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My guest today on adult side, broker talk is Kate Kennedy hostess of the podcast cam girl Chronicles on I'm life. Kate, thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk, thank
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You so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.
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I'm excited to have you now. Kate is a comedian, a podcast host content creator and retired adult film star. And as I just mentioned, she hosts the podcast cam girl Chronicles presented by I'm lying, which is an inside look at the wild and wacky world of online cam modeling. Okay. Worked as a professional porn star, both in front of and behind the camera from 2017 to 2020. That was the last year. And she retired then from studio work to focus on comedy and creating her own content on only fans where she is in the top 1%. Wow.
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Congratulations. Thank you.
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It's the only time we will probably ever be in the 1%,
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Give yourself some credit now, as she lives in LA with her three legged dogs, squeegee
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Hmm. May or may not interrupt us at some point. We'll see. She's a little sleepy. I gave her some toys, so we'll see.
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I've got four. So I'm more likely to get interrupted. You can connect with her at L I N K T R dot E forward slash the G Kennedy with two N's cam girl Chronicles is an entertaining peek behind the scenes of the world of cam. This 10 episode series is fast paced and hilarious with great stories, fun features, and plenty of surprises. Plus play along with munch madness, their weekly firstname.lastname@example.org. Exactly how it's spelled, where you decide the winner cam girl Chronicles is good, clean, dirty fund made fresh every Sunday.
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So Kate, tell me besides what I just described, what's your new podcast about?
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Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much what we described. I'm a lot more than that. It's crazy. I interviewed cam girls from all over the world, which is so fascinating. I'm up at like 6:00 AM to talk to girls in Bucharest every day and like Columbia, all these different, crazy places. And it's just so interesting to get to talk to sex workers from all over the world and find kind of like our own like commonalities between what sex work is like. And also just their unique perspectives. I really think that even as progressive as most sex workers are in like the U S and stuff, we still like kind of have a little bias about sex workers overseas.
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And it's just so interesting to really talk to these people that are from, you know, like places I've never heard of. I've never been to. And they're just so funny and cool and fucking smart and interesting. And I want to travel all over the world and hanging out with them now. So it's really fun. We do a bunch of different features. A lot of it's crazy. I write these little like weird daily show style, sex news segments every week, which are so fun that we include in this the show. So it's just been the best experience getting to create the show. And I'm really, really proud of it. What have some
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Of your favorite guests been so far? If I could put you on the spot? Oh
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Man. Okay. I have to shout out Mia. Her I'm live name is sweet. Kiss Brazil. She is a fucking rock star. Social media just like pushes the show. She's wonderful. I mean, you can not listen to her and not be like this girl's the coolest ever. So she's been amazing. All of the girls who've gotten to talk to all of the people at that work at the studios because they work in, especially in Romania and studios. Yes. Like they go to these places that really, they look like a Vegas casino. Like, it looks like you're at the aria or like the Bellagio. And they're in these beautiful environments where they have like people handling the equipment to nail lady, his hair, ladies, makeup ladies.
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They have a whole commissary. I'm like, I want to cam here, but they've all just been so fun. They've all brought like different things to the table. And it's been really, really cool to get, to get to know them.
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Yeah. We did a, we did a segment on, on studios with Aandra who, who runs one of the, one of the studios there. Now, what advice do you have for interviewing sex workers? Maybe you can tell me because I do that a lot.
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Yeah. I'm actually working on a piece right now because I doing this project kind of inspired me to ask more questions because I've given of man, I love talking about myself. So I've probably given hundreds of interviews at this point, but like it started making me think about like, what questions do I get asked? What questions do I like or questions do I not? And so like, I really, I asked Twitter just like openly, like, what are your least favorite questions that you get asked in an interview? And how would you change them? Right. You know? Cause like a lot of times you get asked about like, what were you like in high school? Or how did you lose your virginity? And it's like, okay, that's kind of icky. Right? Like I was like under, usually that's not cool to ask or like your family and stuff.
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Like, you know, I like my, the whole inspiration for that was like, I don't like being asked about my family. Cause that feels really personal and it's known, you know, it's not their thing. So I kind of like asked them and they, I got such good response as about like, oh, I would rather be asked about this or that. And so I think the way to do it and I will be publishing this piece really soon is just to, I mean, first of all, cause you asked when we were setting up this interview as well. Like what do you want to talk about? What questions you want? Like ask us because we know what we want to talk about. We know are comfortable talking about, and we're pretty good at setting boundaries. Cause you have to be, you learned that really fast and in sex work.
