Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 85 with Anna Lee of 2049 Entertainment

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Speaker 2 (3m 4s): Always a pleasure, always a pleasure,

Speaker 1 (3m 7s): Pleasure as always mind, and it hits. And as we know, you know, you and is, and has been in the adult industry for over 20 years, that's, that's hard to believe actually in the early two thousands, she had a web-based cam and phone sex service. Many of you know her as the former president of other vers in 2015, she started hollow film productions, which was the parent company of hollow girls, vr.com. There, Anna was an is its president and executive producer and 2019, she launched 2 0 4 9 entertainment, Inc.

A virtual reality production company that creates cutting edge, immersive inclusive, engaging content in live action, film, audio, and digital animation formats that is both innovative and entertaining while incorporating the latest in film and sex technology applications besides working on more of their own projects to oh four nine is one of the top adult VR production studios. And they're currently in full-time production for various studios, 2 0 4, 9 entertainment and hall of film productions have won numerous awards already in their short life span and has also recently become very much involved in NFTs and cryptocurrencies, which I'm anxious to hear about.

So Anna, last time we spoke your company, your company was rather new. Now you've got another year under your belt. How are things going?

Speaker 2 (4m 35s): Well, it's been a very interesting time, you know, the pandemic continues to about that. Yeah. It keeps, it keeps this nest stuff stopping yet fully stuffed. Yeah. So it's been a very interesting time in the, you know, 20, 49 has made the best of it. We've, we've done a tremendous amount of work with numerous amount of studios and I'm very grateful full of gratitude to be able to work with almost everybody. And it's been a wonderful experience. It's been really great as well for, for the industry up in Canada, where I am, and especially for the talent, that's appear to give them a taste of, of being able to be a part of something that they may not have traditionally been able to be in to have been a part of unless they were in the U S so we took advantage of that.

We've done really well, but we've kind of come to a space of where we're shifting gears a little bit. Number one, unfortunately, we still are very short on talent here. There's not enough to keep sort of the, the train going, so to speak studios while they are amazing. And they treat the ones that I've worked with have been amazing and treated us wonderfully and have booked the women and men that are up here numerous times. They still are always looking for fresh faces.

So that has been a bit of a challenge, but more so as well, vaccine mandate have come in. Sure. And especially where I live, and I have decided personally to adopt the same policies as the mainstream film industry, we're doing the same thing. And if, if not more so, you know, it's, it's a lot more close contact than you would in a regular movie. Right? So, yeah, so I've adopted the same policies for production as the mainstream film industry, which is fully vaccinated.

And unfortunately that's caused a significant drop-off in a lot of talent. And so we've really shifted focus, but at the same time, it was kind of going in this direction of heading back to my roots, which is more of the tech side, the crypto side, the NFT side. And so that's what I've been focusing a lot in the last few months, as well as doing some non adult stuff. I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say, but I'm working with that.

And also been working with two lovely performers as well to really bring up their websites as well. One miss Samantha Mac and the other is Ms. Kelly Shibari, AKA Kelly, Nakatomi

Speaker 1 (7m 17s): Kelly. I haven't talked to her forever.

Speaker 2 (7m 20s): Right. She is amazing. She is coming back. It took a little bit of a break and has decided to sort of enter back into the space. A lot of our focus though, and a lot of my focus that I've been sort of looking at is this merging of, of, or this crossing over, if you will, from adult to non adult, from adult to the mainstream industry, the lines are blurring and with, you know, the bit, you know, only fans being much more heavily accepted by everybody.

It's not such a thing anymore, if I can put it that way. So it's just, there's not such a stigma attached anymore to having had a past in adults or having worked in adult. Yeah. And you know, you said yourself, I've been in this industry for a minute, so we're getting a little bit older. We're getting older as we are. And you know, you can only see so many boobs in your lifetime.

Speaker 1 (8m 16s): No, wait a minute. I I'm still, I'm still not tired of seeing boobs.

Speaker 2 (8m 22s): Oh,

Speaker 1 (8m 23s): Okay. Okay. I was wondering about that and I didn't think I'd ever hear that from you either.

Speaker 2 (8m 28s): We didn't say we're tired. We're just slowing down a little bit, you know, it's, it's a little, it's a little harder to get out of bed in the morning, you know, so we're just, we're, we're really exploring. And what I've been doing, especially with 2049 is exploring how can we translate or bring ourselves over to sort of a bigger audience with a background in adult and providing, you know, the same sort of amazing content I tech content, innovative content that we've been, but, you know, with a little bit more covered up.

So that's something that we've really been exploring lately

Speaker 1 (9m 2s): Kind of like a PG type of thing.

Speaker 2 (9m 6s): I would say, I would say a hard R but not quite, not quite Fiji, not quite, but you never know. I mean, give me another 10 years, right, right there.

Speaker 1 (9m 18s): Yeah, exactly. Will you make sure and send my love to Kelly? She is a, she is a doll and tell her, I miss the hugs. So please, so you talked about the whole fact that you're requiring vaccinations, which I think is fantastic. How has that besides, you know, having a smaller universe of models, how has that impacted your business?

