even myself. I’m, I’m not in sex work, but when I, when I work, I want to look presentable and my, my version of presentable cookie cutter version.

So I want to look nice. I wear a little bit of makeup. I have most of my makeup tattoos, so that’s easy, but I want to look decent. I have my nails done and there are some times where I’m like, okay, I’m human. I don’t want to dress up today. I just want to throw my hair in a bun and come into work.

Speaker 1 (34m 4s): Right.

Speaker 2 (34m 5s): And then what happens then is I start feeding myself or reinforcing this negative narrative of this lie that I tell myself that I’m not good enough that I don’t look like a therapist because I don’t look like a therapist. I’m not a good therapist. And I think a lot of the sex workers do that, we feed ourselves this negative, negative narrative or negative facts that we think are facts that support our negative narrative.

Speaker 1 (34m 33s): Yeah. You sound like a great therapist. So

Speaker 2 (34m 37s): Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34m 38s): So how important is an effective work-life balance for sex workers?

Speaker 2 (34m 44s): I think it’s very important. It’s as important as anything else, they need to be able to differentiate the two. And that’s where, you know, that support system comes in. That’s why you can’t just hop, you know, the same type of support system, because they’re gonna, they’re not going to be able to balance where you,

Speaker 1 (35m 4s): Okay. So how to interpersonal relationships such as dating or being in a relationship affect sex workers, mental health and their work.

Speaker 2 (35m 14s): That would be another, another podcast, Bruce. But in a nutshell,

Speaker 1 (35m 20s): I don’t know. I don’t have a time limit. So go forward.

Speaker 2 (35m 24s): Okay. In a nutshell though, I think it affects sex workers greatly. There’s a lot of times where it, you know, they can’t have a relationship with certain.

Speaker 1 (35m 38s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35m 39s): I think that’s a pretty open thing. Or they have an Eden. If they have an agent, they have an agent telling them, Hey, you know, maybe you should slow down on this or maybe you shouldn’t, you know, be seen out with them. And you know, to put those kinds of restrictions on people who are being vulnerable and have a vulnerable job is really, it’s really hard. It’s really defeating. It kind of goes back to that, feeding them selves a negative narrative. So you don’t know what’s going on in that other person’s head. So if you’re an agent and I’m telling you, Hey Bruce, you can’t, you can’t see Monique no more.

And you’re already in your head about how, you know, you shouldn’t be in that relationship. What’s that going to do? That’s going to support that negative lie. And then before you know, it, you’re down this rabbit hole, you can’t find yourself out of,

Speaker 1 (36m 24s): Do you ever come across a client where you advise them to get out of sex work for their mental health?

Speaker 2 (36m 33s): As of yet? I have not. I do advise them, you know, I do advise them to make sure that they’re setting good boundaries, that they’re respecting themselves and others, if they find that that work life balance is more work than life, then I’ll sit with them and we’ll figure out a plan. Like I have had clients who’ve taken out their itinerary with me and then like, okay, I’m going to Miami for four days. And I’m supposed to be camming this day, trading this day and doing this.

And so we go through each activity, we determine, okay, how is this going to support me? That’s one of my biggest questions that I ask my clients to ask themselves, how is this going to support me?

Speaker 1 (37m 16s): Yeah. Yeah. And I would imagine the ones with families that gets even more complicated. What are, I mean, what are some of those, those additional complications with their schedule and their kids?

Speaker 2 (37m 31s): The majority of the ones that, like I said, the ones that have children have a strong support system that, you know, takes care of their kids if they’re kind of away at shoots for a long period of time. So they have like reliable babysitters that’s super important, trustworthy babysitter, more so important. Or they have like an older child that can care for the other ones.

Speaker 1 (37m 56s): Yeah. Okay. So how has the pandemic effected sex workers, mental health? I’m sure it’s been devastating.

Speaker 2 (38m 3s): Yeah. I would say from what I gather from my clients so far, it hasn’t been, there’s been a lot of transitions that sex workers have gone to, or had to go through. A lot of them that were working kind of in person like a local gentleman, clubs and stuff had to move everything online to coming to phone sex, work to all the other sex work that’s available. And some of them had good results from that and others didn’t, but they’re still struggling to going back.

They still don’t know if they want to go back because they haven’t been back for like two years.

Speaker 1 (38m 43s): Yeah. I would imagine it would be traumatic for many sex workers to risk getting COVID.

Speaker 2 (38m 53s): Yeah. And I know a lot of the places locally here, they all require, you know, some type of COVID testing. In addition to the regular testing that goes on some of the producers I work with, they require everyone on set, you know, to have a COVID test. And if there’s any sign of any kind of, you know, immune systems stuff going on, even if it’s just a cold, they may just cancel things.

Speaker 1 (39m 22s): Okay. Well at least there’s some safeguards in place.

Speaker 2 (39m 26s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39m 27s): That’s a good thing. So Monique, how can someone contact you?

Speaker 2 (39m 31s): They can contact me through pineapple support. There’s other wonderful therapists on there. Also, you can usually go and look on there and click on your state pineapples because pineapple support does offer counseling and coaching. If you like. I have clients who live in New Zealand, but I have some that live in Japan. And so as long as we work out the time difference, I am able to see anyone from anywhere.

Speaker 1 (40m 1s): That’s all. And now about your private practice.

Speaker 2 (40m 5s): Yeah. So you go online, it’s key rose LLC, and I have the Twitter, Instagram, all the social media stuff.

Speaker 1 (40m 17s): Great. Hey, one more question. And we really didn’t cover this about pineapple support, you know, in when Leah for started pineapple support, I was thrilled and obviously there was a real emergency with performers taking their own life. Talk about the importance of something like pineapple support for the adult industry and how pineapple support needs companies and individuals and adults to support it financially.

Speaker 2 (40m 52s): Well, without I know with my clients without, without pineapple support, they would have never gotten help. And I often, you know, personally, just wonder like if, if they wouldn’t have gotten help, would they even be on this earth today? Pineapple support continues to help everyone. So they offer, like you said earlier up to six teen sessions. So if a performer is in a financial bind where they can’t afford it, they will cover the entire cost. All 16 sessions, no matter their gender, ethnicity, social status, age, sexual orientation, none of that matters to have an ever-growing team of sex worker friendly kink-aware therapists like myself to see you face-to-face or online.

They also have, I believe a 24 7 like connect to a listener online that you can click on. You can even call them, they have support groups that are free. And then once you sign up, you can even look at all of that stuff online. Or even without signing up, you can look at it online.

Speaker 1 (42m 3s): Can people request you there?

Speaker 2 (42m 6s): Yeah. Yep. There is a place that they can fill out or it’s like a request therapy. And then from there you, you can put, you know, here or there you want therapy with Dr. Monique.

Speaker 1 (42m 20s): Well, I know for a fact and talking to layer that, you know, one of the unfortunate but results of the pandemic and the current economy is, you know, support and sponsorship is down. Like I said, we continue to support it. And because we truly believe in their mission and I hope anyone and everyone listening will take that into account and go to pineapple support dot Oregon, really give very generously because the work that Dr.

Monique and the other therapists do at pineapple support is just so, so important. So, Dr. Monique, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker talk. And I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (43m 9s): Thank you again for having me.

Speaker 1 (43m 11s): It was a pleasure. My broker tip today is part three of how to buy a website. Last week, we talked about finding the right site to buy. Once you find it, what do you do once you’ve either reached the broker of the site or the seller review the information about the site. The broker should provide you with the following a profit and loss statement of at least three years. That’s up to date. If it’s June and they give you financials only through the end of the previous year, you need to see what the site is doing now, not last year, if it’s a pay site, get a username and password so that you can review the content.

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Very importantly, see if this operation can run without the owner, do they do the shooting themselves or do they hire someone to do it? And if there’s an outside producer, will that person continue to provide content for the site, find out how many new joins and rebuilds there are a day, ask them what’s the retention rate on the site and find out if they do advertising for the site and where they get their traffic ask for Google analytics access. So you can see where the traffic comes from.

This information will give you the opportunity to truly evaluate what it is you’re buying. Then if everything looks good to you and you want the site, it’s time to make an offer. Only you can decide what the site is worth to you. If you’re working with a broker such as, oh, I don’t know, adult site broker, of course your broker can help you to determine the value of the site. We’ll talk about this subject more next week. And next week, we’ll be speaking with porn actress, Seca black. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Dr. Monique. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Speaker 1 (2m 34s): Absolutely including one we’d discussed before, but we’ll get into that in a bit. Now, while Ivan was born in, Russia came to the United States in 1979 with his parents during the cold war, his travels took him and his family through Austria and Italy, where they live for months. Living above a whorehouse in Austria was a precursor to Ivan’s award-winning adult filmmaking career. His love for filmmaking grew this post high school education. As he spent five years in three colleges, including a bachelor’s degree in cinematography, upon graduating from the world, renowned Brooks Institute of photography, I’ve earned the highly prestigious president’s award.

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That industry events have gotten a mainstream attention as his outfits were in life and cosmopolitan. Ivan has over 100 AVN award nominations. He’s one web director of the year and followed that up with back-to-back wins for the same honor at the XR CEO awards, his unique style of storytelling follows original self written scripts for multi award nominated and winning series like Viking girls gone, horny card checkers, sexploitation ink motel, whole hunters, and his current inked exploitation of Misha Montana that is being re edited for a mainstream documentary release.

I mean, that’s quite a, quite a resume and all the time we have today. So thank you very much. Okay. So you were born in Russia, like my grandparents on both sides. Talk a little bit about your upbringing.

Speaker 2 (4m 51s): Oh, wow. It’s so interesting because just that culture shock of, you know, living in Russia and then coming out here in Russia, you know, it’s like first eight years of my life, I finished first grade and I actually was learning English in first grade in Russia. Second grade I started and I had to learn Ukrainian, which I hated it was to me. It was like broken Russian and I didn’t want to learn it. So it was one of those interesting things. One day when my dad comes home and he goes, we have been given the right to leave Russia.

And I was thrilled. I was thrilled because I wanted to go to America and I was thrilled. I didn’t have to learn Ukrainian anymore. So there were two reasons I was super happy and in Russia was, it was crazy because I saw color television. Only once I had a banana. Only once I remember bread lines. I do remember those was actually a thing is same with meat lines and people would fight over who’s in line. It was, it was definitely an interesting place.

You know, the funny thing is living in Russia and going to a school out there, you get that whole propaganda of like, you know, America’s evil and the American people are evil. You should be afraid of America. And then I come here and it’s reversed oppression. People are evil and the Russia’s evil. So it was this propaganda from both directions. And you’re just wondering, like, it’s just the, government’s playing people against each other. And when I was in Russia, I remember them even telling us that on the streets of America, the trees arriving real they’re plastic.

I remember this as a child and you know, coming here now, isn’t that crazy? Like, but now, you know, it was however many 40 years later, I do see lawns that have plastic grass on it. So I guess Russia kind of,

Speaker 1 (6m 41s): So I guess they weren’t completely completely off. Have you been back to visit by the way?

Speaker 2 (6m 46s): I’ve always wanted to never had the opportunity. My parents and I became citizens, I think about six or seven years ago. It was just so busy. We never became citizens. Not because we didn’t want to, just something never happened. And I would love to, We don’t have much. Yeah, thank you. It was, you know, something, it was, it was one of the highlights of my life because being at the LA convention center with it was thousands of people and everybody’s standing there with this giant American flag and everybody’s got their hand up and doing the pledge of allegiance and being sworn in and everybody’s crying.

And it was a really emotional moment because especially with United States, there are so many different cultures and so many people from all around the world that come here for that opportunity to see all these people from all parts of the world, just there together in an API that finally are going to be American citizens. It’s very impactful, you know, because it’s not just like one color, one race, one religion, it’s everybody. It was like 5,000 people in the whole place.

It was

Speaker 1 (7m 49s): A melting pot.

Speaker 2 (7m 51s): Oh my goodness. Yes, it was, yes. It was

Speaker 1 (7m 56s): Americans knock the country. And I, I do it, my share as well, trust me, but when it comes right down to it, okay. If they, if they search deep down, you know, they appreciated compared to whatever the alternative is,

Speaker 2 (8m 13s): You know, being an immigrant and seeing what my parents went through and then seeing what my, the rest of my relatives went through coming here. It bothers me when Americans who’ve never traveled outside of the United States shit on this country because in my, and I always come back with travel outside the borders besides Canada. And then you tell me where it’s better to live. I’m sorry, go ahead. Try. There’s not a seven 11 on every corner in every, in every country, most countries you’re struggling, you’re struggling for water for fresh water for everything else.

So whatever issues are here and there are plenty of issues here. It’s still land of opportunity. You know, when you see people like Birdman and little John Hort, basically billionaires ago, this country, you can become a billionaire, you know, being a mouth breather, I’m sorry. You know, you have that opportunity. So in other countries, it doesn’t matter what you do. You will never get that opportunities. Oh,

Speaker 1 (9m 10s): I’ll just, I’ll just say one thing. Cardi B

Speaker 2 (9m 14s): W one, 1000000%. Herky is probably 1000000000%. And you know, and this is why you have immigrants that will risk life, limb, families, everything, to come here because of that opportunity. And you’re not seeing people leaving this country and risking everything to go to somewhere else. They’re not because the reality is what we have here is amazing. You know, like just to watch my parents, you know, we come here, we travel for, was it four and a half, five months to get here.

And then they spend a year in night school to learn this language. Right. I, it’s hard for me to sit sometimes and listen to people bashing. I’ve actually, I had a deep conversation with a coworker last year, who she was very adamant about. You know, when Trump called, I forget which Haiti or something, he called it a shithole. And she’s all, he calls 80 a shithole. This country’s a shithole ago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, slow down, maybe as a president, he shouldn’t be saying

Speaker 1 (10m 18s): These things.

Speaker 2 (10m 20s): I’m gonna like, come on, I’ll go at the end of the day. Yeah. As a president, 100%. He shouldn’t say that, but let’s, let’s be realistic. This country is not a shithole because if you really think this country is a shithole compared to Haiti, then move to Haiti and then literally call me the next day, ask me to come asking me to come back. So yes, president should have be talking like this, but a common person on the street.

Speaker 1 (10m 42s): One does not, fortunately

Speaker 2 (10m 45s): The government doesn’t say anything. Right. I guess that’s the way it looks.

Speaker 1 (10m 48s): Yeah. He doesn’t. He certainly, he certainly doesn’t say things like that. Thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (10m 53s): Not at all. And that’s, to me, to me, it’s like, and I always tell people go before you really, really, really bash on the United States, go talk to some immigrants, go talk to some older people, you know, because, because knowledge is everything and, and life experiences are.

Speaker 1 (11m 8s): Yeah. And knowledge is everything. And there’s a lot of people in the U S who have little or none I’m afraid.

Speaker 2 (11m 16s): Right. And that’s yes. What’d you take it for granted because it’s just so easily comes to you and yeah. I mean, this country 100%, there are issues here. Yeah. But I wouldn’t change this, the place I live for anything, maybe Canada, I was in Canada once I was like, wow, everybody’s very, very polite and apologetic,

Speaker 1 (11m 37s): Lovely place. Yeah. As long as your spot and most of Canada’s really,

Speaker 2 (11m 45s): Especially, there’s some craziness going on right now. I just saw, I just saw these, these videos. I’m like, whoa. Wow. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (11m 53s): As we record this on February 2nd in the summer, when it runs, people will go. Huh? What? Okay, so, so what was your youth like with all the moving round the world on the way to the states?

Speaker 2 (12m 7s): It was, again, it is an insane culture shock because the things I remember, I remember being at the border, leaving Russia and having all this KGB agents basically steal whatever you have. So a lot of people would swallow their jewelry, hide it. We were told, bring bribe bribes for the, for the agents, whether it’s, whether it’s money or vodka, typically for Waka was really weird. But, but the stereotype is true.

I, my grandfather gave me 300 rubles, which is Russian money. And they, they took that from me. It was, it was, it was insane to see that. And then, you know, it’s like we crossed the border and all these immigrants cross the border. And then you sleep at the train station for a day until you get on the train in the morning to go to, I think it was like a chest Slovakia and then Poland, and you just kind of make your way all the way across. And then the first supermarket we ever saw was in Austria. So we walk into the supermarket and I shit, you not, it was, it was like that sound, oh, that’s literally what was going through all our heads.

We just stood there with their jaws drop. You, walk into the supermarket after leaving Russia. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13m 21s): After lines, after breadlines sure

Speaker 2 (13m 24s): I forgot her bread lines. And I remembered it. The funny thing is I actually remember the first thing that was bought for me at the store. My parents bought me a Cowboys and Indians set a little, you know, they’re like, they’re just plastic. It was just like plastic molds of Cowboys and Indians. And, and the cop was, had a little wagon. I was just still had that stuff. I still have some of the toys, but most of them were gone, but it was, it was amazing just because, yeah, just the difference in, in, in, in culture and everything that’s available to you just right there, tip of your fingers.

And then we lived in this brick building for a month and a half in Austria and on the top floor. And I was just, you know, cute little Russian kid with big cheeks. And so we would walk down to go to the store or leave or whatever. And there were always be women in there. And they were always like dressed in bikinis or whatever else. And they would always like pinch my cheeks and I would see their posters outside in the outside of the building. I always wondered like, what is going on here? Like yeah. You know, I have a child, I dunno, Russian child at that later in life, my parents tell me we lived above a whorehouse and I’m like, wow, that’s interesting.

How

Speaker 1 (14m 31s): Old were you? How old were you when they told you this?

Speaker 2 (14m 33s): Oh, gosh, I had to be like in my twenties because I don’t think they did because my past is still like very, you know, like old, old school Russian. So of course they didn’t want to share stuff like that. But then I think I might’ve asked them one day. It was like, what was that building? And I was just like above a whorehouse or, you know, red light district. And I’m like, wow, okay. That sense. I’ve lived in a whorehouse and I work at the whorehouse basically. And then we lived in Italy for three months. I got to see Rome. And as a child, you really don’t appreciate it.

You know, obviously because you’re a child. The only thing I knew about Rome was I saw Sparta was partly because yeah, Spartacus in Russia in the theater. So I had a little bit of like, you know, knowledge of, of, of what that was all about, but I wish I would go back there as an adult just to appreciate the massive beauty of the architecture and everything else.

Speaker 1 (15m 26s): Italy’s fricking awesome. We spent some time up in the wine country and the north places, just so we want to go, we wanted to go back last year, but you know what happened? So what can I, what can I say?

Speaker 2 (15m 40s): And it was there for three months. And the funny thing is, as a child, my parents would eat pizza. And as a child, I didn’t know what it was. I thought it was like raw meat. I wouldn’t touch pizza until I was in the United States that I bit into one. And you know, and then again, it was like, <inaudible> On my life, you know? But yeah, the funny thing is like us living in the whorehouse when I was eight and a half, when I was 14, I was in Playboy magazine and actually have the issue.

Our, our friend’s mom, she was an editor or something of Playboy. And they needed for kids to play basketball with one of the Playboy playmates. I think her name was Kathy Smith or something like that. And they took pictures of us playing basketball with her because in the article, it was about how she goes to the local rec center to play basketball with the kids. And then the next picture is like her at the studio recording her music and things like that, which was all bullshit. But we got paid 25 bucks for three hours to basically go through puberty.

