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Now time for this week's interview. My guest today on adult state broker talk is porn star, Nick Manning. Nick, thanks for being with us today on adult site. Broker talk.
Speaker 2 (2m 33s): Thanks for having me, Bruce.
Speaker 1 (2m 35s): Hey man, it's my pleasure. I've really been looking forward to this. Now tell people about you. Those that don't know Nick is one of the best known porn stars of our time. He is a self-professed sex. God he's made several mainstream appearances, including crank high voltage Hogan knows best in sons of anarchy. He played a strip club owner in the 2011 independent film. Cherry is first non porn lead role in 2014. He was inducted in the AVN hall of fame.
Since then he's entered the apparel business featuring his most popular sayings from his scenes. He's published a biography titled dropping loads, which we'll talk about in a bit. The Nick Manning story he's created NFTs developed multiple fan sites and social media sites shot mainstream movies, like I just mentioned. And he started a podcast called you, guessed it, drop loads with Manning and Mo Nick recently launched a new site. The real Nick manning.com. What I need to know is, is there a, is there a site called the fake Nick manning.com?
Speaker 2 (3m 40s): Well, I mean, you did a really much better job at talking about this than I could. So just keep going.
Speaker 1 (3m 48s): Don't try this at home. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (3m 50s): The only correction is it's just real Nick manning.com. It's not the real,
Speaker 1 (3m 56s): Oh shit. I'm sorry. No,
Speaker 2 (3m 58s): It's okay.
Speaker 1 (3m 59s): Let's try this again. Okay. Nick recently launched a new site, real Nick manning.com. Is that better?
Speaker 2 (4m 6s): Yeah, much better.
Speaker 1 (4m 9s): So there's so is there a fake Nick manning.com out there?
Speaker 2 (4m 13s): I'm sure that there's about 250,000 Nick Manning imposters. I'm sure. I'm not sure what they come up with, but every now and then it's the funniest shit you've ever seen these guys trying to pretend to be me.
Speaker 1 (4m 30s): That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2 (4m 32s): In fact, I wanted to write into the show catfish and just tell them like the things that I know about.
Speaker 1 (4m 40s): I bet. So now you've been known to say that you're frustrated with the lack of professionalism. That's permeated the adult space. And I can't say I disagree with you, but why did you specifically say that?
Speaker 2 (4m 54s): Oh, I mean, isn't it, it's just obvious. I mean, we're understand. I got in the business in 1997 and back then I was a, a mainstream actor and model full time. And they asked me to do a Playgirl. I went and got a play girl, looked at it. I'm like, look, if you want me to sit around the center, fold like a stroke. I'm not doing that. I go, but I notice that in the back of your magazine, you have like a guy fucking a chick, like you'll do that.
I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (5m 32s): So
Speaker 2 (5m 33s): I did one and I went right back to doing like Bally's and men and commercials and Disney print ads. And, and the next year, sure enough, they wanted me to do another one, brought me up to New York. I was living in south beach at the time.
Speaker 1 (5m 48s): Nice
Speaker 2 (5m 49s): Had me fucking other girl and guys like, Hey dude, you're great at this. Like, I'm going to send you out to LA to all my photographer buddies. And you'll be the best thing that ever hit porn from the day you start. So that's what would happen. I'd be shooting Disney. And I was on a TV show in south beach called the fugitive. I was on all my children in New York and they'd fly me out to LA. And I do, you know, four or five different sets a week with like people like Earl Miller and Suze Randall and all those cats.
So eventually the cat got out of the bag that, Hey, this guy from Disney is also Nick Manning. The porn star
Speaker 1 (6m 35s): Was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 2 (6m 37s): So the next thing that happened was I walked into the vivid and wicked offices and I said, Hey, I know you guys have been trying to shoot me for three years now, but now it's, I guess my mainstream career is over. So they said, can you do a movie tomorrow? I was like, yeah, sure. They go, we'll fire the lead that we have in our movie and your rent. So I went to my first, they go, how do you think you'll do I go? Well, I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
I guess they liked it. Because as soon as my scene was over, I was like toweling off and putting my robot and the production manager ran up to me. He's like, grab your calendar. I want to book you for 20 more dates. Wow. And I was like, it was just off and running. So in that three-year period, I ended about 400 magazines. And then in the next three years I did a thousand movies.
Speaker 1 (7m 33s): Wow.
Speaker 2 (7m 34s): So, and to answer your question, a lot of those movies were on film and they were like big productions. And I just saw every single day of my career, the quality and the equipment and the attitude of the people on set. And I mean, it became a business of who was your director. Oh, I guess it's some failed male talent. Right. And it's like, so me personally, I'm not big on doing shit.
