Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 32 with Andra Chirnogeanu of Stripchat

Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 32 with Andra Chirnogeanu of Stripchat

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This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker, and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what's going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites. This week, we'll be talking to Andra of Studio20 and the Bucharest Summit.

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1 (1m 16s):
And I quote, being a de platformed can have a serious effect on sex workers, livelihoods, especially with the Corona virus pandemic taking away many of their other sources of promotion writer. Chris mills, Rodrigo pointed out section two 30 is jumped to the forefront of national news. After Senator Mitch McConnell adamantly refused to have a vote on a much needed $2,000 of COVID relief checks for most Americans, unless Congress also repealed the so-called first amendment of the internet, or section two 30 multiple voices with actual inside knowledge of the sex work industry were interviewed by mills Rodrigo, including a sex worker who reported increased surveillance and censorship linked to the campaign to repeal section two 30.

1 (2m 9s):
According to her a direct consequence of this campaign was to further rent Russ invisible in the context of a pandemic when most work is online and we can't even promote our work online. The article cites Kate DIA Damo, a sex worker, rights activist and partner at reference health and justice. To point out that the downfall of back page combined with foster sista, the stabilize, the sex work industry in the short term, and harmed the GRA harmed it gravely in the longterm. Other websites that could have been spaces for sex workers to regroup after Backpage such as Craigslist or tumbler crack down on sex related content.

1 (2m 54s):
In the wake of the law, the Hill article continued the article also correctly that the passage of foster Acessa forced content onto more obscure sites, ultimately making it more difficult to maintain lists of dangerous clients, so-called know, date lists and other norms surrounding interaction. Russian president Vladimir Putin has signed several laws to increase state control over information online, including the one that introduced this crippling fines for failing to remove to what he called ban material. Although sexually explicit content is technically legal in Russia, existing laws, banning the illegal production dissemination and advertisement of porn and ah, and pornographic objects and other laws claiming to protect the health of Russian children are deployed by the state at its own discretion against sites hosting adult content.

1 (3m 55s):
The end of the year, legislative package signed into law by Putin. According to Reuters also grants the Russian government new powers to restrict us social media giants, label individuals, foreign agents, and to crack down on the disclosure of its security, officer's personal data. Putin's government is currently engaged in a campaign to increase Russia's internet sovereignty, which according to observers might result in a closed state monitored internet, similar to what China cheat with its great firewall. Some of the measures signed into law last week, resulted from complaints about supposedly bias and prejudice shown by Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube against Russian media, sadly veteran adult film, director and performer Carter Stevens has passed away in Pennsylvania.

1 (4m 49s):
His son reported via social media. Yeah. Leading industry archivists the realtime report dubs Steven's a porn Renaissance man. And one of the adult film industry's true original. He was noted by contemporaries as much ticketless craftsman who had genuine respect for his performers and for the filmmaking process. He started to make his first feature film before the landmark success of deep throat. The realtor report explained, and he was still in the sex business. 30 years later, his work displayed wit humor and a very 1970 sensibility that merged porn and new wave art punk.

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Some of his early films in the mid seventies include teenage twins, punk rock, and roller babies in the 1970s and eighties. He directed what the realtor report described as a series of increasingly popular and ambitious films, including the lickety split and honeymoon Haven. He made Lupe's directed a series of films for the Avon theater. They continued and fought battles with drugs and charges of obscenity and of hiring an underage actors before re-emerging in the 1990s with a successful fetish newspaper and publishing business. In more recent years, Stevens had worked on director approve DVD transfers of his work.

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For more information, contact Now time for this week's interview. My guest today and adult side broker talk is Aandra from studio 20 and the Bucharest summit a hundred. Thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk.

