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Our industry has done an exemplary job at preventing COVID on set. And we certainly realized the financial and scheduling burden of today. COVID testing. We asked that vaccinated performers continue to test for the time being as we work to evaluate risk with an vaccinated performer pool, while the risk of serious illness decreases substantially after a vaccination, the data regarding the potential for a person to carry and transmit the virus after vaccination is still unclear, passes. Also looking at the threat of newly emerging variants and working to understand actual risk on set.
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Now time for this week center, my guest today on adult site broker talk is Leanne young of house of ardent and the Arden podcast. Leanne, thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk. Hey, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me. It's great to have you now, Leanne is one of the UKs leading advisors on adult entertainment, sex and relationships. She started her mainstream career in 2002 appearing on shows such as the Jeremy Kyle show, the Tricia Goddard show, how to have sex after marriage and several other mainstream productions as a sex and relationships advisor and porn industry expert.
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She's also known for covering events, such as AVN. Ex-business the Prowler awards and other adult events around a variety of lifestyles in the adult industry. Leanne has a caring, positive attitude and a desire to help as many people as possible understand different relationships and life choices. Leanne always maintains the highest level of commitment to her work and to clients. Now, Leanne, at what age did you decide to enter the adult industry and why did you do it? Oh, I think
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It was 1999 and I got into it because I was a single mum of two children. And to be honest with you, my relationships beforehand were, you know, very male dominated and to be honest with the sex, wasn't great. And I suddenly met this great crowd and I got to actually know myself and realized I was pretty good at sex and Barbara enjoyed it. And it, I just got given the opportunity by someone to, I got introduced to the state and his paperwork could buy off to somebody. And I managed to write off to an agent before I knew it. I was on a porn set and I think the main reason was being, I was a single parent of two children living in a counselor state.
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I wanted a better life for me and my children. And I didn't have the ability to go to work nine to five, five days a week. And I wanted to do a job that I could fully enjoy and having sex with very high up on my life.
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Yeah. I've always enjoyed it.
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You tell me somebody who hasn't
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There are a few out there strangely enough, but there's all kinds in this world isn't there. So who was your first agent? How did you meet them and were they what you expected?
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My first agent was JFT modals, which was managed by Jason Maskell and juice. Yeah. Lovely. Jason is fantastic. And you've got three that's 20 years ago and I remember writing off and he was like rag me and he was great. And the week later, I'm up on the train going up to Wellingarden city to meet him. Now, I don't know what I imagined, but I imagined like an agent probably being suited and booted and having these massive offices, you know, what you see on the movies? You know, the, you know, the fairy world and it was really different because he was just totally different to what I expect, but it wasn't creepy.
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You know, many people assume that you're kind of poured into the porn industry. They come and kick that gear from your house or something. And what is true. That's what people think. And he was actually a real gentlemen, absolute gentlemen. And I stayed at hides the night before he did a it on with me or anything that people would imagine. And he made sure that I knew exactly what I was doing, what was involved, that everything was above board. And to be honest, viewed probably one of the best managers I've ever, ever met.
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Now. Now tell me some good memories about the business, some crazy memories and some bad memories.
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Okay. So the great memories, I mean, my first ever shoot via Jason actually was for private and I kind of never, ever performed in my life. You know, I was a little bit nervous, but I was made to feel so much comfortable and it was in this big mansion house and there was, there was, it was just so comfortable and being naive enough. I didn't know what half the moves were. So it was really, really hubris because, you know, they're telling me to do stuff and I have to stop the camera go. What is it? What's that mean? What does this mean? And it was, it's a different language in the poor world. Yeah. And that's what was really good and other great parts where, you know, I got chosen as the only other European to represent the whole of Europe in Hollywood.
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It drew Barrymore's old house actually for an event called sex of either 2000. It's now available in Playboy. And, you know, I got picked out of the whole porn industry around the world. I was labeled the punk queen of England. And I came second because come on, you're American, you know, British can't come first. I mean, you guys and the television, we're not late to be the winners on television and American production. Hollywood was fantastic to me. The Americans really were amazing. And I suppose the bad parts of the industry, you know, in every industry does have a negative part. Sure. You know, there was some people that kind of, you know, in your personal life would approach you and do things to you that weren't appropriate.
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And so I think I can't really have a bad memory of, you know, of actually doing a shoot apart from it in the UK. On a few times, you are sent to, to do a shoot and you are under the impression, it's just a straight boy, go shoot. And you get there. And they say, nobody's anal. And you're like, well, I don't do anal. And they say, well, if you don't do it, you're going to have to pay for the production cost because it means that we've, we're out of pocket. So, you know, so I, that, that's a very big negative side to her. And, you know, I don't, like I said, I don't think I have any bad memories of actually before. I think, I think the bad memories come from people trying to take advantage of me being a performer.
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Yeah. What about, what about some crazy memories?