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So, you know, it's just kind of stuff like that. And I've gotten such good responses. I'm really excited to get to share them with everybody. So
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Give me a couple of examples and I am expecting you to send a, send a link to that article to me so I can read it. But what are some examples of questions people want to be asked? And then some, some examples of questions people don't like to be asked,
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Okay, I'm pulling this up right now. Like on my phone because it did not have this like du, du, du, du, du, du two jeopardy theme song in the back. All of my shit posts that I put on Twitter. Why do I do this to myself? I don't know. I know because I have thoughts about that Meghan Markle interview and I felt the need to tweet about it. Like 10 times last night someone was like, are you okay? And I was like, absolutely not. Didn't everybody
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Have thoughts about Megan Markle on that interview, by the way, we're we're recording this. We're recording this in March right after the interviews. So just in case people are going wait, that was two months ago.
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Oh yes. Okay. So this is a really good one. So I pulled up this thread. Okay. A lot of times people will ask you, like, what are your horror stories? What's your worst customer or your worst client or worst scene. And it's like, stop asking me to tell on people who pay my bills and who's gonna want to relive that exactly asked me who my best or my most memorable was. Right. Like ask me who my favorite was. Who's the funniest. Let's see. How did you lose your Virginia? That one cropped up a bunch of times. People really don't like being asked that, oh, this was a big one. And this only happened to me a couple of times, but I, couple of people said that interviewers have literally asked them if they found them attractive and would they fuck them?
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Which like, okay, no, like that's so awkward. What's your favorite position? Cause that's just a boring one. Like there's like one cute answer to that. And it's CEO and it's been done to death. Mine is the one where you just like slammed my face into the pillow and I can't breathe. That's my favorite one. Oh, who's your favorite performer to work with? That's a really loaded one. Right? Because like whoever else you've worked with, if they are getting
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Is going to feel
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Exactly. And also every pro porn performer is going to say man, Wolfer era because that's always the answer. How did you start porn or why? Which I understand that a good one or a bad one. That's a bad one. And I understand why people don't like it because there's, for me, especially like there are a thousand reasons, like there's, it gets such a complicated, nuanced issue, right? Like I could talk about like unfair labor and hiring practices. I could talk about how all labor under capitalism is inherently exploitive. And if you're working in a coal mine, you're also selling your body. Right? Like I could also talk about like I liked sex.
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And at the end of the day, I didn't want to work a nine to five or I wanted, you know, the freedom. So there's so many different answers to that. That it's not, you know, let's see. Who's your favorite person to work with? How'd you lose your virginity. Those were big wins. I got a lot of responses on this.
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So Kate, how did you lose your, no, I'm not going to ask you that. What were some of the highlights of your performing career in gain an adult video?
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Oh man. I mean like all of it was really fun. I had a blast and we're coming up on my we're like four or five days from my retirement anniversary, which is insane. I can't believe it's been a year. I retired early because of COVID like, whenever people are like, why did you retire? Like, cause COVID like, I shot my last scene. And then we went into lockdown the next day and it will three weeks later I turned 26 and I was like, wait a second. Like we need to start thinking about something else because this isn't gonna keep going. And I don't want to get my tits done. I'm not a teenager anymore.
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I am, I can no longer convincingly play one. So, you know, like, but all of them all, they're so fun. I really got the opportunity to work for a lot of amazing companies, a lot of great directors with a lot of really cool people. And so, you know, like I would say highlights where I loved working for kink.com. I worked for them many, many times. I've had several hoodies from them. They're great. Love them. And just, I mean, everyone, I really didn't have like maybe one or two, not great experiences, but I really never had a bad one. I love graffiti.
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I won't ask you what your worst experiences were. Cause that was on the list. Okay. So what are some of the craziest stories you've heard in these interviews? You've done?
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Oh my God. There's been so many and they're so fun and I'm so glad the girls are like, feel safe. Sharing them with us. My favorite ones so far has been a guy that liked to get a dress up in laundry with a pony butt plug and dance around stripping to the bare necessities from the jungle book. I want that guy in my cam room. That would be so much fun.
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Yeah. He sounds like a, like a real card. What are some like what are some other stories?
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Oh man. Let's see. There's a guy that likes to put frozen bananas in his butt hole. That was a funny one. I heard one today. That absolutely shocked me to my core this year. Wait a minute,
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Something shocked you. And you worked in adult for, you worked in an adult for four years and, and you cam okay, go ahead.
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This girl today, this morning, and this is like eight o'clock in the morning. Mind you, and I'm not a morning person. So like hearing these stories, this early is crazy, but she, do you remember the mentors and diet Coke challenge? Okay. This guy did the Mentos and diet Coke challenge and put the bottle in his butthole and my face. I mean, you can die do it like that can kill you. Like that was, I literally was like, is he okay? Like I need to talk to him now.