2 (7m 17s):
Hey Bruce, thank you so much for having me. How are you? How are things

1 (7m 23s):
Good in the hood now? Stuff is it's a tight Thailand. Thailand is wonderful. Eh, we can actually say that with the whole COVID thing. So it's, it's fantastic. And how's everything, everything

2 (7m 35s):
It's a, it's a great is going great. I'm a here in Cyprus. I haven't left the islands since March, since I came back from the European summit, I can complain that I live in a beautiful Island and things are going great. Lucky we are in the online industry and an online business. So we can't complain that much. Can we were the fortunate ones

1 (8m 0s):
We are. We are. We can, we can, we can, we can work wherever we want. It's a wonderful thing. Now, let me give, let me give a little background on you. Aandra you've been in the adult industry for five years representing studio 20, you know, head up the very popular Bucharest summit with studio 20. She handles marketing business development and making sure both the company and the models are well taken care of hell. Let's just say it. She runs the joint. Now during this time she's been featured multiple times as a speaker at adult conferences in both industry magazines, as well as in mainstream ones, such as BBC, vise voyage LA buzz feed and others.

1 (8m 43s):
She also has multiple award nominations and she won marketing executive of the year in 2019 and company rep of the year in 2018. Congratulations.

2 (8m 54s):
Thank you. Thank I did that. Wow,

1 (8m 57s):
You did that. Amazing. Just look up, just look in your head, just look up on your shelf. There. She has a degree in a law. That's something I never knew about you before and as a masters in conflict mediation, which could come in very handy in the adult industry. I'm sure she speaks four languages fluently. Now studio 20 is the biggest live cam studio in the world with 33 studios and counting. They started in Romania and then expanded throughout the last five years to America, Columbia Czech Republic. And they have plans to open more studios in Latin America and Russia. It's a physical studio as opposed to being virtual.

1 (9m 39s):
So the models benefit from 24 seven help and training from the best professionals. Now under everyone has heard of cam studios. Maybe you can talk about the different types of cam studios, both virtual and physical and how they differ.

2 (9m 54s):
No, absolutely. Absolutely. So studio 20 is a physical studio. That means that we provide the training. We provide the equipment we provide, as you said before, the 24 seven, you know, training and taking over the taking care of the models. And let me give you a bit of history on how we started. So it was a long, long, long time ago because Romania is not that the remaining people are not that open to, you know, sex work or cam work in general, the people that wanted to start doing cam work had to go somewhere to do it right, because you can't exactly do it when you're in your dorm or when you're with your parents at home, the risk of them catching you is a bit high.

2 (10m 45s):
So nobody wants that also the internet or the, the equipment that people had or still have, unfortunately is not the best. So that's how, you know, a lot of physical studios are created basically where they're offering the equipment, the training, the possibility if people can meet from, from another place, a physical studio, if you want is imagine like a hotel, the reception is the training area, the training station or where the trainers are. And then you have rooms in which the models are, are staying. And they're broadcasting from there. Every room is equipped with high-tech equipment, cameras, lights, microphones, everything.

2 (11m 31s):
And the model is in touch with the trainer or support throughout her shift. And before and after her shift, usually a model shift was to do 20 years. So eight hours a day, that means eight hours spent online. The difference it's a no, it's not. That's a job. And when models, when people understand that being a cam model is a job, it's not just something that you do for four hours or two hours, or from time to time. That's when they start making money. And this is why a lot of good models and amazing models will always say, the time that you spend on camp is the most important thing.

2 (12m 14s):
And that's how you reach, you know, success. And that's how you reach the money that the, the amount of money that's being discussed all over the place. No, no person, no person in this world has ever gone to, to work two hours a day, you know, from time to time and has been successful. So the moment that you see yourself as, as a company and you see yourself as a successful person, that's when you're gonna start to, to invest what cam studios are. Basically, we offer the tool. We make sure that we're setting you up for success afterwards.

2 (12m 55s):
It's your job to make it, to make it you're your own company. We just provide the establishments in which, you know, you start doing your thing, that's it. So that's a, that's a physical campus studio. Then the virtual one is you're you as a model, you register your account throughout a virtual studio because I don't know you need some training or you need some money. Your account is not working or something like that. Do you want someone to help you? You want to re you want to be referred by a studio or something like that. It's not a physical one. And they take a percentage from your earnings for the service that they provide.