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Oh my gosh. You know what I mean? I don't even know whether they were legal, go for it. Well, okay. So for instance, I'm at the AVN in Las Vegas and it's like, you know, it goes over a few days and I used, I had, I, you know, I'm in Las Vegas. I wanted to get a little bit drunk. Right. So I went to the Playboy party and this nightclub. Yeah, well, I'd got a little bit drunk and I was a little bit wild. Don't get me wrong. I was even introduced to Larry Flint is a naughtiest go everywhere over the UK. So I'm in this nightclub and chatting to these strangers from Florida and big party around champagne's flowing.
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But my feet were hurting from side of my autograph every day. And you know, I kind of needed to take my shoes off in a nightclub. So, so the banks who came over to me and he said, look matter, you can take anything else, but your shoes, health and safety went away. I know. So he comes back about 20 minutes later when I'm still trying to buy a whole group. And I'm absolutely kitty naked, everything apart from my high heel shoes. Perfect.
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I saw it. I could, I could see where this was going, by the way,
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That's like crazy. I was, and he had to put me over his shoulder and I'm completely naked with just high heels on and never biked it. Like, don't forget her clothes. She, then I just get excited. And you know, you can't even go show your nipples in Las Vegas and I'm stood outside this club with somebody covering my nipples. Well, I quickly try and get dressed. So I did have fun. I had to do amazing fun and like doing the sex of over 2000, you know, that's, that's an adult version of big brother and that was not because halfway through to production, you know, somebody break the rules. So the shoot got put on hold and we act to make a team arrangement that, you know, yes, we're for this, the rest of filming, even though it had been their contract with breech, not by myself.
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Yeah. Well, one of the contestants Schachter director shack, the director of camera to try and win the show.
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Sure. You said shag, you said shag. They thought, I thought you, I thought you, I thought you said shot. I, I, I should've, I should've, I should've, I should've realized you come from this same country as Austin Powers. And I got to listen for that language. So go ahead,
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Lady decided to have the shag with the director. And of course this one, I liked vape. This went live over the internet because there were cameras everywhere, the big blubber. And so it was actually illegal. So the shoot got shut down and she got evicted or a husband started protesting on top of the house. And then we went on ABC, you know, and I was introduced as Lennox Lewis at the porn world, you know, and it just went back. We were filming day and night blind man's buff. Oh my God. You know, I can't think of other names that the games, but we were constantly shagging and I could not wait for the week to be over.
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Cause I swear my love, I think I've done about 30 different scenes in a week. So yeah, we had, you know, we just had crazy times, is it? So, I mean, I've been to the Playboy mansion. I've traveled all over the world, India adult industry, and I've got to admit, I don't have any regrets about my career. Good luck.
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So of all those experiences, what was the most exciting you? Oh
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God, I've done so many shoots. I tell you what it was the most exciting actually. And the most memorable really? Because I don't know if you know the male performer Mark Davis. No of yes. Yeah. It was absolute legend. Well, we were about to do the first Everett first internet live streaming and it was for cousin Stevie and Seymour, but, and there was, there was me, her short average, Mark Davis, Bridget Kirkoff, and a few others. So, you know, it's the first one ever going out live streaming.
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So we're on the set and I'm like, you're really eager. British girl, you know, Jeff I'm Tiki. I needed the guys to make me have an orgasm before actually working. Otherwise I probably would have gone crazy. So I'm doing this first of a shoe and to where, you know, if you haven't worked with Seymour and cousin, Stevie, they are the most beautiful people that were producers and directors. And so I'm swapping partners as you do. And then I'm going up and down on Mark Davis. Right? So imagine a scene, you know, people are in pairs, I'm on Mark and I'm, fusting like anything like Concord.
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Right? Anyway, I misplaced myself when I came down the next, yeah. The next thing we hear was pop. I like broken Mark Davis is cock the King of the industry And became quite a sensation.
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Oh my God.
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So many I can think of, you know, from signing divorce regarding Vegas to a couple of phase and people a day to park here with the world's finest adults does too. Oh, just to everything, you know, it, it, there's so many fun memories, but they've
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Yeah. Feel free. Feel free to share them. We got lots of time. What else, what else, what else stands out?
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What else stands out? Okay. So I've done my first ever anal scene broadcast for a mainstream channel filming a whole documentary on me didn't even mean to do it. You know, it was just, it just happened. Right. And of course they put that out on television mainstream. Yeah. To 8 billion viewers in the UK. So that, that kind of, you know, I kind of notice still that I've been on the Jerry Springer show because I've done porn.
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I got my sight to him on British television that went down exceptionally well, of course be in the how wonderfully open we are not in the UK. Yes. Oh. And I've been to Cannes film festival. I've interviewed on the red carpet can for the adult channel, I've stayed at the most phenomenal hotels around the world and shot different scenes. And I was just very lucky that I got taken to the us and they were absolutely wonderful to me. Cause I know that not everybody can manage the, the American industry. I did. I kind of call the English industry a very cottage like industry because it's quite, and you kind of know everybody and you're just, you're doing things with the same people over and over.