It was in 1984. We were all like 13 or 14 years old

Speaker 1 (16m 48s): And amazing.

Speaker 2 (16m 48s): Yeah. You know, it’s like, you get to hang out and play basketball to play with playmate. And every time she bent down and she was wearing a tank top, oh, I’ll tell you what, man. You know, it’s just like, just as a child, especially back then, you know, this is before internet, before you had magazines that you could like steal from your parents to look at porn. This was like, literally like, oh my God, I’m going through puberty right now. And my pants were all wet. You know, it was

Speaker 1 (17m 11s): Fucking

Speaker 2 (17m 13s): Insane. You know,

Speaker 1 (17m 14s): I had to be completely insane

Speaker 2 (17m 18s): Spec material for weeks.

Speaker 1 (17m 23s): So talk about the culture shock when you got to the us.

Speaker 2 (17m 28s): Oh my goodness. That was the hardest part about coming in 1979 to the United States was the cold war because you’re Russian and you barely know the language and kids pick on you, you know, <inaudible>

Speaker 1 (17m 46s): Me and I was an American, so

Speaker 2 (17m 48s): Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, cooling’s been, yeah, exactly. And then the beauty of it was, was like learning all these amazing things, you know, in Russia, we had only two channels. We only had cartoons, I think on weekends here. Oh my God, I Tom. And Jerry all day. Oh my gosh, Tom and Jerry. I remember, I remember everything I watched. I watched Tom and Jerry then chips that emergency Five-O. That was my daily routine without, with one or two hot dogs and a tomato for some reason, rather than catch up.

But just to go through, gosh, the D th the, the vastest what America is and resources that we had. We never had an RO card in Russia. We come here, my, you know, my dad gets a car, so now we’re in the car, things like that. So

Speaker 1 (18m 39s): Cool. After being in Russia.

Speaker 2 (18m 41s): Oh my gosh. You know, and, and, and just all the channels, I mean, even back then, there was only like what, like channel two to four, there’s only maybe like seven or eight channels, because there was no cable back then that was still for more than two channels. Yeah. And cartoons all day, that was in Russia. We had only one cartoon and it was called <inaudible> and it was, it was a Wolf that was smoking and wearing an Adidas, of course, Adidas jumpsuit. And, and his whole point is to catch this rabbit, like basically like a Wiley Roadrunner, Wiley coyote, very like politically incorrect.

You know, the, the Wolf is aren’t going to smoking a cigarette, you know, the whole time. And, and, and the, you know, and, and then dresses as a, as a, he’s basically like a cross-dresser and it’s, I’m just trying and try to get to, to the travel areas, but it’s Russia, you know, and especially back then, so being here and going to school, the good part about United States is that when you come to this country, you get, especially in LA, you go, you stay at a class called ESL, which is English as a second language.

So now you’re in a class with a bunch of kids from other countries and some kids from your country. And each teacher has an assistant that speaks your language, which was really nice. But the funniest thing is, so first day of class, I’m sitting there and the teacher’s doing roll call. And she says, she says my full Russian name that I didn’t even realize that was my full name. She says, she says, Vyacheslav, and I’m sitting there, everybody’s sitting around. I’m not answering because I, my real, I know my name is Slava.

I’ve been as my director name. And, and then she says my last name, and everybody laughs at my name. Now I’m mortified. I’m this Russian kid, little kid, nine years old, whatever. I was nine years old, I went home and cried. I yelled at my parents were calling me. Vyacheslav what kind of name is that? You know, I’m already called Spiderman because our last name is cider man. So, so we’re getting that now, VHS laugh. And then, you know, years later, when the word biatch comes around, I became Biatchi slob.

You know? So, you know, it was just a lot of Spider-Man ha You know, years later, when you grow up, you’re like, that’s a fucking cool name, because that’s different than John Smith. That was Steve or whatever, you know, this is it’s

Speaker 1 (20m 60s): Different than when you put at the time. It didn’t seem too cool. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (21m 3s): No, not at all. You know, it’s like, even when I got in porn, I, I didn’t want to use my real name. And then years later I’m like, God, dang it. I should’ve just used my real name and it would have been way cooler, but

Speaker 1 (21m 15s): That’s funny. So talk about, so you, when you were living above a whorehouse as a kid, you had no idea it was a whorehouse.

Speaker 2 (21m 24s): Nah, I just know. I just saw a lot of pretty girls, at least, I assume they’re pretty, you know, it was a child I’m sure. In bikini, it’s more like scantily clad women just walking around with, you know, I didn’t see anybody naked as far as I remember. I don’t think anybody would, but, but I did, but there were, yeah, there were half naked. They were just little bikinis or lingerie, whatever else. Sure. No idea. But I couldn’t get down those stairs without somebody pinching my cheeks or giving me a hug like that. I remember.

Speaker 1 (21m 53s): Sure, sure. Absolutely. And you never asked your folks then what? All that was? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21m 58s): Oh no. I was just deer in headlights, child and headlights.

Speaker 1 (22m 1s): That’s hilarious.

Speaker 2 (22m 2s): Literally headlights.

Speaker 1 (22m 4s): Yeah. That’s that’s that’s fricking hilarious. So, oh, I know we were talking before the podcast about a mutual friend, Nick Manning. You had a good story about,

Speaker 2 (22m 17s): Yeah. I love Nick manic, Nick cave, vetting. When he had his long hair, he used to call himself cave Manning. I love Nick. So one day we’re shooting. So, so Nick is notorious for breaking furniture and he’s prides himself on breaking friendship, which is like crazy to me because you know, his shoot, his house was a shoot house and it was literally like, it would, his furniture would be gone like we, so we go to shoot to shoot at his house one day, I’m going to buy his backyard. And his backyard is just filled with broken furniture, chairs, little wooden tables, things like that.

So we’re shooting the scene with him and he’s got this girl on the table and he’s kind of like, it’s not an open over, but, but he’s like on his tippy-toes. So, so, so he’s, I think she was maybe in doggy. So I get underneath him to get there underneath shot. And it was like a really cool shot. So I’m shooting and I feel something rubbing a top of my head and I’m just like, cause I had my hat off. I always wear my hat, but I have my hat off. And I’m just like, what is that? Right. I think you

Speaker 1 (23m 20s): Should’ve worn your hat

Speaker 2 (23m 22s): 100%. Yeah. A body condom. So, so, so I’m like, what is that? But I can’t see because I’m like looking at the shot and I look over at the, at my friend who was producing the scene and he is holding his mouth shut. Cause he keeping from laughing. I’m just like, what is happening here? Right. And then when we were done, I’m like, what, what, what was, what was that? And he’s like, that was Nick’s Nick’s saggy balls were like, like rubbing on your, on your head the whole time. I’m like, oh man, seriously by then, what are you going to do?

Right. It’s just, it’s just part of the job.

Speaker 1 (23m 58s): That’s really fucked up. That’s really, that’s really fucking funny.

Speaker 2 (24m 2s): Yes. But with Nick, every scene with Nick was something interesting. One day we pulled up to his house and he was lived on top of this hill, had this house on top of the hill, in the valley and he’s standing there butt naked, butt naked, just looking at the sun, like no sunglasses staring at the sun. And I walk up to him like, Nick, what are you doing? And he goes, I’m staring at the sun with my third eye. I go, excuse me, what? And he goes, yeah, I’m staring at the sun with my third eye.

And then he goes and tells me this whole story about third eyes and spirituality and everything else. And, and I’m like, wow. Okay. Well then I just went back to like, you know, setting up my shots and everything else. And with Nick, it was always like, you know, like with Nick was funny because with Nick you’d get like during the scene, he would say the weirdest shit, right? Like the weirdest, dumbest shit,

Speaker 1 (24m 53s): Suck

Speaker 2 (24m 54s): My Dick. You dirty cut you dirty. Or like, like he was so into it. Cause he was Nick cave Manning. And then the scenes over his Wilco’s hose, that everything good, you know? And then he starts quoting the basketball and you’re like, you just called her dirty whore. And now you’re according to the Bible, like five minutes later. Okay. No problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25m 12s): And then whatever that, and whatever that saying was, would end up on a t-shirt.

Speaker 2 (25m 16s): Yes. You know, cause he had, he had dropping loads of copywritten. That was trademark. That was his, and it was a hot tub time machine actually used it. And he sued them in one as far as I remember,

Speaker 1 (25m 29s): Because

Speaker 2 (25m 29s): They used that in the movie and cause he, at one point my company Poobah that I call him with two other guys. We were doing his website and I remember that happening. And I think he actually got a Jaguar out of it. As far as I remember, I could be wrong. But I remember that was, that was the story. He either got a Jaguar, some, some sort of car, but he always came on set with a robe that said Manning, which was the best part. Like he pulled up in his JAG, convertible JAG in the robe and he gets out and he’s like Rick flair, walking on, set with Manning on this road.

Speaker 1 (26m 1s): I’m reading, I’m reading the reading, dropping loads now. And I’m about three quarters through it. And if you haven’t read it, oh you need to lift it so you don’t need to read it. You’ve lived it. So it’s all in there.

Speaker 2 (26m 16s): She just got a text from him like a few weeks ago. Every time he changes his number, he just texted me Nick manicure.

Speaker 1 (26m 22s): I’m like,

Speaker 2 (26m 23s): Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (26m 25s): I love it. Now I got, I got two numbers for him, so,

Speaker 2 (26m 29s): Oh, I got a one quick, funny story about him. So we were shooting, I was shooting a serious call, hit me with your best squirt. So you drop

Speaker 1 (26m 37s): For a seat.

Speaker 2 (26m 38s): Oh, hit me with your Beth’s best squirt, like hit me with your best shot, but hit me with your best squared. We actually had Tom. It was Tom by and pictures. Tom brown actually brought a whole song that was like, hit me with your best shot. But it was sent me with your best squirt. And it was Nick Manning and this girl and you know, you’re booking girls that squirt. So, and they’re supposed to score. And if you get fake, it drink a lot of water and fake it. Let’s just get through this. So this girl tells us I can squirt. Okay. So we’re shooting in the most uncomfortable spot in this tiny bathroom in LA AC is off.

It’s 120 degrees inside. And she’s like on the Le on the edge of this bathtub and, and Nick is just pounding, just trying to get her to squirt and he’s drenched. I’m drenched, she’s drenched. And then I stopped seeing scene go, Hey, can you squirt, can you, she goes, well, only if he fucks me, right? <inaudible> no, no, no, no. This is not like called. Oh maybe if I squirt website or I mean DVD, this has hit me with your best squirt I go, can you go drink some water and just fake it?

Just piss please. Okay. So I go to Nick because Nick doesn’t take, hit me with a, you know, I’m dropping loads as a serious thing, then he thinks it’s funny. Right? So I asked him to go, okay, what if this girl, when she’s about to squirt, she says, hit me. You go, you say to her, hit me with your best squirt. And she says, dropping squirts, dropping squirts. So we get to that point and she didn’t drink enough water. I’ll just leave it at that. And so we’re shooting and I’m like, okay, okay.

She’s when Susan, she says dropping squirts, she’s going to go. And she yells a drop-in squirts. And the smell in that bathroom was that an outhouse at like a, at a baseball game. You know, it was horrendous. I was like, this room is now covered in sweat covered in piss. And it smells like sweat and piss mixed together. It was <inaudible>. So she dropped not squirts on us. She dropped piss on us all over us.

Speaker 1 (28m 42s): Ah, yes, nobody, nobody said it was a sanitary business. So how did you end up getting in the, getting into the adult industry in the first place?

Speaker 2 (28m 51s): It’s interesting because I went to three, three film schools and I got a bachelor’s degree in cinematography. I was working on the TV show called the X show as a video utility guy, basically holding the camera guys cable. And I was a big wrestling fan and there was a wrestling, a local wrestling show called XBW. They were doing their king of the death match tournament. I didn’t know what that was. I’ve never been to a death match. The only thing I knew about death matches a celebrity death match on MTV. So I take my 15 year old brother to this thing.

And what we saw was basically murdered without somebody dying. I it’s Wrestling, death matches are brutal. It’s, you know, these barbwire glass thumbtacks, whatever they can on each other. It’s still wrestling. That’s predetermined, who’s going to win. But everything from the beginning to who’s going to win all hell breaks loose, and it’s a tournament. So it’s eight guys and it’s like a round Robin, you know? And like, and then eventually I’m one winner. So I’ll go back to the TV show. And one of the hosts was a wrestling fan.

So I tell them all about it. And it’ll take me to the next one to the next show. So I take them to the next show and we get to go backstage. At least he does. And he meets the general manager of this wrestling company and the owner who was Rob black. And Rob black is a pornographer who used to do, I used to have a website called a company called extreme associates. So you on both, both but on XBW, which is extreme pro wrestling and extreme associates, which was the porn company. So they eventually Rob and, and his wife at the time, Lizzie Borden would come on the TV show and do little segments.

So I became somewhat friendly with them, same with my brother. So my brother started doing their, their website, their, their wrestling website. And I would shoot like a little ringside sta ringside stuff for them here and there just like more creative. I wasn’t the main camera guy. I just shooting like creative angles that they would cut music videos with. And when brother turned 18, he started working for them, doing the adult stuff, doing editing for the adult stuff. Then I came on board, he showed them my real, my mainstream real.

And they brought me in to shoot behind the scenes for evolution erotica, which was basically, it was, it was the sister company. There were basically one company, just two different names. Tom Byron owned evolution, Radhika, Rob black called extreme associates. And I brought, was brought into she’d be on the scenes. And I shot super cool behind the scenes where I did more of like MTV style. I did like little, little animated graphics and cutouts of the girls and flying around and things like that down to the reviewers of the movies, we’re doing a separate section to review my behind the scenes and it would get special different ratings for him because I was all into it.

Like I was a filmmaker. I had a bachelor’s degree in cinematography. I, I, you know, I, I want to be a filmmaker. So now this was my opportunity to be super creative and do some really weird fun stuff. And with extreme associates, you know, to me, that was creatively, the best job I’ve ever had because black bisque has said, do whatever you want, write three rules. And those three rules I stuck with and, and two of them were obscene. And one of them was, don’t make fun of Jews because they own the industry. And I’m like, I got it. I understand.

I do. I agree with them

Speaker 3 (32m 16s): Alone.

Speaker 2 (32m 18s): You know? So, so I was like, whatever, like, I’m fine with whatever, you know? And so he gave me, him and Tom Barton gave me my first opportunity and I was just, just a PA. And we had a scene sky. And one day I was on set with a guy that just came back to directing porn. And let me tell you the, he didn’t know what he was doing. And I was so upset watching him direct in what he did in a whole horrible. He was a nice guy, amazingly nice guy. But the quality of his work was atrocious.

So I was driving home one day after said, and I called the general manager, Kevin and I, I told him, I go, you know, I’ll shoot circles around people like him. I’m sorry. I know how to light. I know how to white balance a camera. I know how to hold a steady shot. I know how to tell a story with lighting camera angles and everything else. So one day, you know, sometimes it’s one of those things where when you finally put on the spot, you freak out and this is what happened with me. One day, I get a call from Kevin and he goes, Tommy sick today.

You’re going to shoot the scene. And I panicked. I’m like, oh my God. Oh my God. And we got it. How do you do that? Because you know, when you’re new to this, especially back then when, when it wasn’t like now everybody and their mother shoots porn on their cell phone and everything’s fine. Back then, it’s a legit production with real location. I had a photographer with me, a talent that was getting paid really good money. And on the way to set I’m like maybe I should drive my car into a tree. So we don’t have to do the shoot. So this way I’m going to, excuse me, I’m not going to go shoot.

I’m just, I was so paranoid. And so, and freaking out, luckily we went to set and both performers I’ve worked with before and they saw how nervous I was and there they go. We got you, man, whatever you need, we got you. And it turned out great. I’ve never seen a girl, a stuffer pussy with patties before. And this girl did it during the tease. And I was like, whoa. I was like, I wasn’t shocked what, what is going on here? And if they’re not great. And then, and then it just kind of snowballed from there where they, they started watching my stuff in the, in, I shot probably about a dozen bonus scenes for DVDs because this is what pornography was making real money.

So you would have a DVD or back then VHS as well. And you would have five, five, see five or six scenes on the, on the VHS. But then for the DVD you have a bonus scene. Literally companies would spend $4,000. If not more to shoot a bonus scene for the DVD. Now these are full budgets for movies back then. Yeah. Here’s four grand, go shoot a bonus scene. So I shot about 10 to 12 bonus scenes for DVDs and they loved what I was doing. And they were like, just go do whatever the hell you want.

So I started shooting really unique stuff. I did Texas asshole massacre that put me on the map. As a director, I got offers from wicked pictures to direct to them. Very, very loyal who I worked for. And I turned them down because I don’t care if I, to me, I am so about the art of it. That money is, yeah, you have to pay your bills, but money’s never been the reason for me to take a job. It’s always been about the creative process and people I work with.

And I, you know, I’ll be honest with you sitting in the conference room, filled with AVN trophies and posters and amazing box covers and being told your movie won’t beat ours. Even yours is better because our budgets a hundred grand or whatever it was. And yours was $8,000 and sorry, but you won’t win. If you want to start winning awards, you got to come here and you know what, that didn’t inspire me to want to go work for them. I was like, fuck you. I don’t want to work for you. Are you kidding me?

Like, I don’t care about the fucking awards. I care about my creative outlet. I care about the people I work with. Yeah. Working for extreme associates. Sometimes you’re like, oh my goodness. Okay. Another day like this, but creatively. And the people I work with, I, I loved, loved that job. And Texas last semester, did you know? It put me on the map is like avian called me the horror poor Maestro. They also said my movies were, my editing was MTV style. And I’m like, this is cool. This is like, yeah, 18, 19 years ago.

And to me, that meant a lot because I’m shooting a no budget. I’m not shooting huge name talent. And we have all these pitfalls of like, you know, like extreme associates had a really bum rap. You know, they really did in the sense where like everybody in their mother thought that we were, you know, molesting people on set, which never happened. It was everybody that came to set. We shot. Yeah. We shot rougher stuff, energetic stuff. But everyone that came in, we were like, here’s what we shoot. We would put the VHS tape in and we’ll show it to them.

Do you want to shoot this? Are you comfortable shooting this? If they said, yes, cool. Let’s go. And then you could stop anytime, especially with my productions. And if you’re not happy, you can leave. Like that’s, you know, so, and I, and I loved working there. I, I worked with Marg. Zane was one of the directors and performance there. Chris justice was there. Lizzie border’s director, Rob black was direct and Tom pirate. It was like a family of people that were the stepchildren of the industry. Rightfully so for some, some of the things they did before I got there, you know, like throwing, I suppose, I guess it through like a smoke bomb in AB offices or something like that.

Somebody told me I wasn’t there for that. But, and then we had Jean Ross would come to set all the time and do onset pieces for adult FYI. It was like, it w it literally was a family. It was a gross family in many ways, because, you know, there was just so much that was, you know, like, depending on what room, you know, you walk in this room, oh, there’s a prolapse asshole. Oh, you walk in this room. There’s like boogers on the door. You know, you walk in this room and there’s something else going on, but it was wonderful. You know, like, yeah, you, we’re not, none of us were getting rich. And this was when Rob was fighting as obscenity charges, you know?