2 (13m 40s):
That's basically how a virtual studio works.

3 (13m 43s):
Okay. Now what, what kind of business relationships can someone have with studio tours?

2 (13m 51s):
Well, a lot, first of all, if you're, you know, a young person living in wherever we have studios, you can become a model. You can be part of, you can be part of the team either. You know, we're always looking for people in our team to join our team, either as trainers, as support as you know, English teachers in the countries that, you know, they're knocking the speaking, whatever it, you know, there's always a possibility to work with studio 2010. There's the franchise. You can own a franchise can become a franchise owner throughout our program.

2 (14m 32s):
So those would be the one or two of the two, the ways that you can work with studio 20. And also if you sell traffic, we're interested in that as well. We are investing a lot of money in our black label right now, stars live for the models to make more money. So we're sending traffic, we're creating banners. We are working with traffic companies so that we're selling, we're sending traffic to our models. So they may, you know, they, they have an increase in sales and conversions and everything. So that's also one, one way to work with us. How many people do you have working there now?

2 (15m 12s):
All together? The, I would say the management department to, you know, not so not, not the performers. Oh, the route 400 5,500, something like that.

3 (15m 27s):
You guys have grown like crazy over the years. It's just amazing. I remember, I remember when you guys were, were fairly new. That's amazing. Now what is the internal struggle? You talked about it a little bit, but what's the full internal structure of a camp stool.

2 (15m 44s):
Okay. So let's, you know, let's start, you're a model. Okay. Bruce, you're a model. You want to be a model as to get 20 years, you know, you want to be okay. So let me guide you through the process. Okay. Let me tell you all of the people that you're gonna meet in, in studio 20. So, you know, it's easier to describe what everybody does. So the first person that a possible model or, or a team member will meet is the HR. So the HR person, the HR manager, he or she is going to explain exactly what happens. They're going to set up interviews just like in any, you know, professional company, but then it, during the interview, you're going to have, if you're not from, you know, an English speaking country, you're going to have an English test English language test, based on that.

2 (16m 38s):
And based on your results, we're going to assess you on the English level. Next time you're gonna go and meet the English teacher. You're going to have free English classes, depending on your, on your level of English. It's either going to be one lesson a week or three lessons a week, two lessons a week, something like that. Then you're going to start working with a dedicated trainer. That dedicated trainer basically is the one that introduces you to all the rules and regulations of studio 20. And the campuses that we work with, he's going to, he or he is going to explain to you how we work, how you can respond, what you should respond, what you attitude should be regarding different aspects when you're camming and so on and so forth.

2 (17m 28s):
Then you have, then after the two weeks of intense, dedicated training, you go and you, you know, you're, you have your training and support team that will make sure that during your shift, you're well taken care of. If you need water, if you need anything, they're going to be there at your service. What if 24 hours a day? Yeah, absolutely. And then you have the, the studio manager, you have the marketing and social media department. They're in charge of either posting on the social media pages of the models and the studio they're taking care of that.

2 (18m 9s):
They're making sure that the photo shoots and the video shoots are amazing. Then you have the photo, the photo and video department, the editing, the, it, it's a, it's a whole lot of strategy behind it. That's what we do. And then you have the supervisors, the supervisors are we're based in Cyprus and they take care of up to three, four studios. Each what they do is they look after what's happening and make sure that their rules are being applied in the studios that they have. And that there's surveillance. Then it's, you know, me, I'm the PR and marketing manager.

2 (18m 52s):
And then it's the accounting department that makes sure that everything is, is fair. And you get your money, then it's the legal one. Then it's the CEO. It's, you know, nobody would expect that a cam studio would have so much, so much, you know, stuff behind it. Yeah.

3 (19m 12s):
I'm sure others don't, I'm sure most others do not.