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I guess nothing shocks me. I was, I was, I was trying to picture it going. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Not something I do
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Me neither. Not something anyone should do. I want to make that really clear. I did that in this podcast was like, seriously, the velocity of that liquid can rupture your colon and kill you. Please don't do that. Well, I don't
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Like things in my butthole, but then again, I'm, you know, I like girls, what can I say? So what have you learned about camming around the world? I
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Think the biggest thing has just been how, cause I don't like to have like an American centric worldview. I really like to like break myself out of that. But I guess just how progressive attitudes towards sex work in other parts of the world are that we don't really understand here in the us. Like we, when I talked to these girls that are working at these studios and like Romania and Columbia, like we can't even have studios like that here it's considered a brothel. Like it would be illegal to have something like that. And they there's some studios in the states. There's a couple, but it's really, really hard to legally be able to do that. And I know people that own a couple. Yeah. And it's like, even in like Nevada, if you want to do something like that, you technically need like a brothel license.
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That's interesting because
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Cause I used to work with a cam company that had a studio in Nevada. I never, I never asked them if they had a brothel license.
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Yeah. There's a bunch of like legal issues and talking to like both the owners of the cam companies and then other people that are also just like in Theodore industry about the logistics of doing that. There's so much more red tape here. And also like the way that their, the way their peers understand, like especially online sex work is so different in other parts of the world, like right now, Columbia is the largest growing cam market in the world and they have such a progress. And it's so fascinating because right, this is this like south American country that's heavily Catholic. And yet they have this incredibly progressive view of sex work.
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Like I have never met a Colombian Kim model whose family did not a thousand percent support them. Sure. Is she, is
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She a thousand percent supports that?
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Exactly. Which is, I mean like totally fine. We, you know, we talk about sex work. It's really one of the only industries where you can make a very good living without those high barriers of entry, like a university degree or networking or inherited wealth. And I mean, I really think that the U S is falling behind on this run.
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I mean, here in Thailand, you can't imagine how many millions of people are supported by a prostitution here. I mean, they send their money home to their families. Absolutely. And it's accepted, it's still not legal, it's accepted. And as far as the U S goes to U S is so behind so many areas, I can't even begin to tell you when the more I'm in different parts of the world, the more I realize how far behind we've fallen in, in all these areas. And one area really is the whole idea of morals, you know?
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Yeah. In Columbia, they're Catholic, but they're not evangelicals.
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It's not, it doesn't have that puritanical bent to it. But so much of us culture has that I think really sets us back socially and economically so far, especially in terms of like women's rights and liberation. I mean it's international women's day as we're recording this. Yes.
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Happy international women's day.
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Thank you. Nobody has grabbed my pussy all day, so I don't even know what we're supposed to be celebrating, but that's fine.
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So, so what, what's it like working with
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Lot? It's been wonderful. They have been so supportive of this project. They've really let us do so much of what we wanted to design the show. Like it, I mean, it's been such a cool experience to really get to go in and say like, we're going to do the show about sex work by sex workers, by people that understand this industry and like to get to write on this show. I mean, I put in so many hours of work on the show every week, not just interviewing, but the writing and the jokes and all of the stuff that goes into it. And like just to see them be so happy with it and also to let us design it in that way has just been incredible.
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They've been so great. And they've supported the show so wonderfully with getting us the girls to interview and listening to our ideas. We just had a meeting today about the last episode of the first season that went really well. So it was very exciting and yeah, they've been wonderful,
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Great company. I've got lots and lots of friends over there in my Israeli homeys. So what goes into writing and creating a show like yours
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So much? Like it's so much of me just sitting at my computer, like pulling up the online thesaurus, like looking up like different terms for sex. Like I, I have so many bookmarks on my computer now that I'm sure like the FBI is going to be pounding down my door any day. Now it's a lot. I mean, between me and like romaine who's the producer and the editors and everyone that lays down the different pieces of the audio to like the girls that are willing to speak to us and take hours out of their day to do so, which we're incredibly grateful for. Like it's such a team effort and it really is such a labor of love because we love doing it.
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I mean, I sit and write these like dumb little daily show, style news for hours. And I know my life would be so much easier if I didn't insist on writing all of them as like tongue twisters, but I, Kate Kennedy adores alliteration. That's my joke. But yeah, it's, it's been so much fun. I get to do so much research and put just, it's just, it's so cool. It's just so much fun. I it's a lot of work, but I absolutely adore every single second of it. And I hate getting up in the morning, hate it. And I am willing to wake up at 6:00 AM to do this. Like there's very little else. I'm willing to wake up at 6:00 AM for almost nothing.