So there was a lot going on. And then we had coffee, Ron that came in and he shot haul some of the stuff he was shooting. We were like, okay, this is like insanity. But he was such a nice guy. He was always like, it was almost like too nice for the girls. We were like, dude, you shooting really rough shit. And you’re being way too. Like, you know, which is good, which is great. But yeah, it was one of those things where like, and that’s why I think we got a bum rap because when people saw was being shot and what, and Rob, you know, Rob is big mouth, you know, like Rob was like, fuck you and everything else running around middle fingers in the air.

And I learned a lot from him. I learned a lot of good and I learned a lot of bad. And, and I learned a lot from Tom Byron, who one day him and I sat on set and, and I asked him to go hotter, DVD sales work, or movies, sales work. And he broke it down for me. And he straight up said, he goes, look, what you do is with every movie, you make sure that the customer, when he rents the movie, he wants to keep it. So he’ll keep it. He’ll pay the P pay the store a little extra to hold onto it. Now the store has to reorder it or better yet.

What if that person goes to the store and loves the box, cover loves what’s on the back or loves the director, the growth in it buys it instantly. Now rebuild. Now you have to, now we have to restart. So they buy more product. So this is how you sell your product. So when w when Tom Byron told me this in my head, it sparked like every movie I need to do, I need to do something outside the box. And that’s what I started doing. I did a series called euthanasia where all the Asian girls were like, even though euthanasia means killing animals, ours was different.

When they told me you’re going to do a series with Asian girls. And I’m like, cool. They’re like, this is gonna be called euthanasia. I’m like, wait, what? Killing these girls are. W I’m just confused. What’s happening here? No, no, no. They’re younger girls, but they’re Asian girls. So I’m like, cool. I got it. So I started putting like really insane, like anime style makeup on them. And the first one I did, I did this game on a DVD called guests. The cameltoe. I took pictures of all the grilled camel toes. And there was like a game as a bonus. Where if you guess all the camel toes, you get a bonus scene. You know, like things like that, where I thought was super unique.

For instance, like Texas asshole massacre, the reason it got so big was because the movie, Texas chainsaw massacre, the final scene is where Leatherface chases this Grove with, with a chain saw through the woods. And then she jumps in the car and in this truck and takes off. And he does this dance with a, it was called the, like the chainsaw dance, where he’s like, waving it around. He’s like screaming. So at the end of Texas asshole massacre, I did the same thing. I had my ex Cammy Andrews with a three-foot dildo, chasing JIA Poloma through the woods.

We, we rented this location, like told backwards redneck place. We shut all this, like the chasing, the full chasing through these words, I, we actually broke one of the cameras cause they had one of these tiny little cameras that had a mini DV tape in there. And we had G holding it in front of her face as she was running. And all the shock from running broke the counter, but the tape looks amazing. So I did this scene. And then in fact, I made Cammie watch the insane of Texas chainsaw massacre, the chasing and the whole dance.

So she could recreate it with instead of a chainsaw, big three dildo. So we do this in chasing. And to me, I’m like, this is, this is it. This is, this is my masterpiece. You know? And, and the coolest thing was years later, I run into Sage Stallone at a film festival here in Hollywood service, Sloan son. And he comes up to me and he goes, you’re driving, right? I go, yup. And he goes, I fucking love Texas hassle massacre. In fact, I own it. And I’m going to stop what services don’t son owns my movie.

And then there’s a girl named I there’s two girls in the industry who are fans of the sport. You want owns it on VHS. And the other one did a college thesis on Texas Astro masculine and your college

Speaker 1 (42m 28s): Funny.

Speaker 2 (42m 29s): So this movie like, Yes, isn’t that crazy. And then some big YouTuber, a few years back headed on this top 10 craziest and funniest, like porn titles. So it’s got legs of its own. We’re trying with my fiance. Meesha, we’re trying to figure out how to get rights to it. So we could do part two and have her as the lead as, as the daughter of my ex Cammie, because it was 20 years ago and it would make it almost like, you know, it would line up time-wise.

So we’re trying to figure out how to do Texas hassle massacre too. And that, that would be like, my they’re not going to retire or a meteor could land on my head and I’ll be completely fine. Life’s done. I’m happy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43m 13s): That’s amazing. So, so how did you get into the production of horror films?

Speaker 2 (43m 19s): When I was going to film school, my one of my first classes, one of my classmates, her boyfriend at the time was doing a horror film called the crier. And one of our instructors at the school was the director of it. So I, I was just a crew guy. I was brand new to, to, to film school. I was brand new to filmmaking and, but I loved it. I was one of those people that ran around with a cable and his shoulder, his escape was called bandit in the 75 pounds.

Each I would throw one of these shoulder and, and run around with it, you know, like setting it up and stuff like that. So I became really good friends with the producer. His name is John. And then I wound up doing one of my, one of my school projects was the effects artists on this movie, the crier whose guy Simon, we wanted to do a short piece on him for one of our classes where he does a whole step of, of sculpting a mask and then molding a face scoping mask and going through the whole process of it.

So we all became like buddies, the guy that was the, the play that eventually the witch who was the mold made out of his face. He, he, this guy, Jason, we all became like really tight. Those three guys. They grew up together in competence area. And they were doing horror movies as kids and editing them on VCR to VCR, huge, insane horror fans. So they got me hooked on horror movies. I wasn’t ready for that. I loved, you know, like nightmare on Elm street, a hell raiser, the Friday, the 13th, I was a huge hell raiser fan.

And they started showing me some really weird shit, like, like Asian horror. That’s like insane to this day. It’s insane from even from back then. And, and then we started doing horror movies. We did a movie called Y2K shutdown, detected, took us almost two and a half years. I was the co-director and cinematographer on there. It was on 16 millimeter film. And the movie was about the computer shutdown of Y2K. Cause remember when everybody’s like, oh my God, the clocks are going to turn over. It’s going to

Speaker 1 (45m 27s): Party. I remember that

Speaker 2 (45m 31s): Actually with our movies called Y2K, shut down detected, and it was a zombie movie. So we, it took us almost two and a half years to finish this movie. We finished that December 27th, 1999 on this damn movie, you know, and this movie, it exploded because back then this you’re talking about year 2000. This was before social media before really internet before really like you put stuff on DVD. I I’m very much about promotion. So what I did was I designed the box cover cause I do everything myself.

I light, I shoot, I do graphics, whatever else. So I designed the box cover for the movie. I made 50 copies of the movie and started sending it out to every magazine I could possibly send it to. Right. And then this is my pride and joy of my indie horror career. We wait, we had a booth at Fenn, Gloria magazines. We can have horrors. And I had all these envelopes that I had with, with a movie inside a little background about the movie and the filmmakers. It was myself, John and Trent. We were the three filmmakers on it and I would give it out to two big name actors or, or directors.

And I ended up giving a copy to John Landis who directed my favorite movie, ever American world from London. I, I love this, this, this, that, that, that right there to me is like the staple of what horror, horror movies and werewolf movies are and gave him a copy of this movie. And it’s just in the envelope thinking nothing of it about, I dunno, a few weeks later, I get an envelope back from him when he returned the movie with a, with a handwritten letter that says, thank you so much for letting us watch a movie.

We really, my, my business partner, I enjoyed it. So I’m like, oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. So I sent him a letter back to this address and I asked for a quote for the, for our poster, for our box cover, whatever else. And I dunno, a few weeks after that, I get this of Alfred Hitchcock. And on the back it says in quotes, Y2K, and zombies, what could be better, Sean Landis? It was, I was like, I got goosebumps just thinking about this because it was so amazing that this man who’s a legendary director will take the time to watch the movie and then take the time to get a postcard hand, sign it and send it back to us.

So I still have it framed on my mantle here at the house. And then a few years later when American werewolf in London was coming on its 30 year anniversary, I think it was, he was at that. There’s a theater out here called the Grindhouse theater with now Quintin Tarantino owns and the show old films. So back then, John Landis was coming in to show a 35 millimeter print of American wealth in London. And I brought the postcard with me. So he stuck around and did a Q and a and I came up to him afterwards.

I give them, I hand them the postcard. He looks at it and flips it over. And he remembers me will remember the movie. And he goes, oh, I remember this movie. And he signed the, signed the postcard again and says John Landis again. And yeah, I have the postcard. It’s my pride and joy of filmmaking. And, and the movie eventually we sold it and it’s on DVD or it how small the world is the movie. The crier that I worked on when I first met John, when my first semester in film school, it, there was a low budget horror company called EDI cinema or alternative cinema.

They would release like low budget, horror movies. They released the crier, they changed the name to the demons. They leased a crier on DVD and they put our white shut detected movie as a bonus movie. So it was like this it’s. It was, it was amazing because again, I still have, you know, I have the DVD, it was the coolest thing that’s ever happened to us. We made in our two and a half years to put this movie together and shooting it on film and all the money we spent, they give us $250 that we were like, yes, we’re going to go to dinner and have a helmet.

Speaker 1 (49m 33s): There you go. There you go. Get a steak. You get a steak out of that one.

Speaker 2 (49m 38s): Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (49m 40s): What do you still want to do in this business that you haven’t done already?

Speaker 2 (49m 45s): Gosh, you know, to me, it’s so important to make sure that people in this industry are treated right. I’ve always been known as the guy who, and people always say that Ivan, doesn’t try to fuck the girls. And he doesn’t try to fuck the girls out of money. I’ve literally been with in 20 years, three girls in the industry, one and one I dated for 18 months, which was Cammy. My ex one was like, okay, you’re pursuing me way too much. And I’m still a guy and you know, whatever. And, and now my fiance, Misha, Montana is basically it. You know?

So to me, it’s always been about doing the right thing, making sure that women and men are treated with that plus respect on set because I always looked at it like this. If you treat someone with respect on set, especially doing these vulnerable things, because sex is still a vulnerable thing. It’s people opening themselves up for your camera. You know, literally they’re opening up for your camera. If you are polite, if you treat them with respect, they’ll give you so much more. I used to shoot first-timers when I was at anabolic, I shot a lot of first timers and a lot of girls would later come back to me and they’ll go, the, you spoiled me on your set because you were so nice and respectful and had me do only while I was comfortable doing a lot of girls gave me the first Dakota Brooks years ago, everything that she ever shot first, she did for me and I wasn’t paying her the best rate for it, but she trusted me and she appreciated that I was kind to her.

So to me, that’s important. And right now our pet project really is we did this movie called exploitation of Misha Montana, which is my fiance. It started off literally as we’re going to do a scene with her, which was she got, you know, the, the movies aliens with Sigourney Weaver. So the face hugger, the one that sits on the, on the people’s faces and impregnates her face with, with an alien, she had that tattooed on her pussy and we’ve recorded this for Alta robotic.

It was a five-hour session. It was in 2021. The pandemic was 2020. Was it 2021? When a pandemic was at its highest and alter robotic, I mean, an AVN didn’t have an award show. So what we did was we created our own AVN awards, red carpet. We invited a bunch of people. We had beautiful. We got the most amazing, honestly, better pictures than any avian red carpet. I’ll just tell you that because I got delighted. We got to shoot some really cool shit. And then we had a red carpet that led to a tattoo table that she laid on for five hours and got this alien tattooed on her pussy.

She cried through half of it. And then she did a blow bang that was nominated for best blow bank. So few weeks after that, she caught COVID and was bedridden for a month. Then she went to got vaccinated and had a stroke. Oh no, we got all of this, all this recorded. We have all this footage. I went to the next day after she was on the phone with me for two hours while she had a stroke driving down a mountain to the hospital. And so we have, because it will occur. And I, we had shared so much, we would record everything just for the hell of it, just for like a YouTube channel, whatever else.

Sure. And it just wound up where all these pieces started falling into this crazy, crazy pattern where she has a stroke. I go out there the next day. I gave her one of the most God priceless things that I have in Russia, when you are born to give you this, it’s like a metal or a coin. It’s like a Bitcoin has got Lennon on one side. And on the other side, they engrave your name. Well, I had this thing and I brought it to the hospital with her.

Wow. And I recorded the whole thing. The funny thing is we have her and I have this joke that my hallway pass. My hall pass is Brad Pitt because I fucking love Brad Pitt. This is what she would say. That’s where a hall pass. So I ha I got the helmet from Troy that he wore. It’s like, I have, it’s not like the metal one. It was like a softer material. But I put that on. I had flowers on my record, the whole thing, me walking through the hospital in this dress, like Brad Pitt from Troy to lighten up her mood.

And so I come in there and I’m recording and I give her this coin, everything, everything is recorded and everything goes on her DVD because two weeks after her stroke, first of all, four days later, I do this emotional interview with her, where half her face is frozen and she’s telling her story. And then a week and a half later, she comes to LA with a heart monitor attached to her chest and shoots this most elaborate scene I’ve ever shot. And it was nominated for best play gross CNET XPS.

Then we shot like two days later, did she had a heart surgery? We got all that on tape. She’s doing much better. She still has at night. And when she’s tired, she forgets things because brain damage from the stroke, her right hand loses strength sometimes. So physically, if you look at it, you’re like, oh, she’s fine. But there’s so much depression issues. A lot of things that still worried about possibly having another stroke, just going through the process of just remembering what she went through, you know, and, and she’s got a son who’s got cerebral palsy.

So she’s got a lot on her plate. She’s five years old and you know, so she’s take care of him. And then she’s got her family that she’s taking care of her mom or dad, her brother. So she’s got a lot on her plate. And, and we put this movie together, you know, she went and got her nipples tattooed. She got hearts that made out of barbed wire, tattooed on her nipples. And while doing a scene, then she got her tail tattooed for the alien pussy. She got her tail tattooed. It goes through like per butt crack, but upper butthole around her leg, all this stuff.

We have these, this amazing footage that we put together and wrapped around all this personal, emotional stuff. And we made this DVD that was nominated for best showcase at flesh bot awards ex-business and PBN. And honestly, I’m disappointed that neither exposor IBN gave her the best showcase, because if we’re going to talk about showcasing a human being and porn star, this is what this is about because my opinion, every year, there’s a showcase or every other showcase that what is, what’s the common denominator it’s fucking on a high budget.

That’s what that is. You have a big name, girl, you get big name, male talent, or big name, other female talent, great location. How has that standing out from any other big name, a big budget showcase. It does not. This, this is human piece. And to me, that was the part that was like, it was disappointing, was like, what? But I’ve warned her. I said, look, I had over a hundred dominations before I won my first thing. Dominations mean way more than awards because you get nominations and merit of your work, the other stuff, it is what it is.

And

Speaker 1 (56m 42s): It’s very political and you, and you can’t take it personally.

Speaker 2 (56m 45s): Yeah. And that’s exactly it. And she’s so new. She’s only been for a year. So she’s just learning this. This is my 20th year. I’m like app. Then when on average, it’s fine. But what we were doing is we’ve been putting together this mainstream documentary for it. We have a sizzle reel that we cut that’s on Vimeo. That’s, that’s not for public consumption. It’s a private thing that we send it to people with passwords. Okay. I’ll, I’ll send it to you. Yes, for sure. Cause it’s got her son in there and she opened up, you know, like what, when I was editing her movie, the adult movie, she called me and she goes, I want to, because when, when I interviewed her four days after a stroke, we did a whole interview about her.

And then I said to her go, you know, we probably should talk about your son. We will not use it, but I want you to talk about what you were thinking when this is happening. And tell me about your son, because this is stuff that we might want to use later for something or other minus we’ll record it. And later regret, not regret, not shooting this. So we did it. And then she called me one day and she goes, I really, my mission is to humanize the industry. And I want to use the part of the interview where I talk about my son.

Cause nobody knew she had a son. Everybody just thinks that she’s out there doing her thing. And that’s how the movie starts. That the portal, it doesn’t tell that obviously there’s no images of him. It’s only about she’s talking about her struggles as a mom with a son was five years old with cerebral palsy. And now this and was she’s, you know, in the interview, she talks about how all she thought about is like, I need to go home. If I’m going to die, I want to die at home with him. I need to see my son.

And it’s emotional because as a parent, that’s that’s heart wrenching and heartbreaking. So, so with us, we’re like, well, let’s put this documentary together. So we started showing the sizzle reel to people and everybody’s just like, you guys need to cut a mainstream movie or this and you need to send it to film festivals. You need to send it to anyone who would watch this. So that’s because there’s a lot of stuff on there. That’s super weird. We propose, we would propose to each other in the funniest ways, in the weirdest ways we have it all recorded.

We D we do really because she’s very nerdy, very more nerdier than I am. I am B I have like thousands of action figures. I literally, my house looks like 40 year old version from the movie 40 year old Virgin. That’s literally my house. When we went to see the movie with my friends, my friends are looking at him like, fuck you guys. I’m not a 40 year old Virgin. Fuck you guys. But yes, my house does look like that. And you know, like with her, when we first started talking, it was literally an email. She emailed us about work. And I reached out to her and we started talking.

We spent five hours talking about like, I’ll showing off, who owns what? She wants a huge sort collection from game of Thrones. She loves game of Thrones. That’s her thing. So not I’m sorry, Lord of the rings. Oh my gosh. She would kill me if I said Lord of the rings. So I’m showing her all my stupid collections. And then literally like three weeks after I was talking, I’m like, can I come to visit? You should look, please do. So she surprises me because she’s a huge gremlins fan. She even has the gremlin tattooed on her, on her leg play.

So I fly out to see her. She surprises me. She has me close. My eyes would try to look 20 degrees. Cause this was like December I’m wearing shorts. I don’t wear pants and wearing shorts on the t-shirt. I’m like, whatever, she was close your eyes. She walks me into this building, walks me into a theater. I opened my eyes and she goes we’re here I go. Yeah. Okay. We’re in a theater. She goes, no, no, no. I’ve rented the whole theater for you. And I just to watch criminals together. And I was just like, this is, this is, this is my dream woman.

This I, who, who does that? Who does that? You know? And she went to the bathroom and I cried. I cried and I recorded myself crying and I actually sent it to her, but she didn’t see it until we got back to, she rented a haunted bed and breakfast for us. So we stayed at a haunted Ben breakfast as well. So to try to outdo her, which she’d prefer stripped LA, I made my whole living room into a UFO crash site. I bought inflatable 10 foot UFO. I put plastic wrap all over it by house. I bought inflatable aliens that were like scattered all over the floor.

I even had a little alien speaker that was talking to her in the kitchen while I was running inside, turning all the lights, getting all the behind the scenes, cameras, rolling, everything else. It was a so, so we’re constantly trying to do that for each other because

Speaker 1 (1h 1m 27s): You guys, you guys are quite the pair. There’s no two ways about it.

Speaker 2 (1h 1m 30s): W yes. So, so that’s kind of like our game plan now. Let’s can we do in this documentary, we’re trying to grow Alta Roddick and we’re trying to get a reality show together. We’ve been doing this in called two Russians, one America, where we just do weird dumb things. And then we have all these weird friends with us. We have our tattoo artists, Evelyn ain’t, who’s got a split tongue, face tattoos, amazing tattoo artists. And she’s a performer. And we took her to a bed and breakfast on the bed. Didn’t even tell her until we’re pulling up to it. We have footage of poor, like freaking out, like I’m not staying here, you know, all kinds of stuff.