2 (19m 21s):

3 (19m 23s):
Well you'd hope now all you guys obviously are the largest. Now you run the very successful Bucharest summit. In addition to your day job, it must be very frustrating to see the event get canceled because of the,

2 (19m 38s):
It is. Yeah. If I need to the day job. Yes. That night I improved. I'm going from Bruce Wayne to Batman. I'm running the progressive. No, I'm kidding aside. So we, we bought, we got, because summit last year, the event has been a success for three years before this. And we bought it for the fourth year. We've met a lot of times at conferences. You've seen me talk about it, inviting people, you know, doing, doing what I should do, doing my job when, when March came and you know, the world started slowly, slowly shutting down.

2 (20m 22s):
It was not, it was not fun, obviously. It's, it's

3 (20m 25s):
It wasn't fun for him. It wasn't fun for anybody. I don't think. But especially for someone who has an event coming up,

2 (20m 31s):
Exactly. It was to say that was not fun. It's you know, when an understatement, obviously we're looking to see exactly what's going to happen this year. I, we hope that by April, the latest we're going to have, you know, the vaccine getting, you know, to people and people are taking the vaccine and it's going to be safe for everyone to travel. Again, we can talk about any event. I would say after mid June, we're not making any plans yet. Yes, we are having it in mind. We're keeping it in mind. We still have our sponsors and the people that have been, you know, supporting the show and they've been amazing so far.

2 (21m 15s):
So yes, we have those people that are, are helping us in there supporting us. But for now to talk about having a physical event would be too, too early. Let's wait after April to see if the vaccine is as good. If people are taking it, if we're going to a mad max world what's happening, we never know. So yeah,

3 (21m 40s):
Sure, sure. Now, now many summits have gone virtual. Why hasn't booth

2 (21m 48s):
Honestly, then they have been, they've been doing an amazing job. Why not? Some head of the G the, the web webmaster access, the, the AWS summit they they've been doing and others they've been doing good, good jobs going virtual, but we, we believe, we strongly believe that the, the connection that you make and the, the business that you make, you make it with people. You don't make it with, with bots. You don't, you, there's a different, it's a different connection when you are face-to-face with someone. And when you're through a Skype call or something, so what we wanted to do, and that's why, you know, we, we, we were, we loved the progress summit.

2 (22m 38s):
And the idea of having it so much is that we have this thing that was called the concierge service. So that was basically fixing up people. It was a speed dating of, of business. And that's what we believe in that the business is made. It's, it's easier to make business in person than virtual. Yes, of course, you can make a business virtually. And the shows that have been done virtually have proved that, but we strongly believe that, you know, that's not the case for us. We're not doing that. We are participating at the virtual shows that are done and we're supporting them and, you know, good job guys.

2 (23m 23s):
It's amazing. We're not gonna do that.

3 (23m 26s):
Yeah. It's, it's definitely not the same. There's no two ways about it. Challenge for me is everything's in the middle of my night. So I have to make the decision what's worth what's worth getting up for and what isn't. So it makes it interesting to say the least. So how'd you get started in this crazy here. You

1 (23m 46s):
Have a law degree and, and all that. What, what got you into the adult industry? What's yeah, I should be asking. What's a nice girl, like you doing in a place like this.

2 (23m 60s):
That's what my boss asked me last night when he saw me for the interview. Yeah. Well, funny enough, what I, what I've learned in this industry is that a lot of people have long neck reason. A lot of people are, you know, very, very well read and the, you know, college degrees and so on. And so, so what I'm doing in this industry, I would say that I'm, I didn't just stumble across it. I want, I always wanted to be in the adult industry and in this side, yeah. Not, not on the performance side, because I am so shy.

2 (24m 43s):
I am so side it's, it's insane. We have. So I studied Twinkie. We have an event every year on the fifth of, of September, on the international day of charity, in which everyone from the management team, they, we log in for an hour on a site and we stream so, and the money that we raised, we give it to a charity. So I, I did that for two years in a row this year. I didn't, because I was in the, I was having some medical problems, but that hour I sorta got, I would rather be at any conference in this world, speaking on stage naked, then be online and Nazi who I'm talking to.

