Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 51 with Vicky Vette of Vette Nation

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My guest today, Dan, and I'll say, broker talk has adult star and entrepreneur Vicky vet Vicki. Thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk. Thanks for having me. Hey, it's always good to have you Vicky. Okay. Now Vicki was born in Norway and moved to Canada as a child. She started her journey and adult in 2003, after winning hustlers beaver hunt at the ripe young age of 38. And she still doesn't look a day over 30. By the time the winning layout was shot. She was already 39, the oldest beaver to ever win it. Now, prior to that, she was in the corporate world. Everything from bookkeeper to general manager and controller, as she describes it, I never really fit into normal jobs because I led a double life prudish, small town conservative by day, raging swinger.

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At night, when she went beaver hunt, she was offered film roles and the rest, as they say is history. She went on to star and over 130 movies and was lucky enough to be nominated for best new starlet and to win an AVN award for best teas right off the bat right away. She started her own official site after she learned some basic web mastering skills. In 2006, she decided to focus on online adult entertainment. She took a gamble and stop making DVDs so she could spend more time with the site. And then obviously turned out to be a great move. Considering where DVDs are today for a few months, fans thought she had retired until they discovered she was producing her own content for the internet and releasing it herself.

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The online world accepted her brand of goofy reality porn and the website flourished. Her fans started to call themselves the vet nation army or VNA. She started to ask some of the hottest girls in the biz to join her in the VNA. Thus, the VNA girls were born VNA started in 20 2009 when she added sunny lane, Shondra, Fey, and Sarah J how that rhymes after adding girls like Nikki Benz, Puma, suede, and Julie, and things really took off. When it got to 12 sites, she nicknamed the girls, the dirty dozen. Now there are 30 to 40 sites and 60 live girls.

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It's better than dead ones. Vicky has won a number of awards, including the hall of fame by AVN and web store of the year. Twice by ex-business side is one best porn star website, and best solo site, twice, or list of awards this as long as encyclopedia Britannica. So we can't list them all. Let's just say Vicky's been nominated for and won eight ton of awards. So Vicky, that's all we have time for. Sorry. You don't, you don't do many interviews at all. Why did you say yes to me?

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Because we had such a nice lunch together back in Dresden, Germany when we were at X is in Berlin and you seem like a nice person. So I'm actually, I'm actually really shy. Believe it or not. I don't really like giving interviews.

1 (5m 54s):
It's a hard one. That's a hard one to believe. Yeah. We sat right across from each other and it was delightful. Yes. Was you and I talked the whole time.

2 (6m 3s):
Yeah. And you're a talker

1 (6m 6s):
Who me? Nah, come on. Nah, never, never, never. Okay. So how often do you cam lately?

2 (6m 15s):
More than I like to, I find Cammy is really hard. You have to be, you know, someone's mistress, lover, friends, you know, psychiatrist. Sure. I mean, you know, you never know what you're going to get. You know, it's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. I mean, it could be anything from upscale routes to domination, to, you know, they want you to be their teacher, their secretary. I mean, you just never know, but I, I don't cam on any of the networks, I just do my one hour a week on my own network being alive.

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And the rest is just private Skype shows with, with fans.

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Do you know how many sites you guys have now? 30 to 40? You said,

2 (7m 7s):
Just go look@vnagirls.com. Cause it does. It changes. Sometimes. Sometimes the girls leave for a little while and you know, they might think, oh, the grass is greener somewhere else. And then they come back or they just retire for a while. They just take time off and they, you know, they just, they come and go. So

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How do you like kind of being the, the ringleader, the house mother or whatever it is for all these, all these porn stars.

2 (7m 38s):
I actually love it. You know, we're, we're a team. We work together the way the V and a live system works. I don't know if you totally understand it. There's not actually any money on the system. You don't get paid for doing cam shows. It's only girls who have subscription based membership sites and every girl is supposed to do one hour a week

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Supposed to do right,

2 (8m 4s):
Right. Into what we call our cam ring. So it's like an ongoing live content trade all the time. So every girl that's in the network has a feed to their site. So a lot of the girls, I'm not their webmaster. We have girls like Daisy, Dustin, and lay love Kelly, cabana, Chelsie, double D all these girls that I'm not their webmaster. I don't run their sites. I don't get any money from their sites, but they cam on our network and they get the feeds so they can get, you know, 30, 40, 50 hours a week of live content for their members. So they get a nice mix of, you know, they get Sarah, Jay, they get Julia. And you know, you get teens, you get MILFs, you get penthouse pets, you get BBWs.

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Sometimes we have some, some training girls on, on the site. It, it depends. And so you had a nice mix of everything. And so if you're a solo girl, that's great because you know, you're competing, you're one solo site is competing against naughty America and browsers with all their content in different sites. So it kind of puts you into that same ballpark. And we have 17,000 hours plus of archives that people can watch. So they get hooked up to that immediately. And then we have a members forum, which is pretty active also. So you get a lot out of it.

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Yeah, I do. I do I get the impression when you said they're supposed to do that? Not all of them do it. No.