So we have a lot of pet projects, obviously trying to pay our bills. But this year, our plan is to try to grow our, getting our YouTube channel together. I have my own YouTube channel called cirrhotic has a huge YouTube channel. We’re trying to get our two restaurants, one America, YouTube channel going and just doing a lot of things. You know, like Texas house from asker to hopefully like what’s L for we did Inc. Hotel three. And it got five and nominations, which is a lot for a movie that was shot.

Everything concentrated. Yeah. There was not one person in there that got paid and we have five nominations, which is huge because we’re competing

Speaker 1 (1h 2m 44s): Against

Speaker 2 (1h 2m 45s): Big budget productions. And it’s literally like to shoot that’s it. That’s exactly it. I love to light. I love to write weird shit. I I’m in the movies. I don’t do scenes, but I’m in the movies acting a fool, like a crazy Russian pornographer. I used to scream and yell in Russia and all kinds of stuff. So we were already started in motel for at least ideas for it. We just have a lot lined up and I’m really about helping talent that once to build their brand properly, help them.

You know, I helped Christy Mack. Who’s a huge name. She gives credit for me, helping her build her brand. I helped people like my, my company called the cops, sorry, by company Poobah. We did sides for, we still run sides for Nicole Addison. So Kira Christy Mac, Samantha sane, Alison Tyler. We did sides for Romy rain, Abigail Mac, and all these girls were fairly new when they started.

So my work helped them build those brands, whether you want to commit to it or not. Yeah, it feels great. But especially with some of the Christie macros, huge gives me credit for helping her start a merchant line, helping her build her brand. That means a lot because I’ve never wanted anything, but from them, except that should cool stuff, let’s help each other out and move on from there. And some girls came and went some, you know, the typical, you know, you didn’t do shit for me or whatever else, you know, I’m like, I don’t care.

I don’t need the credit. I don’t give a fuck. Do your thing. I don’t care. You know? So with no sweat off my balls, I got to shoot some cool shit with some really cool people. I’m happy.

Speaker 1 (1h 4m 31s): So what the maintenance it’s what makes the world go round, right?

Speaker 2 (1h 4m 34s): Yeah. Yeah. You know, and, and especially like with ultra Roddick, we should all girls in all girls, basically stepchildren of porn. They really are. You know, it’s not like they’re getting a lot of work. They’re really looked down on in society because like, I she’s got tattoos. She must be a crack head or whatever else, you know, or drug dealer or, or, or something. And to me, I look at all girls as creative people who express their creativity, their passion, or their emotions on their body, because they’re telling a story with their body.

And I love that. So to me, helping them out, like we have a girl, Amber, Lou, cause one of our brand ambassadors, she’s got tattooed eyeballs, blue, baby blue eyeballs, she got tattooed. And she came out here three years ago. I became like a big brother and I would, I helped her out. Shit went crazy viral on YouTube per whatever videos is that 18 million views on our channel. It’s huge. And now we had a UK channel reach out to me wanting that content for the TV show.

Dad just give us credit. You know? So, so there’s like a lot of that going on. I, I love seeing people that are dedicated that are good people being success. Cause like, you know, I’m going to be 52. How long do I have left home was died three years, two years ago. I don’t know.

Speaker 1 (1h 5m 54s): Well, you know what? I haven’t, I’m 64. Hopefully we both have a long time left. I’d really like to thank you for being our guest today on adults. I broke her talk and I know we have a lot more we can talk about and I hope we’ll have a chance to do it again really soon.

Speaker 2 (1h 6m 10s): Yes, this was great. I love sharing stories so I could talk, I could talk for hours as you can tell. So

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 15s): Thank you very much. My broker tip today is part two of how to buy a site. Last week, we discussed first deciding the type of site you want to buy and then establishing what your budget is next. It’s time to look for your new website. So where do you look? Well, adult site broker is a great place to start. We always have a nice variety of website and non website properties for sale. But if there’s a particular type of site you want, we can also act as your buyer’s broker to help you find just the right site.

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2 (2m 5s):
Thank you for having us for having us.

1 (2m 7s):
Hey, it’s a pleasure and I’m really looking forward to this. Now they’re partnered in life and business and are happily open publicly about the non-monogamous relationship. Stephanie had Foxer all right, Diane NAMIC duo who have a passion for helping others discover their relationships true potential. Having met on a dating app for a quick hookup, they immediately knew this is a relationship that had the potential to be much more. After many years together, they’ve designed their personal relationship to fulfill their individual desire and needs, which include an open concept and strong communication. Stephanie is a bisexual and foxes straight, and they both thoroughly enjoy sharing their intimacy with other people together.

1 (2m 49s):
They feel that it’s unrealistic for the other partner to fulfill every sexual desire and need. So they invite others with similar relationship styles and interests to share in the Stephanie is a certified sex therapist, a licensed professional counselor, adult and sex worker specialist and alternative relationship specialist and a board certified relationship intimacy and sex education coach. Ooh, that’s a mouthful. Okay. Fox is a sexual assault, victim intervention specialist, sexual assault prevention and response specialist, and a crisis intervention specialist together. They own the kinky coach spelled with a K a king based professional platform, bringing together professional educators and users, Stephanie and Fox, a podcast for education on intimacy, relationships, sex education, and communication, and evolve your intimacy, a guidance center, providing counseling, coaching workshops, retreats, and education for those seeking to educate enlightened and evolve.

1 (3m 52s):
Their intimacy. Stephanie and Fox have appeared on numerous TV and radio shows and have been widely published, especially in the kink and lifestyle areas. We’ve also won multiple awards and are on prestigious boards, including pineapple support, who adult site broker proudly supports. Sorry. That’s all we have time for today. Okay. That’s a, that’s a heck of a, that’s a heck of a bio there. I think that’s my record evolve your intimacy or E Y I.

3 (4m 26s):
Yeah, so of all your intimacy is a guidance and counseling center. And our, our main focus is to educate enlighten any evolve, the intimacy of others. So we know that relationships are hard and there really isn’t a guide for this. No one’s ever told you how to be in a relationship. So what we do is we help couples navigate all of that and learn how to communicate and work through sexual disappointments, mismatched, libidos, all kinds of fun stuff.

1 (4m 58s):
Sounds good. So who is Stephanie personally?

3 (5m 3s):
Oh, Stephanie is, Hey, how would you describe me personally,

2 (5m 9s):
Stephanie, I would classify as passionate dramatic. She wears a hard run, the sleeve. She is Southern loud and she is just loving. I mean, she is probably the most loving and accepting person I have ever met in my entire life. And that is not an embellishment. I mean, you tolerate me that says a lot.

1 (5m 37s):
That’s awesome. And I, and I love the, I love the Southern accent, Stephanie, that a, that adds a lot.

3 (5m 44s):
It is intense at times I try to hide it.

1 (5m 49s):
I do well. And since we’re recording this on January 25th, I’m not even going to bring up that 49 or cowboy game.

3 (5m 57s):
Yeah. When the best that’s okay.

1 (6m 1s):
It was good for me. It was good for me anyway. So who is Stephanie professionally?

3 (6m 10s):
Well, that one I can answer. I’m a licensed therapist in Texas and in Florida, I recently just got certified for certified sex therapy. And I’m in the dissertation phase of my PhD program where I’m going to have a doctorate of clinical sexology. I tend to be a reality-based therapist. So I kind of, or I, don’t kind of, I tell you what you need to hear, not necessarily what you want to hear. And that’s a lot, that’s part of what I do in counseling.

1 (6m 42s):
That’s awesome. So, so if I, if I came to you for counseling, you kinda kind of give me an idea of what I would, what I would experience.

3 (6m 53s):
Yeah. So it really depends on what you’re coming for. If we’re going to stay with the same realm of relationship counseling, we would automatically start off with, well, what brought you here? And I always ask, what is the thing that made you say, fuck, I need to reach out for counseling. And so most of the time the clients tell me what that point was. And then we work backwards from there. It’s a, it’s a puzzle.

1 (7m 19s):
What’s the, what’s the longest period of time. You’ve you’ve counseled somebody.

3 (7m 25s):
Oh, well I do retreats. So we’ve done the three-day retreats.

1 (7m 30s):
I mean, in terms of how many in terms of months and years.

3 (7m 33s):
Oh, oh wow. So my goal is to work myself out of a job. I don’t want to keep, because I have other people I need to help with that said I do have a few lifers. And I think my longest one right now is three years, but that’s severe trauma. I’m just going to say that’s a very long one. That’s not, not very, a very common, I guess.

1 (7m 57s):
Oh, sure. Sure. So who is Fox personally? I guess, I guess Stephanie gets to answer this one,

2 (8m 4s):
Right? I was like, well, let’s play the same game.

3 (8m 7s):
Oh wow. Fox. He loves hard, but he only loves the hose that yeah, he loves. So he’s the kind of person that will tell it, like it is, he doesn’t try to hurt your feelings, but he’s not going to try to sugarcoat anything. And he’s actually genuine. You don’t meet many genuine people in this world and he is truly genuine.

1 (8m 32s):
That’s awesome.

2 (8m 33s):
Well, that was a very nice and political from that ad. I usually get told I’m very stoic, intimidating, and I don’t talk much, but I truly do love people. And I do have a very knit tight group of friends. And I don’t open that circle up very often

3 (8m 56s):
Where I’m all about free love and love and everybody he’s all about not,

2 (9m 4s):
I also love very openly. I have been in polyamorous relationships in the past. And so I, you know, I’m all about the free expression of love is just that I don’t trust very many people. My careers have taught me to demand someone prove themselves at the same time, give them that same respect. Hmm.

1 (9m 26s):
Okay. So who is Fox professionally?

2 (9m 30s):
So I’m medically retired. Military just retired as a federal law enforcement to two or three years ago now three years ago. And that led me into my work with Stephanie. So I’m also a relationship intimacy and sex education coach as well. And then I also teach skydiving on the side. I Moonlight as a skydive and coach.

1 (9m 58s):
Wow. Wow. How is that? Go ahead. Go ahead, Stephanie. Sorry.

3 (10m 4s):
I was just gonna say, oh yeah. And part of Stephanie, she’s got attitude.

1 (10m 8s):
So how skydiving, tell me about that.

2 (10m 11s):
You know, so a lot of people hear that term and they freak out and say, oh, I’m jumping out of the plane. And I’m like, well, technically you don’t jump. You fall, you fall on a curve. So you don’t get sick to your stomach. And when you’re up there, you it’s bliss. It’s like yoga or meditation because you have nothing to think about, but making sure that you survive and land safely. In the meantime, you’re with some extraordinary people, skydiving is very much like the alternative lifestyle where it doesn’t matter how much money you make, who you are, even really what your name is.

2 (10m 51s):
Everyone is out there for one purpose only. And everyone for the most part has the utmost respect for each other. And we all are just one big family.

1 (11m 1s):
Wow. I’m way too much of a pussy to do that. So I’m too afraid of death. So tell me, tell me the story about how the two of you met.

2 (11m 13s):
Okay. I’m going to tell my short version, and then she’s going to say, she’s going to tell you the right one. So we both had just got out of relationships. Mine, I think longer than hers, I’m less of the slot here. Just going to put that out there. And I say we met on Tinder. We were both just trying to hook up. And after the first date I realized, oh, she’s attractive. She has intelligence. She’s street smart. Maybe I should not fuck this one. Maybe I should hold out a little bit and see where it takes me. That’s my story.

3 (11m 48s):
And I say, we met on Bumble either way. We met on a dating app. Yes. We were both looking to just hook up. But yeah, he wouldn’t give it up. So he made me wait.

1 (12m 1s):
Oh my God.

3 (12m 2s):
Yeah. It was terrible all the way slutty Stephanie was out there.

1 (12m 8s):
Hm, wow. Wow. Yeah. I, it must have been disappointing for you, Stephanie, of being on a, being on a hookup app and, and not, not getting it. That must, that must have really sucked.

3 (12m 21s):
Well, it did, but it was worth the wait. I mean, I stuck around a little bit longer.

1 (12m 25s):
Indeed. Indeed. Do you to do, do you to do coaching and therapy together by the way?

2 (12m 35s):
So we do, it’s two different companies. One is a Stephanie’s counseling service, which has beautiful beginnings counseling. And then we have evolve your intimacy, which also has therapists and board certified coaches. But that is, that is a coaching platform.

1 (12m 52s):
Okay. Okay. So that year in together. Okay. So what’s the difference between coaching and therapy?

3 (13m 0s):
Well, so in coaching, the coach helps a person achieve like a specific goal and they decide that it’s person to person, everybody that comes into coaching has something that they want to achieve. On the other hand, a therapist really helps the people deal with the problems and difficulties that they face in their life. And it’s just very deep and internal level where coaching is kind of superficial coaches get to be friends, therapists get to be

2 (13m 28s):
Professionals,

3 (13m 28s):
Professionals.

2 (13m 30s):
We also don’t have as many CPU’s, which is nice. And we don’t spend the same amount of money to get that LPC or therapist title like we do as a board certified coach.

3 (13m 43s):
Yeah. It’s been a lot of money on these licenses.

1 (13m 47s):
Yeah. I guess, I guess what are the, what are the expectations between coaching and therapy? How are they different?

2 (13m 60s):
So I want to say the expectation is relatively the same. Somebody comes in or somebodies or persons, whatever that looks like, and they either have a goal or an issue or a complication or a hardship or, or what have you. And they want guidance. They want help in either resolving that or finding a way to adapt their life, to involve that if it’s something that is going to be around forever and ever amen. And so there’s, there’s not much difference when it comes to that. However, as Stephanie defined, you know, coaching is more specific goals, it is more client based.

2 (14m 45s):
So we do have, you know, a plan put in place, but it’s not a treatment plan per se. Like it would be a counselor or a therapist. And it, as, as she already stated, we are very much a professional friend. We can get away with a lot more. We can talk about a lot more. We can get extremely personal where even though therapists can do that, there is a fine line with our ethics board on what they can and can’t get personal with.

1 (15m 12s):
Sure, sure. So we’ve talked about expectations now. What, what should they expect from a coaching relationship? What, what, what will actually happen?

2 (15m 24s):
Right. So when someone signs up with our coaching platform, you go to a website of all your intimacy.com. And initially we have an initial consultation, which is free last about 30 minutes. And really that’s the time for the client just to word vomit, anything and everything they need to around, whatever situation is going on. And the coach will take notes. We take about 10 minutes and talking to them a resolving what we heard saying, Hey, this is what I heard, please, correct me if I’m wrong. This is what I think would help you. And then we put them with a suitable coach. Some coaches have different strengths than others.

2 (16m 6s):
For instance, myself, I am stronger with polyamorous couples and non-monogamous couples than I am with anything. And then also communication where other coaches have other strong points. So after that, they set up their own appointment. They last anywhere from an hour to two hours, we try never to go past two hours because after that nobody’s really paying attention and not much else is getting resolved after that. And you know, it is literally a back and forth clients talk a little bit, I’ll intervene, ask some questions, some clarifying questions, try and give some resolve or some tools. And that’s pretty much what a session looks like.

2 (16m 46s):
And then we repeat and repeat and repeat until the client feels, Hey, I have all the tools in my tool bag that I feel are necessary. And then we tell them, look, you’ve graduated from us. You don’t need us anymore. You can always check back in. If you guys have a hiccup, we’re always here for you. And unless there’s a major issue moving forward, really just check in with us, you know, and that’s pretty much what a coaching relationship looks like, which is very different than a therapeutic relationship.

1 (17m 15s):
Okay. And I’ll ask you about that in a second, but the coaching relationship, it really sounds a lot like the relationship between a coach and an athlete is, is that, is that reading it right?

2 (17m 29s):
Yeah. That’s actually a very good way to put it.

1 (17m 33s):
Okay. Now the same question for therapeutic relationship, what will they, what will they experience

3 (17m 41s):
Well? So the therapeutic relationship is a lot different than the coaching relationship because I have specialty training that the coaches don’t have. And that’s me with the anxiety, the depression, the trauma, all of that stuff that I’ve focused on for so many years and then add onto it, the sex therapy. So a licensed therapist, they’re highly trained in dealing with the mental health topics like depression, anxiety, infidelity, and so much more. What we do is therapists identify a person like in a person’s life when they’re, what’s causing them to be stuck from progressing and from living a really healthy life.

3 (18m 23s):
And so the therapist really helps clients with emotional regulation, improved communication skills. We strengthen self-esteem, we promote behavior change. We really dig deep and figure out what the cause of the issue is. We make some connections, we unpack it. And yeah, we just really work on that very deep, deep level, lots of tears, sometimes lots of laughter. And you never know what you’re going to get in a session.

1 (18m 50s):
Yeah. I guess sex therapy must get a little bit tricky because, you know, and relationship obviously as well, but I mean, sex therapy has gotta be, I dunno, more than a little bit sensitive because I mean, I’ve been, I’ve been, I’ve done relationship therapy with my, with my wife before we were married. And I, I have a pretty good idea of how that goes, but I, I have a little trouble imagining, okay. I go in and I talk to people about our sex lives. That’s gotta be a lot more touchy.

3 (19m 27s):
It can be, it can be absolutely. But at the same time, the people coming in have been living with this for so long that they finally got the courage to say, I can’t do this anymore and I need help. So they’re already coming in with a mindset of, okay, we’ve been dealing with this for so many years, so many months, whatever, and we just need some outside help. And so they’re, they’re already really receptive to it. So the sensitivity is not as great as what you would think for like, you know, just somebody going to therapy and then all of a sudden sex gets brought up.

1 (19m 59s):
Hmm. Okay. So how is sex therapy and coaching different from regular therapy? There must be some big differences.

2 (20m 8s):
Yeah. So there is so and correct me if I’m wrong, hon. So a sex therapist is also a licensed mental health professional, but they have an extensive education and training within sex therapy. So, you know, topics like sexual function, lack of desire, mix-match libidos, intimacy and fidelity all the way to, you know, past sexual trauma, maybe childhood trauma, you know, erectile, disappointments, painful intercourse, how to have healthy sex communication is also very much a big thing involved with that. Did I miss anything? Huh?

3 (20m 48s):
No, you didn’t. Yeah. We spend a lot of hours focused on sex. Sex has been my focus. What for the last three years now? Yeah. All things sex, good, bad and ugly.

1 (21m 4s):
It’s been my focus for 64 years. So

3 (21m 8s):
I agree with that now. See, I study sex sexology. I love to have sex. And I’ve been doing that for quite a while. But the study of sex I’ve been engrossed in for about three years solid. No

1 (21m 24s):
You don’t, you, you we’ve met, you’ve mentioned Fox. You’ve mentioned a mix-matched libidos a few times. Talk about that issue. How prevalent is it and how do you fix it?

2 (21m 39s):
Okay. So I’m gonna do my best and I’m going to let Stephanie definitely chime in, cause this is, this is really her thing, but I have, I have been learning along the way. So to my understanding, you know, mix-match libidos, a lot of people take that personally because one partner or more partners, depending on what your relationship status looks like is either a lot more highly sexual than the other or others. And then of course the opposite. And a lot of people tend to take that personally, like, well, that has to do with me, right? So for instance, if I woke up tomorrow and for whatever reason, I am now hyper hyper-sexual where let’s say, you know, Stephanie is hypo sexual.

2 (22m 21s):
You know, I may look at my wife and go, well, it’s my fault. Or I’m not attractive enough or I’m not trying hard enough or she’s bored with me or she’s cheating on me or, you know, or, or, or, and there’s a bunch of oars when the true issue behind that. Normally commonly, I actually don’t like the word normal commonly is either miscommunication. It’s something within the person’s body. So the chemical makeup, their body’s behaving differently.