2 (25m 27s):
It was, it was so strange for me. It was so strange for me so that I would never do that just because of that is such a permeates it's anxiety. It's it triggers my anxiety. But yeah, so I, I started in this industry five years ago. Like you, like you mentioned, and I've always been interested, interested to see, okay, how do these people market this industry? Because, you know, it's, it's not easy. It's, it's, it's a niche. It's something that people look, you know, they buy the sexy magazines or whatever, and they look at it at them, you know, with the doors closed and everything. So it was so interesting for me to see what the people behind this taboo industry that say what they were up to and what they were thinking.

2 (26m 17s):
And what I found is that they're amazing. And they're, they're geeks, everybody's a geek here. Did you know that pretty much? It's basically, it's a bunch of amazing misfits that fit in, in a, in a wonderful place.

1 (26m 37s):
It's a family. It's, it's really a family. That's what I miss most about the shows is because I miss my family. Absolutely. Absolutely.

2 (26m 45s):
It's as cliche as it sounds, it is a family.

3 (26m 48s):
Now, now, how has working in the adult industry affected your personal life or has it,

2 (26m 54s):
It has a bit in, you know, w w w friends where friends are concerned. I have less people that I call friends and more people that I call, like you said, family. So the people, the problem with working in adult is that not a problem per se, but an issue that arises from time to time is that people that are, you know, they're looking at you and saying, Oh my God, that is so amazing. You're working in adult. That's so fun. But when it comes to something like them, introducing you to their families or whatever they like, Oh, can you not mention what you're doing?

2 (27m 34s):
Because you know, they won't understand. It's not their job to understand anyways, like why, what does your parents, why do your parents care? What I do for a job? And this also has been an issue with my personal relationships as well, men, that the moment that the moment that they hear, Hey, I'm in the, she's in the adult industry. They like to be like, Oh my God, see, this is my girlfriend. Or this is a girl, not my girlfriend. This is the girl that I'm going out with. She's in the adult industry, ask her about porn stars or fetishes or whatever, you know? And I'm like, I'm like a zoo animal. It's horrible. It's horrible.

3 (28m 15s):
Yeah. Forget it. Yeah. Yeah. Treat it, treat it like treated like a profession as opposed to a, a freak show. You're right.

2 (28m 24s):
Exactly. Exactly. And I'm thinking, Oh my God, I'm on the manager side of this. How, how do you know, I already have an immense respect for performers, but how do you guys do it? You know, just to be always, always, you know, looked at as, you know, this freak show or whatever. I mean, I do this, I quilt nobody else is going through this, but you know, they're like, Oh my God, this is ongoing then. Okay. Let's try to take the relationship more serious. And they're like, well, I can't really take your, the relationship serious because you know, you go to shows and I can imagine what you guys do to show I chose.

2 (29m 4s):
And I'm like, we're where did that, man? Where would this be?

3 (29m 9s):
Yeah. I have the same types of co I have the same types of conversations. Oh my God. I'd love to go to those shows.

2 (29m 16s):
No, you won't.

3 (29m 20s):
What are, what are some things you've learned in your time in the industry?

2 (29m 24s):
Well, first of all, I've learned how to hold my liquor.

3 (29m 30s):
Oh, I bet it with your size, with your size. I can only imagine

2 (29m 35s):
I'm kidding. I'm getting it. It's always fun to see the new people as shows that, you know, first day they're like, Oh my gosh, he drinks every right. Let's go, let's get shit faced. And then, you know, the show is three days long and you get dead. You die from your first day. And then you're like, Oh my God, what did I do? No, I have learned to be more patient. I've learned that. Not to take everything so serious. I think that every, every thing is a network opportunity. Every party's a network copper networking opportunity, everything that you do as a networking opportunity.

