This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what's going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we'll be talking with Lance Hart of Pervout.
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Now time for this week's interview.
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Yes. Today on adult site, broker talk is Lance heart of perv out Lance, thanks for being with us today on adult side broker talk.
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Thanks for having me, man. It's good to be back pleasure.
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And as Lance mentioned, you are our first repeat guest on adult site broker talk.
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And, and nobody else wanted to come back. No, I'm kidding. And, and the reason is because your segment was extremely popular and it really felt like when we talk, we were kind of just getting started. So we will continue today. Now let me tell everyone about Lance again, he's one of the most prolific stars in adult. It can master any role and has done it all from gay, straight fetish by trans and everything in between his first scene was for Sean Cody. And he went on to become one of their top contracted models. After that he started his own fetish studio and produced clips, and eventually went on to found his current studios, man-up films, sweet fandom, and Lance Hart studios.
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Recently he started a new site, hot stock com H O T H O T T S, which is actually hot T s.com. And with over 10 years in adult, Lance's worked with all the top studios, including kink, evil angel loss, cinema, iron male, or icon male trans erotica, transsexual, gender X fetish force, wasteland, and severe sex films. He's an official spokesmodel for Playgirl as well as a brand spokesmodel for XR brands. Now Lance's received countless nominations, including from ABN X biz, the fetish awards Collesh bought awards, gay flesh bought awards, PornHub awards, all porn awards, urban X awards, cyber socket, and the Grabbys.
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Let me take a breath. Okay. He's one niche performer of the year and multiple awards for his seen work from the AVN awards male clip artist of the year from the expos awards, and he's won the X biz cam awards best male clip artists. Lance has also scored male performer of the year from the fetish awards three times in a row, as well as a favorite male fetish, webcam, performer, and favorite fetish featured film. Lance has also won best male performer from the alt porn awards, tea awards, and gave an awards. He's grabbed a ton of mainstream coverage from outlets like GQ, Buzzfeed paper magazine, the daily beast, the Boston globe Oxy and input.
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Okay. That's quite a resume now, Lance, you have some new sites on dot com. Why don't you tell me more about them and tell me who's going to direct them for you.
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Sure. So my good friend, Nikki hearts already had a site called diet down and she was running it pretty well. I mean, it was, it was going well. She was doing it sort of like all on her own w excuse me, with like a WordPress kind of background and had quite a following, but it just needed a little kick, need, a little funding. And she needed backend support, like someone to do the affiliate stuff and all the traffic trades and the, you know, make it show up on PornHub and make it, do all the stuff that no one tells you how to do it. You have to figure it out, you know? And so I invested in that site and moved it over to perv out.
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And now that's the first of hopefully many deals like that. Or I find someone who's directing and kind of kicking ass, but just needs a little leg up and bring them on board. And, and, and she's at sites doing great. I mean, for a brand new site, especially I'm blown away with how well it's performing. I mean, we, we increased her revenue, you know, it's, I don't know. I mean, we, it was, it was doing 200 a week now it's doing 1400 a week. You know what I mean? Just in the, in the first insulin around a couple months on prove out. So it's a kinda killing it, you know, for brand new, it was a brand new, but I mean, it was, it needed, it was brand new to the, I don't know what you want to call it.
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Most of the users, most of the users, if they're only doing 200 a week and now it's seven times what it was.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's gone up quite, yeah. Quite a bit. So there, so that's exciting. And I started hot Ts, which like you said is hot. When I bought the domain, I was like, Oh, hot Ts. That's it. It's a really short domain. That's great. It's great. And then I bought it, it was one of the premium ones. I just spent like three grand on it. And then I'm like, Oh, hot. It just is hot. Well, whatever happened, fuck it. It's high. All just branding. It'll be branding. I'll just make a hotseat. So, so that's brand new and you know, people are loving it, but it's, you know, it's brand brand site. No one's ever even heard of it before. So that's gonna take a couple of years to really pick up, but Oh, something I'm doing different with that since only fans is changed the landscape of porn, kind of rolling with that and just put money out there for, you know, the top notch performers who are working, you know, top notch, trans performers doing actual sex scene, you know, with Anil cum shots and stuff.