I'm not good at okay. So I know I'm, I'm supposed to be in front of the camera. I've never picked up a camera. I don't own a camera. I don't take stills. I don't know shit about any of it. So, I mean, I liked it when you left the work of a professional to the professional and now it's just a business of, everyone's a fucking Jack of all trades. So it's all mediocre. Yeah. And I don't want to be involved in any shit that's mediocre.
Speaker 1 (8m 39s): Yeah. So tell me, tell me some stories about when you got found out by, by your mainstream bosses that I want to hear about.
Speaker 2 (8m 50s): Well, okay. So that mean I had different agents, like I was with Ford in New York and Chicago and J Michael bloom was my commercial agent, but my major agency was Irene Marie and Miami beach. And they had nothing to do with hooking me up with these Playgirl shoots. So I'm not even sure that they knew about anything I was doing. They just knew I was going out to LA.
And one day I got a call from my agent. Her name was Allie. And she said, you can't go from triple X to G overnight. And that was kind of like, what was funny about it was she was insinuating that somehow the mainstream career that I was building was like shot. And the truth of the matter is now my mainstream career is better than ever because people hire me to be Nick Manning.
Speaker 1 (9m 51s): Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. Absolutely. It's gonna really come full circle as an it.
Speaker 2 (9m 57s): Yeah. And dropping loads became more popular than I ever was, which was kind of like ironic in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (10m 4s): Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. So why did you construct the portal that has become real Nick manning.com.
Speaker 2 (10m 14s): All right. So this is another long story, but
Speaker 1 (10m 17s): Go for it, Nick, we don't have a time limit.
Speaker 2 (10m 21s): And about 2007 ish, people started doing other kinds of projects about me. One was a bio pic. One was a documentary. One was a book that they were writing. One of them, they took the documentary footage that they weren't going to use in the documentary and kind of turn that into like a reality show. So I had in various stages of completion or slash development, a bunch of projects that weren't finished or ready to be released simply because I was shooting for my own company shooting for everybody else, like penthouse 11 days a month, Playboy's six days a month.
So, I mean, I was on a contract with sin city to make drop a loads films. So it was very difficult to take these. Let's just call it more comprehensive things and bring them to completion. And unfortunately for me, typically what happens is people want to get in business with me because they know I'm popular and they know I'm smart and they know I'm diligent.
Speaker 1 (11m 37s): Right.
Speaker 2 (11m 37s): Okay. So what happens is it's all fun and games, the comment to Nick Manning's house and go to his shoots and go to AVN and go to parties and film him. And everybody's asking you, oh, who the hell are you? Why are you filming Nick? So now they get their own little celebrity going and pretty much they're riding my coattails and I really don't need a posse.
Speaker 1 (12m 3s): So,
Speaker 2 (12m 4s): So pretty much what happens is once the fun is done and it's like, oh, now we need to digitize our footage and edit our project and get it sold. Well, then that becomes quick sand. Like they don't want to do it. So initially what I'll do is I'll take my ball and go home and I'll just be like, fuck it. I'm just going to go to work and make sex scenes every day. But eventually it starts to trouble me.
And so then I basically took from 2014 to 2020, I shot a bunch of more drop-in loads, hardcore scenes. But then I went back and sat with the editors on all these different projects and got them completed. So at the end of 2020 Mo called me and said, Hey, you know, I've been trying to get you to do my radio show with me for fucking ever, but he's in the Midwest and I'm in LA.
So the best we could ever muster was I would host it with him for a couple of weeks, a year, Go out to visit them and host a show everyday on FM radio. And, but once podcasting became popular, he's like, Hey man, we can do a podcast. We can do it remotely. We can do it together or whatever. So I right away, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, instead of just incubating all these projects and then selling them to some investor, a bigger porn company, I was like, we might want to develop this shit.
So I sketched down on some graph paper. My idea for real Nick manning.com, the corporate staff turned it into what you see today. And I got to tell you it's in a fucking adult Disneyland.
Speaker 1 (13m 58s): Yeah. Yeah. It's very, very impressive. So what are your plans for real Nick manning.com?
Speaker 2 (14m 5s): It's funny. Cause we had a podcast yesterday, the first, since the press release went out. So I told Moe in the podcast, I said, it's almost like today, we're pressing the go button. And pretty much there's 20 platforms on there, including all my fan sites, all the different projects. Some things are membership based. Some are paper view. Then there's the store with the Nick Manning supplements, the male enhancement pills, bodybuilding supplements.
And then there's all the clothing with my sayings. So the idea was to develop all of those. And we have two left one. We just went into business with a, a I M studio out here that does webcamming and Vegas. So there's another section on my site. You'll see it called Manning manner. And we are about, I don't know, three to four weeks away from all the approvals and the streaming completion for that.