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I literally cannot name anything else. Wait
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Until you get older, like me, it'll be a,
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My mom keeps saying that and it has not happened yet. Well,
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Yeah. I'm almost 27. My birthday is coming up.
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Oh God. Yeah. Well, you've got a long way to go. Girl just started happening to me and I turned 63 in October. So what's been the biggest challenge creating the podcast.
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The time difference sucks. I live, I live in LA, there are producers in New York, so, and then Bucharest is 10 hours ahead of LA. So I'm getting up at 6:00 AM, super rough, you know, good personal challenge for me. I think just kind of, to me the biggest thing, anytime I'm doing anything when in sex work or involving sex workers, but also has like a mainstream media bent to it, is that just, I want to portray these people honestly, and in the way that they want to be, because I think that that's so rare.
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I think it's so uncommon in that they get to tell their own stories. And so that's just been my kind of like guiding light Maxim in doing this is that I really care about the way that these girls are portrayed and I really care that they're portrayed honestly, and in the way that they want to be. So I put a lot of pressure on myself to do so, because I know how I feel when I, you know, see media that doesn't portray sex work in a real or honest light. So, you know, but I think we've been able to do that. So it's paid off. Absolutely.
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Well, and then you're the perfect host for this show because you do it yourself.
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Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, I think that that experience and like, I've been really honest the whole time. Like I have done cam, I was not very good at camming. Like I don't consider that a strength of mine. These girls are much better at it than I probably will ever be, but I do understand what they go through on a regular basis. I know what it's like to be doing a show for hours on end and be bored and not have anyone in your room and feel bad and you know, and try to have to stick it out. I mean, these girls have an incredible work ethic and I really want to highlight that. Yeah. And I think
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That, I think the ones overseas, if you want to talk about work ethic, I think they, they always, people overseas always have a better work ethic than Americans.
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They really do. There's a reason we're falling behind in manufacturing, our own porn, our own cars, our own anything. There is a very good reason.
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The, what's been the biggest surprise so far
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I think. And this is going to sound terrible because I'm going to come from my own biased standpoint. Right. I love breaking down my biases. Like I think that's so important. I think I know what's coming, but go ahead. Yeah. It's just how fucking cool these girls are. They're so funny. They're so smart. They work so hard. They're sweet. They're cool. I want to hang out with them. Like I kind of do this joke where, you know, you know, like the scariest stripper in a strip club. Cause I used to be a stripper as well. The scariest stripper in the strip club is always like six feet tall and blonde and her name is always Svetlana and she's fucking terrifying, right? Like Russian strippers are the scariest fucking people on the planet.
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Like do not fuck with that.
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I will break you literally,
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She will either break you or she will pee in your bag, like, which is a thing that happens in strip clubs. But like I it's been so rewarding to be able to break down that bias for myself. And hopefully for people that listen to this show of that, like I think we as sex workers, if we want to really fight for things like decriminalization and equal rights and you know, this and to all of the nastiness that goes on around the way that like the mainstream world talks about sex workers, like we have to be United, we have to work together. And so getting to know these girls has just been an incredible experience. Like again, I, I just want to go hang out with them like, wow.
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When the live shows start again, you certainly will have that opportunity at, at some of the events. There's a couple in a couple in Romania and there's one in Columbia and yeah, you should definitely get the, you should definitely get the guys that I'm live to send you there. We are hoping are you listening center to Romania, to Columbia
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And yeah, we've brought
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It up with them that we really want to go. My mother is terrified. She's like a thousand percent sure I'm going to get taken, which is so funny because like I've tried to get sex trafficked before and they've returned to me every single time. No one is interested. I know, I know it's, it's a hard knock life for a logical ho, but yeah, we're really hoping that we can go do this live just because I want the world to see this too. Like, I really want people to get, to see what I've gotten to see, not just in the podcast, but like on video, like live, like, I really want people to get to understand, like these are women that are smart and capable and hardworking and are passionate about what they do.
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Well, you can do some
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Remote stuff. You know, I planned to do it when the show started up again, I planned to do some remote interviews. It'll give me a, some people that I wouldn't normally be able to get. Oh. And by the way, Russian hookers peeing on your back that's that's, that's pricing
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Your bag always in your bag. Stripper bag, that's happened to a couple of my stripper friends that they pissed off their own girl at the club and she peed in their bag. It never happened to me. I got a glass of water dumped in mine. Once I was
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Going to say peeing on a peeing on a guy's back. That costs man. That's expensive. So what advice do you have for aspiring cam models and other adult content creators?