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And you've got to remember when I was in the industry. It's when DVDs were still going out, the internet internet was still in his infamousy. So I was having sex with the same people time and time again. So go into America was massive.
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How did you manage to get there and are the rumors true about America being much harder than the UK?
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I was at a camp film Fest for when I met an agent called Mark Spiegler. And instead of later today I got on really well with Mark and he's like, you need to come to America. And I said, okay, I'm up for it. I went back to the UK and I said to my British agent, and it wasn't Jason at the time, it was enough for agents. And I said, I want to go to the U S nurse said, yeah, we can send you over there. And I said, well, I'm actually go with Mark Fiedler, which did didn't go down too well with my, I can imagine, Oh, well the fact of me with the Russian mafia. So yeah. So you can imagine it was a little bit of a crazy time for me. And then yeah.
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So I emailed Mark some pictures and I got over to the us and my first ever shot was with ed powers and on his radio show. And he's got a winner. So remarkably easy. And then to be honest with you, do you think the U S was harder? No, I think it was way more professional. Yeah. And I think some people would find that harder where as I kind of find it easier, I don't think the guys are any bigger. I don't think the works any harder. In fact, you were in a studio with full on direction and there were boundaries and I really, I don't think it was bigger.
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I don't think it was hard to us. In fact, I barely worked in the UK industry again after that, because I liked the way the Americans work. I worked five days a week. I made sure that I had two days off a week. I kind of found the shoots shorter and I don't think they were far more glamorous. You know, you've got hair and makeup. You've got catering on set. Nobody was drinking or taking drugs. That was fully forbidded on set. And no, I, I was, could be longer. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, I remember being on a short Sean Michael shoot one time and I was there for 18 hours.
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I'd buy nine of them with waiting around. So God knows why I was caught so early. And then it was stop, start change had to change lighting or 18 hours later, I got off, but it wasn't safe. And I think people don't understand it. They get these 20 minute segments, some they're DVD or TV or whatever. And normally within that 20 minutes, you've got five different positions, but to make that can take us all day, but people kind of, you seem to think it's an easy job for good money. And they don't actually understand the preparation that goes into it.
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The hard work that goes into it and the self investment, because you've got to be in good shape, you've got to be healthy because there's, there's one thing that doesn't work is if you are into drugs and drink, especially in my day, if you turn up to set with a hangover, they're not interested if you turn up on set and you're not with it, and you're not a hundred percent on full that you won't get used again, your reputation is everything. And I think people just have this whole belief about the industry being full of drugs and drink and offset. Maybe I don't know what the other adults does done in their private lives. But for me, I was very, very into my work and about looking after myself.
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Yeah. And I think that, well, first of all, when it comes to thinking a 20 minute scene takes 20 minutes, it's like a feature film, you know, and it's, it's an hour and a half or two hours that takes more months.
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I know people don't get that mean. We'd go wait for five days to film some scenes. People might only sleep for 15 minutes and yeah. And people don't understand that. I don't know if it so much like that today. Not many big feature films are done these days, but in my day it was hard work.
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Sure. Sure. Now, what is your, how do you feel about the public having that image of, of adult actors being druggies, alcoholics and all of the above?
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Well, it's very naive and I think that what's happened is governments and media is censored them to reality. And people need to realize that they need to realize that they're watching the news or read the newspapers. They're reading other people's thoughts on it and taking it as fact when in fact it's not fact. Yeah. That's that's yes. What sense of ship is about censorship is about control and people getting them to believe that something's good or bad. I mean, there's never an in-between the government and the government and the media is either good or bad. And you know, people live, people have kind of been brainwashed with the fact that, you know, and I'm going to touch this subject ever since the word came back, child pornography, it's kind of, everybody says the word pornography.
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Right. So they think that the porn industry is related to child pornography when it actually couldn't be further from the truth. Yeah. Now I w I worked beside them at places and I breached her. I'm a CA I'm a counselor for the industry. And we, I, I say to them, I don't like it being called child pornography and nor do they, they call it child sex images or child abuse, sexual abuse, you know, because they don't want the lines to be crossed. However, the media aren't going to the industry, they just don't. So,
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Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, look at, look at that article that Christophe did in the New York times in December, the one on porn, the one, the children of porn hub, he actually did too.
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Yeah. I mean, I do understand that PornHub on age verification, every production, okay. That belief in the people that actually upload the content or studios. Right. So they kind of needed some colors, you know, maybe, but, but in England it's been no different for the whole, for the whole decade. And I'll tell you why, because in England we have the BBFC okay. They kind of the ones that had to monitor every fitness when I on our 18 or 18 and they make the decisions. Now, if they want, for somebody who is under age, they were able to ask for the paperwork.