And then we'll move that up to the top of the site and call it Manning or live from Las Vegas. We'll have a solo girl, girl and I'll do my boy, girl scenes live from there.
Speaker 1 (15m 21s): Wow.
Speaker 2 (15m 22s): And then the only other thing that isn't operational on the site right now is only fans just because I'm not technical. And they require any of my staff members who were getting that account approved. They need to basically be sitting on my lap to do it. So that probably won't happen until February.
Speaker 1 (15m 47s): Got it.
Speaker 2 (15m 48s): Got it. And then, and then there's one other thing. I don't know if you caught it on there, you said you bought my book, Nick Mannings, bedtime stories. Well, that'll be one of the things that's filmed out of the Manning Manor live in Las Vegas and pretty much it'll just be a solo girl, masturbation, almost like a romance novel, except they read segments of my book and then they fiddle themselves.
Speaker 1 (16m 17s): Ooh.
Speaker 2 (16m 18s): So that'll be very cool.
Speaker 1 (16m 20s): Yeah, that sounds nice. That sounds, that sounds extremely nice. And I should tell everyone, we're recording this at the end of January. So tell me about Manning manner. I've heard so much about it. I needed description. I need kind of an audio virtual tour as it were.
Speaker 2 (16m 40s): Okay. Well, a few years ago before, before I sold all the companies that we still owned, including the supplement company, my house was all cammed. I was one of the early cam houses and there were a bunch of models and playmates and actresses and penthouse pets living at my house rotating through. And it was almost like the old Voyager cams.
Speaker 1 (17m 14s): You
Speaker 2 (17m 14s): Could see us any time. Right. It's very, very lucrative. So technology's changed a bit with the streaming company. So pretty much what we have at the studio is eight rooms. Six of them are set up like bedrooms with really high tech cam equipment and whatever. The, the best kind of hard wired connection is, again, I'm just relaying what they've told me about it.
And they'll be solo girl, girl, and boy, girl scene is going on in there various times, 24 hours a day. Hmm. Okay. And so the, I guess the goal would be to have 18 different girls in there a day six at a time and three hour shifts, whether that happens or not, not quite sure, but it really won't matter. Right. Whatever, whatever it is, it is then there's two other rooms.
One of them will be, we have a podcast studio at top secret resort in Orlando, Florida. I live in a condo there and it's basically a swingers resort slash hotel. It's kind, kinda like a, you would call it the hedonism of America. And so we do a podcast from there. Plus we're going to have a podcast studio where you'll be able to through the Manning man or live stream, watch the podcast.
Speaker 3 (18m 50s): Okay.
Speaker 2 (18m 51s): And it's cool because okay. So easy to get guests, we'll pull a girl X out of room to bring her on it also that's it makes our show much more dynamic. I think just because your guests are right there at your Beck and call, And then we have another room that leads out to a courtyard where basically that's the old school lawyer room.
It's just going to be set up like a lounge and he can watch us all the time in there. And we'll be talking about who's shooting bedtime stories today, what commercials we might be shooting to put on the clips that go on all our fan sites that basically just say, Hey, see more of me and firstname.lastname@example.org, stuff like that. So it gives like, let's call it reality based subplots to what would normally be just a regular old webcam house.
Speaker 1 (19m 60s): And is this, is this a place you actually live?
Speaker 2 (20m 4s): Well, I could, I suppose if I wanted to, but I'll probably just go,
Speaker 1 (20m 8s): Well, they call it Manning manner. I just kind of figured that your residence,
Speaker 2 (20m 13s): Well it's, again, one, we had the Voyager house that was called Manning manner. So this is Manning manner, 2022. And instead of you being at my house, you're at my studio, which just like the bedrooms that my house
Speaker 1 (20m 32s): Got it. I
Speaker 2 (20m 32s): Mean, and it's, it's really just a function of the technology's changed. I mean, if you go right now, we have a white label that's called dropping loads, live webcams. We're still going to have that. You know how it works, you click on there and then on your screen, you see all these different girls in that case, they're just using my, my name and likeness and the Manning or part it'll actually be the girls that are at our physical location and me.
Speaker 1 (21m 2s): Okay. That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (21m 4s): So I mean the problem, I mean, if you're a streaming service, what's your biggest problem? Well, most everything is either solo or boy, girl with the chick's boyfriend. It's fucking sucks. Right. Because right. They're all in their little apartments and houses. There's no other talent. Well, we can, we can have boy, girl, girl, girl, and solo all the fucking time because we're going to have six to eight people there at a time.
Speaker 1 (21m 34s): Wow.
Speaker 2 (21m 35s): Right. So that's really, really cool.
Speaker 1 (21m 38s): Absolutely. So tell me, is there anything more about the site you want to offer?