2 (30m 19s):
And I've learned how to sell what I do, the company, the business and everything. I such a thin line between being an absolute drag. When you're talking to someone about, you know, what, you know, your product and actually having a good conversation and making someone interested in your product. So I've learned that in the beginning, I was like, no, I have to be super serious. And you know, 20 is the best come in, studio 20. And like, people were looking at me like, you know, you're cute and you seem smart, but can you tone it down a little bit?

2 (30m 59s):
It's okay with me.

3 (31m 0s):
Oh girl.

2 (31m 5s):
You know, get that, get that stick out of your something. And you know, it's okay. We all do business here. It's not, you're not inventing the wheel now. You know? So that's what I learned. And that's, it helped it.

3 (31m 21s):
I bet. Now how has COVID affected your business and what measures has studio 20 taken to protect the employee?

2 (31m 31s):
So, like I said, in the beginning, we're very lucky that we work in the, in the online industry, right? Because obviously online traffic has increased a lot during the, during the log down in the pandemic. What we did was three 20 did to protect the employees and the models we started the, so the moment that the curfew and the lockdown started and everything where I think, okay, a lot of our models, I'm living at home with some of our models are living at home with their parents, or some of them are living alone, but you know, some have a car or some, you know, they, they just have an apartment. They don't have a car and so on and so forth.

2 (32m 12s):
And what we did was we started the studio at 20 limo. That is a limit service. So the model or the, you know, or, or the employee from the, from the studio, they request the car and the car with a driver, they come, they pick them up from their house. They go to the studio and then they do the same from the studio to the house, just to protect the employees and the models from, you know, getting contact with other people that might, you know, that might be positive. A lot of the, a lot of the models wanted to stay in the studio when the curfew started, because it was easier for them.

2 (32m 56s):
So we basically, we got, we got food delivered, we got a chef. We got, we made sure that everything is, you know, spotless. Not that it's not, it's like a saw,

3 (33m 8s):
It's like, it's like its own. It's like its own little city.

2 (33m 12s):
It is, it is it. You can, you can call it like that. We have our own ecosystem in the studios, but yeah, we made, we made sure that everybody's healthy because look, it's, it's a cam studio. So we all work in the same, you know, in the same spot, if one of the people there is sick, everybody's going to be sick and it's not just, you know, just in the studio, they take it to their house to take it to their families. We can't risk that. So I am happy. I'm happy to inform that. So far we have successfully had zero cases of COVID in the studios and all those.

2 (33m 56s):
Wow. What a success story. Even in America. Yeah. Yeah. Even in America, in America that makes one of you

3 (34m 6s):
Now, now what's, what's a common misconception about the cam industry that people who don't work.

2 (34m 15s):
A lot of people confuse cam with other types of sex work, which is because of, because of the freemium cam sites, you know, where you see everything there. People think a lot of people think that, Oh, if you know, if she's doing that, then she's escorting. Or if she's doing, you know, she's, she's prostituting. She's whatever. It's not true. It's not true. I said this a bunch of times before. I few think that after eight hours, let's say online, the, the model, the girl is still the wants or the man still wants to go and do some escorting on the site or they physically can.

2 (35m 2s):
I mean, you have no, like you have no idea how the human body works. It's tired. It's physically tiring it. And it's more than it is mentally tiring to talk.

3 (35m 15s):
Well, that's why I responded the way I did earlier. When you said eight hours. Cause I was thinking eight hours performing.

2 (35m 20s):
Yes, it is. It is. It is. But the, obviously they have breaks. You know, obviously they have breaks. It's not the, it's not the jail. They have breaks. They have business. This is why we have the trainers there all the time. Because the moment that, you know, let's say that one of her models has a private show. That's a bit crazy. Okay. She logs off after that. And she has someone to talk to. You do not have this when you're alone, when you're independent, when you're working from home, you don't have, and you don't have the sorority type of people that we have in a campus studio.