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It's a, it's a, it's so funny because I know I wrote this question, but I literally just was talking to my best friend from high school earlier today. And he wants to get into online content, not like porn, but he wants to start posting like snowboarding videos and stuff. And he called and was like, how do you he's like, I know this is your job. Like how do you do this? And so I walked him all through it, but my biggest tips are like, you don't need to spend a thousand, like millions of dollars. Don't do that. Like, you don't need crazy equipment. You need like your phone, a couple of lights. So don't buy into that because I totally did. When I was starting go at your own pace, figure out what you like, figure out who you are.
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And like research things like marketing and branding, keep your content consistent and, and make it fun. Don't put a ton of pressure on yourself. It's a grind. It takes years. I've been on only fans since 2017. And I did not make enough money per month to pay my rent until November, 2019 was the first time that I made enough money. I made like $1,500 that month. And that was the first time I'd made that much. And I make much more now obviously through the pandemic and through, you know, shifting my focus to that. But it's a grind. It takes a really long time. Like you are not a failure if you're not in the 1% overnight, like you just have to put in the work, figure out who you are, who you should collaborate with, where you're going to fit and just work at it.
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It's a job like anything else. It's the hours you put into it, the love you put into it and the passion you put into it.
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Okay. Now I want to ask
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You about your comedy career with the podcast and your only fans work. Do you really have much time for it and how active
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Are you? I have no time for anything, but I make time for everything. So prior to the pandemic, I was doing probably five or six mikes a week and performing at the comedy store here in Los Angeles, I've gotten some really incredible opportunities to open for really big comics that have just been amazing and wonderful. So I've, I've gotten really lucky in terms of that, especially within like the LA podcast scene to get to do kind of those rounds. It's been good for my online content and also my comedy career, but it's what I'm really passionate about. I had just started to go on the road at the beginning of 2020 before all this happened.
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I'm really hopeful that I will get to do that again. Soon. I have a show coming up, my first road show in over a year and a couple of months I'm going up to, or a couple of months, couple of weeks, I'm going up to big bear to go do a show with some of my friends, which will be very fun. And I just, I obviously adore standup. I love everything about it. And it's yeah, it's hard. I mean, I think, I think it's harder than porn and I think porn is pretty hard, but like it's rough. I mean, it can be humiliating and Digger. Like I joke that I used to do hardcore porn, but it just wasn't degrading enough for me. So I got into stand up comedy and stuff.
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So you weren't, it wasn't degrading. Nipsey went to work for kink.
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I asked them to hit me harder. You're not allowed to eat shit on the internet. You can in comedy.
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Yeah. Well, if kink and if kinks not rough enough, then you're in trouble. Okay. I'm going to ask you a question today. You're probably would tell me that you never ask a comedian, but I'm going to ask it anyway. We ready.
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Tell me a joke.
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Do you think that Salman Rushdie was mad that he had to write the entire satanic verses in order to get a fatwa declared against him? When all Mia Khalifa had to do is suck Dick in a hijab because I would be mad probably that was like one of the first jokes I ever wrote was in my very first standup set that I ever did. And I was so proud of that joke. And like I got off stage and someone was like, that jokes really elitist. And I was like, you know, I can't fucking help if you don't know who Salomon, right? Like, I can't help the fight. You didn't go to college if you don't know who she is. And if you don't know who me and Khalifa is, or if your boyfriend who you're with at the show, doesn't know who me and Khalifa is, he's lying.
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So there you go. It tells you everything you need to know about the audience right away. It's a great opener. And you,
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Do you talk about porn in your, in your comedy?
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Absolutely. Yeah. It's I mean, I, I really,
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I would get you to get the eye, the guy's attention right away.
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It's one of those things, like I really try to, from the get-go, like, I didn't want to be pigeon-holed as like a comic that can only talk about one thing. So I, when I first started my entire set about porn, because porn is so funny and like you said, people, their ears perk up. Like people are fascinated by it. They want to hear about it. So when I first started, I did so many jokes like that. And then, you know, I really got very serious about it and was like, okay, this is a part of my identity. It's a part of my life. I don't want to hide it. I'm never going to be like, don't talk about it or don't mention that I did it. But at the same time, I want to be able to do social commentary and talk about my dating life or by parents or whatever on stage as well.