Speaker 2 (21m 45s): Oh, I mean, the NFTs are on there, which, which is kind of unique and new and they're really well done. I mean, they took me, they have hundreds of pictures of me from my modeling career that they've turned into NFTs and they're releasing 10 at a time. So that's, that's pretty cool. And of course, I mean, what's my favorite thing to do shoot the drop and load scenes. So that's, that's one of the cool things you'll be in Manning manner and you'll be watching live as we're filming drop and load scenes, which eventually we'll load onto the site.
Speaker 1 (22m 24s): Yeah, yeah. Not too bad. So who are some of the female stars you're working with on the site?
Speaker 2 (22m 31s): Oh, I mean, I mean, you'll have to just look at them. There's a zillion.
Speaker 1 (22m 37s): Gimme, gimme some highlights.
Speaker 2 (22m 39s): Well, I'll give you one of the coolest things that's on. There is I used to make a lot of those Skinemax kind of movies. And one of the girls who I got to know pretty well was a real actress slash model. Like she's been in movies with Kate Hudson. I mean, her name was Jackie Holland. And I guess you could say that she tricked me into a hidden camera, celebrity sex tape, and it's marketed as the greatest celebrity sex tape of all time.
And it's on my site on a pay-per-view it's on it's on there on a pay-per-view basis. And like, this is literally three hours or more edited to the point where if you buy the whole thing, I think it costs you like 8 99, but you can buy just part one or part two.
Speaker 1 (23m 34s): Sounds good.
Speaker 2 (23m 35s): Yeah. So that is really fucking cool. And I know it's got a lot of, it's one of those things that's probably going viral as we speak
Speaker 1 (23m 45s): Churches. I'm sure it is. So, so tell me about the documentary coming out about you.
Speaker 2 (23m 52s): Well, if you scroll down to the, the portion that says being Nick Manning season one episode, I think there's 14 episodes are up there and those are, those are, I think they're selling them for a dollar 99 an episode, so everyone should check them out. But basically there's 150 hours of usable footage that is going to, I mean, who knows?
We could have 25 seasons of 14 episodes, so it's going to be like a lion king on steroids.
Speaker 1 (24m 31s): So is the documentary the same as the reality show? Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (24m 35s): Well, the documentary is a separate project. That's not on my site and they're still determining
Speaker 1 (24m 44s): What
Speaker 2 (24m 45s): Three hours of this hundred and 50 they're going to use.
Speaker 1 (24m 49s): Wow.
Speaker 2 (24m 50s): So that's, that's not my department.
Speaker 1 (24m 53s): Good thing. Yeah. Better, better than, than better than, than you. Right.
Speaker 2 (24m 58s): The rest of it. We're turning into the being Nick Manning show.
Speaker 1 (25m 3s): Got it. And that's the reality show.
Speaker 2 (25m 5s): Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25m 6s): Okay. Okay. Now I understand because it sounded like you were starting to talk about the reality show when I asked about the documentary and I needed to figure out what the difference was. And I think you, I think you nailed that.
Speaker 2 (25m 18s): Sure. What will happen with the documentary is eventually they'll pick the best stuff and turn that into like a three, maybe a two part 90 minute segment movie.
Speaker 1 (25m 32s): Sure,
Speaker 2 (25m 33s): Sure. Right. So, but that'll have to go to like, I dunno, Sundance or so I'm not sure how they think they're going to bring it to market.
Speaker 1 (25m 43s): Yeah. I don't know if Netflix is going to take it. We'll see. They probably do have, they probably do have some restrictions. So how did you determine the variety of adult and mainstream products that would be included as content on real Nick manning.com?
Speaker 2 (26m 2s): Well, I, I would like to say that there was some sort of a plan, but basically it started out with, okay, here are these unfinished projects and I'm going to finish them and I'm going to make them really fucking cool. Then as we were in the midst of that, we were like, oh, well, fan sites are getting popular and we don't do anything small. So some people have an only fan.
Some people have, and I want clips, we got all of them. There's six different options for fan sites on the bottom of my site. So basically real Nick main.com. We wanted it to be a portal or once you're in there, right. A customer you're on your own. However you want to consume, we're giving you as many options as feasible. That's great. Right. And you know, like bedtime stories when you happen to have a book and it's pretty cool book and it's very popular and you come up with an idea where it's like, Hey, we'll have these girls read it.
I mean, who knows? There might be 200 episodes of that. Yeah. Because I mean, yeah, I'm thinking we haven't started filming yet, but I would think five minute increments would be a good way to go.
Speaker 4 (27m 23s): Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27m 24s): Probably don't want to do anymore.
Speaker 2 (27m 26s): Yeah. So again, I had unreleased drop and load scenes that we call the lost footage just because, I mean, we sh we shoot these things well in advance and then we never released them. And then during that 2014 to 2020, I shot new ones. So those are called new drop-in loads. And then anything we shoot at the studio will be edited and put in that section.