2 (9m 33s):
And I used to be really tough about it. You know, if you didn't do your schedule shows, I would kick you out of the network. In the beginning, I was kicking people out. I was really overzealous about it, but you know, in my old age of softened up a lot and you know, things have changed now, girls are making more money on only fans than they are on their websites. So I can't be that enforcer that I used to be.

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Should I ask that? You said your, you said your old age, you

2 (10m 3s):
Don't do your shows. It's going to show in your membership sales, you know, so it's kind of a self-correcting system. If you don't, if you're not where you're supposed to be, when you say you're going to be there, it's going to come back on you. So I don't need to, I don't, I don't need to be that heavy because it fixes itself.

1 (10m 20s):
Well, that's good. You said at your old age, should I ask how old you are?

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I'm 55. My God.

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You look wonderful. Thank

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You. Especially for being so late at night.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, you know, I saw, I saw Dolly Parton recently and I can't believe she's 75. Of course. I know. I started to my God, my God, she's a Juul. Sure.

2 (10m 48s):
With her money, she can afford the best of every single procedure. Okay. I

1 (10m 52s):
Hope so. I would hope so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 75, my God, she's still, still, it looks like she did 30 years ago, but 40 years ago, but that's, that's awesome. Yes. Plastic surgery is a wonderful thing. So tell us about the new cam system and why it's so special.

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I absolutely love it. We have audio for the members. So the models video is huge, obviously. And then we have a row across the bottom where I think what you, depending on the size of your monitor, obviously, but I have a 32 inch monitor so I can fit, I think, easily 10 or 12 cams across the bottom. I think we can go up to 20 members that can get on cam. And so there'll be sliders where you can slide back and forth to see them all. And I can turn on their audio and they have an audio switch on their end to where they, they have to also allow their own audio. Right. And they can turn the audio of other members on and off as well.

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So it's quite fascinating. So we really get to know each other really well. And you know, my, I have had members who joined my website back in, when did I start my website? 2004, I think 2005. It started getting bigger. Yeah. I've had members that have stayed with me the whole time. They've been members for 14, 15 years, 16 years. Some of them. Yeah. So a lot of them have become really good friends. And we now refer to it like, cheers, you know, the place where everybody knows your name and everyone's glad you came literally. And so we actually have a lot of female members now, too.

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And they get on cam also sometimes they'll get topless. We've had couples get on cam and the guy will give the girl a blow job right on cam. So I'll just sit back and relax and watch the show.

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Do you mean the girl will get, you mean, the girl would give the guy a blow drum?

2 (12m 53s):
Yeah. Oh no. You said

1 (12m 55s):
The opposite. I was going to say, well, that'd be, that'd be interesting. Yeah. So have you ever heard anything in the audio that I just want to hear?

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Well, no, just on, on Sunday I was doing myself with a Hitachi and one of the girls was doing herself with a Hitachi at the same time and she was hollering and you know, it was such a turn on to be doing it together with everybody watching. And then she dropped the Hitachi right next to the microphone though, to her cam. And it was like, it's like, it killed art. Like,

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Yeah. That'll, that'll blow the old, that'll blow the old eardrums out for sure.

2 (13m 38s):
Started thing. I mean, it's, it's a real community. I mean, you can join other websites and just, you know, randomly kind of generically download porn. But when you join the VNA, it's different. You know, people do become friends. We actually had people meet in our cameras and on our member's forum and then go meet outside in person. I think, you know, the woman was from Texas and the guy was from Montreal or something like that. And they actually met and dated for a long time and became a couple for a couple of years. So things like that happen or they come see us all at a convention where we're all doing together and they all come hang out and we go out for dinner, we've gone bowling with all of the members we've gone on bicycle rides, rollerblading, you know, just things like that.

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And so we really do not, we went out and sang karaoke one night with all the members after a convention.

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Sounds like, sounds like the Vienna, the VNA social club.

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Yeah. It really is. That's how we try to make it. And you have to nowadays, I mean, there's so much competition, but I mean, we've been doing that since day one. That's how we started. That's how we branded ourselves and made.

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Yeah, well, that's dare to be different. I always say now worked so far, obviously with COVID we haven't been able to see each other for a while, which is really sad. Are how much are you looking forward to in person conventions? Again,

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Be honest, a little while before. COVID my last convention that I went to was exotica New Jersey. And I had a really terrible experience. Now I'm really touchy, feely with my members. I mean, I go to extreme lengths to make sure that they get really good pictures. I mean, they're paying money for these pictures. They want to show them to their friends. So, you know, I'll take their hands and put them on my boobs. I'll bend over and tell them to grab my hair and act like they're having sex with me. And you know, or I'll bin them over and act like I'm doing them. Or, you know, I, I do all this crazy stuff. And so I'm really nice to people. And this one guy kept on trying to put his finger up my JJ during, during the picture.

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And I took his hand and put it back around my waist and I said, please don't do that. And then we smiled for the camera and he went again, you know, I slapped his hand down and I S I said, look, you know, I'm just going to cancel this picture. Forget about, okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So then we smile for the picture get, and does he need to do it again and got his finger right inside my panties right up my BJJ, it hurt. I was furious. I almost started crying because I just, I can't even describe the feelings that was just overwhelming. And I screamed at him and told him to get out of my booth. And then of course people came running and chased them away.