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They've never once. Yeah. But they've never once done it ever. And they, and
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That means the industry self-policing, which is good, which, which is what, which is what happens in the U S too.
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Yeah. So that's exactly what's happened. But with PornHub, I just think that, you know, people thrive on negative news and I asked her to, and I've written for several newspapers and I, and I asked a major journalist once I said, so why can't you just write something good about the industry? And that goes, good news. Doesn't sell. If, if, if Joe blogs wakes up and read something about their neighbor doing a good deed, they're like, so what if you tell them that Nate was a murderer, then they'd go and talk about it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Sensationalism has always sold. And that's as, that's a lot older than we are the unfortunate part of this whole PornHub thing is it reflects on the entire industry. It makes, it makes everybody say, well, porn is bad. You know,
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Cohen's been bad in the public view for decades, for centuries. You know, England has one of the strictest rules on pornography. You know, we can't do any face, sit in, we can't do any fish. Then we can't do this. You know, all about chip. It does. Yeah. It drives me. Absolutely potty. I've sensitive is over here. It's never had a positive view is it's really hard because England,
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It could be worse. You could be Japan.
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Oh yeah. Do you know what? Do you know what? I must be doing a person in history. There's printed, Japan's red light district. And I find it rather, boy. Yeah. I find it really.
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It didn't do anything for me there actually the Ginza. Yeah. It didn't do anything for me either.
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Yeah. I mean, I love going to Bangkok. I go to a place called Nana Plaza and I'd go to a bar. I go to a bar called Spanky's
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One of my favorite places in the world. And I go there, I can go on my own. I'll have a few drinks. I'll tip of a pay for guys to have lap dances. And they're like, what's going on? But it's only like two Pang 50 year ago. And then I get a little bit drunk and then I say, can I get off stage now? Love Spanky's. But anyway, going back to like, you know, the industry of beer itself regulated it is, but there's always going to be a bad Apple and there's always going to be, and that's partly why I do cancel them because you know, lots of people hide beyond the industry.
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And then the industry gets blamed. Yep, indeed. And I say 95% of the industry is absolutely very professional and people could learn from it.
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Yeah. So now how, tell me the whole story. You mentioned, you were known as the porn queen of the UK in the year 2000. Tell me the whole story on that.
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Okay. Well, I got selected to represent England over in the U S in this lab in, you know, like the big glove right. Over it version. But before it got into adult, or we used to work in the probation industry, so obviously I had a bit of a name, I'd go, all the newspapers used to write about me and they find out what I was doing. And they were like, Oh my God. And then it got sent centralized. This got put all over the media, that I was a pawn queen of England now working for Playboy over in the U S so it was really massive, but I think what it was, I was so professional. I literally overnight became a sensation because the papers had written, I was an excavation officer and then documentaries will get a made on me.
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I was invited onto every chat show. And I think what it was is I handled myself exceptionally well in the media so that when I was getting interviewed or was getting questioned, who I was appearing in public, I wasn't, well, I wasn't on drugs. And I was a sensible mother. Who'd had a previous job, which was a very strong position. So I think what happened is immediate don't mind hoping somebody's that stable. Yeah. And I think I came across very steep when the media took me on as a porn queen of England.
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I love it. I love it. Good thing. They weren't at that Playboy party in Vegas. Now, what was a video that wouldn't have gone over well? So what was, what exactly was sex survivor 2000. And why was that your last act in the U S
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It was the big brother, you know, like doing 30 scenes in a week was a little bit much, and also happened to deal with all the crap of somebody breaking the rules, a disrespect. And then I had to go to Vegas straight after and sign my autograph. I was just exhausted. I was exhausted. And also, you know, something happened to me in the industry that I can't actually talk about it at the moment. Cause I'm it's is invoked a court case, but it was, I just realize it, no matter how big you get and how hard you work, there's somebody ready to take advantage of you and I never, and I think, and I think in the industry that a lot got swept under the carpet, if I'm quite honest with you, whereas ever something that happened to me that happened to others as well, because this person with a big name.
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Oh, that guy. Okay. I think, I think, I think I figured it out. He's he's in our new section a lot. Oh God really? Oh my God.
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Of the other European person in volts, you know?
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Oh my, I was, so I was wondering what could be going on since, since 2000, but you've told being, so anyway, go ahead.
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Yeah. You know, I'm not, I like to wait, probably discuss it or no, obviously at the moment. And you know, when I went to approach somebody about all that and people witnessed it, they're like, Oh, that's just how he is. And I'm like, hold on a second. This is just fucking half my mate language. This is just fucking happened to me.
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This is an adult show. You can say, fuck, you can say, you can say, you can say all the words that church Carlin said, you can't say on TV here.
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No, that's fucking fantastic.