Speaker 2 (9m 45s): It's a, it's shut down production locally, completely. We have not been able to find any models, the Lord fully vaccinated. Unfortunately, I, you know, I'm, I'm the biggest advocate of, you know, your body, your choice, you know, whatever you decide to choose. But I, I, I made that personal decision based on a few things. I mean, like, you know, we're kind of joking around about being older, but you know, let's face it. I am. Right. So there's that. And also too, I have very amazing community that I live in.

I have the most wonderful neighbors who I'm fully transparent with and who are very aware of what I do. And I've been very supportive of it. And every single one of them is vaccinated. And, you know, on top of abiding by the film, you know, the rulings of the film industry in general as a whole. And I, when I say film industry, I mean beyond adults, I mean the wider film industry units in itself, you know, I decided that that was the best choice for myself and the people that are supportive of my business and that are in immediate contact with me on a daily basis on top of which I do have a very close family and friends who are in the non adult industry.

And if I want to spend time with them or work on those sets, which I have been doing as well, I cannot do so I can not go to set. I can not even spend time with a few of them unless I am vaccinated other under contract in order to, you know, they have to be. So I made the decision very easy for me. Unfortunately it meant that I had to stop production perhaps temporarily, perhaps for longer term up here in Canada.

I have however, been traveling and I have gone back to the U S I have gone back to Los Angeles. I have been there once so far since this whole thing started. And that was last month. And I will be going down again very shortly as well, provided everything remains, you know? Okay. Enough. And yeah. And so, you know, I will be resuming some shooting. There was specific people, but I'm, I'm upholding, you know, I'm upholding the, you know, the 20, 49 stance on required vaccinations.

My entire crew as well without even being asked is box two. So it's, it's a matter of, I feel like just, you know, listening and seeing who was around me and who's supporting me and, and going with that. And, you know, I wish everybody the best. I hope it all works out for them, but it's very interesting time.

Speaker 1 (12m 28s): Yes, indeed. Don't even get me started about people who refuse to get vaccinated. I agree with your body, your choice, but don't get me started. Sorry. Now how does commuting between LA and Vancouver impact your life?

Speaker 2 (12m 45s): This impact my life? Yeah. Well, I mean, other than I got to get a babysitter for the pups two dogs, not really. I have a huge community in Los Angeles. I've been very fortunate, lots of friends and some family now that are there and residing there. And it's literally a, I think it's a two hour flight from up to down. So it's, it's, it's, it's not really going to impact my life other than I got to admit. It was very nice for the time that I did get to shoot in my house.

I didn't have to go.

Speaker 1 (13m 18s): Yeah. You talked about that last time. It sounded really good.

Speaker 2 (13m 22s): Oh, it was a treat. It was a treat to be able to, you know, slowly set up and then slowly tear down and have everything. And if you were missing something, you knew exactly where it was. You can go get it. So it made things a lot easier, but you know, here we are, and we're always about innovating. We're always about moving forward. And I do welcome the opportunity to go back down and to work with some different people and to work with, you know, talent. That's, that's been around for a minute and, and they're very high caliber and, you know, and collaborate with old faces, familiar faces and, you know, create some really cool stuff that I was limited here.

You know, there was only so much to go around. So, but we, we had a great run and the run may not be over. You never know what's going to happen. Right. So maybe somebody listening to this will be like, oh, I'd love to work with Anna. And so, you know, next week will be a moot point and I'll be back shooting here. So

Speaker 1 (14m 17s): Well with the millions of people who listened to this podcast, I mean, it's, it's likely,

Speaker 2 (14m 21s): You never know. You never know. Never know maybe those things.

Speaker 1 (14m 24s): Absolutely. Now I have found that out. I have people mentioned, mentioned the podcast to me, and I'm always flattered now. I understand. And you, you alluded to it, you've entered into a new partnership with Mac movies and Samantha Mac wanted to tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (14m 45s): Well, Samantha Mack has been a long time collaborator difference. I've known her for quite a while and she's originally from Vancouver and has been in the us in Los Angeles for the last year. But one of the things, you know, that make my skillset very unique is I started off, well, let's say in the sort of the first, the first act of my career, first, the second act, my career, you can tell. I work in film the first, the second act of my career, I was very fortunate to be able to work from a perspective of not only having the knowledge of being able to produce and so on and so forth, but also webmaster knowledge, which is invaluable running a website, running a membership site.

So I do have to think other verse for that for giving me that knowledge relay center for giving me 13 years, I think D did with them learning how to read statistics, you know, sell ads, buy ads, run a member site, deal with members. So I'm in a very fortunate position of where I can do both. Oftentimes we'll run into people who are just on the production side or just on the website. So thankfully I've been able to do both and merge the two. And after a couple of talks with Sam, we decided, you know, especially as things were slowing down for me over here on the production side, I said, let me get a crack at your site and see if we can do something with it.

I said, give me three months. And three months has turned into, I don't even know what now. So yeah. So we've entered a longterm partnership. I mean, she's always been a great partner collaborator from the beginning. So, but I am actively supporting her with Mac movies. We're doing some amazing things with the site. We're releasing three gorgeous scenes a week. So that's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot three seeds a week. There's yeah, we are featuring a new model every month.

And these are models who are, who have been supportive with us or supportive of us in the beginning, as well as girls from Canada too. Oh, that's been very important to us to, to really showcase that we've got some amazing talent up here and yeah, we've, you know, we've been pushing forward and I'm anxious to see how it goes, come and works time because Sam has really put in the hard yards. I don't know. I think that's an Australian saying, I don't know, I say that, but she's really put in the work and, and it shows both physically and behind in her business.