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And then I kind of stormed off and went to the restaurant and I'm like, I'm not doing this shit anymore. I'm done. I'm set up, you know, took a couple hours off, cool. Cooled off and went back to my booth. But that really changed my attitude because I never talked to me before

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Traumatic. That's really traumatic. I, I, I'm sorry. I gave you credit for not running him off the first time he tried it and maybe that's and maybe, and maybe he in retrospect, that's what you should have done. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, so maybe no more, no more fan shows.

2 (17m 12s):
No, I miss them now. I've pulled off. I'm over it. I'm okay. I'll just probably be a little bit more careful and just maybe have a little bit more security around me in case it happens again.

1 (17m 23s):
It's a good idea. Have a, have a, have a big formal, former football player that can flatten the guy. That would be what I would do. Find somebody who played linebacker at Ohio state or something like that. And that'll take care of the problem. I don't think anybody will mess with you. How about B2B shows? Yeah. I love them. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Looking forward

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To, I mean, that's where I make people like you.

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Yeah. I miss my family. I miss my family

1 (17m 50s):
And the people in this industry are definitely my family. So it's, it's sad. It's definitely a loss because I do enjoy that. I'm hoping for Prague in, in September, they've got one scheduled for July. Hi. I'd like to think that's going to happen, but I okay. Well, they

2 (18m 7s):
Say by the end of may, everybody, at least in the U S everybody who wants a vaccine,

1 (18m 12s):
But not Europe, Europe, Europe's way behind. They just started. Yeah. I mean, we're recording this in beginning of March and they're just starting vaccinations in Thailand. So they're way behind. And I don't even know if I want the vaccine. They have hair. So anyway, well, they got the AstraZeneca and they've got the one from China, which you'd have to pay me a million dollars to take, and I still might not take it. So anyway, there you go. I assume I should

2 (18m 50s):
Still get the vaccine, even though I had COVID.

1 (18m 53s):
Yes. Oh, you did? Yeah. How was that?

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We were in Paris when all of this started last March a year ago.

1 (19m 5s):
I was in Arizona

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At the Madonna concert. Oh, wow. With, with about 4,000 Italians. So chances of not getting it, where is it?

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Italy? Yeah. Italy was the first place that really, really had a problem outside of China.

2 (19m 25s):
Well, we went to see Madonna at this theater. It was, so it was horribly packed. I mean, he could have moved. People were just like shoulder to shoulder in there and it was hot and sticky and, but the show was amazing. Oh,

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Was it the first time you saw her? Yes. Yeah. I haven't, I haven't seen it. She comes right

2 (19m 46s):
Out in the audience and sits down with people. She'll grab your beer and take a swig of it and talks to people. So she got COVID too.

1 (19m 57s):
Did she? And, and, and, and did you, I mean, was it, did you have it severely, did you, how was it

2 (20m 5s):
Friday? No, sorry. It was Wednesday. I was in bed. It was like two o'clock. I had just gone to sleep. Yeah. I was in Ireland at that time because we were moving around and all of a sudden my phone started going crazy. Everybody that I know in the USA started texting me, Hey, you got to come home right now. Donald Trump just made this decree that if you're not home by Friday the 13th at midnight, you might not get back in this country. So he created this great big panic. So we had to, we had to give up sleep that

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Night. He was good. He was, he was really good at that, by the way,

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Sit on the phone all night long with Virgin, whoever British airways, try and get tickets to come back, which was nearly impossible because everybody was doing it. So the tickets were thousands of dollars. So we were in somewhere three hours, south of Dublin. So the next day we drove back to Dublin, got a same day ticket back to London, slept at the airport in London. The next day I got another same day ticket to come home on a plane that was crowded to the hilt. And people were just coughing all over us and you know, it was horrible. So I got home and I hadn't slept for a couple of days. And I thought I just had jet lag. So I just, you know, took it easy and stayed in bed.

2 (21m 24s):
I just had severe muscle aches. Nothing else? Really? No fever, no cough, nothing just muscling.

1 (21m 31s):
Good. Good, good, good, good. You were one of the lucky ones. So what's a, what's a typical day like for you.

2 (21m 39s):
I get up in the morning and I go through about a hundred emails and then I go on my only fans and I go through about 200 messages over there. Try to sort out the important ones. Then I grabbed my dogs and go for a good run. Nice. And come back, eat, edit the videos that I shot the day before, update the websites. We have. We have a crew of people that work for us in Mexico. They actually edit video and update all the websites. So I check in with them. They also do uploading for us to all the tubes. We have another guy.

2 (22m 21s):
Well, we actually have two people in the Tampa area that worked for us. So check in with them. I have a programmer in Holland that does stuff for me, check in with him, make sure the cam system is working check in with the guy that does the archive, you know, so it's just a lot of just babysitting everything and plus doing my own stuff. It's, it's getting harder and harder because I don't know anymore my model and my a webmaster and my manager, like, you know, I still edit my own videos. What am I? I'm just like everything. I'm a little bit of everything.