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Fucking fantastic. And so I think what happened is, you know, that happened to me, nobody listened. I went to Vegas and like I said, the work of an adult star, you know, on that level, it's huge. The pressure is huge. And then people starting to forget that, you know, they bowled your whole private life into your work life. And then you just become this, this poor actress, you know, you don't, people don't respect you or understand that you actually a mom or anything like that. And it just, I think after that happened is like political brief face. When he'd done the survivor show went down to Las Vegas. Under my interview, came back, absolutely just wiped out.
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And all I wanted was my kids and a family life. I just needed to. I mean, the only hug, you know, it wasn't dating. I was one that didn't date when I was in, I don't actually, I didn't think it was morally. Right. And yeah, I needed, I needed time out. I needed time out after that. And plus he, internet was coming in and I, and I wasn't one to do webcamming. I believed that I had two children. I knew they were going to come of age where the internet would be a major part of their life. And I wanted to retire before they even had an engine of that happening so that, you know, not, not so I could avoid the situation, but mainly more so that I could control the situation.
3 (33m 32s):
Yeah. That's smart. That's smart. So you got out of the industry and after you're retired, how did you feel and what did you do
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Last driver? Tired? I realized no, there was no female agents in the world. So I, I started managing British stars and sending them over to the U S and making sure that they were professionally looked after that the other combination they had drivers and somebody started representing the top English female performance from the year 2002 till like 2004. And then there was, then there was an HIV outbreak in 2004 in the American industry. I pulled all the models out and that's when I just said, do you know what? I'm not doing this anymore?
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And I need a different life. And yeah. So know
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You didn't want to, you felt like you were putting him in danger and you didn't want to do that.
2 (34m 30s):
Absolutely. And if there, if there is one thing that doesn't happen and the professionalism and started sliding because the internet we will see was taking over. So budgets were getting lowered, stuff like that. And that what people don't understand is there was no health and safety and, you know, unless models get self-insured, they have an accident on set or injured. That is, they were in cost. And I wasn't willing to take the risk of having a, my conscience, any female, even if it would have been their own fault, captain HIV. And I just couldn't, I have had to sleep at night.
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Sure, sure understand. So when did you become a counselor for models worldwide in the adult, in the adult industry?
2 (35m 17s):
That was only fairly recently actually. I mean, I lived in Austin, you know, what I done after the time after retiring from managing models is I got trained by the family planning association, which used to be our sex education board. And they were really happy that I'd approached them. We kind of learned from one another and the next thing I want every channel being a sex experts on relationships shows. It's great. So I got, I got quantified in, you know, online infidelity sex education, you know, for boys and girls separately, teenage pregnancies. And I worked on TV for a long time.
2 (35m 57s):
However, in the background, I was also getting qualified in fitness and managing a couple of gyms because I do, you know, I want it, I did it. I want a fake fame, hungry star. Sure. I didn't mind talking to my knowledge, but I did. I didn't need to be a major celebrity that, you know, I just couldn't be bothered to be quite honest with you. And then I moved to Australia in two phase and alert 11 to have a break from anybody knowing me. And it was so refreshing because everybody had known me for a decade. And I didn't even kind of know my own density for while because you're, you're this person that everybody has an opinion on and a view and a judgment.
2 (36m 41s):
So I went to Australia when nobody had thought of me. And for eight years I stayed in Australia managed companies. And when I was there, I, you know, the radio station started realizing my past and I went on a few shows and I said, what, you know, I'm qualifying to be a counselor and the seed got planted there. So I started studying and then I moved back to UK and yeah, I got asked if I would counsel the industry. So that was in England first board. And I felt like there were the fake HIV certificate being allowed to float around in the UK industry.
2 (37m 21s):
And I'm not going to lie that as you can imagine. So I teamed up with a PAC union in the U S with a lot of Evans and I've been a counselor for them ever since. So for like four years. So I actually, I'm going to be part of the union on the American board as well. So, you know, I look after, yeah. So looking after the American and the English industry, you can imagine, you know, it's hard, but if I'm the only person who is qualified and have the experience of entering being in the industry and intern and transitioning out, that's what models need. They don't need to being canceled by somebody who still work support industry that defeats the object.
2 (38m 4s):
And with the English industry, they actually blocked me and my fellow counselor coworker is also a former actress. He retired, you know, about 15 years ago, Kelly Stafford. And she got qualified as a counselor as well. But because we, we caught them out that there were the fake HIV's got going around and the girl had been attacked in a hotel room and nothing, nothing was done about it. And I just said, that's not good enough. And so I was getting really frustrated in the UK that they were blocking just because they had an issue with me and this other counselor, they blocked us services from the industry.