And we've got some big plans as well for merchandise, the TV show, you know, and like I said, I've been very, very fortunate in my career to have had experience in working in all these areas. And so it's been a, it's been a wonderful, wonderful experience and a great honor to be able to work with somebody who trusts me enough to say, Hey, let's go and do this. Let's go and do this and see, you know, some of the stuff, you know, we're, we're, we're figuring it out as we go, especially as we move into the non adult territory.

And we climb out of our safety net, which is a been very interesting, but to, to work with somebody who I've known for so long, and we have that trust, there is really great because it motivates both of us to take some risks that we probably wouldn't have done with anybody else or had she, had she hired somebody else to help her, you know, it's a manager might not have agreed to that because they're maybe too afraid to do the crossover. So, yeah. So with her and I have a lot of plans and you know, and we're starting to see them come together and, and some of them, like I said, include, include venturing out of the adult space and into the non adult potentially network TV area.

Speaker 1 (18m 39s): Yeah. That's great. You'll have to, you don't have to send me a user password. I can see some of the work you've done over there.

Speaker 2 (18m 45s): 100%

Speaker 1 (18m 47s): Love it. I love it. So I love to see your work. So I recently interviewed Michael, Federo say the attorney, and when I asked him what he thought, the next big thing would be, he said VR and the technology has been an adult for some years now. And you were among the first to get involved with it. So how is VR doing overall and what do you see as its future?

Speaker 2 (19m 18s): Well, first of all, thanks Michael, for believing in us, he actually, you know, side sidebar here, he's actually always been a believer of VR from the beginning. He was very instrumental in having a hollow film, be a part of the avian awards many, many years ago on streaming and VR. So I thank him for that. I thank him for always being an advocate and a supporter of it. And so that's awesome that he's still is totally behind us. I'm that, to answer your question, the, the current state of VR was that the first part of the question and where do I think it's going?

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19m 51s): What, what's the current state of VR and overall, and what do you see as its future?

Speaker 2 (19m 56s): I think VR had a baby resurgence, especially during COVID. It was a very nice way. I know myself, you know, personal tale here. I know myself getting my Oculus quest to finally, after it came back and stock spent a considerable amount of time walking around Thailand and walking around like, you know, in Brazil through the headset, you know? So that was, I literally won't use myself for like, like, could you can't see the time? Right. So I'm like, I put that bad boy on. And then all of a sudden it's like, after minutes, like what squid on here, you know, we already partying in Thailand in my headset.

Speaker 1 (20m 31s): So I have to do it in person out here with that.

Speaker 2 (20m 34s): Eventually, eventually it's going to happen. Actually, it's quite at the top of my list, but you know, there, there was a, there was a bit of a resurgence there during COVID for, to allow people to, you know, form of escapism, get out there and do stuff when they were trapped in their homes. And in terms of the content itself, the demand was not slowed down. In fact, I've seen an increase in it. Now, mind you, I am not currently running a VR site, a member site, so I don't have exact figures for you, but in terms of the demand coming from studios for, for content it's increased, it's definitely increased.

So where do I see the art going? And it's it's profitable. It must be however, however, and this is a bit of a caveat, unless you have already figured out the formula for VR or you come in with the right equipment and the right understanding of what the customer is looking for, and that changes a lot. So you have to constantly be up on that. You have to constantly be researching that it's very hard to break in. It is very hard to break in.

It's a little bit of a small club. The top, the top studios are the ones that have been there since ground zero and the producers that are working for them and the, the content providers that are coming in and providing the content have been around for a very long time, or have the ability to really, really understand what the customer wants, have the proper equipment and, or have developed a style, which I think is the case of me that is very unique and that people would like, because it translates very well to my medium.

Sure. Well, so there's that, but where's it going? I don't have a timeline for you because I'm always surprised, but where I hope it's going. And let's, let's say that where I hope is going is I hope what we're currently seeing in the current iteration of VR is just the beginning. I hope that a lot of what we're doing is going to assume it's no longer going to be VR in the sense that we think of it. I think what people are really looking for when it comes to this type of BDM and I'm going to refer to it as XR, and this also bleeds over to NFTs and things as well is enhanced life experiences.

So whether that be sexual through porn, whether that be through being able to walk around Thailand, whether it be through a hologram or a holograph experience or AR or whatever, I think people are really looking for enhanced life experiences or the ability to do things in a way that makes them feel like they are actually participating in it without having to that's where I see things going. I, I feel like the narrative version of VR that we're currently doing with, you know, the three or four standard scenes and, you know, everything is just the tip of the iceberg.

And I hope I'm still around and kicking to see like a fully functional, like, not AI. I don't want to use that word cause it like just brings up this connotation of Skynet and all this shit. But like, but like the ability to be more of an active participant in your poor that you're watching. So for example, like I'm going to go throw a scene on and I looked down and instead of the stud Dick, I can say that.