1 (22m 56s):
Well, it sounds like you've got a well-oiled machine there. I mean, that's, that's, that's quite an operation you've got.

2 (23m 3s):
Yeah. And we've always kind of been outsiders, you know, we've never really been in the LA clinic because we're in Florida before that we were in Atlanta, Georgia. So I've never really been kind of the in crowd, I guess, kind of like an island. You know, we do everything in house until it got too big and then we started hiring it out, but not to the typical people, but finally, after all this time, I'm with mojo host and I have Conrad from NEC bunny, if you know him. So he's the one that did this amazing cam system for us. So

1 (23m 39s):
He's very good. He's very good as mojo host. No doubt, no doubt about it. Oh, and by the way, you, you pronounced Florida different than you did in your email.

2 (23m 50s):
I said Florida. Yeah. That's

1 (23m 51s):
Better. That's better. Okay. Much. Very good. Very good. How do you feel about PornHub?

2 (23m 59s):
I was in this business before PornHub and if they're ever gone, I'll probably still be here after, but you know, you have to play the cards that you're dealt and if it was just me, I might do things differently, but because I'm responsible for the paychecks of a whole bunch of other girls, I have to make sure that everybody makes money in every single possible way. So, you know, you got to dance with the devil. Right.

1 (24m 29s):
Okay. So I guess, I guess your, I guess your feelings about it, isn't a them and other tubes. Isn't exactly positive. Well,

2 (24m 38s):
We're actually making a lot of money off of the other tubes. Like way more. Yeah.

1 (24m 45s):
Why, why, why? Way more than, than PornHub. No, they're big. I don't,

2 (24m 50s):
I don't. Yeah, but you know, we make way more from X hamster and X videos

1 (24m 59s):
Or has never been big for us. Yeah. That's interesting. Not

2 (25m 3s):
Sure why, but since they got rid of all the stolen porn, our website sales on all the sites have gone up and all of the, all of the affiliate sales from PornHub and even from the other tubes, all the fully sales have gone up as well. So that's been good for us. It's

1 (25m 22s):
Amazing what it took to finally have that happen. But it's a, it's a wonderful thing for the industry. And I think in the long run, it'll be a wonderful thing for them too. I think they, I think that that whole thing not necessarily positive for the industry because of the negative publicity, but at the same time, I think that PornHub is going to come out ahead and the whole industry will come out ahead because a lot of the unauthorized, all the unauthorized content on a way, which is, which is great,

2 (25m 52s):
But you know, if only it had been like that the whole time, it would have been

1 (25m 56s):
Great. Yup. Yup. Yup. Well that, wasn't their original business model, unfortunately. And yeah. Dance with the devil, I guess that's the best way to put it. Huh. Now do you think there will always be pay sites? Something, some people say it's a thing. Yeah.

2 (26m 15s):
Yes. Because it's your, it's your base, you know, so many other platforms just come and go. I mean, I'm sure if you sit here and think for a minute, you can come up with a lot of names of platforms that have gone under, right. Yeah. And you know, for a while, Snapchat was huge, right. And now Snapchat is kind of gone down and then it's only fans and then it's something else. And you know, your, your website is going to always be there. And plus you can put all your links to everything on your website. Of course the affiliates hate that because you know, people go to your site and then they jump to the other social media, but we have to be fair to the girls and give them proper exposure and keep their star as high as possible everywhere.

2 (26m 59s):
But yeah, people always come back to this place. And a lot of times people will join only fans. And they'll find it's getting really expensive, paying $10 for every single video. So then they'll join your site too. And they jumped back and forth. And then you have the super fans that follow you everywhere. There'll be on, they'll buy your mini vids, they'll buy your loyal fans. They'll buy your only fans will buy your website. They'll, they'll go everywhere that you are.

1 (27m 22s):
Yeah. You talked about the affiliates and the, and the, you know, the referred to the traffic leaks involved with the, with linking to other things it's necessary. And they're not going to find a site now that doesn't do that. Right. So it can be frustrated, but they'll have to be frustrated with the industry because it's the whole industry.

2 (27m 44s):
Exactly. And you just have to be everywhere. You have to be, you have to try everything and see which one works.

1 (27m 50s):
Indeed. Indeed. So how is the VNA different from other networks?

2 (27m 57s):
It's a community. It's not just a place where you go to download porn. It's actually a community. We have a requests thread in the forum. Cool. So guys can post, I would love to see you doing, you know, whatever. And you know, lo and behold, a week or two later, there it is on the site it's done for them. We use, we use their name sometimes in the videos. Yeah. It's, it's personal. It's really personal. And I, I know the dog's names of my members.

1 (28m 30s):
Yeah. That's neat. Yeah. Any time you make things personal and you make things interactive, it's going to have a lot more chance of being successful as opposed to just porn on a site.

2 (28m 46s):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We do a good, we do a really good job of that. I think. Sorry. It's always been our strength. Yeah.