2 (38m 47s):
And so we look after our own models now, to me, that's not good enough. So I actually approached the met police, sexual violence unit. And I explained the situation. I said, look, I'm concerned that they don't have an Avenue to report any instance. The industry is very close and he tried to keep it. In-house when I read stuff going on, I need to open a pathway and be an outreach so that they can speak. If they don't want to go, let's be honest with you. I'd experienced 20 years ago that I couldn't go to a coffee shop after I was attacked. So it's no different in the UK. Now, you know, of girls who were abused or taken advantage of onset, they, they, they don't want to walk into a police station say, Hey, I'm a porn star.
2 (39m 30s):
I was just on set. And they don't think I never gave him permission to, that's fine. I've got to look at them and go that really know what that goes under. So what I done is I, I I'm teamed up as an outreach for the metropolitan police in the UK. And now it says any incidences with any other industry, they can come to me and I liaise and we meet out of uniform and I get them to chat to the ma to the head of the sexual violence unit. That's awesome. And it's taken, thank you. And it's taken real seriously. And I work with a lot of other charities like open doors and they look up street sex workers, which has written dramatically during COVID because obviously people, people come, people are net visitors in their house.
2 (40m 20s):
So they've gone to street prostitution. I worked with outreach as you know, just, you know, help them with advice and stuff. And then, and then there's other projects like survivors UK is by male sexual abuse. And I, I kind of work with whichever charities can gain from my knowledge and performance can get access to help, help for facilities.
3 (40m 44s):
Hmm. That's wonderful. So, yeah, I bet you do. I like what you're doing. So, so how did you manage to skip over from porn to the mainstream media?
2 (40m 59s):
I think my way was, was owning my past. Not letting anybody dictate to me about what I should or should not done. I made it perfectly clear unless they were paying my rent nature, keep their mouth shut. You know, they haven't walked a mile in my shoes, let alone an inch actually. And I owned it and I laughed at myself and I said, do you know what? Yeah. Some people must've thought I was a right Slack or a slut or yes, there was things I would do differently, but I've always maintained. I have absolutely no regrets about my path. You know, now I've got more wisdom. I probably would've done a few things a little bit differently, but I owned it.
2 (41m 41s):
Never deny it. I mean, what you were in mainstream television, even being on one show, the media, know your past and what you've got to learn, is it any publicity is publicity. You've got take away the negative. You've got to stop worrying about what other people and online trolls say about you because they don't contribute anything to my life. Right. So if they're doing a negative, competent comment, then they're investing in my life. So it kind of says a lot about them, not me. Yes. At least the stuff that I done I own.
2 (42m 22s):
And I take responsibility. And even if the press say former porn queen of England, which they still do 20 years later, I just, I laugh and I actually ring them up. Gum really still got like that one. They're like, well, it sells. And I'm like, okay. So I've got this really, really friendly kind of a pool with the newspapers and journalists because I own, I pass and I have a laugh and they've got nothing on the tablet. Absolutely
6 (42m 54s):
Got nothing on me. I said, they
2 (42m 56s):
Made you. In fact, my public, my, my, my publicist. He actually worked at the sun as a major journalist for 20 odd years. My other friend used to run the sun for 25 years. I'm really good friends with the media. And the simple fact is, is because I laugh at myself and I already know that one day newspaper is tomorrow's day chip paper. So it's about not holding onto it, but I'm able to laugh at myself. And when I'm on TV, people realize that I've really educated. And I think it shocks them. I think what it is, people have this impression of an adult star.
2 (43m 39s):
So when they've got an adult star on their show, they are looking in inside yourself in their mind, in their programmed censored mind that I'm going to turn up with big fake tits, long blonde hair, extensions and stripper shoes. When in fact I'm five foot free, used to be for free. It must be getting old. And I normally wear tie-dye hairs and I've got shoulder length, dark hair, and I wear a minimum makeup. So I'm the complete opposite to what they imagined. And I think that is what interests people. And they're like, Oh my God, you, you proved me. You prove to us it actually, our image of an adult story is completely not right.
2 (44m 22s):
Exactly. Exactly. And I think, yeah, I mean, you know, the figures as well is like I retired from porn 20 years ago. And so they can't let, is, most media will like to chat to adult stars that are still in the industry to, but with me, I'm like, yeah, you can grab one of my old pictures if you want, as long as I know which one it is, I don't mind. You know? And when I say, you know, 90% of my mainstream career has been absolutely wonderful. I had to Sue a newspaper some years ago because they actually got a picture of me and put it against a fake story. Say I had an ASCO antisocial behavior against it's called an ask boat.
2 (45m 8s):
And they said that I'd been caught having like sex. And I had to criminal conviction. However, what made me so annoyed when I wouldn't give a shit about the lions balance, your new, or is, you know, defer the truth. However, I was under contract to an, to a TV channel ITV, which one of our major channels. And they were back to drop me from two shows and I had to say to them, no, look it is crap. And I very fortunate. My life's been very fortunate was actually kind of having a relationship with somebody that owned most of the local regional papers.