I'm not sure how that

Speaker 1 (24m 11s): Yeah. You can stay say stunt, Dick stunt cock, fuck shit fucker. Come on, man. What do you think I'm going to have? What do you think I'm going to have a PG podcast? We've, we've talked before

Speaker 2 (24m 24s): A practice for the mainstream. So, you know, looked at it instead of a suck off. Right. Cause I don't, I don't personally associate with that. I'd love to be able to see either my body or a body that I would like to see, you know, and then have the performer who was in front of the camera, who is performing the actions on me to be able to interact with me or to, to, to, to, to interact with me. So if I say something that they respond accordingly, you know, and I know it's going to take a minute.

I know this is going to take a while, but that's just the tip of the iceberg where I think we should start to be headed. Where should we shouldn't be start to be looking. And a lot of the content that I currently do is setting up for the very, very base ground floor level. That kind of idea.

Speaker 1 (25m 12s): Interesting. Yeah. Well, you know, AI is going to be part of it. So that's, that's this, or some something like AI, it might be called something else by then.

Speaker 2 (25m 21s): I'm just so hesitant to use the term because people automatically like link it to like, like all of a sudden robots are gonna take over the world and it's not necessarily the case. So like when you use that term immediately, they're like, no, I saw Terminator. I'm good. I don't want that. So yeah,

Speaker 1 (25m 38s): I get it. I get it. Yeah. Well that's yes, robots. We all fear them. So why do you think VR hasn't become more of a mainstream fixture and adult than it has so far? What do you think's really holding it back.

Speaker 2 (25m 57s): I think the headsets are holding it back at it. I don't know if I said that last year. I still feel the same way. Oh yeah. It's still as much as it's cool. Like the new Oculus to quest to is, is a vast improvement over anything else I've ever used in my entire career. It's still cumbersome. It's still cumbersome. And when it can come down to, oh God, I can't believe I'm about to say this. I didn't think I'd ever see something like this. Go for it.

When it comes down to being able to like either drop something against your foreheads, that you can see something else or like, you know, wear a pair of glasses that don't feel heavier than my Coke bottles that I have, which are pretty heavy, but like what, or, or contact lenses, something then, you know, then we're talking, you know? And then also there's the other factor of when you put it on, you're completely lost in a world, which has, which is a cool part.

But a lot of people don't want to do. They don't want to get robbed before.

Speaker 1 (27m 1s): Yeah. They don't want to be, they don't want to be out of touch with what's going on around them.

Speaker 2 (27m 7s): Yeah. So there's that as well. So I think that headset has been the real limiting factor, but when you are able to enjoy it in a place that you feel safe to be able to let go, then those who are advocates of it can see the merits of it. You can see that this is where things are going and how amazing this is and, and the great benefits and positive things that could come out of it. But yeah, until the had sets become a lot easier to use, and it's not easy to navigate in that thing either. Like I'm pretty savvy and even some days I'm like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (27m 40s): Yeah. I got the Oculus, I got the Oculus and I gotta admit I've hardly used it. I, I I've checked out a couple sites and things like that. I knew I needed one just to, just to be in touch. But God, I just

Speaker 2 (27m 55s): It's the getting it on.

Speaker 1 (27m 56s): I was excited. Yeah. I wasn't really excited about it, to be honest with you. Well, the glasses just glasses, that would be more like AR wouldn't it. If I'm saying that if the correct and haven't, I heard Apple's working on some things like that.

Speaker 2 (28m 11s): I think everybody was working on and we remember Google last that was AR you know,

Speaker 1 (28m 16s): It was a

Speaker 2 (28m 16s): Joke. Right. But it's when a layer of, of, of the thing that you're seeing is later on top of the real world. So this one, would it be, I, it, doesn't not necessarily, maybe they're a pair of sunglasses that completely envelop your eyes and block them out and it could be the same. You would just have to be able to run a process or in such a small thing, which, I mean, we're doing it with cell phones eventually I think would be able to do something like that.

Speaker 1 (28m 43s): I just have an app. Yeah. You just have an app and you, and you do it on your phone. That would be the likely thing. Right?

Speaker 2 (28m 49s): Well, that's the thing is the problem with the Samsung was it was run on the phone and the phone is very limiting in itself as well. I don't have the answer. I'm not a hardware manufacturer. I wish I was, I could do a lot of stuff, but that's the one thing I don't know. So I don't have the full answer for you. I just know that from talking to people and from my own personal experience, that we're the headset a little bit more, user-friendly a little less cumbersome. Then eliminating that barrier to entry would, it would allow for the VR industry, took off a little bit more because right now, you know, I have a pair of computer glasses that sit by my desk.

So every time I edit, I just whack them on. And I, there, sometimes I walk around and I forget that I even have them on. Whereas my headset is a thing where I'm going to go in the bed or go in the case of zip it, take it out and make sure it's charged. There's like all these steps. Right. But once I'm in there, I'm good. Once I'm in there, I'm good. It's the getting, it's like getting into the gym, what? You're starting to work, but I know once you're there, you're, you're glad you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (29m 57s): Yeah, no kidding. Well, I've been getting up at five. I've been getting up at five in the morning to walk the beach. So

Speaker 2 (30m 4s): Just started sort of back. Cause I was like, you know, things might be a 1:00 AM soon. We've let her get her button here. But, but those first couple of it's been about a month or two since I've started. But that, those first couple days was trying to get the shoes on. It was just a lot of psychic. Yeah. It was

Speaker 1 (30m 21s): Trying to wake up for me one morning. I was like, I got such a good night's sleep. I was like, oh fuck it. I'm going back to bed anyway. It's like the beds calling you. They, I I've seen this in movies and cartoons and stuff before. And it's so true. The bed's calling Bruce, Bruce, come here. I'm so comfortable. Come come. You don't want to go anywhere anyway. Okay. So

Speaker 2 (30m 50s): It's the same thing with porn though. Like if you just want to get off really quick, just open your phone. Right. But then you're going to have to put this whole thing on your head, like going to workout.