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And so, you know, I try to like mix it up with other stuff, but I definitely come back to it a lot. And if I feel like I'm losing the audience, it's a really easy thing to throw out there and be like, by the way, you can see my Bumble on the internet. So if you don't think this is funny, at least you can. I see,
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Okay. You go to, you mentioned dating. How does I don't this might be on also on the list of questions not to ask, but how does performing and I do mean adult performing affect your dating
2 (33m 41s):
Life. I do want to be clear. I'm not a PR, like I did ask that question for other people. Cause I care really deeply about the way the sex workers are portrayed, but like, they're like no questions. I won't answer. Like literally, like I just, I'm a very open book about almost everything. Like I am happy to talk about things and you know, but I, I know that not everyone else's. So it was more focused on that. I will say, I think dating and I, I do a joke about this as well that like dating in standup, I think is real, is harder than dating in porn, mean like dating and porn is just like agreeing to like work a little bit of extra overtime for no pay.
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Like sucks. But if you, I love that. Thank you.
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Whereas like dating in comedy is like, I, I have a joke about that too, where I'm like, I went through a phase where I would only date mediocre comics because they know how to choke. And I wrote that joke on a really specific comic who really did not like it, but that joke was about him. And, but yeah, I mean, it's hard. I didn't date. I've been single since I was 22, 23, since I got into porn, basically I never dated anyone while I was in porn. It just wasn't like, it wasn't my focus. And I did end up like in a, kind of a long distance relationship. The last year I was in porn and it was like, I had just like met someone that really kind of changed my life and changed my perspective that I really fell for.
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And it was one of the things that started me, like the gears in my head turning of, okay, we're going to do something else at some point. And I really admire, I know a lot of sex workers that are in very happy relationships or happy, monogamous relationships. I'm not capable of that. Turns out. I, I couldn't do it. Like it became, I mean, I would cry when I was going to work and not because they didn't want to go to work or cause they didn't like my job, but just, I really didn't want to fuck anyone else. And that was so hard for me. But it also, I think was so good for
3 (35m 53s):
Me. That's a w yeah, that, that's,
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That's a problem if you're, if you're doing adult because
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You know, then yeah, I understand.
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It just started the gears turning of being like, okay, like I am going to do something else. And, and that was right when I started getting into standup as well. And so initially I had planned like 20, 20, I was gonna phase out like through the year and then COVID happens. So it's about everything up, but I am dating someone right now, which is really cool. Yeah. Another former sex worker and she's amazing and yeah, and we're not monogamous, but very honest with each other. And I just feel really loved and really seen. And, and that's really wonderful. So I feel really like,
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That's beautiful now, what do you think the future of porn and online sex work looks like?
2 (36m 44s):
Oh my God, I wrote this question. This is such a hard question to answer. I have like such empathy for all of the people I interview now turns out, I ask really hard questions. There you go. I really think that this past year, and I know there's been a lot of discussion, the scores around only fans and porn and porn hub and everything that's been going on this year. I love the idea of having like more like bespoke porn like that you really buy directly from the creator, whether it's on only fans or any other platform where you support them individually for my brand, that works really well.
2 (37m 27s):
So I'm really lucky for that. And so I like that a lot. I think we're really having more serious conversations about labor and especially women's labor through the pandemic. Like if we look at like a job like net job losses in the United States in December, a hundred percent of job losses were women. And to summarize that crazy, it was in the New York times, obviously fucking crazy. So we're really starting to see more people that maybe in the past would have been like, I would never do porn. I would never do sex work that are now on only fans. And I, you know, obviously you want women to have as many options as they want for what kind of labor that they do.
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But I think a lot of people are starting to realize that like, Hey, it really is the girl next door it's okay for women to be publicly sexual in a consensual environment with people that are routine like it's, that is okay. And I kind of had joked even when I first got into porn, cause like I went to college, I have like two degrees. And when I first got into porn, a lot of people were like, you're throwing your life away. What the fuck is wrong with you? And I was like, give it 10 years. Every single person's are going to be on the internet. And I'm like, not even four years later, I feel so vindicated in that prediction is that we're I really think that we're starting to have a, a greater cultural discourse around what porn is, what it can be and who it can benefit because you know, like I said earlier, it's one of the only professions where it has a very low barrier of entry.
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Like you need an iPhone and an internet connection, right? Like you don't need to have all of these things that we associate with being really successful in like generational wealth. You don't have to have those kinds of connections. So you can really make a very comfortable living from your phone. That's huge for women. Right. So I, I love that. I think that's fantastic. I w whenever I talk to people that want to get into sex work, or that are curious about it, I just say, you know, it's, it is a job. Like anything else, it's a unique job. It's a very difficult job, but it can be a really rewarding job. And I also think that too, like just the ways we talk about labor, right?