1 (28m 53s):
Well, and yeah. And it sounds like your members,

2 (28m 55s):
We're still in the game, even with all this competition, crazy amount of competition from only fans and everywhere

1 (29m 3s):
Else. Yeah. But there's no competition to what you do from what I see. I think you guys are one of a kind, I'm surprised more. Haven't tried to emulate you so good for you, you know? Yeah. Good for you. It's all. It's, it's all Vicky. I mean, you're, you're the one that started it and you've put it all together. So you deserve a lot of credit, you know, you're one of a kind, there's no two ways about it. Now. How do you feel about Twitter going to a new pay model?

2 (29m 32s):
I think it's a good thing. If, if the end result is that we don't have to post all of our nude stuff on Twitter, then it's a good thing. I think all porn should be behind paywall. Yeah. I mean, that's how it should be. And the only reason why I have to post, I try not to post pink on Twitter. Only, only topless, but even in our website tours, you know, we have explicit content in our tours. All you have to do is click the button that says I'm over 18. And then you get to see pink. And I don't think that's correct, but we don't have a choice because even if we stopped doing it here in the states, they're still going to do it in all the other countries.

2 (30m 13s):
So if we want to compete, we don't have a choice. We have to do it. But if somehow we could get at where everything is behind a paywall, I think that would be, be a good thing because 12 and 13 year old boys are looking at Twitter and seeing, you know, anal prolapse videos and the stuff they put out there for free it's, it's traumatic, Twitter needs. They shouldn't be exposed

1 (30m 38s):
To that. Yeah. Twitter, Twitter needs to definitely moderate that because that's, you know, that that should not be happening.

2 (30m 46s):
So if they go the same as Instagram, I'm totally good with that. I think it's going to only be better for business.

1 (30m 53s):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. For sure.

2 (30m 55s):
You honestly want to see the pink go join my site.

1 (30m 58s):
Yeah, definitely. But not if you're 12 or 13,

2 (31m 2s):
By the way, as

1 (31m 5s):
An aside, as an aside, they, they tried to Institute age verification in Europe and so far they've failed. Although I, I think eventually it's going to happen and I also expect it to happen in the states. What are your feelings about

2 (31m 19s):
If everybody would do it together, it would be a good thing, but that's the problem there isn't, there's no unity. Hm.

1 (31m 28s):
Yeah. I think, I think it's something the industry should, you should do before it gets put on us, because if we do it, then it's going to be a lot less traumatic and we won't have governments telling us how to.

2 (31m 43s):
Yeah. But how do you get all the different countries to do it together?

1 (31m 47s):
That's a good question. I mean, how

2 (31m 48s):
Do you talk to Brazil and Germany and, you know,

1 (31m 52s):
Get them to talk to him. Yeah, yeah. That

2 (31m 55s):
Would be nice. We can't even get, you know, people in our own neighborhood to talk to each other. Yeah. But yeah, but

1 (32m 2s):
You're yeah, but you're, you're in Florida. How does it Howard? How is it to live in Florida? By the way? I mean, I, you know, it seems like every

2 (32m 15s):
Week there's no COVID here.

1 (32m 17s):
Yeah. Right? Yeah. No, Texas either since they've gotten rid of all their rules, again, we're recording this in early March, so I'm sure the rules will be back on we by the time this, the strops, but that's just the way things go. But I mean, it seems like every strange story comes out of Florida,

2 (32m 37s):
But there's a reason for that. Yes. There's, there's a lot of crazy people in Florida, but there's a lot of crazy people in every state, but Florida has this open policy where anything that happens, it goes up on the internet that night, like somehow an hour later doesn't acknowledge. So there's all these. Huh. And it doesn't elsewhere. No it doesn't. Yeah. So there's, you know, these, all these websites forget the name of them, but there's all these websites, but every they're, they're checking every hour, you know, Florida what happened because it's publicly available like that. So they have fodder for their, you know, their clickbait or you know, all their stuff that they post, it's not available for other, I think you really, you really

1 (33m 25s):
Think that's the only thing I don't know. Okay. Okay. All right. If you all know, there's crazy people in Thailand, trust me and lots of them. Lots of them too. But I just, I just think there seems to be a different level of crazy in Florida. Just my

2 (33m 43s):
People have sex with their tailpipe of their car.

1 (33m 47s):
Yes. Yes. Things like that. Things like

2 (33m 49s):
That. I heard a man found.

1 (33m 53s):
Yeah, just Google, Google, Florida, man. You're going to be, you're going to be a, you're going to be reading all day. I love it. I love it. So how does it feel being a veteran in this industry 18 years now? I mean, that's, that's really,

2 (34m 11s):
Whoever knew that would happen. It was supposed to be part time. Yeah. No, it was, it was just for fun. It was, I just wanted to be a little bit adventurous, crazy, have some fun and it just turned into this. So I just went with it. I mean, I was in building with my second husband and that started making more money than, than the building business. So I was like, well, this is more fun.

1 (34m 41s):
We're in construction.

2 (34m 42s):
Yeah. We used to build log homes, custom log homes. Oh cool. Yeah. And then that kind of took a, a nosedive, you know, 2007, 2008. So it was perfect timing. Just switched over to this full time.