So I mean, it kind of just all happened. You know, you start down a path and you have a vision and then people throw a, I call it a monkey wrench, but it turned out to be good. That thing just became probably three times what I assumed it would be from the beginning. Sure. And then, and then with the products in the store, I mean, I don't know if you recall this Bruce, but up until about in 2012, I really started taking control of when deals would come up for renewal.
We wouldn't renew them. So at about, at the end of 2019, early 2020, I was for the first time in my career, a true free agent. That's where we went from having 300 products and adult stores around the world and other outlets. I mean, my shit was in all the gas stations, all the trucks, I mean all, all the bodybuilding stores. So pretty much there were over 300 licensed products of me floating around the world.
Wow. And we said, you know, they're making billions and we're making tens of millions. The disparity just isn't. So we took control of it. And right now we just have my supplement dropping load supplement line, which is cave Manning to Stasi Tarone monster Manning, HGH, Manning up prostate support, dropping loads, male enhancement pill, and a Manning nitro, nitric oxide.
So that those are the, that I take to be a stud. Okay. And then, then in the apparel section, we have men's and women's t-shirts, we're adding hoodies and hats with all my trademark sayings. There's I think there's 20 different options.
Speaker 1 (29m 59s): I gotta get, I gotta get some, some workout clothes from you. Cause some good, some cutoff shirts, eyes
Speaker 2 (30m 6s): Shut.
Speaker 1 (30m 7s): I love it. Love it. Gotta get one that says dropping loads too. I want to, I want to see that. I want to see the looks on the parts of some of the ties who actually understand English.
Speaker 2 (30m 18s): Well, some of the people who purchased them for Christmas presents sent photos of them in their whole family, wearing these shirts. And Moe was like, can you imagine, you'd get your present from around the Christmas. And it's a bunch of dropping loads clothing.
Speaker 1 (30m 36s): I'm looking forward to doing your, doing your podcast, by the way That's going to be, that's going to be, that's going to be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to virtually meeting Mo as well. So let's talk about that. Now you told me how the podcast came about. So you answered that question already, but let's talk about the podcast. What happens during the podcast? What's it all about? Obviously people can listen and we encourage that. They do, but tell people a little bit about the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31m 6s): Well, I guess the best way to describe Mo is, and I've been on all these shows, not only in America, but around the whole fucking world where it's like every local market has that guy. I call him, he's the Howard stern of physical.
Speaker 1 (31m 23s): I was going to say, everyone's trying to,
Speaker 2 (31m 27s): But I mean, in Chicago, it's man cow in LA, it's psycho Mike. Right? So I'm on all these people, Bubba, the love sponge. And So anyway, Mo was the guy who he contacted me even before Howard stern. I think he might've been in like Oklahoma city or Louisville at the time. And he's like, I did research to figure out who you were because the first movie I saw you in, I was stupid and didn't watch the credits.
So it took them like another six months to figure out what my name was.
Speaker 1 (32m 4s): God.
Speaker 2 (32m 5s): But he started having me on his show and you know, like I said, I'm not looking to take on it. I mean, I want to shoot drop and load scenes and run my studio. So I, I'm not big on like, Hey, let's do some more shit that I'm not good at. So I said, Mo, if you want to do this show with me, what do you want me to do? And he's like, oh, all you gotta do is talk to me. I'll do the rest. I was like, oh, okay then,
Speaker 1 (32m 32s): Does he work? Does he work full time for you now?
Speaker 2 (32m 34s): Yeah. He's he runs the distribution and so pretty much he's managing real Nick manning.com on a day-to-day basis.
Speaker 1 (32m 46s): That's great.
Speaker 2 (32m 47s): Right. And then we put, we podcast periodically. It's going to be more often. I mean, we were podcasting very regularly and then the site kept taking longer and longer to complete. And I'm like, look, bro, I'm tired of talking about fucking shit. That's not happening. So once we launched in December, we've been trying to podcast, but with the shitty weather, there's always some reason that we couldn't. And then I know you wanted to have us on before this and it's like, look, let me get settled.
Let me get some tech people around me. And cause I don't like when it a fucking internet cutting out it's spinning. So yes, yesterday was the first day that we've actually done one since the launch.
Speaker 1 (33m 37s): Well, I'm glad we were able to set it up. So, so tell me more about the podcast.
Speaker 2 (33m 41s): Well, it's, it's basically what you think we talk and here's the thing with Mo he always says that I'm a very worldly. So we talk a lot about my career and we talk about mainstream and celebrities. I know, but we also talk about sports and politics. I mean just about any topic, because I'm highly educated. I can hold some intelligent conversation about it.