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Like I, a big part of why I got into porn was cause I didn't want to work 80 hours a week. Right. I didn't my friends, the guy I got out of school with, you know, that went and got these incredible internships in San Francisco, New York and blah, blah, blah. I mean, they were working 80 hours a week for $20 an hour and just getting absolutely bombed every weekend because they were miserable. And I didn't want that to be my life. And I understand, you know, especially in your twenties, when you're young and you can travel and you have the energy to go do things, you don't have kids, you don't have those responsibilities. Like I wanted to enjoy my twenties. And I really think I did a pretty good job at that.
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Obviously. And they're, they're far from over, how did you transition from the adult industry into mainstream comedy and podcasting
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By being really stubborn and not shutting up until people in the citizens? No, I just, I kind of took what I had and I, I just took stock of what I was doing. And when I started doing standup and everything and being like, okay, you know, like I want to do this. And I, I never went into it with the attitude of like, and I kind of learned this from porn, especially too. Like I never went into it. The attitude of like, I don't deserve to be here. Like, I, I really, I got a lot of, a lot of self-confidence from doing porn. I think it's hard not to. Right. You're in this environment all the time where people are telling you, you're so hot and you're so beautiful. You're so great. And it's hard not to like fluff your own ego a little bit, but for me, I really needed that because I did not have high self-esteem when I was younger.
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I did not feel that way about myself. And so for me, like getting into porn really was like, okay, if I could do this year. And I mean, I moved to LA, like I look back on it. I'm like, oh my God. If I knew myself three years ago, moving to LA, I would've been like, don't do. And I'm so glad it worked out as well as it did. I, I would've worn myself off of it. I'm glad I wasn't there to do that to myself. But like, well, my favorite, not my favorite place, but that's okay. I love it. I get why people don't love it. I really do think people are going to talk about LA in like 20, 20 or 2021, the way that they talked about like New York in the seventies where it's like, it was disgusting and there's hobo piss everywhere, but it was gritty and it was raw and it was real.
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And you couldn't have had it back then. You know what I mean? But no, I mean, I, I just went into it and I like said what I thought and I worked hard and I made those connections. I mean, I think another big thing about porn that people don't really talk about. Like, you can build up a huge online following and have all of these followers on Twitter, Instagram, PornHub, whatever. You really build a name for yourself. And I I'm good friends with Carter Cruz. Who's another performer. Who's also a DJ. And she, she and I talk about this all the time where she's like, when I built the brand of Carter Cruz, I built it to be I'm this fucking dope ass chick who can do anything.
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Not I'm part of her is a porn star. And I I'm, mine was the same mentality where I was like, I'm Kate Kennedy, I'm fucking rad. Like I can do whatever. And I think having that bigger mindset where you can do porn, you can do sex work, you can do adult work. And you also want to leave room to do other things in your life that you want to do. Cause the most successful people that I see in the porn industry are not people that just do porn, right. There are people that have other side ventures, whether it's backend production within the industry, whether it's, I know people that own clothing, boutiques and soap companies and all this random other stuff and do comedy in seven.
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And those are the people that I see later being very happy, very successful, very fulfilled.
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That brings up. That brings up a question you live in LA. So, you know, obviously the question would come up. Do you have interest in mainstream film work?
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Hey, just joined central casting and yeah. Cause one of my friends hit me up and was like, he wrote three legged dog. Right. And I was like, yeah, he's like, there's a casting call for a three legged dog and an owner. So I like submitted squeegee and I, and I don't think we got a call back. I know it's okay. I don't really, I, I really want to be a writer. I write a lot and I would really love to be a writer on a show like a sit-com, especially like adult animation. I always kind of joke like, like something like big would be like right up my alley. I love it all animation. I love south park and family guy and everything been a huge fan of that since I was very young.
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So, and that's a great thing about comedy to an LA and especially being around the comedy store. Is that like the it's very generational. Right? So like my friends right now, my good close friends in LA are like the next people that are going to come up that are starting to open for like bill Burr and are going on the road with, you know, whoever. And, and that's really cool. And so, you know, that like people that hire for those shows, they hire their friends. So it's like, okay, like I want to be in a writer's room for something like that. And I'm actually in a writer's room right now. So it's exciting. Yeah. So I mean, that's what I want to do. I don't have a lot of ambitions to be in front of the camera as like an actress.