2 (45m 51s):
And he took me to the Queen's lawyer
4 (45m 54s):
To the Creek,
2 (45m 57s):
Had a very interesting life. So I went to the Queens lawyers and I said, it's it's defamation and slander. It's not true. And they haven't even used my correct name. And they said, okay, well, you need to, we're probably the wrong lawyers, but we're going to put you in touch with a top entertainment lawyer who will do it on. I think it's like, I think it's called pro bono. Yeah. Contingency. So they put me in touch with the main lawyer that looks after all the mainstream performers, actresses and stuff like that. And he just basically rang up the newspaper and said, I'm on 800 pounds an hour. Is your cost not her. This is defamation.
2 (46m 39s):
Yeah. And the paper tried to say that I had a bad reputation because I'd done porn anyway. And I said, I don't give a shit what reputation I got you liked? And you've put my picture right. There speaks more volume than words because image imagery does. Yes. And, and they tried to get out of it, but it was 800 pounds an hour. So we arranged a high court date in the high court with London and I was willing to take over it away. I don't mind, you know, I, I'm not, I'm not at fault. And being an excavation officer, you can only imagine the willpower. So they settled an hour from the hearing and the high court of London settled out of cool.
2 (47m 22s):
Nice. And I have never Gretz about it. And I S everybody said, if you Sue a newspaper or, you know, come back to haunt you. No, it doesn't. Do you know what all it does is let you know, never to be made a fall off.
3 (47m 36s):
Exactly. And you won't, you won't, you won't hear and you won't hear from them again. So there you go.
2 (47m 41s):
Never again. And the best thing is it's like, you know, just because you're a porn actress or actor or any kind of sex worker, it should not take away. The fact that what somebody does to you is legal. You are still under the same law. We are still under the same protection act as anybody that may be a police officer, or where can a bank, your career should definitely not have any influence on how you are treated.
3 (48m 13s):
Exactly. Just, just like that guy's name we can't talk about in the States.
2 (48m 19s):
Fuck you enough. I'll give you another interview when all that's filled up. So yeah.
3 (48m 23s):
Yeah. Oh, definitely. I want to hear that for sure. I want the exclusive on that. So, so what advice would you give to others in the end?
2 (48m 34s):
Okay. Right. Kind of got different advice for people going in in it and wanting to get out. If you're going to go into industry, just be prepared that once you have the sex industry, it never goes away. Now, I don't mean that by saying people won't forget, you dumped porn, you yourself went forget you've been a sex worker. And once you're able to turn your emotions on and off, which every sex worker has to do, it's very hard to undo that skill. Yeah. And it can affect every ongoing relationship, even if it's with your parents, your children or partner, because you're able to put your emotions aside.
2 (49m 17s):
So you do have to be aware that when you go into the industry, you know, you're going to learn a new set of skills. And, you know, they may not all be positive for people in the industry. What you have to remember is, you know, you know, you're either got a short shelf life or you, or you do it for good. This is a career because it is a career, right. It can be however, learn about marketing because you're up against millions of other people. And if you don't have a business sense, you can't run a business. And if you're an adult star, you're an enterprise, you're a business. Yes.
2 (49m 57s):
So it's about building yourself as a business, right? And you can't run a company. If you cut corners, you can't cut a company. If you're going to act illegal, you can't run a company. If you don't have duty of care, health and safety insurance and stuff like that. So my bias is don't consider, don't even worry about what career you're doing. You know, w you know, to you, you are self-employed yes. And therefore you should get yourself covered for every instance. And if you're in the industry and you're looking to get out, you have to understand that the transition period, you can't just hop from one industry.
2 (50m 39s):
There is very emotionally challenging, and then go back into society because it can destroy you. There's a lot trawlers or nine that will come for you and attack you. Now, Jess, like it's school is a young age. I think emotions should be educated to youngsters, that we have different emotions and we have different reactions and that we're responsible for our actions and reactions. And not that. And I think with the industry, that should be them reeducate. And if they haven't learnt it already, I think what we do in APAC union is we have different seminars online. And we want to make sure that they know new skills, marketing, understand, not everybody is going to like you.
2 (51m 27s):
And that's absolutely fine because it would be boring if everybody did true. And I 20 understand and imagine they are behind a keyboard. You're not responsible for their actions. No matter what your actions yourself has been there, all they do is react to your action, but their action is putting you down. Does that make sense? Yeah. They're just behind the keyboard with shit all out to do. So what they do is decide that their life isn't that worthy and they want to invest best time in someone else. Sure. It's like having free rent in somebody else's mind. Don't take it seriously because what somebody likes or what somebody speaks is how that person is inside.