Speaker 1 (34m 15s): Yeah. You were, you, you started out what is a stockbroker? I think,
Speaker 2 (34m 19s): No, I okay. When I was an undergrad playing baseball, I got a double major international business and economics. So I got a BA in international business and a BS in economics. And then right away I popped a hamstring. So I was off for eight, 18 months and I was like, well, what the fuck am I going to do? Just sit around here. So I went to grad school and I got a master's of science in human resource management.
So then what I would try to do was I'd try to work in HR during the day and play ball at night and on weekends.
Speaker 1 (34m 58s): Wow.
Speaker 2 (34m 59s): And what was
Speaker 1 (35m 0s): Your position?
Speaker 2 (35m 1s): Well, I, well I played right field, mostly a little bit of third base, a little bit of left field and then I really became a fucking excellent first baseman.
Speaker 1 (35m 14s): Great.
Speaker 2 (35m 15s): Yeah. Like as I got more injured, I wasn't able to play the outfield, but I wasn't. Yes. I was a switch hitter and they wanted me to bang the ball around. So
Speaker 1 (35m 27s): They're like the McCovey syndrome
Speaker 2 (35m 29s): And they thought, oh, well we'll just stick them at first base. And then I became really fucking good at it.
Speaker 1 (35m 36s): Yeah. Yeah. Do anything you do anything enough, Nick and you get good at it. Like you fucking right. Well, we certainly have that common interest in sports and baseball and we can talk, we can talk a little sports when I do the, do the podcast with you guys. Now you're working with long-time hustler, executive Michael Klein of next step entertainment. He's certainly someone that, that I know very well.
How has that partnership partnership working out for you?
Speaker 2 (36m 11s): First of all, it's great. Michael, Michael. I mean, you're friends with him. He's a cool cat.
Speaker 1 (36m 16s): Right? Smart, smart.
Speaker 2 (36m 20s): So as this process was going along, like again, I drew it on a piece of graph paper and I turned it over to Mo who's a radio guy. And because he's, he said, oh man, Nick, you need to be doing this, this, this, this, this. And I'm like, well, if you think so then you do it. I mean, you know how it is when you build a site and you have to get payment processing all
Speaker 1 (36m 48s): You're like me. You're like me. I'm not a technical guy. I hire people for that.
Speaker 2 (36m 53s): Yeah. So anyway, that's where Michael Klein became invaluable because one, he had all the connections to, he's been in web development and technology for a while. He means invented like the adult time channel. And so, and he worked at hustler for a decade working for very well. And I think his originally his, he was in like, OnCommand like cable television, like pay-per-view.
Yeah. So my executive producer at Manning Manor, who did the deal for the webcam studio, his real gig is he produces a boxing show where they interview boxers for, for the Nevada boxing hall of fame. So Michael, because he was in the cable side, had a lot to do in pay-per-view and a lot do a boxing. And when we went to dinner the other night, they knew a lot of the same people.
Speaker 1 (37m 52s): Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (37m 53s): So this guy that works with me is a persona is Vegas John triple X on Twitter. But I call him shark. He was like, oh, you totally undersold him. I'm like, dude, I told you, he worked for fucking hustler. And I said, well, tell you about a guy. Right? He goes, no. He goes, the people that he knows and the things that he accomplished and did are really impressive. I'm like, dude, I know, I just don't go piping off about some guy you don't know yet.
And, but I'll tell you,
Speaker 1 (38m 27s): I was surprised. I was surprised it took him that long to open up his own deal because he should've done it a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (38m 34s): Well, and it's very interesting because the way I got to Michael was I called a guy in Chicago. I used to work in HR with, because I know for the past 15 years he's been, he's been the CEO of his own company, which his wife inherited. And I just happened to call him because I was like, I don't know what you're up to, but if you want to run my company, well, he goes, he referred me to a guy named Jim little league who was, he knew. And Jim Lilach had a lot to do with Mr.
Skin back in the day.
Speaker 1 (39m 9s): Okay.
Speaker 2 (39m 9s): So Jim didn't want to do it because he was doing something else. And he referred me to Jason Tucker, who was the guy that handles all the trademark infringement suits. And Jason referred me to Michael right away. I was like, oh, this is perfect because he knows all the things that I suspect don't know how to do.
Speaker 1 (39m 37s): Exactly.
Speaker 2 (39m 38s): And so it made, I mean, I'm not saying that getting through 20 platforms of approvals and a portal was easy and getting the pro, I mean, you got to get the online store hooked up. So that orders go. I mean, so there's a lot of fucking shit that has to get done. And from the time that we started building the site to the time that it was functional and then all the content had to be loaded into it, that probably took almost two years.
Speaker 1 (40m 11s): Yup.