1 (22m 53s):
Yeah.

2 (22m 53s):
Or again, communication. I mean, communication is huge. When it comes to mix, match will be is because sometimes the person doesn’t even know what’s happening with them. They just know that they are not lacking sex in the same pattern or frequency that they used to share that because I see you’re looking at me like, oh, but there’s more

3 (23m 17s):
Also part of Ms. Special DDoS is there could be something that a client is hanging on to from 20 years ago. And once we get down and we start breaking down all of their, their breaks and their accelerators and all of that fun stuff that Emily and the gossipy talks about, it might come out that, you know, at one point you said that I looked terrible in this lingerie and I’ve held that on. I’ve held that forever. And now I don’t ever want to wear lingerie and I never want to have sex again because of what you said 20 years ago. And that was a shock to some people that the partners are like, what, where did that come from? And so really diving deep and trying to figure out what the base of it is.

3 (23m 58s):
There’s always a root to it, unless there’s something hormonal or there is something medically wrong. I always tell the very first thing I ask is, have you been to your doctor and have you had your hormones tested? Have you have your testosterone tested? What do we, what are we working with with those levels? Because as we age those levels decrease, and that’s a real thing that can really cause mismatched libidos. But if it’s all on the up and up and everybody’s healthy, okay. From the doctor, then we start digging deep and you know, if they can’t overcome this, then we get to look at different styles of relationships. What can we do to help, to help with, to help you guys overcome this and stay as a couple or a threat or whatever the dynamics are.

1 (24m 43s):
Hmm. You, you mentioned, you guys have mentioned communications a lot, which obviously that’s, that’s huge when we’re talking about relationships, how many issues that you have people present to, you have to do with nothing more than communications?

3 (25m 4s):
I would say 80%, if not more.

1 (25m 8s):
Okay. Okay.

3 (25m 11s):
And I say this, we are not taught how to communicate. We weren’t taught that in school. We weren’t taught that most of us weren’t taught that from our parents and we don’t have healthy relationships to model our new or existing relationships after the templates, suck Hollywood templates suck. You know, your parents probably weren’t the best, but you know, here we are just trying to make it. So no one really has that template to go off of that’s when you, that’s why they’re happy. Even if it’s a coach or anything is so awesome for any couple, because we provide you with that narrative, that language, those skills that you weren’t taught ever.

1 (25m 47s):
Yeah. Yeah. They don’t, they don’t have school for relationships. Do they?

3 (25m 52s):
Not at all. They don’t even have sex education in most places.

1 (25m 55s):
Yeah. Yeah. They had that one that they had that when I was in high school when many, many eons ago, and I, I hear they’ve eliminated. How, how much of a problem is that

2 (26m 6s):
That is a huge problem, especially here in the United States, because there is no one way to teach sex education. It is state by state. And depending on your geographical location, depends on what type of sex education you get. And in some states sex education is a mere sentence of don’t have sex until you’re married because it’s a sin end quote and sex education. You’ve now been taught. So reframe use abstinence until you’re married and then only use sex for procreation. It’s absolutely terrible. So a lot of our kids nowadays are learning from porn, social media, tick talk, a whatever website they can conjure up without looking at the sources.

2 (26m 54s):
I mean, it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s outrageous. And it’s scary.

1 (26m 58s):
How much of a problem is that for the adults that these people become?

3 (27m 3s):
Well, they have unrealistic ideation, unrealistic expectations. Well, I can talk of what sex is. So if you’re raised on Hollywood porn and you think that sex well, that’s completely unrealistic. And so they’re going to have lots of disappointments when they’re starting to have sex and it doesn’t look like that. The woman doesn’t sound like that. You know, he’s not having just mindblowing life, altering sex every single time. And so people get confused and they really, man, those, those unrealistic expectations can kick you in the ass and then you get into a relationship and you know, you, you expect one thing and that’s not, that’s not going to happen.

1 (27m 44s):
Yeah. Yeah. And you also mentioned porn now. We’re obviously very, very porn positive on this podcast. And you know, I, I, I broke her websites in the adult space. You folks are, are very much a part of the adult industry and then the kink community. But how much of a problem is it when young people watch porn and expect that that’s kind of the way things are. And again, I’m not looking to bat, I’m not looking to bash porn because there’s enough people doing that for us. But how, how much, how much of that as a problem?

2 (28m 25s):
Well, considering, and I was on Playboy for a short time, I’m going to let Stephanie answer that, but it’s, it can be a problem if they don’t know what they’re properly looking at. Oh yeah.

3 (28m 37s):
If they get ahold of ethical porn that is more realistic, they’re going to see bodies that look like theirs. They’re going to see maybe some more jiggle in, in some of the stomachs or little butts, you know? And so it’s not, they’re not perfect. They’re going to see all those of all shapes, colors, sizes, and you know, they’re not looking for that porno. Perfect pussy is what I like to call it, but they’re, so it just really depends on the type of porn they’re exposed to. Yeah. If it’s the ethical porn and we’ve got some really good variations in representation, then I don’t see anything wrong with that.

3 (29m 19s):
But when we get into that unrealistic Hollywood and I call it Hollywood porn, that, and that’s what we were all

1 (29m 26s):
Raised born. Yeah.

2 (29m 29s):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it’s also, you know, ethical porn doesn’t always have a cum shot. Doesn’t, you know, not every single woman takes it in their mouth or in her butt or on her face or in her eyeballs or, you know, all these other unrealistic things that last yeah, exactly. You know, it’s just, that is not what sex looks like all the time. That’s not even what sex looks like most of the time.

3 (29m 55s):
Yeah. I think I’ve only had sex like that, but just a handful of times.

1 (29m 60s):
Yeah. And also you don’t want the women to expect a 12 inch cock or the men do expect, you know, massive, massive breasts and a perfect body because then they get disappointed.

3 (30m 11s):
Yeah,

2 (30m 12s):
Exactly.

1 (30m 13s):
So what are the most common questions a sex therapist gets from clients? Give me some,

3 (30m 20s):
Okay. So some, the most ones am I normal? Everybody wants to know, am I normal? Yeah. What the hell is normal? That’s my question to them. What the hell is normal? So I, everybody, yes. That’s just my question. My answer to every question. Yes you are. Well, okay. Well what does that mean? I don’t know what that means, but your normal dammit. Move on another question.

1 (30m 50s):
I see the, I see the attraction immediately. Fox feisty, feisty. I love it. I love it.

3 (30m 58s):
And I, I’m not even going to say, unfortunately, fortunately what you see here and what you hear here is what you also get in the office because I’m, I’m real. I’m not going to have anybody. I don’t know. I don’t blow air up. Anybody’s skirt. I guess the best way to say it. Another common question is can I learn to orgasm

1 (31m 18s):
And your answer?

3 (31m 20s):
I’m sorry. He’s looking at me crazy. And I don’t know what he’s doing.

2 (31m 23s):
No, I want to go next after you’re done talking about,

3 (31m 28s):
I think it like slow down those hand signals and let me answer questions. So yes, you can learn to orgasm. Now is the orgasm going to look the way you expect it to look? Probably however we can get there. It’s it’s a slow buildup over time. And so there are so many, I have a, a course that we’ve, we’re going to be putting up on our website and it’s, it’s going to teach women how to orgasm and teach men how to help their women orgasm.

1 (31m 55s):
Nice. Yeah. Well that’s and that’s that’s and that’s just so important to that. That both sides are, are looking out for the other

2 (32m 5s):
Yeah. A hundred percent. So another one we get, and this is from men and women is what’s the average penis size is mine too small, too big, too thick, too skinny, you know, is anyone going to appreciate it? Am I going to be able to give someone pleasure with this thing? And it’s, you know, what’s good for the goose may not be good for the Gander and vice versa. That’s true. Not every woman or man wants a 12 inch penis. I can tell you. Yeah. I have one prior military buddy that was 11 and a half inches. And the blood flow issue he had was outrageous. And he could only stay hard for about 15 minutes.

1 (32m 45s):
Oh God.

2 (32m 46s):
You know, it’s, we’re taught as kids or I was taught as a kid, you know, back in the late seventies size matters. It means everything. Okay. You know, you say that. And then since I’ve gotten to the world of sex, I can tell you that does size matter to a certain extent. Okay? Sure. Does it mean because you’re smaller than the average person that you can’t provide? Pleasure. Okay. No, every woman’s vagina and vulva is shaped differently. The depths are different. The canals are different. So you just have to match yourself with someone that can appreciate your size. You also have your tongue and your hands and your words and the rest of your body.

2 (33m 30s):
Not everything has to be about penetration.

1 (33m 32s):
Big time, big time, not too

3 (33m 36s):
One question that we get a lot and I love this one is, do you watch me have sex? Are you going to have sex with me?

2 (33m 43s):
Know, are you going to put on a whistle and a coach’s uniform? Cause your ex-coach right.

1 (33m 48s):
You know, I, you know, I I’m getting, I’m getting that picture and, and in my mind, and it’s pretty fucking hilarious. I, I think there’s actually, I think if a, if a, if an enterprising porn producer is listening here, I think there might be a scene in this.

3 (34m 3s):
Oh, absolutely. I have the costume. Cause we joke about it when we go to hedonism to, for sports, not

2 (34m 11s):
At legitimately.

1 (34m 12s):
Oh God. Yeah. I went, I went there once. Unfortunately it was Christmas week, bad week to go.

2 (34m 18s):
I was going to say there’s a unfortunately in, Hito usually never enter the same sentence.

3 (34m 23s):
I’ve never heard that before.

1 (34m 25s):
This is true. This is true. So what, what’s your answer to that? How do you, how do you address the, the, a whistle and the coach’s uniform?

3 (34m 36s):
I always say, well, I hate to disappoint you, but no, I will not be watching. You have sex and I will not be having sex with you. And I can tell you about I’m about 30% of the husbands are like what? Or, you know, 30% of the people were like, what I’m like, okay. Well,

2 (34m 54s):
I don’t tell her about half of the emails that we get asked, w one always requesting Stephanie and I’m like, well, that’s the way it should be anyway. But B with that actual same question, you know, Hey, does this mean you’re coming to our house? No, no,

1 (35m 14s):
Love it. Love it. So is sex therapy and coaching mainly for non-monogamous people?

2 (35m 22s):
So, no, absolutely not. It’s for any, you know, it’s not even just for couples it’s for any person or persons, couple, whatever that looks like that, you know, either a, wants to jump ahead because we have a lot of young couples now that come to us right out the gate, they just started dating or they’re talking about marriage and they come to us and say, okay, we don’t want to screw anything up. So here we are. And there’s no real underlining issue. It’s just maintenance. Right. Exactly. You know, and then it’s just for anyone that feels that they may need guidance advice, or they have an ailment or an issue or concern.

2 (36m 3s):
So really it’s for anybody non-monogamy or monogamy has nothing to do with whether you should come to sex therapy or coaching or not.

1 (36m 11s):
Okay.

3 (36m 11s):
I would like to add to that as well. It’s for, it’s definitely for individuals. So I have, I have a handful of male clients right now who are struggling with micro penises and, you know, they just don’t feel like there’ll be able to perform or, you know, they’re struggling with different areas of their, of their anatomy. And so that’s been fun too. I mean, you don’t have to be in a couple to work with people or to work with a sex therapist or sex coach. I mean, it’s, you could come by yourself because I mean, you have sex with yourself, don’t you?

1 (36m 47s):
All right. Try. So EYI has a podcast tell us about it.

2 (36m 55s):
Sure. So we it’s evolve your intimacy with Stephanie and Fox. You can find it on any major podcast platform. I just say, go to our website, evolve all your intimacy.com and you can find it there. And we talk about the unknown subjects, the taboo, and we bring a lot of professionals on that are experts in their specific field. We also bring on couples and individuals as well. And you know, we get into those real conversations, real conversations. Like we had a gentlemen on that had a, had penis surgery and he had a penis pump placed into him.

1 (37m 35s):
And

2 (37m 36s):
We talked for a whole hour about him, you know, his journey, his wife’s journey. Cause their journeys were separate concerning the event, you know, and then what their sex looks like now, what their intimacy looks like, you know? So we do that. And then we interview people like Dr. Ari Tuckman. And we talk about, Hey, when you have ADHD, how does that affect your sex life or doesn’t because it absolutely does. It definitely, you know, alters your choices within your sexuality. So we talk about pretty much everything. And, and then of course, every now and then we talk about our own personal sex life, but that’s far in between, but there are some episodes in there.

3 (38m 19s):
Yeah.

1 (38m 21s):
That’s awesome. Sounds exciting. So what’s in the future for AYI.

3 (38m 27s):
Wow. So much we have workshops. We have a coaching platform that, ah, it’s got to be built. It’s being built. It’s built. It’s just not live yet. We have workshops, we have

2 (38m 44s):
Self study courses.

3 (38m 45s):
Self-help I mean, there’s so much what our goal is to help people have, I guess, find a common language and talk about sex, but also to, to remove the shame and stigma, because coming from Texas, the south sex is just not a common subject around here. And if it is, we’ll just bless your heart. You just need to go to church.

2 (39m 11s):
It’s really,

1 (39m 12s):
That’s so true.

2 (39m 13s):
Yeah. So our main goal is just to have an all encompassing, you know, platform that it’s built into our name that truly helps people evolve, their intimacy, whatever that looks like to them, any dynamic period.

3 (39m 29s):
Absolutely.

1 (39m 31s):
So what’s your advice for others in open relationships?

2 (39m 35s):
Ooh, that’s a loaded question. Yeah.

1 (39m 39s):
Go for it.

2 (39m 40s):
I’m going to, I’m going to say, so I’ve been in alternative relationships for over 23 years now, between swinging non-monogamy and polyamory. I would say 100% communication. If you don’t talk, I can’t listen. If we don’t talk, you can’t listen. And if neither one of us talk, neither one of us can be heard and therefore we can’t understand each other. You know, communication is a, it’s a very scary thing. For many people, fear judgment. They fear the reaction, you know, and they fear being chastised open up. You would be absolutely amazed at the response that you will get from your partner.

2 (40m 25s):
If you bring up whatever sexual based concern you have just directly and openly and sure, but don’t attack them on it. You know, just say, Hey, this is what I’m looking for. This is how I’ve evolved. Do you want to jump on this train with me and just have that honest and true conversation.

3 (40m 45s):
I want to add to that. Of course, of

2 (40m 48s):
Course.

3 (40m 50s):
I want to give permission to anybody and everybody who’s listening right now that want to do something different in their relationship. I want to give you permission to do it. You get to design your relationship any way you want it. It doesn’t matter what society says. Religion says, your mom says your aunt says it doesn’t matter. This is your relationship. And as of today, I’m giving you permission to begin marriage. Number two, relationship number two, and use all the information that you have and all the, the pain, the memories, the good, bad, the ugly from before this today and use all of that to create it. However you want it to look, it’s yours to design and I give you permission to design your relationship.

1 (41m 34s):
Nice. Nice. Yeah. I mean, there really are no rules right

2 (41m 39s):
There. Shouldn’t be,

3 (41m 40s):
There shouldn’t be, but there are

2 (41m 42s):
Societies as

1 (41m 43s):
Society has rules. But my, but my point is, I mean, there was a time where there wasn’t anywhere where gay people could get married. Now there is, but I mean the, the norms are, they’re really more norms are not rules, but if you’re in a relationship, you really don’t have rules, right?

3 (42m 2s):
Yeah. Boundaries and those should be negotiated within the, within the dynamic of the threat bull couple individually.

2 (42m 9s):
Well, you know, I think maybe if we’re talking on rules, the only rule should be love or care, whatever that looks like to you. Cause you know, not everyone in relationship is in love and that’s fine if you’re trying to benefit the relationship and not just yourself, you’re going to go very, very far.

1 (42m 31s):
Yeah.

2 (42m 32s):
You know, Stephanie said something, actually I think she typed something just the other day. And I, I just, I never even thought about this. And I was like, this is truly amazing. You know, when clients come to us, we don’t treat the client. We treat the situation.

1 (42m 47s):
Yeah.

2 (42m 48s):
And that’s what we go after. And, and we tell them that, you know, you’re the client, but really our client is whatever situation you’ve put in front of us, the relationship, the relationship or the dynamic of what you’re trying to resolve, especially, you know, because we do have some individuals that come to us as well. That’s what we’re treating. And that’s what we’re providing guidance for. It’s not for you as a person because you’re bias and you’re going to have certain wants versus needs. And they may not be positive for you or whatever relationship that you’re in. And we’re going to be honest about that.

1 (43m 23s):
Fantastic guys. I, I was really looking forward to this and now I know why Stephanie and Fox I’d like to thank you once again for being our guests today on adults. I broke her talk and I hope we’ll have a chance to do it again really soon.

2 (43m 38s):
Absolutely. We

3 (43m 39s):
Appreciate it. Thank you.

1 (43m 40s):
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1 (44m 35s):
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1 (45m 21s):
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And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guests Stephanie and Fox. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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Megan, thanks for being with us today on Adult Site Broker Talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 20s): Oh, thank you, Bruce. I’m very happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (2m 24s): It’s a pleasure. Now, Megan, as I said, is the feminist sexBird@sexpert.com. She’s a USA today, bestselling erotic author and feminist activist who has written for publications that include Playgirl good vibrations and scandalous women and sites that include shush.com and blush erotica. She’s a winner of six romance industry awards and a fem porn influencer who reviews and recommends good porn and erotica for women. She lives in Florida.

So, and one thing I didn’t add there, which you’ve kind of added recently, you’re a, you’re riding some movie scenes, I guess, huh?

Speaker 2 (3m 4s): Yes, yes. Actually just they viewed on a blush. Erotica is my good friend Lily Craven, and the scene is called mommy’s favorite. Son-in-law with a beautiful young man, a newcomer named Milan. And like I was telling you earlier, probably with Lillian Milan almost on screen, I’m not sure if anybody would actually be listening to the dialogue, but

Speaker 1 (3m 30s): Yeah, we were just, we were just be asking before that. So, so tell us more about your work as the feminist sexpert for sexpert.com and a correspondent for scandalous woman.

Speaker 2 (3m 47s): Yes. Yes. Well basically, you know, as an adult journalist, I always wanted to present the women’s point of view and the feminist point of view. I feel that it’s still underrepresented. And so, oh, well in both cases with, through my interviews, I have an interview series at each site and then I also have some opinions and commentaries it’s expert and also even like reviews and historical pieces.

And really my aim is to educate women, you know, about what’s available to them in terms of erotic entertainment, movies that are good for them, you know, stars that they should watch out for, and maybe even some things to avoid, you know? And so that’s really the aim, you know, of each of each column.

Speaker 1 (4m 48s): Yeah. You know, I mean really before sites like, like Andrew Roundtree did with the shish.com, there really wasn’t a lot of porn for women was there.

Speaker 2 (4m 59s): No, no. And I am so thrilled to work with Angie. I write erotica stories for her site and also I’ve done some audio scripts and she is a revolutionary, it’s an honor to work with her and the yes. You know, I mean there was her and candied her way out and, you know, just a handful of other directors that really got the ball rolling. And there are other creators out there today, you know, that I’m thrilled to see more of it probably.