2 (52m 12s):
And if they're not a nice person, they're not a nice person. What we have to do is have like a barrier up around not barrier. That's probably the wrong word. I have a mirror pretend you've got a mirror in front of you and bunks that reflection back on to them. And then you'll know what type of person they are. You got learned. Not don't take things personally. Yeah. What do not overwork? Because people seem to think, you know, when you're in the industry, yeah. You just want more work, more, work, more work. I want to do this. I want to do that. Well. Or you're in a position of turning your emotions on and off, you kind of put your mental health to the background. Sure. However, our own bodies do suffer some form of post a tumor later.
2 (52m 60s):
And that, that doesn't mean that's from the industry in the job you done that could be reflected on you being able to turn your emotions on and off. And that can come back to the trauma later in life. And if they are looking to get at the industry, chat to somebody who has successfully moved on from the industry will know how you're feeling. That's a good idea.
3 (53m 26s):
That's a real good idea. So I hear you're writing a book as you certainly should. When is it coming out?
2 (53m 38s):
I, Oh my God. Look, dang. I've got a little bit lazy. The first one that will be coming out is an advice book. So, you know, there is a bunch I haven't covered from sugar daddies to porn stance to bins, single mother to having disaster state. So my first book actually is going to be an advice book and I just share a bit of my life story and never not much, but my autobiography will be coming out later because it'll probably coincide with the court case over in the U S
3 (54m 9s):
Ooh. Yeah. You got to wait for that to resolve first.
2 (54m 13s):
I've got to wait for that to resolve first and
3 (54m 16s):
Guarantee guaranteed bestseller,
2 (54m 19s):
Guaranteed bestseller. I know, right. It's like, so I'm actually kind of quite enjoying a little bit of a, to life, get a decorate and done and doing kind of little mundane things at the moment, but I've got my own TV show starting in April in relationship show. So I'm really happy with that. And then my vice book, I want to get written. What do you know what it was meant to get written by March the 30th of however, being the work in the industry? I do. I'm very well connected. And as you know, I normally cover AVN and ex beers and a Prairie Lou awards. And I also interview at pleasure product events, you know, and they're massive, you know, it's one of the biggest industries and work well, I'm, I'm one of the fortunate ones in the world, especially from England, who's traveling to Mexico in a week's time.
2 (55m 15s):
So I'll go now for one day's work, but extending it for 10 days. I need some sunshine. I've been in England winter, and I'm cold and I need a holiday. And so this might refer to you probably isn't going to happen when I finished by advice, but the new tax year starts in April. Right. So yeah, my book will get done by the end of April.
3 (55m 39s):
Okay. We're going to hold. We're going to hold you to that.
2 (55m 43s):
Yeah. And then we can have a little chat by that. Cause there's like 20 different chapters of all different things.
3 (55m 47s):
Oh, I tell ya. Absolutely.
2 (55m 51s):
I've got, I reveal ODI, slight bits about myself in the book, but it would also Brit across my personality, but it does give the good and bad of different sex and relationship situations because like, you know, not everything can be good. Not everything can be bad need to have that balance.
3 (56m 10s):
Absolutely. Balance balance is always number one. Well, Leanne, I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker tuck. And I hope we'll get a chance to do this. One of the book comes
1 (56m 24s):
Out. Absolutely. I'd love to. It's been fantastic. Thank you. My broker tip today is part three of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, find new ways to monetize your website, such as sell advertising. If you've got a free site, like a tube, that's the best way to monetize your site. If you have a tube, another way to make more money is to sell premium memberships, offer free users, one level of content. And for premium users, you can do things like give them higher quality or longer videos or both. You can also make the site ad free for premium members. Start an affiliate program.
1 (57m 5s):
If you have a pay site, especially this is a great way to increase your quality traffic and get more joins with all sites, you can figure out other upgrades and products you can sell to your users. Pay sites can also sell, pay per view, where people have the option of paying by the scene for content that can't get on the site. This is also another way to charge users as opposed to a monthly fee, sell them other products like toys and novelties market, your business, do things to improve your search engine results like SEO. There are some great SEO consultants out there who can help you get higher search rankings in Google. If you want some recommendations, contact us on our website list all of the benefits of your site in your marketing and how they affect the user.
1 (57m 54s):
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1 (58m 37s):
That's kind of a di guess, but increasing sales and reducing expenses obviously does that, but make sure your P and L statement accurately reflects your company's actual costs. Not a bunch of personal expenses you've put in. This will cost you money when you sell it may help you with the tax man to put that stuff on your tax return, but it hurts you. If you show that stuff on your profit and loss statement, remember every dollar in profit increases the value of your website as much as three or four times. This is why you need a good experience broker to help lead you through the process. We've gotten people thousands of dollars, more on their sale just by adjusting the P and L statement to more accurately
3 (59m 22s):
Reflect actual business expenses, as opposed to a bunch of BS. We'll talk about the subject more next week and next week we'll be talking to adult industry writer, Ralph Greco,
0 (59m 37s):
And that's it on this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank our guest Talk to you next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.