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I'm buying non-exclusive rights to a lot of their scenes and moving them over to hot Ts. So it's, it's a win-win I would say, I mean, you know, they, they get a little extra money or maybe they, they live in LA, but they want to work with someone they've always wanted to work with someone who lives in New York, but they're like, it's only fans. I'm not going to fly across countries. It's crazy. So I find the travel, the hotel, make a person and then give them each a couple hundred bucks or whatever, you know what I mean? Cause they were going to do it anyway. There was a trade with someone that week, but now they're they're trading and I get non-exclusive rights to throw it on hot Ts. So for the end user, that means they don't have to join like 15 of their favorite porn stars, only fans and tip them all and do all that kind of stuff.
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I mean, I hope they do, but it's a little bit easier for an end-user who likes super firs of variety. Yeah.
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Well, it's going to help their only fans as well, because they're going to be more aware of them. They're going to go there and probably look at more scenes.
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Yeah. And I'm, I'm linking back with a banner. I mean, they get a banner on the, on hot Ts that links directly back to their only fans. And so it's as fair as I could make it. And so that that's my plan and put money away in case the only fans bubble pops. And there's gonna be a lot of performers with a lot of content and nothing to do with it. So I don't wish that on anybody. Cause that's my friends. Yeah.
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Quite frankly. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Yeah, no. Yeah. I D I don't, I don't, but everything goes up and down, you know what I mean? So eventually, eventually next five years, something's going to change again. And we're going to have a lot of performers looking for a new platform or new something, something. And for the end user of hot Ts, you know, having 400 new scenes or whatever, new to them. Wow. That's their favorite performers working with people that really, really wanted to work with. Cause it's the only fan strayed. I see that as being a good, good one. So that's playing on hot Ts and JP from canc jump. All the Pope is starting the Pope's bitches.com with perv out.
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Hopefully we're going to start shooting for that in about six weeks. So it's, you know, it'll be awhile, but that's going to be a Provet site. So we'll have some straight, straight ish. It might be some trans woman on there to a hardcore SNM like JP does. I mean, he's the best at that crazy SNM hanging someone upside down time to bowling ball around their neck and fucking with a tattoo till they come their brains out. I mean that he has like the top notch fuck machines that are like crazy engines behind them. They're not like the cheesy sex toy ones. I mean, it's like a Detroit diesel engine. I mean, basically it just, just fucks the brains out. So he's got all that and we want to do a site. So we're doing that.
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And what's the other one bad father.com that's coming soon. Probably. Yeah, I think so. It's going to be, it's going to be gay and I'm playing on the father of that every once a daddy, you know, so it's father in the sense of a priest and father in the sense of a daddy just doing some poor parenting and leadership and you know, you know,
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I can't imagine a priest doing that. I know. Right. But we're gonna, we're gonna, I'm going to gamble it and say
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It happens sometimes. And some people I think maybe so, so those ones I've done a lot of like Faucette stuff and I, it's just not my bag. I don't really like, I'm not against, I mean, I get it. It's it's, I don't really to kink shame anybody, but I just don't like being around it. It's just not my cup of tea. So, so that will, I want to find a director or maybe I'll outsource I'll maybe I'll have a mixed bag of three or four directors and just mix it up and outsource all the shoots, but I want to get good people who really want to make cool gay porn. And Nikki's very interested actually in doing that. She's very artistic and just has a good eye for making shit, not just pretty to look at like film wise, but hot, too good to jerk off to the same time, which are two separate things.
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And she doesn't both well, so yeah. So there's that and by fuck, still kind of moving along and I dunno, you know, just kinda growing the network, see what happened. We just, just revamped provider affiliates too. So now it's pretty, it was just a gnat's basic ass background. Now it's like a pretty affiliate program. So whatever that's worth,
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Definitely I'll definitely take a look. So let's talk about provide affiliates. What, what if you're talking to an affiliate, why should they join your program?