Speaker 2 (40m 12s): So Michael has been instrumental like a conductor getting this thing to the point it's at now, where once we do the Manning manner and the only fans were done for a while, it's just going to be shoot, edit, put new shit up on the site.
Speaker 1 (40m 31s): Like until the, until the, until the next monkey wrench. Right.
Speaker 2 (40m 35s): Cause we don't need any more
Speaker 1 (40m 38s): Until, until somebody else has an idea. Wow.
Speaker 2 (40m 41s): If they have an idea, we can get to that in 20, 24.
Speaker 1 (40m 45s): Exactly. So your content in general and dropping loads, content in particular is very highly in demand. Do you have any intentions of performing in scenes for other studios? Looking ahead?
Speaker 2 (41m 0s): No.
Speaker 1 (41m 1s): You like being a free agent?
Speaker 2 (41m 3s): Yeah. I mean, we've, we've talked about this a little bit internally and I've spoken to you about it. The only thing, and because I've incubated eight different companies where we started out in 2000, when I first started doing movies, I started making my own series called the fans have spoken. That was a company called Nick Manning productions. That company got acquired. Then the next thing I made was Nick Manning films. When I went on contract with wildlife, they acquired that.
Then the next thing I did was drop Nick manning.com. A penthouse acquired that. Then there was drop a loads.com and some company acquired it didn't even use it as drop a loads.com and turned it into a dating site. And then there was platinum blue. And then there was Manning management, Nick Manning entertainment and Nick Manning dot. So this is like the eighth or ninth time I've done this.
And then with the intention that someone will swoop in and acquire us at a multiple,
Speaker 1 (42m 11s): Well, when you're, when you're ready, you know who to deal with.
Speaker 2 (42m 15s): Yeah. And in this case, I'm not sure that I would just do it like a simple deal like that. What I would probably do is say, look, we still want our, we still want to run the studio. We still want to shoot our own dropping loads movies with my crew. And we still want a podcast. So you can become our partner to some degree by shares minority, majority, whatever. But whatever happens.
I want a personal services contract with Mo that we keep doing the things that we like to do. And I will say this, let's just throw out a name, mine geek. Right. Cause they almost should punch in the, if they want, if they had real Nick manning.com portal with what it contains today, the products given their reach. I mean, just like everything else. I can only take it so far because I don't have the infrastructure, but my brand in somebody's hands like that.
And that's why Michael Klein it's now it's exponentially valuable.
Speaker 1 (43m 29s): Okay.
Speaker 2 (43m 30s): So that's, that's the idea, but I'm not going to just sell it and ride out in the sunset and start another one because I don't want to go through the headache.
Speaker 1 (43m 42s): Been there, done that. Huh? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43m 44s): I'm not going to take another six years to
Speaker 1 (43m 48s): I get it. So I understand you're developing a mainstream film called getting killed in Miami. When can we expect that project from you?
Speaker 2 (43m 57s): Well, that's again, not my department. It has a script which is completed. It has a budget which was done by the distributors line producer. So that's tight and it has a projected cast list when they get around to funding it and making it happen, they can call me and pay me my $1.5 million and I'll come be George McCann and the movie. Other than that, I not having any more to do with it.
Because again, I did everything I could do getting the project to the two yard line. Now people more qualified. The neat me need to score a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (44m 41s): There you go. Well, you're going to score the touchdown, but they're going to block for you. They're going to do the ball. They're going to do the blocking, which is the, which is the real hard part. You're just get, you're going to, you're going to saunter in and high step. One more question. I started reading your book last night and it's fascinating dropping loads, your, the gap, the Galvin hint it's interviewing you in it. She's, she's phenomenal.
And very, very funny. Tell me about that whole experience, how it came to be and talk about the process.
Speaker 2 (45m 24s): Okay. Maureen St. Charles is the writer's name and she lived in Canada And I'm in Southern California. And she, I guess she must have emailed me or got hold of me on social media. But nonetheless, she said she wanted to write this book. I said, well, when you have time, get out to LA, you know, we can have a face-to-face meeting and discuss it.
Our first meeting was very interesting because the night before, as there's always some drama at Manning manner, these two girls got a little carried away and were fighting in my driveway.
Speaker 1 (46m 8s): Oh, nice.
Speaker 2 (46m 9s): So I'm in the shower and Maureen sitting in my sitting area, in my bedroom waiting to meet with me here comes one of the girls from the night before storming up to the room, topless, looking for me to apologize. So that was Maureen's first interaction. And I get out of the shower, my towel and a robe or whatever. I'm a total, a woman. I'm like, look, I'm in a meeting right now. I can't deal with you.
But when you can stop acting like a high school chick, you can come back.