1 (34m 57s):
And, and what are your observations as to adult then an adult? No,

2 (35m 3s):
It's completely different. You know, when I started right, we had store signings. You know, you did a movie, they made a poster of you, beautiful poster. You would have a box cover shoot. You would have beautiful hair and makeup. Oh, danny.com. The days of catered food and just spending all day there and they treat you like a queen pay so much money and it was so great. You know, you get to shoot anything you want. Yeah. And so they would make a poster of you. They would hang it up in the, in the stores, you would have store signings where people would come and shower you with money.

2 (35m 46s):
You would go on feature dancing tours in the clubs and people just throw money at you. You know, you would do radio interviews once in a while you had a press person telling you what to say, how to answer questions, maybe telling you how to dress, helping you out, you know, telling you what looks good on you now you're just on your own. You are, you are the front line. You're on Twitter. And if you say something stupid, oh boy.

1 (36m 17s):
And there's a lot of that. There's a lot of that.

2 (36m 20s):
It's completely different, but it is better in a lot of ways too, because yes, we're more in control, but you know, women are more in control now, but still not enough. I mean, if we, if we look at all the companies, you know, chatter, bait streaming my free cams, video secrets, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all the tube sites, women don't own any of these companies. Right? It's all male dominated. It's still male dominated. I don't care what anybody tells you. They keep trying to sell this, that women are in charge, but it's, we're getting better. We're climbing the corporate ranks, but we're not there yet. But

1 (36m 60s):
It doesn't don't platforms like, like only fans and platforms like that. The copycats, the other ones that are like that, don't those kind of puts you in more control.

2 (37m 16s):
Yes, absolutely. That's what I'm saying. We're going in the right direction.

1 (37m 20s):
Yeah. Yes, absolutely. And there are some females CEOs. I know Alison Alison's had kink and you know, and there are some others, so yeah. Yeah. It's getting better. It's bedding getting better. So how did you get started in the industry

2 (37m 40s):
With beaver hunt? I was sitting at home, flipping through a hustler, lusting over some of the women. And I looked at my husband and said, do you think she's high? You think I should send my pitcher in? Look at this contest. He's like, yes, send it in, send it in. I'll take the pictures. So we sent them in all of a sudden, you know, I was a semifinalist. They called me and he said, are you serious? Do you really want to do? I'm like, yeah. So they flew me out to LA, I got $1,500. They put us up in a hotel, paid both for our airfare, came out there and did a photo shoot. It was such a piece of cake. I'm like, wow, this is like taking candy from a baby.

2 (38m 22s):
And while I was there, they introduced me to, I can't remember the girl's name now, but they said, would you do a girl, girl photo layout with her? And I said, yes, absolutely. You know? So, so then that was nice layout in, was it Sherry magazine or one of those then, you know, the contest goes on for awhile, the readers and fans vote. So then I won the grand prize. Wow. So they brought us out again, this time was $5,000 prize. Got the cover of the magazine. And by then my phone was ringing off the hook w from LA direct wanting to, for me to start doing movies.

2 (39m 3s):
So yeah, so it was so easy because we were already swingers anyways. So it was, you know, no big deal,

1 (39m 11s):
Big leap. So, so what were you started with hustler? What were your feelings about Larry Flint passing

2 (39m 19s):
Tragic. He was a legend and he was so nice to me. As, as I told you, I was the oldest beaver they ever had. And so when I went in his office for him to give me the check, you know, I talked to him for a little bit and I said, you know, do you think I'm too old to be starting por? And he said, no, he talked to me a bit. And he said, I think that you can do anything you want, anything you decide to do in this business, you can do. So he was really nice to me.

1 (39m 49s):
That must have been quite a vote of confidence coming from him.

2 (39m 52s):
It was. Yeah, exactly.

1 (39m 55s):
So what's the secret of staying in the business so long.

2 (39m 58s):
Don't screw anybody over. Just always be fair and equal to everybody. Just do the right thing. Don't get a bad reputation. It's really as simple as that work hard. Yeah. I don't know. I've had this network for this long and we've never had a problem with any talent ever. Like you would never find anybody out there gossiping about us or, or saying anything bad because we're, we're just really, really fair. Every decision that we ever make is based on what's going to be better for the girls.

1 (40m 33s):
Yeah. I can tell that because you've referred to it many times. Yeah. And not screwing anybody over. I I'm a hundred percent on that, man, because I, I refuse to do that and word travels so fast. Oh my God. It travels fast. Especially with social social media. Now

2 (40m 52s):
You actually feel bad now that I was such a Hitler back in the day when I first started the, the network, you will do your show. I thought you were from Sweden. Not Germany. I'm actually parked German.

1 (41m 10s):
Oh, there you go. Okay. That

2 (41m 13s):
Was half an hour a week. And I'm not Sweden. My mother was Norwegian and my father was half German and half Norwegian.

1 (41m 21s):
I got what I said a half hour ago. Okay. So, because if it's late at night for you, it's early in the morning for me. So how long are you going to keep doing this?

2 (41m 33s):
I don't. As long as people still want to see me naked, I guess somebody still wants to pay for me to take my clothes off. Who am I to argue?