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Well, we have content that a lot of people don't like by content, if they have a way to convert a by market base, we we've got, there's only a few buy sites and I fuck is the only by site made by an actual bisexual myself and wait and I shoot bisexual people. I'm not, I'm not shooting people who are like, yeah, I guess we'll do that for the money. I mean, it's people who are like really into it and the way we shoot it's a marathon of bisexual sex. I mean, it's like 70 minutes of footage per shoot of anal footage. Not just like dialogue and shit, but I'm talking like, fuck it for like 70 minutes.
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So this is, I would call it like, you know, pretty dank porn. I mean, it's really hitting hard. And if they got, if they got a market, they could tap into the market. It, it converts well, the gay site man up films also converts insanely. Well, I mean, it's, it's, the traffic is like, if I was talking to you like about brokering and trying to sell it, the traffic would be the weak point. I'd be like, man. Yeah, it's kinda embarrassing. It doesn't get the most traffic, but it comes out of the money man on a body. Yeah. It's that? Holy shit. It makes a lot of money. So I'm, I'm paying out. I don't know, like two or 3000 a week to affiliates every other week, every other week, every 50 days, my payouts are around, you know, two or three grand and it's a relatively new affiliate program.
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So I think that's pretty impressive. There's a few in there that are, there's a guy on tumbler. He's not even a professional affiliate. He had a tumbler page and a big following. And don't, you know, these days tumblers, all sensor and shit. And he reached out and just said, Hey, I'm big fan. I post your stuff. I hope you don't mind on my tumbler. And I said, why don't you be an affiliate and try that. I didn't think he'd do it. And he did. And he's making 500 bucks every two weeks, you know? So it's converting, you know, packing pegging stuff. Now pegging is becoming more and more mainstream, but sweet phone job just has, I'd say second to sometime empire.
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It's probably got the most pegging videos with hot people in it and big dicks and not just, Oh, I can kind of see a little tiny trainer dildo going in and out. I mean, we're talking about like, and porn stars, a big followings. It's, it's a, it's a thing. So my friend runs feminine empire and that's, that's like the top. I mean, that's the one to be, I think in femdom. I mean, she's got the best one, but I, you know, sweet out. I was no a slouch. I mean, he'll just really bring it in. Yeah. Yeah. It's working out.
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I know, I know. I know. You'll get there. How, it seems like you really like, you know, you, you mentioned S your new site , it seems like you really like mentoring people and helping make them successful. And of course, that makes you successful.
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Well, I do. And it's, I mean, honestly, it's selfish. So like, my parents are happily retired still. So, you know, since I got married when for a million years ago and happy, they're good examples of happy people like that did well in life. And they both grew up poor and in different ways, you know, my mom's South Louisiana, swamp people, my dad's a Kansas farm farm guy, and they're both living large. And, but the thing is, it's not just like they did well and retired millionaires. That's, that's cool on its own, but you have so many friends and they, every weekend they're even with COVID, they're fucking maniacs.
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I mean, I worry about it, but they're there constantly. Oh, so-and-so is over. Or we're going to Arkansas to see this person or that bird. I mean, it's, it's like, guys, you need to stay. Oh. But the point is they retired was so many friends that also did well because they had this error. My dad is always helping people. My mom's always helping people and I'm busy bees, both of them. And that's cool. That's what I want. I don't want to end up. Yeah. I don't want to end up like 70 with no friends, like trying to make new friends in some retirement community. Like hopefully a nice one, like a country club or something. But like, I mean, it's, I don't want to be like the only, and also the only guy that's been a sex worker, his whole life, like, I kind of, it'd be lonely as fuck.
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Hey, maybe, maybe we should, maybe we should start in an old age home for, for retired sex workers.