Speaker 1 (30m 59s): Yup. So, so being one of the first, what advice would you give to producers and companies who want to start filming in VR? I mean, you, can, you kind of, poo-pooed the idea a little while ago and said how hard it is, but if you, if someone was starting today, how can they be successful?

Speaker 2 (31m 19s): Number one, a lot of research, a lot of research, watch content, watch it on, have it, figure out what equipment you need and then get that equipment or get something better. I am a huge advocate of people, always trying to push to be better, always trying to innovate. You know, I'm not, poo-pooing it, it's just, it's just not easy. It's not easy. And unfortunately, what I've noticed about this particular industry is it's very easy to make money with sex.

If you've got even like a cell phone, you can, you can do it. You can make a decent living, you know? And I think that that kind of thinking comes into play with people coming into the VR space and they don't realize how technically challenging it is and how it is a different medium in terms of you're shooting straight POV. So for those who do do POV content shooting, you know what I'm talking about, it is very POV. The person watching is always an active participant in the scene.

And then it requires a very sophisticated use of equipment because you need to make this feel as real as possible. And if you're a shooting in 10 80, that's not gonna happen, right. You need a super high frame rate and the highest resolution that your headset can handle in order to make this feel as real as possible. And then because of that, we need to make sure your lighting is adequate. Your settings. Your model is great that he or she or them can, they can speak with confidence in, into a robot to, to camera.

So there's all these little pieces, but if you were ready to do it, I mean, by all means, go for it. A lot of the, a lot of producers, myself included very open to chatting and sharing ideas and talking and helping each other, such a wonderful small community where we legitimately share ideas and struggles and frustrations. And we're all using similar equipment. And we all talk to each other, which is very much not like it wasn't the beginning in the beginning. It was like every man for himself. And now we're on a chat together.

It's great. And we're all helping each other out. So I'd love that. And that's something that I always wanted for this industry. So I think it's going to make that sector of the industry even stronger. But so, you know, there's that, but you know, just know that it is a heavy investment in terms of equipment and it is a heavy investment in terms of research and it is an ever changing rapidly changing segment of the industry. So for example, my regular camera, which is not a VR camera I've had around forever. The VR camera that I have is currently almost obsolete.

And I just literally got it like last year, not even a year ago, so

Speaker 1 (34m 8s): You can sell, you can sell it to one of the new people,

Speaker 2 (34m 12s): Right. But then that's why they, then that's why it doesn't go. Well, I can't do that. So that's where we're at. It's, I'm not discouraging anybody. I'm just being realistic. You just gotta be ready to enter the race and realize that you're going to need a new, new horse every three months when they come in. I know it's the price of innovation. They really,

Speaker 1 (34m 37s): So a lot of sites have been heavily impacted greatly by the clip sites, the fan platforms, and with performers able to be their own distributor, bypassing the production houses and sites. Do you find that doing VR gives you an edge over companies shooting only traditional content.

Speaker 2 (34m 58s): 1000%, a thousand percent VR is, is very hard to shoot at home by yourself. And there is a demand for it. So there are performers who, you know what, I'm just okay. As I'm talking, I'm kind of getting my it's a bit of a double-edged sword. They'll tell you why VR is, is, is I will always have a job in production if I want to. If I continue in the, in the VR from which I will, but then they're here. Here's the rub is being a VR.

Performer is not easy. It's a very demanding physically, mentally, too long. It's a long day. It's a hard, it's a hard shoot. Even when it's easy, it's still much more difficult than the easiest regular shoot. And so we ha there are some performers who are just like, yeah, heck, heck no, we're good. We're out. We don't want to do it. So it's, it's both. I will never be out of a job, but I'm also very limited in terms of my choice, like my choices and just wide open.

I mean, you could say that about any sector of production, but definitely there are some top performers who are just like, I'm no, I'm, I'm a no on VR. It's too difficult, too challenging. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's intense, it's intense. And it's not an easy job. And it requires a very special performer to be able to, to use their leg strength for the entire shoot, command everything by themselves. And that yet still create a feeling of intimacy with the camp and just the stuff it's not easy.

Speaker 1 (36m 37s): It's hard.

Speaker 2 (36m 38s): Yeah. And some of my best, my best ladies that I've worked with are excellent actual actresses who have, you know, worked. So I'd love to see someone like, oh my God, I can't believe her name is escaping me right now. The beautiful redhead from deeper. Fuck the contract. It'll come to me a little bit, a little bit later. I can't believe it's my old age.

Speaker 1 (37m 4s): You'll scream it in your you'll scream it in your sleep. Don't don't talk to me about age. I've got maladies that are older than you. Anyway. I'll let you, I'll let you think about that for awhile. So

Speaker 2 (37m 23s): Maitland ward.