2 (36m 1s):
Okay. You log off model X, slugs off. And she goes on a break and she meets another model. There. They can talk, it's safe for them to talk. There's no judgment. They feel that they have someone that's listening to them and they do. And then they can talk to the trainers that we have. So this is how, this is how it works. So yeah, that's, that would be one of the misconception misconceptions that, you know, they're doing other types of sex work, which is not, it's not a bad thing, you know, do whatever you want, but it's kind of with the schedule that some models have, it's basically impossible. Then there's another misconception about, I would say the adult performers in general that they are not so intelligent.

2 (36m 44s):
That is so that is so wrong. I,

3 (36m 47s):
Yeah, no, I I've met some, I've met and talked to some very, very intelligent adult performers. Some of them are very good business people.

2 (36m 56s):
Exactly, exactly. Most of them because they understood from the start that, Hey, I'm my own business. I'm my own company. The thing is that the things that a performer knows are, are unmatchable. Like it's, it's amazing. And they're so smart and they're so down to earth because they know, and they realized soon enough that, Hey, I'm my own company. Like I said, I'm my own business. So I'm going to evolve. Yeah.

3 (37m 26s):
And also I think they tend to be kind of streetwise where other people aren't, which sometimes that amounts to a lot more than book-smart. Well, from what my experience has been over the years,

2 (37m 40s):
I think it's like, it's a, it's a sum of, of experiences, right? Because you learn as a performer, you learn how the taxes work, how business works, how illegal stuff work, how to protect yourself. It's, it's a mix of everything. It's a mix of everything. Also, you know, I admire the performers that are coming to B to B shows and they're, you know, attending the seminars and the conferences and everything because they learn a lot and they always grow their, their knowledge.

3 (38m 16s):
Well, I speak out, especially a lot of these cam shows. Now there's a lot of education for the models, which I just think is fabulous. To be honest, I, I, it's so good that that's out there and it's like, it's like college courses really when it comes right down to it. And I, and I know in Bucharest, you guys, you guys have a great, a great itinerary there for, for the educational side.

2 (38m 43s):
And we do, we do it's Bucharest. Summit is not only for, for a cam, but it's a porn as well. It's all everything. That's adult industry related and affiliate and affiliate industry related as well. Or we have had there it's, you know, everybody's, everybody will get something from it. Let's see the return of investment.

3 (39m 8s):
I look forward to getting there. I really do. It's like, it's, it's near the top of my list for sure. Now I I've heard, there's kind of a war going on between cam studios in Romania at Columbia and Russia. Who's winning and why are they?

2 (39m 26s):
Well, if you think about it, it's, it's alert would be, you know, a big thing to say, but I say, you know, smiling, because if you think of Russian women, they are, they're the fairies fairy looking women, you know, the blonde, the beautiful, the eyes, the skin, they look almost surreal. Then you have the Colombian women, which are known for being the sexiest women in the world. Right. And then you have the, and then you have the Romanian women, which kind of, you know, they're, they're sexy. They, most of them, 99% of them I'd say speak English or science and you know, everybody.

2 (40m 10s):

3 (40m 10s):
Let's, let's face, let's face it. Romanian women are sexy as how sexy and beautiful as hell too. I know I'm talking, I'm not, I'm talking to one, so, but

2 (40m 20s):
I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. So it's, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a bad war. I would say, it's everybody trying to seeing, like, you know, the Russians are looking at Romanians and Colombians and they're, they're like thinking, okay. The Romanians know English and they're, you know, more seductive and the Colombians are really sexual. So I will take my very looking face and you know, my queen behavior and I will add this to mixes in it. And then the Colombians are like, okay, I need to learn more English. And then I need to be more polished.

2 (41m 2s):
Let's say like the Russians, you know, so everybody's trying to, trying to learn or steal information from, from each other and behavior. And I think that's only helping in increasing and improving the industry per se, and the quality of the services that they provide.

3 (41m 24s):
What do you like to do on the very rare occasion? You're not working.