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I buy, I'm going to need it for sure. I know some other people will, but I I'm like, I just, I just admire this so much about my parents. They, they have so many friends and I think that's priceless and you don't just randomly, it's not luck. I think that's cause they, they, they ha they got a lot of help and they helped a lot of people. And along the way, they built real jobs
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Right. By people. Yeah. Yeah.
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So that's key. So right now, when I see all my friends at different levels in the game making maybe 2000 bucks on their own on only fans, or maybe they get four or five paid bookings to the people who were making 50 grand a month on only fans in there and they can get, get booked all they want. And they're, they're just killing it. The different, like you can get from the first one to the second one within reason. I mean, most people can get pretty close to that with a little bit of help and a lot of effort. And I don't know, I just, I just want to end up with a bunch of people who've rich too, and did well, you know, so that's kind of the thing
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That's awesome. Now, how does the influence of only fans and sites, like only fans on the industry affect standalone pay sites? Like what you have?
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So it's a, it kind of like, it was with hat, like I'm saying what hot tea. Yes. I think there's no fighting it. Don't, I mean, it's, it's where the market is. So it is what it is no complaining about it. Like people I've found on set sometimes will say, God, these models don't even show up anymore. It's so hard to book them. Cause they're all rich on only fans fuck us. And I'm like, well, good for them. That's cool. We should be happy for them. And we should work with them and do things like ask them to supplement our content, you know, like bolster our ranks and our updates with their at home stuff and, you know, work alongside each other, the ones who are interested, help them make their own pay sites, not just an only fans.
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Cause it's good to have a backup plan, you know? And you know, only fans marketing is essentially Instagram and Twitter. That's, that's it? I mean, unless you got some other special thing going on, nobody does, you know, and, and if you're doesn't matter how awesome you are, like even Assa, Kira loses her Instagram once a year, but it just gets deleted because she's important. So it doesn't matter how verified or awesome you're doing, you're at risk. So I, you know, helping some of these people get their own standalone pay site that can't get shut down that relies on affiliates and traffic trades and email blast to get us traffic and not just their social media, I think is helpful.
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Right. So we're all still connected is cool. And, but it also means we got to shoot content that people are interested in doing the days of, Hey, I'm paying a thousand bucks show up and then they show up like, well, fuck, I need a booking. I got it. Okay. What are we doing? Well, you're doing this, eat that shit. And I hate that shit could be, we're fucking in a kitchen, on a granite counter. That's really high up and it's uncomfortable or like a school desk, which are like the worst to fuck on because they're wobbly and tiny or we're doing some kind of rough anal that like you do, but you don't really like, you know, stuff like that.
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Now it's on us booking people, director, producer, people to say, well, who can I, I need, I need this content. This is what I want to shoot. Who wants to do it? Cause they're not going to do it if they don't want to do it. Cause they're making only fans. They're going to say, Whoa, who I work at with, what am I doing? Where's it at? How long is it gonna take? I mean, these are the new questions we weren't good at, but that, I think that makes better content, you know?
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Have you ever thought of doing stand-up by the way,
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Man? I wish I I'm very, I'm convinced. I would. I always want to do is sketch comedy. I love that show the state when I was a kid, it was like on a TV, like Canadian sketch comedy. The Saturday night live like all the, all the sketch
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You could totally do. You could totally do stand up and just use the material about the industry. And I think people would eat it up. Obviously not every, not every person is going to be comfortable with it, but God look how good Sam Kinison did. You know? And he, and he was pretty unclean. I've sent some of the more uncleaned performers do really well. Not, not to give you a new advocation, but it's, it's something to think about.
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Oh no, I appreciate you saying that. I'm pretty convinced. I'm like almost funny enough to go pro like that. So it's a good thing naturally towards a good fit because I can make, if I feel like, Oh, this will be cute and funny, I put it in a form and then if it bombs and it's not funny who cares, they they're there for the porn.
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Yeah. You should give it some thought. I'd love to see you do stand up, but I'm waiting for the HBO special anyway. So you're on the board of the free speech coalition. Maybe you can give me an update on what's going on with the past system.