Speaker 1 (5m 31s): Absolutely. Do you, do you see more of this happening as there are more women, women in porn?

Speaker 2 (5m 41s): Yes, definitely. You know, I think that the more women, what we have in terms of directing and writing, I know that with the feminist sex sexpert, I’ve interviewed Angie, you know, I’ve interviewed Jennifer Lyon, bell, Ms. Naughty, Erica lust. And I’m about to write interview incl ventures and also Stacy Lyle, who was an executive flush.

And yes, there are more women on the creative side, both women who got in directly as directors and writers, but then we also see a lot of stars, you know, who are really coming forward and saying, I’m going to make my own content. You know, I want to write something direct, something that I want to see. So I love that too.

Speaker 1 (6m 34s): Absolutely. Yeah. I forgot to mention Erica. She’s, she’s been another what I would call revolutionary. So, so you’re both an erotic novelist and an erotic writer for dot com. How did you become an erotic writer?

Speaker 2 (6m 52s): Well, you know, RUSA, it was funny because I never thought that anyone would ever read my erotic stories and I would not allow because basically I grew up in Muncie, Indiana. I was a farmer’s daughter and, you know, very conservative, politically conservative, but morally conservative to the extreme and the, you know, so we never talked about sex really.

And, but I just was just always a very romantic person, you know, and starting my teens, very, you know, just central curious about things. And so I basically started writing erotica just as a way to deal with my feelings, you know, and it’s a good thing too, because I’m notorious for having very poor penmanship. So luckily the times that people didn’t come upon my writing, they couldn’t read it, but I just started the, I just started writing erotica, you know, just to deal with my own feelings.

But then when I started reading it to friends of mine, they were just like, oh, wow. You know, like, especially back in college was when I really started sharing that. And I get these phone calls. Have you written any more than that story, that story. And I’m like, well, is it an emergency or So I agreed a little bit to the story and, you know, then I actually started printing up some stories that I did and selling them to girls, I canvas, you know, because they became that popular.

And so then I just went on, I had my first publication in the mid two thousands and I started, I am now currently primarily with satin, which is a division of Milan and yeah, so I just kind of laid the groundwork. And again, you know, I wanted to present a more feminist viewpoint. I wanted to show that you could have like a consensual relationship, you know, and very respectful really could still be hot, you know?

And I wanted to show women and more positions of power, you know? And so it’s an actual, and actually my novel leading lady should be coming out in a few months. So

Speaker 1 (9m 35s): That’s great. So now, how did you first get into the adult industry through your work with Playgirl?

Speaker 2 (9m 43s): Yes. Well, I tell you, it’s interesting because I was a Playgirl reader since college and that’s all I was, was a fan, you know, I have no, you know, I had no connections in the adult industry at all, but I haven’t been on a message board and somebody said something about Playgirl TV, you know, and this was back in the mid, mid two thousands. And I’m like, finally, it’s about time long ago, boy PV, you know?

And so then I Googled Playgirl TV and I saw that it was going to be like a cable channel viewer, you know, view on demand. And so I wrote in all I wanted to do, I thought I’d never hear back. You know, I thought they’re probably getting so many notes. I probably won’t even register, but, you know, I sent her an email and I said, I just want to say I support this a hundred percent. I’d like more information on the possible. And so there’s a wonderful lady named Ted Eisenberg who was with Playgirl marketing.

And she said, you know, this website is really only for marketing people. And my first thought was, oh, but then she said, it’s amazing. You’re really interested in this. Aren’t you? And so we started talking and almost every day we were talking back and forth. She was asking me for ideas. And pretty soon, Bruce, I went from being a Playgirl reader to being the national leader of the Playgirl fan club with the Playgirl posse.

I had a column in Playgirl magazine. I was writing back cover copy for Playgirl DVDs. And it just totally, I mean, it was amazing to me that I would be given such a national platform, you know, and I am thrilled that I met so many other interesting women, you know, and I really began to meet other women that were like me and I was also able to represent the female point of view, you know, like when there were people who would just insist that women didn’t read Playgirl, you know, that and I’d be like, Hm, last time I checked, I am a native woman.

So there you go.

Speaker 1 (12m 17s): Sure, sure. And that’s, that’s originally what play girl was for was, you know, obviously for women, what are some of the challenges, you know, w what are some of the challenges of being a sex positive feminist?

Speaker 2 (12m 34s): I think that probably the number one challenge is what took me out of the business for several years is that there was a time after Playgirl pretty much shut down. You know, I, I did do some writing with good vibrations, which is another wonderful company and started writing for scandals, you know, was fantastic, you know, but other than that, you know, I just didn’t see a lot, you know, that was remaining for women.

And honestly, what I was seeing started to disturb me, I started to see a lot more roughness, even in mainstream, you know, titles and just more roughness violence objectification. And, you know, I just really, I think I got to a point I never, for one second wasn’t anti-porn feminist, because I believe so strongly in freedom of speech, you know, but I also got to the point where I was like, I, you know, I can’t do this anymore.

I can’t watch this. I can’t represent it. I just, I can’t. And so that really took me out of it. And I tried to concentrate more on just my writing. I got into a kind of like audio erotica, like ASM Mar and things like that, you know, but then when I started to watch more of Andrew’s work it, you know, and also, you know, Ms. Naughty was still going strong, Jennifer Lyon, bell.

And I also began to see new and emerging names, you know, coming in and taking over. And I started to see more of what I liked again, and also what occurred to me. I thought, you know, you can’t change and an industry by leaving it. You know, I wanted to be there to be a voice for women. I wanted to make a difference and I wanted to be there, of course, in case any woman needed help, I believe very much and performer advocacy and total consent in all situations.

And so that’s why I came back, you know,

Speaker 1 (14m 58s): That’s awesome. And the whole idea of the, the roughness and the rough sex and in porn, that’s obviously, there’s a lot of controversy around that right now. What’s your, what’s your feeling about that?

Speaker 2 (15m 15s): Well, I think that, first of all, personally, I don’t like it. I’m not into it. I am not at all now. You know, I do believe that there are certain people of both genders who have of course certain fetishes and fantasies. And if the content I know another great site out there is after glow.

And I know that Lily sparks a fantastic head of after glow. She reminds me don’t yuck somebody else’s yum. You know? And, And so, you know, I realized that’s another part of being a feminist is giving women agency, if they do choose to act out these fantasies in a safe consensual forum. You know, for me, it’s always safety first consent first, you know, but to me, I would also like to play a hand and having content that is totally non-violent, you know, it doesn’t have to be a Harlequin romance every time.

You know, I’m not saying that, I’m just saying, I’d like to see more respect. I’d like to see more empowered women. And, you know, when you think about what in theater Royale, you know, was producing, you know, the four she’s no longer with us, but, you know, they’re just more like that, more of an option, because I honestly know of women who will just not watch porn because of that perception that they’re going to see something just awful, you know?

And I want to provide more options. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (17m 3s): Who are some of the interesting people you’ve interviewed?

Speaker 2 (17m 7s): Yeah. It’s interesting people that I’ve interviewed. Well also like for sexpert. Well, let’s see, I’ll start with scandal as women, because I was there first, as I said everywhere.

Speaker 1 (17m 23s): Why don’t I ask the question? Why don’t I ask the question again? Meghan? Why don’t I ask the question again and we’ll flow a little better. Okay. Okay. So who are some of the interesting people? You okay. Let’s try this again. Who are some of the interesting people you’ve interviewed?

Speaker 2 (17m 38s): Oh, okay. Yeah. Well now for my feminist sexpert interview series, I have two categories. Basically. I interview women who are content creators. Now these could either be directors like I’ve interviewed Andrew Roundtree, Willie Sparks and income winters, Jennifer Lyon, bell, you know, just Ms.

Naughty, just really fantastic directors. And then I have also interviewed actresses who are, who create their own content, very empowered. We want to talk about empowered. I’ve interviewed goddess. Lilla talk about very powerful woman and penny barber, you know, and you know, and Avery Jane and Rebecca Vanguard, and these are women of all different ages and backgrounds, but the common denominator is that they take a great deal of pride in what they do.

They’re very proud feminist. And, you know, they really take a proactive, you know, very view and very responsible view of what they do. And then as far as the men that I interview, I also, now I do take my interviews with the male talent seriously and respectfully, because I feel that they usually don’t get a lot of a platform. You know, they usually don’t a lot of people don’t recognize their names beyond the manual Ferrera, or, you know, it’s like, they’re just a couple that everybody recognizes.

And then the other guys are just, you know, you don’t hear a lot about them. And so I’ve gone out of my way to really spotlight male talent and the two requirements, generally, first of all, they have to be respectful of women, you know, in their really work for and their performances. And second of all, well, it kind of helps if they’re hot.

The reason mean isn’t my readers are women and they’re looking for, you know, who do you know, who, whose name do I look for when I’m buying a video? You know, what do I, I look for that download what guy do I want to see? And, you know, so yes, you know, it’s like, I’ve interviewed Joshua Lewis as well. The younger performers I’ve interviewed Dante Cole. It was just skyrocketing with his career.

I’ve interviewed Nathan Bronson, you know, I’ve interviewed brick Cummings who is an up and coming African-American gentleman. And my

Speaker 1 (20m 48s): Next one is

Speaker 2 (20m 48s): Very interesting. Yes, yes. And my next one is Darryl Jones who was actually very interesting. He’s an Instagram model and a fitness star who has just started and only fans. And he’s also going into hardcore, you know, with his movies. And so, yeah, as far it’s a little different with the men because I like to provide the ladies willful little fantasy, you know, I like to, you know, I always liked run very, a lot, you know, maybe more pictures of the men and maybe a little bit more tastefully revealing, you know, and because there’s just, I know DAMA hooped with the sexpert, a fantastic lady and doctor Dr.

Ava, Cadell’s ahead. And I just interviewed her today. She’s fantastic. You know, domino, she was telling me, she said, you know, I don’t think anybody else’s doing what you do, you know? And I got to thinking, you know, maybe she’s right, because there are very few women who go out of their way to interview the male talent from a woman’s perspective. You know, they might interview the male talent there, but it’s usually a lot of guys saying, so dude, what’s it like to, you know, work with so-and-so or it wasn’t get to get to them, all these beautiful ladies, male, high fives.

Speaker 1 (22m 22s): I know

Speaker 2 (22m 23s): With me, what I want to know is yeah. Yeah. And with me, what I want to know is, you know, how do you treat women on set? Do you like, you know, how do you please your female talent, you know, what female directors do you like to work with? And, you know, what would you like to say to your audience? You know, how, how do you want the word, the ladies in, you know? And so, yeah, I think, you know, that was something very different and, and little scandal, us women.

Yes. I’ve interviewed everybody from orotic authors, like Laurell K Hamilton, you know, to film directors like Erica lust. I recently interviewed the legendary high of patiently. Who’s a good friend of mine. And a lot of people wondering what happened to her and she’s actually a very, she’s no longer in the adult, but she has a native string kind of like a self motivation program. And, you know, she is really into wellness and healing and she looks exactly like she did when she makes movies, when she made her movies not changed a bit.

And, and I’m going to be Dr. Amy codel and yes,

Speaker 1 (23m 38s): That’s awesome. Did you ever, you were speaking of male talent. Did you enter ever interview porno Dan?

Speaker 2 (23m 45s): No, I haven’t.

Speaker 1 (23m 47s): Oh, he’s awesome. He’s been on, he’s been on my podcast and he’s fantastic and I believe very respectful to women. So yes, yes. That’s my, my perception, not that I watched much of his content, but knowing the guy. Yeah. I know he’s a, and he’s a wonderful person. So how do you hope to bridge the gap between porn and erotica?

Speaker 2 (24m 14s): Well, you know, I would like to see more filmed adaptions of erotic stories and novels. And I have seen a little bit of that in the work of like for Adam and Eve, you know, like with the K brand, you know, and Selena KIPP, interestingly enough, Selena kit was a Playgirl posse girl. She was the Playgirl fan back on the day, you know?

Yes, yes. And I know that at sure. You know, we have some wonderful Radek authors and yeah. So what I would like, I would like to see more filmed adaptions, our Veronica, and, you know, also I would just like to see, you know, more of like a literary bench and some of the films, you know, more of a story and more unique and diverse and woman friendly stories.

Like, you know, I would love to see, I mean, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that there was this production by vivid, like yeah. Way back in the nineties called immortal desire. I believe it was Phillip Christian. It was starting Jerry pike and Sarah Jane Hamilton. And it was like, it was a time travel, historical romance. It was beautiful. It’s one of the most beautiful love stories I’ve ever seen on film. And it was a vivid production, you know, it was a vivid visuals production.

And so I’m thinking, you know, why don’t we see more of that today? You know, it’s like, I would love to go down.

Speaker 1 (25m 56s): I know I th I think there’s a few, there’s a few independent producers who do that type of thing. Junk productions is one. And I think that you’re starting to see more of it. So

Speaker 2 (26m 12s): Yes, yes, yes. Another thing I would like to see is a, in terms of, you know, some of the mail, I like going back to that, the male talent to be more showcased for the female view, you know, because I know that we did that with Playgirl where they would have the men’s names first and that they would have the, the focus on the men and there, and also with the impulse, which a Lily had afterglow was actually back some of the impulse titles I’m very excited about, but yeah, I mean that, that’s something we really need more of, I believe.

And so I can watch it, but

Speaker 1 (26m 57s): For

Speaker 2 (26m 57s): The ladies out there just more showcased titles with the women, more focused on the men.

Speaker 1 (27m 4s): Absolutely. So now you said you’re particularly interested in giving women more of a voice in the industry. In what way is that?

Speaker 2 (27m 14s): Yes. Well, I really want to hear more of what women want. I want to hear more from female audience members as to what they like in particular, I would love to see more writers and critics, and of course, more directors and producers. And I also would like to hear more of a voice in terms of obviously safety and consent onset, you know, because when we consider the fact that, you know, it seems like there are certain people that are discussed that will say, well, you know, he doesn’t treat the women well, or he did the boom.

The guy just keeps working on the industry year after year after year. And, you know, it seems like with the me too movement, it has infiltrated the industry a little bit, but not that much. It seems like, you know, no, absolutely you’re right. You’re right. Because, you know, we’ll hear accusations, we’ll hear detailed stories, similar stories from a lot of women that if it was any other industry, he’d be turned out on his ear, you know, by now, you know, but it seems like an adult.

Yes, that’s right. That’s right. And you know, it just, it’s just barely grazing the surface. And I just want to get to a point where every woman can feel comfortable and safe onset and that there’s more advocacy. And then if something goes wrong, but they have somebody to turn to and that they feel like they have agency. They don’t just feel like, well, gosh, I’m not going to get my rent paid if I don’t go along with this.

So I’ll just say I had a good experience. That’s got gotta stop. You know, ultimately the most important voice to me is to ensure safety and consent.

Speaker 1 (29m 16s): So Megan, what’s your idea of the perfect women’s porn.

Speaker 2 (29m 22s): I believe that it is a production in which the woman’s pleasure and comfort are emphasized. I believe that it is something and which of the attractiveness of the male stars is emphasized and let you actually see them. I know that coral and Juul, you know, she had a brilliant quote. She was like, well, sometimes we’re up there. You can’t tell what we’re F you know, we don’t know what word, you know, you can’t even see the men or, you know, and so to me, it would be something that has a good story of that has some romance and powered woman, beautiful man, and something that a woman, you know, will want to return just like she might pick up her favorite romance novel again.

And again, this is a movie that she will want to watch again and again, and that she can think about and, and smile, you know, after she’s seen it

Speaker 1 (30m 28s): Makes sense. So what concerns do you have about modern porn?

Speaker 2 (30m 35s): Again, I’m concerned about the extreme roughness. I’m concerned about the prevalence of roughness, even in mainstream titles, sometimes with no warning of the content, you know, I’m concerned about onset conditions and you know, that definitely I do have a lot of concerns. And other than that also, you know, I would love to, it seemed like we had almost like a Renaissance when I think about the work of everyone from, you know, candida Royale, you know, to even some of the male directors like Michael Nan, you know, I mean, it seemed like for a while, they were really producing these just almost like masterpieces of adult, you know, am I know that that is for journey.

You know, I know that you do see some very, like with the protections of Angie, Roundtree, and Shaw and all the people that we’ve mentioned. And of course, with the Cayden cross, you know, with the deeper, you know, and Vixen, you know, I realized that that is returning, you know, but because to me, that’s, what’s sexy, you know, to me, it’s not just about seeing a bunch of bodies, you know, kind of going at each other. To me, it’s more like the style and with glamour Lily, I really like,

Speaker 1 (32m 8s): I agree. It would be nice to see. It would definitely be nice to see how do you hope to build more of a network among women and porn?

Speaker 2 (32m 18s): Well, you know, to me, it’s something that I’m very excited about and it’s just like I was discussing on the phone with Angie Roundtree the other day. It’s almost like we’re building a fortress, you know, in terms of when I see more and more women that are getting active. And when from a personal standpoint, when I’m able to, when I see collaborations have been formed and when I can say, okay, you know, I have a friend who is really interested in writing, she should get hooked up with this director.

Or I have a friend who, you know, has a concern. I should get her hooked up with someone who will listen, you know, to that concern. And, you know, I can tell that with the directors that I’ve talked to with the actresses and the writers and the content creators, we are just film, we’re forming more of a network and I can just see our strength rising in numbers. And for me, I would love to see, I mean, I know that Angie has ethical porn, you know, I definitely want to do more work in that area.

Also, I would love to bring back feminist for free expression, the pink ladies. I know that the higher patient, she sent me an honorary pink ladies button online and, you know, just more advocacy and just more of a network. I mean, I love it when, like my friend Holly, you know, who does the parties by Bella’s, you know, she was looking for some models to do, you know, documentaries about.

And so I got her on an email chain, you know, with Lily and porcelain, and I’m like, Hey, sister, friends, come here circle, you know, like Holly needs, Holly need some talent, you know, to showcase and her new documentary series. And so immediately willing for we’re like, yes, we’d love to participate. You know? And so

Speaker 1 (34m 36s): It’s

Speaker 2 (34m 36s): About partnerships.

Speaker 1 (34m 37s): Those two are those two, definitely those two, sorry, those two, we seem to have a delay. Those two, those two, definitely our, our doers big time coral and, and Lilly.

Speaker 2 (34m 51s): Yes, yes, absolutely. And delightful and yeah. You know, and we’re referring, like, if I am talking to like, you know, Rebecca Vanguard or Avery Jane, you know, just about making it a little, you know, like just about making connections, making things happen. Oh, I know this lady is doing this. And I was that, you know, to me, it’s a network. And also when I posted on my phone, the sexpert Twitter, you know, about during award season with Angie got a big expos nomination and Balisa house, of course, fantastic.

Jackie St. James, they were getting all these nominations and after Glenn, you know, was getting nominations for, and also foreplay and go winters, you know, all of these women, you know, scoring big nominations, you know, for the sites. And I just printed and flush erotica, you know, Stacey while. And so I just did a list of that in one tweet. And I said, the sisterhood is strong and that’s what it’s all about.

Speaker 1 (35m 60s): You sound like, you sound like the, you definitely sound like the ringleader there.

Speaker 2 (36m 5s): Oh, thank you. I will be honored, honored to think. So I tell you, and that’s why I’m here. And yeah, that’s what I try, you know, just to bring everybody together, you know, and there’s always strength in numbers. And so yes, I always say to the revolution is live.