Speaker 1 (37m 24s): Oh yes, yes, yes. We've been in contact lately about an energy.

Speaker 2 (37m 29s): She would be a wonderful VR performer. I think she would be amazing. So that's who I was saying.

Speaker 1 (37m 35s): I think she'd be good at a good interview too. I hope she, she gets back to me. So you've been in this business for a while. Like I have a, it seems a government bodies and corporations are coming after the adult industry more than they ever have. Now, how is that impacting your business and what do you see happening going forward

Speaker 2 (37m 58s): So far? It hasn't really impacted me in terms of on the production side, but all the members side. So working with Samantha, for example, and then, you know, as I'm starting my relationship with Kelly, it definitely is impacting their, we have to be very, very careful with everything. I've always been extremely, super diligent with our paperwork and over practices when it was with polo girls and so on, but I even more so it's very limiting and it's very limiting, especially when it comes to the pails. And of course you're always living under this sort of the shadow or this cloud of fear that at any time MasterCard or whoever will just close your account and then you're Sol, right.

And it's a very, very real thing. We've seen it happen many, many times. I mean, even with social media accounts, we've seen it happen numerous times. And so there is no security. The only thing to me that is the correct response to that, and perhaps the segues into the NFTs and crypto is to accept crypto payments. I'm a huge advocate of it. I'm a self accepted on behalf of the company in lieu of traditional payment for anything.

And it has been perhaps the most lucrative method of collecting money that I have encountered so far. I may be seeing a different tune a year from now, but as it stands right today, I mean, I'm realistic as well. Things change, you know, so, but as of today, I've accepted a few contracts in crypto and it has proven to be far more lucrative where I was paid out at an initial amount of money I properly called, you know, staked it staking and ended up with far more money than I originally started with a mere months later.

So it's, it's been a good move for me. And I really, really highly advise everybody in the adult industry. If you're not familiar with it to take a look at it, it can be an extremely effective method of payment. And then if it's handled correctly, once it's in your possession, you could benefit from it.

Speaker 1 (40m 11s): It becomes a good investment. If it keeps going up, of course now,

Speaker 2 (40m 17s): Well there's some, let me interrupt you there. It's not, we don't necessarily have to accept it when erythemia, you couldn't get a staple coin, which is USD T or C, which doesn't really fluctuate since it's very one-to-one to the dollar, but, but the interest in the return on it, you can get far outweighs locking it up in a traditional bank. So that's right. Exactly. So it's, it's extremely lucrative if you're, if you're once again, getting back to anything tech, you've got to constantly be reading constantly be curious and constantly researching.

Speaker 1 (40m 53s): No, I agree. So let's roll into that. You you're involved in an FTS, which is something that fascinates me. And I know very little about, I was having a conversation with a mutual friend yesterday about it. We talked about before we turned on the recorder. So tell me more about NFTs and how it's going for you.

Speaker 2 (41m 18s): Well, I think people think of NFTs as some really huge, crazy, hard to understand anomaly that is floating around with other terms like doge and Bitcoin and, you know, whatever. And it really, it's quite a very simple concept, you know, and I'm not going to get into it. I mean, you, you know what I mean? Do you do, do, do you know what a teaser or are you still not sure? I have a

Speaker 1 (41m 44s): Basic understanding of them? Yes.

Speaker 2 (41m 47s): Okay. Well, I mean the most basic level of the way I explain it to two performers, especially who come to me and say, what is the set of teeth? And it shouldn't involved. Is it, it's just basically a code that is put on to an asset that you create online. So it could be a piece of art. It could be a photo, it could be a piece of music. And what is it embedded in that determines what holding the asset will give you sort of trying to explain to people.

And I think that, I think there's some people who came in and just like, you know, kind of Harold this thing as the second coming. And it's cool. And it's a really cool way. Not me. I'm not saying this, that I do this, but I have heard it's a really great way to launder money For illegal purposes. I do not purchase anything like that, but I've heard, you know, rivers has it, that, that's what it is, you know? And they come in and they just say, oh, this, this great thing. And then they can't really explain it.

It's just literally a way of tracking things. It's a way of tracking the path of something as it changes hands and what those hands will receive when they get the thing that is the big box. That's literally what it is. It's very simple when you think about it. And because of that, I think that the, I think everyone should be involved in it, especially in our industry, in any entertainment industry.

Like you want royalties will, here's how you do it. You know, you want to be able to control where your content goes and who sees it and, and how it operates and what they get when they see it, that this is the way to do it right now. It's like, oh, there's all these people hyping it up using big words. They don't fully understand what it is. And I think that scares some people away. I think some people thought going into it, they were going to make like a billion dollars on the first sale, but let's look at it from a like actual like, use, like, what's the word I'm looking for.

It's quite late for me, but let's look at it from what you, from an actual, like, you know, functional every day application. It's, it's, it's an amazing tool. It's an amazing tool to be able to track where your stuff goes. And so, you know, we're talking about all these, these girls and stuff, and these guys who were doing their only fans and doing all their own thing. I mean, imagine you continue to create your own content.