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Sure. So currently testing and porn is it come down to talent testing. They did a great job of winning that game. And so they, and they also separated themselves from the past system or last year. So, so pass has become less relevant than ever. And that's, I mean, generally pretty, pretty good job. Like I use it it's I trust it. But the issue is it's a for-profit company, you know, it's owned by one guy and it seems like a good guy.
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Sixto I've talked to him, but he's one human man. And if he retires or God forbid get sick or can't work or what, you know, or just shit happens, you know, that whole system that we entirely rely on in order to make porn safely could go away or it could also be corrupt and not, I'm not suggesting that he's corruptible, but he's wanting human. And if it came down to, well, she had someone got HIV on set, but if we call a moratorium, we're going to lose money because no one's going to test for two weeks. Maybe we just don't call them auditorium.
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You know what I mean? Like that's scary. So that's why we needed the past system, which is run by our trade association and it's not for profit. And it's a mix of talent testing and cutting edge testing, all the other tests, you know? So we need that back, forth and up and going so long story short, what we had to do is six dos said, he'll work with fast again, if we, if we break it off, break, pass off from the FSC and say, okay, it's its own separate nonprofit. And he wants to be a part of it, like, you know, once a vote and all that kinda shit.
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So we did that. So now the Fs FSC has split up into three groups. So now it's the past system. It's the, what the FSC was before, like the general trade association. And it's also the pleasure products like sex toys and stuff. That's was a part of the whole FSC. Now that's its own separate part. And yeah, so we split it up and me and three other people, two other people are officially like the board for pass. I'm a secretary. Technically. However, it, we have a weekly meeting that's actually like eight or nine people, you know, there's the board that operates.
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And then there's like what? What's on the legal paperwork. And, and so the board that operates as a bigger group and then there's a representative from APAC and there's, it's more of a mixed bag. We have some, you know, PhD candidates who are just like health people, which we need on that kind of a thing. And, and so the it's, it's cool and it's exciting. And we're working on an app that'll come out for pass. That will be super slick. So you just go on her phone log in. I need you to test anywhere in the country. Okay, cool. Here it is. And then you go work with someone and you're like, Hey, pull up your app and you see your test. And then you decide what a, when I show someone my app, what does it show?
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Does it show my legal name and my stage name? Does it show all my results ever? Or just the ones they need to see? And it's, you know, it's fucking cool. Yeah. Just it, you know, it's an absence in development. So the plan is get six door to come back or build a competing talent testing. Like basically a knock knock off dental testing and build a competing business, which we wouldn't do. But big companies who are interested in that would do that. And that's
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Maybe, Oh, the key, the key is to make sure you've got the, you know, got the safest environment to shoot in. I could see, I could see a, I could see an app like that being established very soon for a COVID tests as well. Count on it.
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Surprise. No one did that yet. Yep. Yep. So, so all that's all that's like on officially where we're at, there's more details, but you know, it's a moment of board and I signed an NDA, but that's, you know, that's just, that's the gist of it. We're in the works and the system don't give up on passes. What I tell people is it's a lot, people have written it off, like whatever. And, and like I said, I use it too. It's cool, man. I in six days has been nice to me. Every time I talked to him, he should, I'm not hating on him at all. Just, it's not the way you're supposed to do something like that in any industry that has a health thing, part of it you're supposed to the trade association or someone like that is supposed to oversee it.
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Interesting. It sounds like changes are in the often, Oh, it's all the same. Just we're working on it. Yeah. I'm sure there will be an announcement when the time comes. So what's the latest with FSC in LA.
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So we're, if you're concerned about what happens on Capitol Hill and sex work and porn, the thing too, I didn't know. The thing that most people don't know is the only entity. Like if you think about APAC, APEC, BiPAP, FSC, all the things you know, that people kind of go to for help pineapple sport, all those things, FSCS, the only trade association, it's the only five Oh one, whatever like legal entity that is allowed legally to hire lobbyists on behalf of our trade. So that's how that works.