Speaker 1 (36m 29s): Indeed, indeed. So, so tell us about some of your other non adult projects.

Speaker 2 (36m 36s): Yes. Well, you know, I do quite a bit of journalism, you know, I do quite a bit of journalistic writing. I do a lot of feminist advocacy. I’ve also been a column host for legendary women magazine. And I’m the co-host of the lavender ladies podcast with my friend Margaret Bates. And so yes, I do a lot of feminist advocates of advocacy, especially on behalf of, you know, rape and domestic violence survivors.

And the email I write about issues, you know, I have some political causes and I actually got a certificate of appreciation from a statewide domestic violence awareness board and it’s sexual assault for it, for some of my coverage. And so, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’m very active in journalism advocacy, also marketing writing, you know, I do quite a bit of like in terms of product descriptions, press releases, you know, things like that.

And I also, I write some sweet romance to, you know, because I always wanted to write something that my family could read when my parents were still alive, that they could read, you know, with my nephews and nieces, my, you know, that I just really felt like, you know, I wanted them to be able to enjoy some of my work, you know, and they would put it on their brief, you know, put it on their bookcase, you know?

So,

Speaker 1 (38m 22s): Yeah. So you’re, yeah. You don’t want your family in Indiana reading too much of the hot sticky stuff, I guess. Huh?

Speaker 2 (38m 30s): No, I tell you, it was funny for Christmas for one year. I actually gave my mom a copy of a sweet romance book of what I had written and thank God I actually looked at it on Christmas Eve before I wrapped it, because there was a title page, you know, they’ll have the title of the book and limits and to read the other titles by Megan Hussey. And then it had all these body books that I had written.

I saw that. And I swear, I just ripped out with title.

Speaker 1 (39m 12s): Yeah. We don’t win a one to, we don’t want mom from Indiana having a heart attack.

Speaker 2 (39m 17s): No, no, I didn’t want to be responsible.

Speaker 1 (39m 22s): Exactly. So what are your future plans for a sexpert.com?

Speaker 2 (39m 29s): Well, actually today I got the very kind invitation from Dr. Ava Cadelle herself to actually participate in her love biology university. And through my studies there, I will be able to become a certified sex coach and also to teach biology and also maybe to do some media, you know, for that.

And again, you know, what I really want to emphasize through there is also, you know, of course, you know, helping women who maybe have trouble with their sexuality of, because of past trauma or abuse and also in general, just helping women to enjoy in general, to not be ashamed, you know, and to enjoy their sexuality more in whatever way they choose, you know, if they want to write if they want to perform or if they just want to enjoy a good porno, you know, the, and also I want to give them lots of, I’m actually working on a directory of fem porn, you know, to let ladies know about these titles.

And so I figure the Laos, of course eventually. And the, yeah, so she’s very kindly invited me to come aboard and I’m honored. And so, yes, that’s an exclusive, cause I just found out a few hours ago that I’d be doing this.

Speaker 1 (41m 0s): Fantastic. Well, congratulations. So, so how can people find you? How can people find you online?

Speaker 2 (41m 7s): Yes. Well, you can see my work@sexfora.com. You can see my work that S S S h.com. You know, you can, I have a website for my erotic writing and now my titles are available on Amazon. You can also find me@httpcolondoubleslashgoldenmusedottripod.com.

And also most of my titles these days are available through satin romance, which is a division of Milan or Milan publications. And then of course also I have some, you know, I have some filmed, well, you know, the works that I have written the screenplays for at blush erotica. And I’m also going to be doing some erotic writing for their site as well, because they have a whole thing, you know, for a writer writing

Speaker 1 (42m 9s): Fabulous. Well, Megan, I’d really like to thank you for being our guests today and adults. I broke her talk and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again really soon.

Speaker 2 (42m 19s): Oh, absolutely. Well, thank you so much for this opportunity, Bruce. It’s been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (42m 24s): Thank you. The pleasure was all mine. My broker tip today is part seven of what to do to make your site more valuable. For one, you decide to sell it later. Let’s talk about some of the factors that influence the sale price of a website. Number one is always profit. It will be a multiple of the profit and that multiple is based on whether the profit is trending up or trending down and how fast it’s trending up or down. I’ve seen valuations of as much as five times, although that’s very rare. Normally it’s in the two and a half to four times area.

I’ve also seen valuations of one time. If the profit is taking a nosedive, if a site hasn’t been monetized, then it’s all about the amount and the quality of the traffic. If a sale is based on traffic, it will be a multiple of what the traffic would sell for on the open market. What are the sources of traffic direct traffic search engine, traffic and review traffic are the most valuable tube. Traffic, the least valuable is the traffic reliable and sustainable. What is the traffic history?

In a rare case, the valuation will be based upon revenue. The same factors apply to that as to profit and the valuations will of course be lower than those of profits. How hold is the website? Is the website at.com or something else? Dot com is still king. How many inbound links are there? How much staff does it take to run the site? How many email addresses do you have in the case of a dating site? This is very important. Another factor can be the reverse engineering cost.

How much would it cost to build a site from scratch and drive the same amount of traffic to it, and how much time would be involved? What’s the lifetime value of a customer on the site next week, how to buy a website and next week we’ll be speaking with therapist team, Stephanie and Fox of Evolve Your Intimacy. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Megan Hussey.

And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

Speaker 1 (0s): This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what’s going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we’ll be speaking with Brittany Wilson of the Dungeon Store.

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Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today, the adult side broker talk is Brittany Wilson of the dungeon store. Brittany, thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk.

Speaker 3 (2m 38s): Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (2m 40s): It’s a pleasure. Now, Brittany is a second generation pleasure products. Professional try saying that three times with a passion for education, knowledge and creation. Wilson became shipping products for her family business, helping prepare for shows and became friends with associates in the business, building a foundation of professional relationships for years to come crafts people in the leather community. Aren’t just your peers, but they close friends and family. When the family brand violet one store rebranded as the dungeon store, Wilson took the reins of social media and started new campaigns.

When the dungeon store acquired split peaches, silicone toys, Wilson took it upon herself to learn how to mix and pour the platinum safe dildos and toys. She would go on to be the face of the business and is often found working the dungeon store booth at leather BDSM and lifestyle events across the United States. She’s a marketing and business professional with dedication above and beyond the nine to five work week. And that’s proven by the fact it’s 9:00 PM where she is now. The Dundrum store is a female owned and operated pleasure products, business priding itself on a curated collection of BDSM gearing, kinky toys, mostly sourced and created by fetish professionals in the United States.

Most of the floggers violent wand, associates, accessories, and paddles are made by hand by experienced crafts people in the BDSM scene. And I’m sorry, Brittany. That’s all the time we have today. So How did the dungeon store gets started?

Speaker 3 (4m 15s): But Dennis story got started as violet Juan store and violet long store got started by my mother, actually her and her business partner saw, you know, a market gap. They saw this like fetish toy that wasn’t getting. I don’t know, it wasn’t, it wasn’t getting the attention and the claim that they felt that it deserved. And her business partner had a bit of a background in electrical understanding and electric engineering, which is why we hand-make all of our accessories.

In-house because you do need to have an understanding of electric electricity and how violet ones work and how current works to make them safely. And so they stepped into that market space and it did not take very long for, you know, expansion expansion happens in business. And so it was violet lawns and then it was violent lawns and floggers, and it was by once floggers and paddles and violent ones. Foggers paddles and glass toys, violent ones, paddles floggers glass toys and sounds and medical.

And now we really just stay on the spectrum of mild to wild. And it’s a fun phrase, but I mean, that, that was seven. I, you know, I’ve given you 17 years in a soundbite, so

Speaker 2 (5m 33s): Very good. That’s how we like it. Okay. So, okay. I’m ignorant. Okay. I really don’t know anything about the BDSM lifestyle or anything like that, personally. What is, what is a violent one?

Speaker 3 (5m 48s): So I’m going to go ahead and make a small correction. A violet. We sell violet like the color walls. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (5m 53s): Yeah. I say that sometimes it comes out violent. I’m sorry.

Speaker 3 (5m 57s): That’s all good. It’s all good. It’s a common misconception. That’s a common mistake. I only correct it cause it makes people more fearful of, and I am trying to sell a fantasy, not a nightmare, violent ones use static electricity to create an arcane spark, which some people find pleasurable in their bedroom activities the way it’s. So it’s a, it’s a service current. You, if you’ve ever like pulled a muscle in your back, you may have used a tens unit where you put the pads on and there’s a sub muscular current that goes back and forth across the pads, which alleviates like muscle pain, joint pain, right.

A violet wand is a service current. So it’s on top of your skin. It’s done far more tactilely.

Speaker 2 (6m 44s): Okay.

Speaker 3 (6m 46s): And it’s funny, it gets this reputation as being kind of like an edge play toy gets this reputation as being violent and, and intense And that’s, and that’s why I like to correct people. Cause I am trying to, you know, we’re trying to break stigmas in the year of our Lord 2022, we’re breaking stigmas, but it’s mostly a sensation toy. Of course you can, you can use it for, to light fire ones and for fireplace and you can use it for prominent skin brands, if you are so inclined.

And I sell the things to do those things, don’t get me wrong, but you can also use it for more intense tickling for sensual massages. You can use it in so many other ways. It really is one of the most versatile BDSM, a Kusama that, that you can, that you can own.

Speaker 2 (7m 33s): Hmm. What, what percentage of your businesses is a violent wants?

Speaker 3 (7m 39s): It varies year over year. I find that it’s, it’s really kind of a boom and a bus cycle because there will come a point at events that we’ve done for years and years for the record, we are mostly an events based business or we’re pre COVID. Now we’re, you know, events online, wholesale, whatever, but pre COVID, what could, what would happen is it would be a top seller like an absolute 77 show. 90% of the show event would be violet won sales, but enough years of the same event with that, you hit a saturation point and then it’s the accessories.

And then enough new people show up at that event that it goes back to being 70%, 90%. And it’s just kind of this endless cycle. As people continue to get into BDSM, as people continue to be exposed, it’s just always going to be a, it’s always going to be a new thing or a thing that people are adding to.

Speaker 2 (8m 33s): Got it. Got it. So how did you get involved in the company?

Speaker 3 (8m 37s): Well, I don’t know if you’ve ever had a parent own a small business, but I swear to God it’s like living in the middle ages where people have children to work the farm. So I stopped. I started

Speaker 2 (8m 49s): Doing

Speaker 3 (8m 52s): Better. It’s better than tilling the land. I got to tell you,

Speaker 2 (8m 55s): I will take

Speaker 3 (8m 56s): Counting boxes over till the earth.

Speaker 2 (8m 59s): No kidding.

Speaker 3 (9m 2s): So when I was of the age of consent, the majority, you know, for, for legal reasons, I would help with the back office stuff. I helped with inventory reconciliation on like orders that she ever, that my mother received. I helped pack shows. I helped load shows into cars to be driven or pack the boxes to be shipped. I helped unload all of those things like I’d started with back office stuff,

Speaker 2 (9m 32s): Manual labor, in other words.

Speaker 3 (9m 34s): Exactly, exactly. And the thing of it is you do enough of the, like I called it bitch work, but sure. We can say manual labor.

Speaker 2 (9m 41s): Of course we can say, we can say anything we want on his podcast for as long as we want it. Okay. Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (9m 49s): And you do bitch work long enough. I wanted to go to events. I wanted to go do the fun part because I’m doing the grueling stuff. I want to go like play dress up and talk to strangers and do the fun stuff. And so once I was of the age where that is acceptable, you know, and not a lawsuit I did and I fell in love with it entirely. I, I love what I do. I think I’m very fortunate that I got to fall in love with my job at 18 years old.

Speaker 2 (10m 17s): That’s awesome. Yeah. I can hear the passion. I could definitely hear the passion. Talk about the evolution and he would know about this cause your mom was in the business before. Talk about the evolution of the pleasure products industry as it relates to BDSM products.

Speaker 3 (10m 34s): Well, it’s, it’s pretty funny because this has been a really interesting time starting, I would say 10 years ago, because for a really long time, the BDSM world existed on the fringes. It was the underground. You couldn’t find it with a map, right? You had to know somebody who knew somebody, five people had to vouch for you. There was a very extensive vetting process because the biggest fear they did the word for it then was being outed.

And now we know it as doxing, but it’s the same fear that your private life will cease to be private and through the rise of acceptance and reducing a state bus, but also low as I am to say this through the popularity of 50 shades of gray, the framework in which we have, these conversations has changed now 50 shades of gray created a very interesting kind of circumstance, right?

Because you had a lot of people who definitely had limited scope interest of getting involved in BDSM, but who also had been sold a fantasy and had a lot of interest in buying that fantasy. Now the fantasy by the way is not that you get tied up and fucked. The fantasy is that a rich man steals you away from your problems. You don’t have to be having kinky sex to one, a rich man to steal you away from your problems.

Speaker 2 (12m 2s): This is true.

Speaker 3 (12m 3s): Like that’s not who, who wouldn’t want that, but because you know, those fantasies it’s the same.

Speaker 2 (12m 9s): Okay. I’m S I’m straight and I wouldn’t mind myself. So going on.

Speaker 3 (12m 12s): Yeah, no. I mean, literally, I don’t know a single person, if I was a rich man, we’ll steal you away from your problems would be like, no, I like problems. No, you fucking don’t don’t lie. Like they don’t. And there’s not a lot of problems that like more money could not at the very least alleviate stress of. So, yeah, but it created this interesting, like influx of new people who just had so many questions and also so little interests, same time. Interesting. And so it was really the, the, the growth of the more vanilla products being part of the more mainstream conversation, like sure.

Vibrators and dildos have been around literally since the Dawn of creation, but you’ve got like Gwenyth Paltrow making crystal dildos on a Netflix show. Like you didn’t, you weren’t going to have that before 50 shades of gray that wasn’t going to be,

Speaker 2 (13m 6s): You know, I’d say, I’d say, I’d say Glen with is a joke, except she makes too much money to be a joke. So anyway, go ahead. Yes.

Speaker 3 (13m 12s): She’s laughing at her own jokes all the way to the bank, her nice Swiss bank accounts, laughing

Speaker 2 (13m 16s): At the jokes.

Speaker 3 (13m 19s): No, literally. So it’s been an interesting evolution because with an influx of those people, there’ve been an influx of products for those people, but at the same time, it’s created the opportunity for more R and D on the higher end for the pre-existing community. And so it’s, anytime you have an influx of new people to a community, it’s an opportunity for that community. Even if those people are temporary tourists and voyeurs, it’s still an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (13m 48s): So suffice to say suffice, to say that the 50 shades of gray helped your industry.

Speaker 3 (13m 56s): I was going to help the industry as a whole overall, I would say it had an overall net positive benefit to the industry as a whole. I also think in a, in outside of the spectrum of products for a minute, just the spectrum of, of people, it really helped start conversations about negotiation and consent outside of the BDSM community, Which is really important because we take that very seriously. And it it’s a, it’s a refreshing change of pace, right?

Like I, I am a millennial woman. I got to tell you that no one was talking about negotiation and consent. When I was in high school, taking sex ed, that was not a conversation that anyone was telling us we’re supposed to be having. And now that’s, that’s part of that’s part of sex. Ed. That’s a core fundamental is, Hey, we have to talk about what we’re going to do. We have to make sure that everybody’s on the same page. The definition of consent has changed.

Speaker 2 (14m 51s): Definition

Speaker 3 (14m 52s): Of consent used to be, she didn’t scream. No. And now the definition of consent is enthusiastic. Verbal affirmation.

Speaker 2 (15m 0s): That’s a totally

Speaker 3 (15m 1s): Different

Speaker 2 (15m 1s): And needless to stay, say, as a boomer, it wasn’t in my sex ed either.

Speaker 3 (15m 6s): I don’t know for sure you guys had sex ed. Cause I got to tell you the joke I always make. Cause our grandmothers learned sex ed from their boyfriend, their husbands, which is why our mothers got it in school, which is why we now have to learn BDSM from our friends.

Speaker 2 (15m 19s): I love it. I love it. So what items does the dungeon store distribute as opposed to selling directly to the consumer?

Speaker 3 (15m 29s): A lot of the stuff we distribute is also available on our website and you just won’t find it at events. But the biggest thing I can think of is we have a very robust like puppy play line that is available on our website. It just doesn’t get picked up for purchase right off often there, but we wholesale it.

Speaker 2 (15m 48s): Okay. You called it. You called it. You called it puppy play line.

Speaker 3 (15m 52s): Yeah. Puppy play. So

Speaker 2 (15m 55s): This has nothing to do with dogs obviously, right?

Speaker 3 (15m 58s): No that’s BS. You don’t do that. Animals and children cannot give informed consent.

Speaker 2 (16m 4s): No, I, I knew that. I knew, I knew that I knew the answer to that, but it was a good joke. So anyway,

Speaker 3 (16m 9s): It’s a great joke. It’s a great joke. Unfortunately, I ha I did want to do an interview with someone who proceeded to Ben talk about beastiality. So I’ve got to be really quick.

Speaker 2 (16m 18s): Yeah, I would. Yeah. I would not talk to anyone like that for sure.

Speaker 3 (16m 24s): No, no, it was not. It was not ideal. But are you familiar with puppy play at all? Do you want me to

Speaker 2 (16m 31s): Please explain?

Speaker 3 (16m 32s): So puppy play is very popular in the gay community. However, there is nothing that precludes everyone else from participating. And there are puppies. There are pups across the entire spectrum of LGBTQ and BDSM. And poppy play is people who feel a strong affinity towards being a dog. And there’s different breeds. Some identify as a golden retriever, some identify as Labradors, some identify as German shepherds, great Danes, pugs, corgis.

What have you? And you wear it. You wear a hood shaped like a dog said, you wear a tail which can either a fixed to your belt or be part of a plug. You have myths on your front, on your hands that turn them into effectively paws, very often kneepads. And you go into pubs, pup, Headspace, which is like subspace. So you’re, it’s very, you know, you’re a dog. You’re not in charge.

It’s a variation of subspace and there’s a lot of puppy players have packs. So there’s an alpha and a beta and so on and so forth. I don’t know all the Greek letters of PacLife. I only know my Greek letters for COVID variations. I don’t know them

Speaker 2 (17m 51s): For

Speaker 3 (17m 52s): Personality types. And it’s, it’s a very, it’s a, it’s a fun community. Honestly. I

Speaker 2 (17m 58s): Love

Speaker 3 (17m 59s): Oh, there, oh, they’re a trip. Oh, they’re the best. They are the best

Speaker 2 (18m 3s): I, because

Speaker 3 (18m 3s): Who doesn’t love dogs. Right? Like they are people

Speaker 2 (18m 6s): I told you before the interview, I have six and a, I just saw a picture of you with a dog. So there you go. We love dogs.

Speaker 3 (18m 13s): Exactly. So people who are like dogs, they are, they are loving, loyal, helpful. They’re ideal. They’re awesome. Fucking level. But so we don’t, we don’t sell a lot of pop stuff on the website just because percentage wise it doesn’t, it is a small community, but we sell a lot of it in distribution. We sell more sounds in distribution. Interestingly enough, then we sell on the website or at events. Are you familiar with sounds,

Speaker 2 (18m 41s): You’re going to have to educate me on everything.