Speaker 1 (44m 33s): So, so what you're doing, so what you're telling me is you could track it for piracy,

Speaker 2 (44m 39s): The dragon for piracy. You could track it for, for residuals. Hmm. I mean, they're kind of go hand in hand if someone's probably going to content, you're losing money, right. So no, but every time this content changes hands, you'll get an you'll. You can see that and you'll be able to receive the proper payment for it. But this requires an amount of learning or becoming comfortable with something that they may not be comfortable with. And, and it also a form of trust. I remember the first time I ever tried to send some Bitcoin somewhere, I was scared.

Like, you know, it was a, it was a scary thing. Now I, I trade all day long, right? So it's like, ain't no thing anymore, but I wish less so and so called in at T producers would hype it up as much as they are and trying to make people believe that they're going to become overnight millionaires because this is not true. I mean, like it's the same way as an agent coming up to you and saying, baby, you're going to be a star. You know, like, maybe you will, maybe you won't, you know, maybe you will, maybe you won't, but it's the same thing with the entities, you know, it's it's, but there's such amazing applications with it that I think those can go hand in hand, especially if in your, any form of creative content producing industry.

And it doesn't even have to be adult, but God, why is not, why have, why has adult not adopted more? That kind of sector is just like, it absolutely like just floors me.

Speaker 1 (46m 11s): Sure. So, so I mean, what aspect of NFTs are you involved?

Speaker 2 (46m 18s): So I'm involved in pretty much all aspects, but majority of what I've been recruited to do or been requested mostly to do is to help make them help make them and help to make, to really, really high quality ones, but also a large part of why being asked for that is I have a good reputation. I have, I have my experience in VR and VR goes really nicely hand in hand with NFTs. You know, it's the same kind of audience.

So the audience is well-versed. And so the content that we make does a little bit better, but also too, I'm a huge believer in the I'm a huge advocate in terms of the, the, the, the functionality of it, the, the use behind it, the reason for using it. And I actively live as I speak. So, you know, I am heavily involved in it on a personal side and yeah, I see the value of it.

Of course, there are things that need to be fixed with it. It's not perfect Ethereum, while I'm also an Ethereum fan also makes it challenging, so expensive you're using, you know, that's a whole, there's a whole nother hour conversation to get that, but, but I think the idea behind it and the beginnings of it, and once again, all of these things that we've discussed tonight, I feel like everything is just the beginning of what's going to be this amazing way of using things later in the future, where we go, where did it start?

Oh yeah. You know, like that, that's how it started. That was the, that was the beginning. And I feel like we're really, really in the beginning. And I feel that this pandemic, especially the time that we had locked down and all of these things that came up during it, and I'm talking about the innovative stuff, the stuff tech wise has been very interesting to me. I feel like it's, we're, we're coming into sort of a new era of a, a new tech revolution. If you will live in an industrial one.

And I'm very excited to see where things go and I hope more people will take anyone who's listening to this and has always been interested in the applications of it, really start looking at it. It is a political to everything that everybody in this industry does. For some people, it might be a negative thing to take money away from them. Let's be honest, but you know, but what better way to arm yourself for that inevitable, inevitable reality than to read up and learn is when she,

Speaker 1 (49m 4s): You convinced me. So you're also diversifying heavily into crypto, including staking and mining it. I don't even know what staking is. You can explain. What's your take on the current crypto market. Do you see it shooting the moon? Like so many others? Do I just read so much BS? W what's your take?

Speaker 2 (49m 30s): Well, my take is, I, I don't, I mean, I hold a few of the long-term molds. I do have some points that I'm holding for the long-term just to see what whole gold or silver I do hold that. I do believe that we have not seen the bottom of things. And the reason why I believe that is because I really believe that the what's the term when it's just like average Joe's coming in and investing, but there's a specific, Yeah, but there's a specific term. Oh, I think they're called like, like commerce investors.

But anyway,

Speaker 1 (50m 3s): I don't know,

Speaker 2 (50m 5s): The, every man, the, every man who was not really into finance and stuff, like once again, during the pandemic, they had a lot of time on their hands. They started to get involved in it, retail investors. That's what it is. That's the thing. And so I honestly believe that what we're seeing is not the bottom, or I don't think things are going to tank. Like everybody says, there are definitely shit coins that come in and out into play.

Speaker 1 (50m 29s): I put a bunch of money into one of those actually.

Speaker 2 (50m 32s): So, you know, I mean, I have, I have a fun wallet that has some Keanu coin in it, you know, go Keanu that I bought for fun, spend all of $15 on it, you know? Like, so I'm not, I have, I have some, but I've been holding it for a long time now. Here's, here's my quick dose story, like really fast. So I actually have been holding it for years and then it, I made something like I've made. So I was like holding like, like $20 for the judge.

Right. And then it made something like five grand. I think it was like five or six grand. And I got so excited and they're cashed out, oh boy, did I miss the boat on that? Cause they went way the fuck off.

Speaker 1 (51m 17s): That's my story on Bitcoin.

Speaker 2 (51m 21s): I still hold a little bit. I've got a little bit and it's just tucked away. And I learned my lesson just to chill. And so I have a dedicated fund dabbling one. I mean, I waste money on other bullshit, you know, like I'm like, what's 15 bucks here and there. So I got that stuck to me. I won't touch it until it reaches the millions and you know, just, just a pipe dream and you hope it happens and it might happen. Cause sometimes shit happens to people in good ways. But I'm going back to the original thing we're talking about where I use big, sorry, not big coin where I use crypto is staking it and saving it, locking it

Speaker 1 (51m 57s): Is saving.