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So we're what we did. FSC put together a legislative committee, which is me and a bunch of other people, including, you know, a lot of Evans may PAG and Tim Woodman from APAC and we're growing it. We're, we're looking for a BiPAP person and just get rounding up the troops and FSE had California state lobbyists in place, but we've our contract with them is up and it's time to find federal lobbyists. Cause that whole associate thing was pretty scary. Thank God doesn't fizzled big time, but who's to say, what's next.
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So we need a pro in Capitol Hill, who's representing us or a team of pros that not only helps us fight stuff that we bring up that sort of reactive. We want someone in there proactively fighting for our industry. Meaning the things that we take for granted how shitty they are. Like if you're a sex worker, you can't really open a bank account and America like you, you, if they say, what do you do for, can you say a webcam? They say, Ooh, we can't take your money. Jesus great. And you're like, it's legal. Why not? They legally can say, fuck you. So, and they do a hundred percent of them will say, there's a moratorium currently on any kind of sex worker, opening a bank account in America, not possible.
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You gotta lie. So that stuff, we want to fight that. And you know, involvement in the industry
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And evolvement in the industry. I'm a website broker. And if I tell them what I do, they, they say, Oh no, no, no.
3 (32m 47s):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's, and that's bullshit. That's gotta, there's gotta be a law in place that says, Hey, you can't discriminate against legal citizens. Like they're not doing anything wrong. Why, why, why can't they have a bank account? What they can vote? Like what we're not talking about. Like ex cons and shit. I mean sometimes, but you know, but it's, it's like, what? So it's crazy so that we need someone in place. And then also of course, when new bills come up that say, Hey, every sex worker needs to register like a mute and X-Men or something. You know what I mean? Like, like what almost happened?
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We need someone fighting that. So the deal is it costs about 10 grand a month to have a really bad ass lobbying firm fighting for you, which is not bad. Right. And if you think about it, so the, the first, I mean, obviously mine, geek and gamma are very supportive of the FSC.
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I was going to say, mine Gates should be bankrolling at themselves considering what's going on. Yeah.
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And they, God, they knew God wants them there. I mean, you know, they're, they're going through the ringer and they're fighting. People are here.
2 (34m 3s):
The whole thing, that thing in Canada, my God. Yeah.
3 (34m 6s):
Yeah. It's if they're getting it bad, it's tough. So they, but what we, what I wanted, what a lot of us that FSC wanted was not to have mind geek fund that 10 K a month themselves because it's kind of shitty. Right? Cause then the biggest scariest porn company gets a say on what the lobbyists is. Cause they paid it. They paid the bill. That's crazy. That's not what we want. So Mary Moody is, is helped out, but she's a bad-ass cam girl, lady, and she's also pretty much an advocate all around. And she's helping on the legislative committee and Erin and I are kind of, our role is to, as soon as we pick a lobbyist and figure out what the bill is, start raising money from the performers.
3 (34m 53s):
So, and it all goes back to the only fans thing these days, we're, we're not trying the, the sex worker that's survival, that's surviving and making two grand a month, just barely and trying to get diapers for their kid. We don't want their money. Right. We don't want to bug them, but there are a significant amount of sex workers who are making, you know, 250,000 a year or 500,000 a year, a million a year. Now that's not, that's not, that's not even crazy. Make over a million a year on only fans. We want them to step up and say, Hey, yeah, I need to fight for the rights of my people and you know, a thousand a month.
3 (35m 37s):
Well, they should have industry. Yeah. They still want to keep making that money. Yeah. I mean, some, some law could come up that kills only fans. That could be the end of it. Right. So all it takes is some congressman's cousin or nephew to be on only fans and they get embarrassed and they're like, ah, they're just like what happened with the what's it the, the, it sounds like a fucking shitty glam rock band. The, the group that hates porn.
2 (36m 4s):
Oh yeah. In COSC. Yeah.