Speaker 3 (18m 43s): Okie dokie sounds are for penis urethral, insertion.

Speaker 2 (18m 51s): Ah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. How has the market for violent? See, I did the violent again. Violet ones evolved.

Speaker 3 (19m 1s): I would say it’s grown. It’s also interestingly enough. So it’s grown by leaps and bounds and part of why it has grown in leaps and bounds is because there are two types of violet ones. However, until that 10 to 20 years ago, there was only one type. So there was one type a, which has been, which will be called Tesla, electromechanical, wax core wax, capacitor, a traditional old style.

What have you? And then 10 to 20 years ago, I’m a little shaky on the exact year, just by virtue of being a minor. When this happened there S state version came on the scene and that cut the price somewhere between in half and by two thirds.

Speaker 2 (19m 55s): Wow. So what’s the, so what’s the difference between these two products

Speaker 3 (20m 0s): Straight out now, intensity, that being said, there are a lot of solid states on the market. You can get one from Amazon for a hundred dollars and then you have a hundred dollar thing. Bear in mind, it’s it’s counterpart is like $600. So this is kind of one of those moments where you get exactly what you paid for. And the thing is yes. So the way that their internal mechanisms work is different.

Electromechanical is a mechanical device. It has moving internal parts. It’s why it has a much higher output. Solid state is in a solid state. I don’t know how much you know about computers, but it’s like a solid drive. So

Speaker 2 (20m 43s): I know, I do know that. Yes.

Speaker 3 (20m 47s): So

Speaker 2 (20m 48s): I noticed something,

Speaker 3 (20m 49s): I believe. I think, you know, a lot of things,

Speaker 2 (20m 52s): To be honest

Speaker 3 (20m 53s): At the very least the best place to find dogs in Thailand, it turns out your front door. So solid state is in a solid state. It’s a much simpler device. Now it’s out and out. Raw output is less than electromechanical. I will not lie to you about that. Right? That being said, I sell a solid state one. That’s powerful enough to light a firewall or permanently brand someone’s skin. And I don’t know what people are doing that is more powerful than that, but I’m not entirely sure I should be helping to facilitate it at a certain time.

Speaker 2 (21m 25s): You are, you are correct. You are correct. Well, I’m sure there’s lots of terms and conditions on the website. You must, I’m sure you I’m sure you’ve got wonderful lawyers. How long have solid state lawns been around and what should retailers be looking for when buying them for their store?

Speaker 3 (21m 44s): Like I said, they’ve been around 10 to 20 years. I’m a little, I’m a little shaky on that. Exact, I want to say about 15, but that’s really just splitting the difference. I would say they got good in the last 12 years. I would say the first two years, they weren’t that good. They weren’t worth buying, but in the last 12, I would say they’ve gotten really good. And I think what you should look for is first of all, I think that for something like a violet wand, what retailers should look for is that the sales person knows what they’re talking about.

If they can’t tell you what makes theirselves say on different, if they can’t quote some specs, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t trust that person. And I think that that applies to the sale of all things. Not for nothing for solid state. You should look for as a, as a retailer, you should be looking for ones that they guarantee what’s called the call it size, which is where the accessories fit into the device.

Speaker 2 (22m 46s): Okay.

Speaker 3 (22m 47s): Because hypothetic, most solid states come with, it’s a universal call. It, there are a couple that don’t have the same college. If your college is out of variation with everybody, else’s, you’re going to have a problem. If you try to wholesale, if you try to distribute other accessories, you’re going to end up jammed up on, well, we sell this device and these accessories for this device, but they don’t fit this device.

Speaker 2 (23m 12s): None of them, none of them fit together.

Speaker 3 (23m 14s): Right. Right. So here are multiple pieces from different jigsaw puzzles, best of luck.

Speaker 2 (23m 21s): Have a nice time doing the puzzle,

Speaker 3 (23m 23s): Right. Would that be cash or card? Like that’s not, not an ideal circumstance to find yourself in.

Speaker 2 (23m 31s): No, exactly.

Speaker 3 (23m 33s): So that would be what I would look for.

Speaker 2 (23m 35s): Okay. Now talking about your, your violet lawn, et cetera, right? This time, your violet wallet, accessories, what makes these different from what would be found online? Well, let’s just say at, at Amazon or other stores and what dispart gapping for safety mean,

Speaker 3 (23m 54s): I’m so happy you asked about spar. So first of all, before we get into spark optics, spark gabbing for safety, what makes our accessories different and low? The might’ve say better, but if the shoe fits is we have, what’s called a dual purpose handle, which means that all of our accessories that fit in the wand can also be used outside of the wand with what’s called a body contact cable, no body contact cable allowed.

I was about to tell, I wasn’t even gonna ask this time

Speaker 2 (24m 29s): Because you knew I had no idea didn’t you?

Speaker 3 (24m 31s): Yep. I’ve gotten I’ve, I’ve gotten the memo. I understand where we’re

Speaker 2 (24m 34s): At

Speaker 3 (24m 36s): Body contact cable fits in the wand and then attaches to either the top or the bottom. And it allows for skin to skin shocking because it electrifies, whoever is strapped to the, to the wand. So it means that everywhere from the tip of your nose to the tips of your toes is conductive, which also means anything metal that you pick up and touch will also conduct electricity.

Speaker 2 (25m 2s): Okay.

Speaker 3 (25m 3s): So our dual purpose handles, you can hold in your hand and use that way opposed to just fitting in the wand and how their spark app ties directly into that. You want a spark app for safety to make sure that the grounding is secure to make sure that the, to make sure that there’s not going to be errant electricity cause of surprise, Aron electricity is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (25m 32s): Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. I do know enough about electricity to know that, and I know that you need a ground. So how do you, how do you get in a situation where there’s grounding

Speaker 3 (25m 44s): By virtue of being a surface current? And so by virtue of being a service current, the one that is basically self grounding.

Speaker 2 (25m 51s): Oh, that’s good. That’s good. That’s, that’s definitely safe.

Speaker 3 (25m 55s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (25m 56s): That’s the idea.

Speaker 3 (25m 58s): Cause it’s, cause it’s S it’s all based on complete completion of a circuit. So when you are the conductor and you touch something metal, and then you use that metal thing to talk to someone else, like you’ve completed the circuit and that’s how it goes.

Speaker 2 (26m 11s): Okay. Okay, man, you need an advanced degree in electronics to do your job. So how far away should electronics like cell phones, tablets, and computers be from a violet lawn when shooting a video. And is this something that’s practical for camming or shooting clips?

Speaker 3 (26m 31s): I have definitely known people to shoot clips of violet wands. And I got to tell you sometimes I think that they did it by sacrificing a Virgin goat at the nexus of a full moon in terms of safety for electronics. So long as you don’t shock any electronics directly, you’re going to be fine. I wear a watch every day in my life that I do my job. I could, I attach a body contact, able to the same arm that the smartwatch is on. I’ve never had a problem.

My phone is normally in my pocket or clip to my skirt. You want to make sure that you don’t shock any electric, any electronic device directly? Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (27m 11s): Probably be a really good idea.

Speaker 3 (27m 13s): I will also, oh, real quick, real quick. Cause we, we, we kind of glossed over this, but I do want to give a little safety warning on violet ones. You cannot use them safely. If you have a pacemaker defibrillator, cochlear implant or insulin pump, because all of those things

Speaker 2 (27m 33s): Will

Speaker 3 (27m 33s): Have their little computer shorted out. Once you get shocked.

Speaker 2 (27m 37s): Yeah. You don’t want to have a, have a pacemaker and have it get shorted out. That’s not

Speaker 3 (27m 42s): Good.

Speaker 2 (27m 44s): I’m not that I’m not that old yet. So that’s a good thing. I know you don’t have to be

Speaker 3 (27m 50s): Old.

Speaker 2 (27m 51s): Yeah, I know. Well, let’s hope. Let’s hope. My dear, I just, just celebrated 64 in October. So a

Speaker 3 (27m 59s): Happy belated.

Speaker 2 (28m 0s): Thank you. Yeah. I’ve got a big one coming up in 2022 for sure. We’ve we’ve noticed you’ve got quite a bit of rope on your site and you’ve focused on rope bondage for shows like for all ICAN and tethered together. How hard is it to get started with Shibari? And as it’s something a performer can do solo on cam,

Speaker 3 (28m 22s): How hard is it to get started with Jabari so long as you have nimble and dextrous fingers, anyone can get into Shibari and patients. Oh, you have to have patience. You got to have

Speaker 2 (28m 33s): Patience.

Speaker 3 (28m 36s): You’ve got to have patience because, eh, but I will say it is one.

Speaker 2 (28m 39s): Yeah. That counts me out to both the fingers and the patient’s counseling.

Speaker 3 (28m 43s): I always

Speaker 2 (28m 47s): Know. And I always tell, I always, I always, I always tell people I’m not a doctor. I don’t need patients. So anyway,

Speaker 3 (28m 53s): Ooh, I like that. I’m going to use that.

Speaker 2 (28m 56s): You, you, you have my, you have my permission to use it

Speaker 3 (28m 59s): Much obliged Sarah, much obliged. So Shibari is, it’s not hard to get into. You just need to study is what it is. It is an art form that requires practice and study as all art forms do. As far as doing it alone, some of the best Shibari I’ve ever seen is self suspension. And in order to do self suspension, you need to know how to do self ties.

Speaker 2 (29m 24s): Sure. You know, I, the first, the first shoot that I ever witnessed was at kink and man, that’s, that’s really interesting. The kind of stuff they do there.

Speaker 3 (29m 39s): Oh, I’m sure.

Speaker 2 (29m 40s): Yeah. Yeah. They did a, they did a live shoot at the, at a party way back when, when, why not had their San Francisco party, we’re talking probably I would say it’s 15 years or so ago. It’s about the time I met my wife because my wife was with me and this poor type, this poor innocent Thai girl is, is, is that this event with me. And she had never seen a live shoot either. And I’m sure I’m sure that got her attention for sure.

Speaker 3 (30m 13s): Ah, that’s how you want to re well, we know you didn’t win her over with your nimble fingers.

Speaker 2 (30m 17s): Well, that damn sure. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I’ll accept that. I’ll accept that. I’ll accept that. What rope do you recommend performers start with and what books do you recommend for bondage?

Speaker 3 (30m 32s): I recommend that everybody starts with MFP because it ties easy. It’s synthetic. So it’s great. Once you hit suspension, it is a very forgiving rope. If you make mistakes while you’re learning.

Speaker 2 (30m 50s): Okay.

Speaker 3 (30m 51s): So I, I think that everyone should start with things that are forgiving. And as far as books go, there’s the two naughty boys books, which are phenomenal too naughty boy, showing you the ropes do not always back on the ropes. And then there’s also Lee Harrington’s books, Shibari you can use and more Shamara you can use. I think that those four books, really some of everything you need to go from an absolute, no nothing. It’s my first day.

How do I tie like a clove hitch basically to pro very proficient clove hitches, the type of night you tie when you’re camping.

Speaker 2 (31m 34s): Ah, see, I’m not one, see, I don’t know camping either. So definitely a Jewish American prince. So, so in, in, in event photos, we’ve seen some items that aren’t on the site like insertable, violet, wand, toys, Shibari rings for suspension and wax play candles. And how does someone order those items from you online?

Speaker 3 (31m 58s): I would strongly recommend that if anyone sees something at an event or an event based picture that they want to order and is not on the site, just drop me an email sales up that I just started.com. There’s always a reason stuff. Isn’t on the site and it has a lot to do with what makes the most sense for some of the small manufacturers we work with. And I’ve got to respect everybody’s map agreements and I’ve, I’ve got to make it work for everybody. So there’s always a reason, but I can sell them to you. It’ll be a direct invoice.

It’ll be an email. I’m the same reputable business. I’m the same person, whether it’s an email in order event based sale. What have you

Speaker 2 (32m 38s): Hold on? Was the company been around by the way?

Speaker 3 (32m 40s): I want to say 19 years

Speaker 2 (32m 42s): As fantastic. That’s that’s quite a legacy.

Speaker 3 (32m 47s): Yes. Yes it is.

Speaker 2 (32m 49s): How involved is your mom in the business today?

Speaker 3 (32m 52s): Still very involved. She definitely runs the finances. Jeez. She’s very, she does the finances. She still does events. She still teaches classes on violet ones. She’s very involved. She just delegates very well.

Speaker 2 (33m 10s): Excellent. How many people in your team?

Speaker 3 (33m 14s): Probably about 15 to various degrees of involvement.

Speaker 2 (33m 20s): Okay. Okay. So tell us a bit about split peaches. How did you acquire the company and will it be expanding this year?

Speaker 3 (33m 29s): So as I said, pre COVID, we were mostly events based sales and then COVID happened. And I don’t know if you saw the news, but there was no such thing as an event of any kind anymore. So in an effort to pivot, we looked to expand and a platinum silicone Dell company that had preexisting wholesale contracts and a great online market space seemed like the way to go. And so that was, that was how we got there.

And it will be expanding in 2022. One of the things to look out for on this pizza site, we’re in the process of completely overhauling it. And we’re going to create a listing for the one-offs there’s of course the dildos that you can always get our rainbow unicorn horns, our bronze Riveters, our silver screw use always available, same colors. We offer everything through different densities, but it’s the same color regardless of the density. We’re also gonna create a listing for some of the more fun ones, the one-offs Hey, what does this color look like in this shape?

Oh, do we like that? Do we not? And so we’re going to really expand in that direction. We’re going to expand. We should have some new shapes out sometime in 2022, which will be, which I’m really excited about. It should be a really great growth potential for the business.

Speaker 2 (34m 48s): Fabulous. Now kinky.com did a nice piece regarding the adjustable strap on harnesses. Tell us a bit about it. And if it’s available for distribution,

Speaker 3 (34m 59s): It’s absolutely available for distribution, virtually everything is available for distribution. I promise. So the cool thing about this strap on harness, how familiar are you with strap-on harnesses?

Speaker 2 (35m 12s): I’m about as familiar as I am with everything else. Although I’ve seen strap on harnesses used before.

Speaker 3 (35m 19s): Okay. So most shop on harnesses have a buckle system. It’s like a belt, right? So you find the loop, that’s the closest to the right side or the, you know, and you put it through, you put the peg through the hole and that’s as close as you get to the right size. And it very often leads to slippage. It leads to poor positioning of both off physical harness in terms of where the weight is distributed on your hips and also where the actual dildo sits on your

Speaker 2 (35m 46s): Body.

Speaker 3 (35m 47s): This harness is designed to it’s. Everything is two D-rings. So it’s a hundred percent adjustable it’s designed to fit everybody instead of just the bodies where the belt is designed to fit. So every single, both, both thighs around the waist is all on 100% adjustable harness, which makes it a much more comfortable fit it’s made of a soft American leather. So it’s not as likely to shave. It’s got three different rings that are interchangeable for various size girth, still dose it’s phenomenally comfortable.

And the face plate behind the dildo is actually also interchangeable. So it comes in black, red, blue, purple, yellow, and orange.

Speaker 2 (36m 34s): Very good. Now you earlier mentioned penis plugs and those things you called sounds. Tell me a little more about how they’re used and are there any risks involved and are they just for penises as opposed to a female’s urethra?

Speaker 3 (36m 51s): So how they’re used with a lot of lube and slowly

Speaker 2 (36m 56s): I hope.

Speaker 3 (36m 57s): Yes. Yes, yes. And you want to always go slow in graduating sizes because there are sounds that come in size based kits and you just want to go very slowly as you increase the size. Yes. Risk factors. So long as everything’s sterile and you go slow and you make sure you’re being smart with your lubrication, fairly negligible as far as BDSM goes. And what was the I’m sorry, what was the third part of the question?

Speaker 2 (37m 27s): How about, are they just for penises or can women use them?

Speaker 3 (37m 31s): I have known women who I have known people with vaginas who have used them

Speaker 2 (37m 40s): Women as opposed to people with vaginas. Okay.

Speaker 3 (37m 43s): Inclusive language. I have no idea with vaginas. Who’ve used them. I generally tend to recommend them for, for use with a penis,

Speaker 2 (37m 53s): But I’m

Speaker 3 (37m 54s): Not

Speaker 2 (37m 54s): That’s, that’s why, that’s why, that’s why they call them the penis plugs. I think

Speaker 3 (37m 59s): I, I’m not the kink police. I’m not going to follow you home and make sure you’re using everything and the way that I think it should be used, it’s your body.

Speaker 2 (38m 6s): Wouldn’t

Speaker 3 (38m 6s): Like,

Speaker 2 (38m 9s): Honestly,

Speaker 3 (38m 9s): I have too many other jobs to also be the kink police and no one likes a narc.

Speaker 2 (38m 14s): Ah, you’re right. You’re right. So what products is your company looking to get out there for this year?

Speaker 3 (38m 20s): Right. I think for this year, what we’re really looking to do for the dungeon store is grow out. What’s called what we call our important collection.

Speaker 2 (38m 29s): Our time

Speaker 3 (38m 29s): Collection is all of the, one of a kind high, more high-end BDSM products. It’s the stuff that you only see at shows. It’s the one of a kind, floggers the one of a kind paddles. And I think we’re really looking to grow that out on the website so that even if you’re not someone who’s going to events for whatever reason, be it safety, be it finance, be it timing, scheduling what have you. You still have the opportunity to buy those things. From what I like to think is a trusted supplier from a real business that has real experience in this very real market space.

Speaker 2 (39m 5s): Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39m 7s): So

Speaker 2 (39m 8s): Makes perfect sense. Well, Hey Brittany, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on adults. I broke her talk and I hope we get a chance to do this again real soon.

Speaker 3 (39m 17s): Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (39m 19s): Thank you. My broker tip today is part six of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, here’s more information on what to give to a potential buyer. How well has your content been protected from piracy and what steps have you taken to protect your content? Are you using a piracy take down or monitoring service? These are important facts to know what promotional tools do you offer to your affiliates? The more tools you offer, the more successful your affiliates will be.

What is your traffic breakdown by country tier one countries like the USA, Canada, the UK, Germany and Australia are the most preferred add in anything else that will add value to the sale of your property that you can think of such as what custom scripts do you use? What content management system software is on your site. Do you use a billing or affiliate software like gnats? What is your retention rate? How you retain your members is of the utmost importance. How many joins and rebuilds do you have per day?

Do you buy advertising? And if so, what kind can your content make more money in the DVD or VOD markets? Or have you already taken advantage of this opportunity? How much did you spend a producer by the content that’s on your site? What do you believe the content is worth now what’s special or different about your website? How is it unique? Make sure and include a list of all the websites you’re selling. In addition to any domains that come along with the sale.

Is there anything that adds value to the sale, provide them with any additional information upon request before giving a buyer, any information, have them sign a nondisclosure agreement. If you use a broker, the NDA will, of course be provided for you. Good brokers like, oh, I don’t know. Adult site broker have a large resource of potential buyers that are looking for properties just like yours. And they know how to deal with potential buyers. They will also negotiate the terms of the sale, such as the price and any payment terms before closing the sale, find a good escrow service to make sure that both the buyer and the seller are protected.

We, those resources, of course, we’ll talk about this subject more next week and next week we’ll be speaking with Megan Hussey, the feminist sex,

Speaker 5 (41m 45s): And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest Brittany Wilson of the Dungeon Store. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman.

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