Speaker 2 (51m 59s): Staking is okay. Oh, I am not. I do not have the vocabulary to condense this into a very short explanation. Right. So it is like saving. It is like saving, but different coins require different protocols in order to prove that they work. I'm not using the right terminology for it. And so they offer rewards if you hold onto your coins various. Yes. So you get paid out in what feels like interests or what is often coined as the term rewards.

And so for example, with my holding of USD tea, which is like the U S coin, when I stake my USDA tea, I get back rewards, which are equivalent to what would feel like if I was putting my money in a bank and I was getting interest. However, the interest is far more far greater than what I would get in any traditional bank. And on top of that, it's, it's, it is the word compounded. So what I'm looking for. So for example, if I'm holding a hundred S CT and I make two USD T that's a huge high percentage, but whatever let's say, I make two USD T for holding it that day.

Well then the next day I'll make the percentage on a hundred and so on and so forth. And it just like all of a sudden six months later, you're like, whoa, I guess, I guess Quinn's. But then there's also the risk factor that you're taking to be able to even be able to cash anything else. So I'm very, I stick with the tried and true stuff. I do. Like I said, have my fun wallet where I have a couple shit quiz in there for fun and still weighed. But, but yeah, I have my, I have my long-term holdings and, and my stuff I'm actively actively staking and saving and I take my profits and I do it smart and I don't don't mess.

And I don't just Willy nilly buy something just cause some influencer told ManTech talk to, but I do see the real value in this and in so much to, you know, I accepted payment for a contract and the payment landed within 30 seconds after we agree. It's never happened to me before.

Speaker 1 (54m 16s): Nice. That's nice. I read this article on medium. If you don't subscribe to it, I recommend that it's really good. And so many things hyping coins though, because you know that people can, I can write an article on medium. You can write an article on medium. And, but this one was fantastic. This guy, how I made a hundred million dollars in one year investing in crypto and the whole thing from start to finish was total tongue in cheek.

It was all bullshit. And I I'll, I'll see if I can find it and because you you'd get a kick out of it and I'm reading it and it's, it's like, oh yeah, okay. And then the guy seemed believable until the end. He tells you he's been lying to you the whole time. So it was fantastic. It was just fantastic. So,

Speaker 2 (55m 6s): But I mean like it's the same thing. Like I was saying earlier with that at T is like, there's so many people that have an exceptional experience or story with it and then that just gets blown. And then the minute that you don't have a similar experience, all this is shit, you know? And then,

Speaker 1 (55m 20s): Oh yeah, but I mean, this guy, this guy, wasn't this guy wasn't talking down crypto. He was just, it was kind of a hole. It was a spoof on all these people that write all these articles, talking about how wonderful this coin is going to be. And, and, and he's like listened to every tick talk person and, and a YouTube video. And, oh man, it was funny. It was, it was really, really funny. And he was talking about some of the people he gets his advice from and he, he mentioned some of these people randomly, it was hilarious.

The whole thing is, as it goes on, you're like, huh,

Speaker 2 (56m 1s): I have a hard time listening to somebody who is like 19 years old in, in a dark room with a ring light. Like I have a real hard time, you know, no offense. There's some geniuses out there that are like, wait, no way more than me. And I've got some nephews who just turned 20. Those guys know so much about things that I don't know. But I inside say something when it comes to my money, I'm, I'm going to read the company like words, Listing the stocks, right? You're not going to listen to a kid.

You're going to read what's up with the company what's going on? What are they doing? Have they performed in the past? You know, things like that make some educated guesses, but it requires an amount of effort that I think a lot of people don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (56m 43s): It makes a lot more sense now doesn't it? Well, Anna always, always delightful, like to thank you for being our guest. Once again, on adult side, broker tuck, and I'm looking forward to part three

Speaker 2 (56m 59s): Next year,

Speaker 1 (57m 0s): Hey, why not? My broker tip today as part seven of how to buy an adult website last week, we talked about the agreement and escrow. So you own the website. What do you do now? The first thing you should do is make sure you understand everything about the operation of the site. The previous owner will hopefully be available for a period of time to help you with this. As I mentioned last week, you should establish what the former owners participation will be after the sale. You'll need to deal with production of new content processing, paying affiliates, and many other things.

If you don't have experience in these matters, you may want to consider our general consulting from adult business consulting. You can get more information on what this company does@adultbusinessconsulting.com. We help website owners, project manage and guide them to the right vendors. Maybe the previous owner had all the right elements, processing, hosting, payments, production scripts, et cetera, or maybe they didn't. We can help evaluate that for you. Let us know if we can help.

Anyway, you'll now be operating the website. If you don't have someone like our general consulting company to help evaluate all of these items and everything else, the site is spending money on and using to operate the website, make sure you're getting a good deal and that these companies are providing the right service and check to see if you can do better. Hosting is a great example on something where people are often both overpaying and not getting the right service. Many times the server is just too slow.

If you have any questions about any of this, feel free to reach out to us on our website next week. We'll talk about how to sell a website and next week we'll be speaking with Mike Pinto of Smutyfy. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest Anna Lee. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.