1 (41m 43s):
That's right. That's right. And I don't know. I look

2 (41m 47s):
At you. Do you know, do, may do ma, D E a U X, M a. I still can't say her name properly. I should, but I bet she is. I think, oh, I celebrated her 60th birthday with her. Wow. Right before COVID last February. I think it was or January or something, whatever, in, in Mexico. So she must be 61 now 62 even. And she looks amazing. She has this flat, flat belly. She looks better than all the 20 and 30 year olds.

1 (42m 23s):
Yeah. I guess, I guess, you know, being over 30, you have to, you have to really watch what you eat and exercise, which you said you run, which is great.

2 (42m 37s):
Yeah. Yeah. But she keeps threatening to retire all the time. Every year. She says, this is my last year. This is my last year, eight years now.

1 (42m 48s):
And there's sh and there she is. So you, you obviously take good care of yourself, which is important.

2 (42m 54s):
Yeah, I try. Yeah. I like talking about a lot though.

1 (42m 58s):
It shows, it shows, oh, dog shaking. I've had that on my interviews before too. We have four. Do you ever get tired of interacting with fans? Once

2 (43m 9s):
In awhile, I have to take a break for a day or two. So I will put my phone away and just not look at my email and just, you know, do civilian things. I'm actually involved in a lot of, I take some classes and I'm involved in a lot of other extracurricular activities outside of porn. So sometimes you just need to take a mental break from it. And then after about two days you start missing it like crazy. And then you want to jump back right back in, because I sex a lot on my phone with guys and I don't know how, how other girls are, but when I'm sexting, I really am turned on. Like I really am into it.

2 (43m 49s):
I'm not faking it. I'm really actually having fun. There's only, there's a limit to how much you can do that. Right before it does start to kind of get old and get on your nerves. And you're like, if I see one more, a Dick pic scream. So like doing it myself, you know, most girls, they have assistance that when you think you're sexting with them, it's really not them. I mean, I have, I know girls that it's actually their mother.

1 (44m 22s):
Yeah. I was going to say, unlike a lot of them, you're not 300 pounds.

2 (44m 28s):
No, I know a girl that she had her grandmother working time for her answering the, the sexting and sending out her pictures.

1 (44m 37s):
Oh my God. Oh my God.

2 (44m 40s):
Yeah. It's really me.

1 (44m 41s):
I'm sure granting was hot.

2 (44m 44s):
And that's why some of those guys get irritated at me too. They'll be, they'll be texting me at 4:00 AM and there'll be mad by 5:00 AM. They're like, where are you? Why aren't you answering me? 6:00 AM. Oh, well, fuck you, bitch. You can't answer my texts. I'm like, hello, I'm sleeping. You know? Cause they're used to other accounts where someone's going to always be answering them because they have them on shifts. They have different people doing eight hour shifts, always taking care of their accounts so they can get the maximum amount of money out of it. But you're never actually talking to the object of your desire. Yeah.

1 (45m 15s):
That's, that's true. It's kind of like in business, you know, I get it. I get emails two, three in the morning, you know, and they're frantically wanting to talk to me and it's like, well, unless you're, unless you're in bed with me, you're not going to talk to me. So there you go. So I originally met you through ex-business dot net posting. How do you feel about industry boards in general?

2 (45m 40s):
I always feel guilty that I'm not on the boards as much as they want me to be. I feel like I'm, I'm failing them somehow, but you know, if you're on a board all day, having these huge conversations, you can't be actually working. I mean, how do you have time to be doing your work, right. Unless you're at a point in your career where you have everything organized and everybody else doing all the work, you know, I still physically have a lot of work to do. Like I said, I edit videos. I put them up and I'm sexting, I'm shooting, you know? Right. I'm working out. I mean, the only time I'm not working usually is I'm either exercising, walking the dogs or eating.

2 (46m 24s):
Other than that, if I'm awake, I'm working. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So I just don't have time to post on the boards and then people always make me feel guilty that I'm not contributing. Yeah. And then there's, then there's boards where people get into all these political fights and you start insulting each other. And then you're just like, I don't want to read this.

1 (46m 47s):
Yeah. That's been, that's been, that's been an issue. That's definitely been an issue that I, I have problems with. And I've, I've been an advocate of a separate political board. So if people want to argue about Donald Trump, they can do it elsewhere because when it comes to to business, I'd rather not talk about it. I'd rather not talk about him anyway. But when it comes to business, I'd rather not talk about it. That's that's for Facebook who keeps banning me for wishing people happy birthday. But anyway, I've

2 (47m 19s):
Had six Facebook accounts closed. I've given up. I haven't.

1 (47m 23s):
Yeah. But yeah. But yeah, but Vicki, this isn't about business. I got Heidi. Got it. I got a 30 day for wishing a friend happy birthday. Cause I kind of told a joke that made it sound like hate speech. So he said, so, so they said it's hate speech. And then I got another one for a meme that I reposted from Facebook before my 30 day ban. I got another 30 day ban. Finally shut the account. Now as yesterday, my business account, it says your access is limited and I can't even like a post. So yeah, I'm about ready to give up. I'm just about ready to give up. So, and

2 (48m 3s):
The thing is they banned me all the time and they leave all the imposters. Yeah, of course. If you go look on Facebook, you'll probably find about six, eight, 10 Vicki vets and none of them

1 (48m 13s):
And lots and lots of Russian trolls. So they never ban. So would you ever sell VNA? Hint, hint, hint.