2 (41m 29s):
I love to sleep. Oh my God, I love sleeping. How awesome is sleeping. I'm not even kidding. And I, I want to go back to when I was a kid and I didn't want to take naps and just kick myself. I love what I love to read. I love to read and read about everything. You know, either, you know, some, some science fiction books or some, you know, some philosophy books or just the paper, or just a brush up on what's happening now in the world.

2 (42m 11s):
I love reading. I think it's, it's such a good way to discover it, to discover new things and, you know, just increase your vocabulary, just increase your knowledge, just your, your imagination as well. And, you know, I love to, I love to discover new places just a few days ago. I was the people that are going to listen to this, know this. I went to do a photo shoot in Cyprus for myself. Absolutely. And I was just, now I'm being, I'm being more creative and I'm discovering workplaces Cypress right now is in a lockdown when we do have a curfew.

2 (42m 55s):
So it's about, okay, what can I do in this amount of time here? And you know, just basically now in my, in my free time, this is what I do. I discover new places. Or I try to discover new places that get as creative as I can with the things that I, that I have rather than, you know, just sulking in my own misery and saying, Oh my God, life is unfair. So that's what I'm doing. Trying to stay positive.

1 (43m 23s):
Never does anybody any good, well, Onder, I'd really like to thank you for being our guest today on adult side broker tuck. And I hope we'll get a chance to do that again real soon.

2 (43m 34s):
Absolutely. Thank you so much. It has been a pleasure talking to Bruce and well for everybody that is listening, I wish you all great health and you know that you stay positive test negative, and that we can, we can see each other soon and you know, hug each other. Again,

1 (43m 55s):
I got a hug waiting for you. My dear. Nice talking to you. Nice talking to you. Thank you. My broker tip today is part three of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, find new ways to monetize your website, such as sell advertising. If you've got a free site, like a tube, that's the best way to monetize your site. And if you have a tube, another way to make more money is to sell premium memberships, offer free users, one level of content. And for premium users, you can do things like give them higher quality or longer videos or both. You can also make this site ad free for premium members.

1 (44m 37s):
Start an affiliate program. If you have a pay site, especially this is a great way to increase your quality traffic and get more joints with all sites, you can figure out other upgrades and products you can sell to your users. Pay sites can also sell, pay per view, where people have the option of paying by the scene for content they can't get on the site. This is also another way to charge users as opposed to a monthly fee, sell them other products like toys and novelties market, your business, do things to improve your search engine results like SEO. There is some great SEO consultants out there who can help you get higher search rankings in Google.

1 (45m 20s):
If you want some recommendations, contact us on our website list, all of the benefits of your site in your marketing and how they affect the user. And of course, hire a great marketing consulting firms such as. So I don't know, like adult B2B marketing, which we also happen to own eliminate unneeded expenses constantly make sure you're not spending money. You don't need to make sure there isn't duplication in your staffing from time to time check services you pay for like coasting and see if there are better and less expensive options. Take it from me. I've done this and saved a bunch. Plus got higher quality hosting in the process.

1 (46m 0s):
Again, ask us for recommendations. Always look for ways to do things more cost-effectively along with this, make your profit and loss statements show more profit, increasing sales and reducing expenses obviously does just that make sure your P and L statement accurately reflects your company's actual costs. Not a bunch of person, personal BS expenses you put in. This will cost you money when you sell it may help you with the tax man to put that stuff on your tax return, but it hurts you. If you show that stuff on your profit and loss statement, remember every dollar in profit increases the value of your website.

1 (46m 40s):
As much as three to four times, this is why you need a good experience broker to help lead you through the process. We've gotten people thousands of dollars, more on their sale just by adjusting the P and L statement to better reflect actual business expenses, as opposed to a bunch of BS. We'll talk about this subject more next week. And next week we'll be talking to adult film star, Kira queen,

0 (47m 10s):
And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest Andra from Studio20. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk, I'm Bruce Friedman.

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