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I kind of joked. I always thought it was pretty bad acting even in porn, which is saying something because although I will say there are incredible actors and actresses isn't born. I was not one of them. I'm definitely more of a writer. I love standup. Cause I just, I kind of joked to him. Like I can really only play myself or like version someplace else. I love it. I love
1 (45m 43s):
It. Well, you know, Hey, you may be right now surrounded by the next people that will be on SNL and shows like
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That. Actually one of my friends just got SNL last summer. It was really exciting. Yeah. Punky Johnson. She got SNL and it was really cool. I mean, like I only met her a couple of times at the store, but she, yeah, we all had, we took a big picture with her and had her name up on the marquee and it was really exciting. It's just so cool to get to like be around people like that. They get to go on to do these incredible things. Like you're so excited for them. Yeah. Huge. So
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What do people get wrong about your job that you wish they understood?
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Okay. I asked this question to all of the girls in the show too, cause I think that's so good. I think the biggest thing people get wrong is how much, not just creativity goes into it, but how much a drive has to go into it. Like it's fucking hard to film content when you're exhausted and you don't feel sexy and you've gained a couple of pounds and you're pale and you have the hair of like the gay little brother of one of the Basie rollers, which I do right now. I've been cutting my own hair for a year. I have not gotten more sober while I do it or better at doing it.
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Yeah. It's, it's not great. It's hard. It's really hard to like consistently be coming up with like new ideas for content. How you're really a one man operation. Right? Like my whole only fence of like, I have to create right. Shoot, edit, like style it and then like put it up by like, and sell it. Like that's an enormous amount of work. Like I, when I was in college, I worked at an advertising firm for a couple of years and I ended up like running their internship program and I worked really hard, but like we had a staff of 30 people that were creating less content on a weekly basis than I create alone
3 (47m 51s):
Now. Yeah. No wonder you do so well there.
2 (47m 55s):
So like it's I know you didn't hire me after college. My life would have gone in a very different direction. I'm glad now in retrospect I'm glad, but yeah. I mean it's, it really is hours. I have like five different calendars. Right? I have to write everything down. I am constantly jotting down ideas like, and also just understanding that like, cause you can get really caught up in it too. Right? It's a job that you can do any time. You're your own boss. And I joke that I'm an absolutely fucking terrible boss. I'm the worst boss I've ever had. And I used to work for this little Chinese woman that hit me. If she saw me using my phone, I worked in bridal for a while.
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I was in college and if she saw me like texting, she would just smack me and I'd be like, you can't do that to your employer. Like I don't mean to be insensitive, but this is America. Like you cannot do that. That's really not cool. And then I
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Quit getting the visual ratios, like four
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11. She was like teeny tiny. And then I finally quit. And then like two weeks later, I'm not giving, I'm not shitting you two weeks later, her son drowned. I know. And he was like 15, it was terrible. It's a terrible, it's really sad. But like how awkward of a sympathy card is that right? Yeah. Like I'm so sorry that you're. And also he was definitely her favorite child. Like she was very clear, but she liked him better than the other. I need a Chinese son, man. That's that's traffic. It was very tragic. But it is like, you have to, like, I really build in days for myself where I'm like, you have to take the day off.
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You have to relax. You have to not work. Like you have to close the door on the office, whatever, because it, you put an enormous amount of pressure on yourself and you're always too late, constantly inundated with all of this. All of the people that you follow on Twitter on Instagram, whatever, like your coworkers, colleagues that are, is doing it. And you can get in a mindset of feeling like I'm not doing enough. I'm not good enough, et cetera, et cetera. And it's so hard to break out of that. And so I really just try to be so kind to myself all the time, because it's a hard job
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You got to.
1 (50m 14s):
Well, okay. This has been absolutely delightful. I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on adults. I broke her talk and I really hope we'll get a chance to do this again really soon.
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Me too. Thank you so much for having me and anyone listening. Please go listen to our podcast. It's cam girl Chronicles presented by I'm live and you can find email@example.com.
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What broker tip today is part two of how to buy a site. Last week, we discussed first deciding the type of site you want to buy and then establishing what your budget is next. It's time to look for your new website. So where do you look? Well, adult site broker is a great place to start. We always have a nice variety of website and non website properties for sale. But if there's a particular type of site you want, we can also act as your buyer's broker to help you find just the right site. Other places to look are boards like X biz.net and dot com. But to be completely honest, unless what you're looking for is a really low end property.
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You're probably not going to find what you're looking for there. Of course you could contact site owners yourself, but take it from someone who does it for a living. It's a major hassle, and it can be really hard to even find out who owns the site. Almost all adults sites use who is privacy from their domain registrar. So when you send them an email, it will be to an anonymous address. And in most cases, the emails aren't even returned. We have a huge database of sellers and generally know who owns what. And if it's a website of note, if we don't know who owns it, we can always find out, we'll talk about this subject more next week.
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And next week we'll be talking to sex tech expert, Nina Siani. And that's it on this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank our guest Kate Kennedy. Talk to you next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.