2 (48m 27s):
Oh boy. Wow. I don't know. Not, not any time soon. I don't think I'm done yet. And of course, if I ever was to do something like that, I mean, how do you S what's it, what's it worth? How do you sell it? I

1 (48m 42s):
Mean, we can talk offline. We can talk. We can talk. Yeah, we can talk offline, but we can talk offline about it. It would be complicated, but it's certainly something we could come to a, you have to get

2 (48m 53s):
Every girl's agreement that, you know, you're going to keep this together as one unit and sell it and everyone's going to have to be happy with the, with the terms.

1 (49m 4s):
Interesting. That'd be interesting. Well, yeah, yeah. It would be a, it would be complicated, but Hey, I've dealt with complicated deals before. Yeah.

2 (49m 15s):
But, but not any time soon anyway. Cause I don't think I'm quite done yet.

1 (49m 21s):
I can tell, I can tell the passion. The passion is still there. My dare. The passion is still there.

2 (49m 28s):
No, I'm pretty happy. I think it's probably the happiest I've ever been in my life. Honestly. I

1 (49m 33s):
Can tell, I can tell it shows. So what's the best advice you can give to someone just starting out in the industry,

2 (49m 41s):
Besides on your own URL, don't do things that you don't want to do. I don't know how many girls have seen that. Got pushed into doing anal when they didn't want to. If you don't do it at home, don't do it on camera. Right? I shot one time with this girl that she was drinking vodka at eight o'clock in the morning on our Shane, because it was the only way that she could do it, you know? And then that stuff just messes with your head later on and try every platform. It's we have so much more power. Now when I was working for companies, you had no say over anything.

2 (50m 21s):
I mean, I was, I think one of the lucky ones, because I could have a no list and say who I didn't want to work with, but a lot of the newer girls coming in, they just put you with whoever and you don't have a say about it. I mean, I didn't want to do ATM. And they tried to force me to do that. And you know, it just, wasn't my thing. They, they give you a toy with no batteries in it. And they're like faking orgasm. I'm like, why would I want to fake an orgasm? Put the fucking batteries in and don't have a real one. What one of you got much better? I mean, and they, and they go, no, you're an actress. Act like, no, go to the store and get me the batteries.

1 (51m 2s):
Give me the Energizer bunny. Dammit.

2 (51m 5s):
Yeah. But that's the kind of thing you have no control over anything. So now, you know, th that's why I basically stopped in 2006. I only shot for myself for my own site. So I could shoot with who I wanted, what I wanted when I wanted, how I wanted, you know, just have control and own everything. So I'm still making money now off of content that I shot in 2006, seven, eight, nine, it's all up on the tubes and you know, everything's making money, whereas everyone else, that's not going to happen. You're you're, you're like a day labor. You just get paid one time for the scene and that's it. You don't see another dime off of it.

2 (51m 46s):
Right? Right. Advice own as much as you can yourself and put it out there on every avenue, multi-purpose everything and try every platform. And some are going to take off in the summer. Not figure it out.

1 (52m 3s):
Makes sense. Well, Vicky, this was delightful. I'd really like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker talk. And I hope we have a chance to do it again really soon. My broker tip today is part, one of how to buy a site. The first question to ask yourself is what kind of site would you like to buy? Would you like a tube site, a campsite, a dating site, a membership site, a social media site or something else. If you want to buy a membership site, what type of site do you want? And what niche? There are literally hundreds of niches and many sub-niches. For instance, let's say you want to buy a gay site under gay there's bears are mature, bareback, Asian, Latino, amateur by black Euro and fetish, along with many fetishes under that classification.

1 (52m 54s):
Plus there's hardcore shocks, porn stars, solo trans twinks, and uniforms straight has even more sub niches. I can't tell you how many people contact me and just say, I want to buy a site or I want to buy a pay site. I need more information than that. How you make this decision should be based on these factors. What interests you, what you enjoy should definitely play a part in what you buy. If you like man, and want to make money on a straight site. That's probably a really bad idea. Same thing. If you're straight and want to buy a gay site. So what you like plays a part, what is your budget? This is something you need to establish at the very beginning.

1 (53m 36s):
Not only do you need to know what it is you're working with, but some classifications of sites are more expensive than others. For instance, if you want a cam site with any traffic or revenue at all, you're going to need a lot of money. In fact, to buy any established site will be somewhat expensive. If you buy a site, that's pretty much just a platform without traffic or sales, you'll need a huge investment to build it up. In that case, it might actually be as good or better just to start your own site. That way you get exactly what it is you're looking for. We'll talk about this subject more next week. And next week we'll be talking to comedian podcast, hostess and performer, Cape Kennedy.

1 (54m 19s):
nd next week we'll be talking to podcast hostess, comedian and adult star Kate Kennedy.

0 (1h 6m 55s):
And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again, like to thank my guest Vicky Vette. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.