Speaker 1 (46m 48s): So
Speaker 2 (46m 49s): Maureen and I had a good conversation. I said, I have a couple stipulations here. One, I don't know what you want to call this book. But back then, that's when Howard stern wouldn't shut up about dropping loads and all the other Howard Stern's like mall around the world. Wouldn't shut up about dropping loads. So I said, clearly dropping loads is more famous than Nick Manning. I said, we have to call it, drop it loads.
If we want to make money at this.
Speaker 1 (47m 22s): Exactly.
Speaker 2 (47m 22s): And she went along with that. I don't think it would have been her first choice, but I mean, it's kinda like my, my distributor one day at platinum blue comes up to me. He's like, Hey man, Skype wants to make these beautiful sky blue directed movies. And he goes, yeah, we sold them the cable. And we sold them to all the hospitality worldwide. He goes, but for DVD sales, really, all they want to know is when's the next fucking dropping loads coming out.
Exactly. He goes, it begs the question. He goes, why aren't we calling all our movies dropping loads? And from that point forward, every fucking title I ever put out was dropping low. We're like dropping loads 476 or whatever. So it was the same thing. So it's like sometimes just reason leads you to, I don't care what you want to call it. We're calling a drop in loans.
Speaker 1 (48m 23s): Exactly. Hey man, that's your brand.
Speaker 2 (48m 26s): I mean, and so the other thing I said was, look, I know you think I know everyone in Hollywood, but I don't. I'm on the set 330 days a fucking year. I work out, I fuck girls on television and I come home and go to bed. I said, that's my life. So you are going to have to get this book published. Oh, sure. I'll make that happen too.
Then I said, the third thing is, you don't know me. I don't know you. I don't know how you're intending to do this from Canada, but that's not going to fucking be any good. I said, the only way I'll agree to this is if you take a hiatus from whatever the fuck you're doing and come down and live in the maid's quarters at my house and you stay here until you're ready to write your book. I don't know how long that's going to take, but you can come everywhere.
I go 100% full access to me. So that's why I think that my book is better than most biographies or autobiographies because I mean, she got to see firsthand, you know, what was happening. And that brings up a whole nother topic. People read my book and most says, oh man, and you never talk about all the celebrity. I go, because I think like when I say things that are common to me, people think I'm full of shit.
So I just keep it to myself. And, and so people reading my book are primary. Like there's no fucking way that this is this guy's life. But the good news is being Nick Manning and dropping loads. The legend of Nick Manning. We're being filmed at the same time she was writing the book. So there's visual evidence, no fucking accurate.
Speaker 1 (50m 27s): And if somebody doesn't believe it, fuck them. Right?
Speaker 2 (50m 30s): Yeah. Well, yeah, but I mean, if I was just somebody in, I dunno, Oklahoma breeding drop a loads of Nick Manning story. I think it was fucking invented too, because there's no way people tell me all the time. There's no way that this is your life. It's like you go to bed and there are six girls in your bedroom. I'm like, yeah. And I got a Crow. I got, I got crawl over bodies to go take a piss.
Speaker 1 (50m 59s): It doesn't sound like a bad life, Nick.
Speaker 2 (51m 1s): No, I'm, I'm very blessed, man.
Speaker 1 (51m 4s): You are indeed. You are indeed. Well, look, Nick, this has been a blast. I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on adults. I broke her talk and I really hope we get a chance to have a part two.
Speaker 2 (51m 16s): Yeah. And I'll get with Mo and we'll have you on our show.
Speaker 1 (51m 21s): I look forward to it. My broker tip today is part seven of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, let's talk about some of the factors that influence the sales price of a website. Number one is usually profit. It will be a multiple of the profit. And that multiple is based on whether the profit is trending up or down and how fast it's trending up or down. I've seen valuations of as much as five times or more, although that's very rare. Normally it's in the two and a half to four times area.
I've also seen valuations of one times. Profit. If the profits taking a nosedive, if a site hasn't been monetized, then it's all about the amount and the quality of the traffic. If a sale is based on traffic, it will be a multiple of what the traffic would sell for on the open market. What are the sources of traffic direct traffic search engine, traffic and review traffic are the most valuable tube. Traffic. The least valuable is the traffic reliable and sustainable. What's the traffic history in a rare case, the valuation will be based upon revenue.
The same factors apply to that as a profit and the valuations will of course be lower than those of profits. How old is the website is the domain of.com or something else? Dot com is still king. How many inbound links are there? How much staff does it take to run the site? How many email addresses do you have in the case of a dating site? This is very important. Another factor can be the reverse engineering cost. How much would it cost to build the site from scratch and drive the same amount and quality of traffic to it.
And how much time would be involved? What's the lifetime value of a customer on the site next week, how to buy a website and next week we'll be speaking with Julia Epiphany. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest Nick Manning. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.