3 (36m 8s):
It's the OSC. Now that there's something, something it's, it's a terrible name, but they they're the ones that were fighting porn the whole time.
2 (36m 18s):
Oh yeah. And that, that, that they probably put Christophe up to writing that article for the New York times. When I saw that article, I went, Oh fuck, here we go.
3 (36m 28s):
The story behind all that was somebody had someone in power, had a, a family member who was under age and their video ended up on PornHub. And that's the story. Right? And they were super embarrassed because they're a person of power and it was super embarrassing. It was bad. And of course, it's true that you shouldn't have any because that's a terrible thing to have. That's just agreeable to everybody. That's not fucking happen. And they, but instead of just emailing PornHub at TMCA or doing whatever, you're the shit that works to get the video down immediately. They went rage crazy and just talk shit about porno, but we needed to take the whole fucking site down.
3 (37m 12s):
And then they found other people who the same thing happened to them who also just needed a little help. Like, Oh, if your video's on there and you don't want it there, you click here and send this email, it'll be gone.
2 (37m 23s):
Contact us. Yes. And this is deep sea. Yeah,
3 (37m 26s):
It is. So I can I get my stolen content down quick? Like within an hour all the time. It's like, shit works, man. It is like, not that hard, but they don't know that, you know, they don't, they don't know. So
2 (37m 37s):
Yeah. Well that's right. So all that. Well then you've got to talk about intention and how much it is, how much of it is politically motivated and religiously motivated and all of that. And I, I have trouble believing that it wasn't all of the above.
3 (37m 53s):
Oh, I'm sure. It's yeah. If you just want to get votes and you say, I want to fight sex trafficking, who's going to
2 (38m 0s):
Foster says, Oh, what a, what a, what a clusterfuck.
3 (38m 6s):
Yeah. Meanwhile, I've, I've been in a sexual professional for over a decade. And I can't think of one time I've even heard of anyone who was sex trafficked,
2 (38m 18s):
Not on our side of the business. That's only, it's only the criminal side and yes, they should. They should deal with criminals. And anybody who's involved in sex trafficking should be, should go up of, of anyone let alone, under age. People should go to prison for very long periods of time. We all agree on that. Yeah. Everybody
3 (38m 36s):
Agrees. It's it's just, so anyway, we need pro us, me and Mary Moody, and you going on Twitter ranting about this and adding congressmen does nothing. Right. And those group texts things where like, Oh, text this number and it will automatically send an email to your congressmen locally that says this, that shit does nothing. It does just as much as someone sending me a Dick pic asking me to book them, it's literally like,
2 (39m 8s):
3 (39m 9s):
Well, you know, it just, it hits my inbox. I, I see it skip over. I move on to the next thing. Cause I don't have time to be alert. Oh, let me learn more about this Dick pic. And you know, w what's this and I'm like, no, I don't have time for that shit. Senators, congressmen don't have time for that shit. There's some staff member. Yeah. Just Mark it as red moves on. So we need a lobbyist in there. Who's professionally connected to these people who goes golfing with them and goes on. Every vacant. My dad actually is a lot, was a lobbyist till I retired. My brother is a lobbyist. He owns a lobbying firm that the people they go on vacation with and they hang out with their friends are the people that need to be talked to. So that's how it works. You get, you pay those people. So, so we need about 10 K a month is what it looks like.
3 (39m 52s):
And, and, and the truth is if performers don't kick up the money, mind geek will, but that's not what, man. We don't want them calling the shot. Cause they're going to do, it's no hating on my geek, but they're going to do what's best for them. We want every voice in the industry of all types represented,
2 (40m 13s):
Whatever money everybody puts in, you know, it could be a small amount of money would you know? Yeah.
3 (40m 23s):
It's really, I can think of, I can, I can think of 50 people who could cover it on their own, who are just performers. Yeah, totally. Just performers, not accompany. Right. And so it's, that's what we are going for and it will get there. It said they were trying to do the same shit with panel to support unrelated, just it's it's you can't be mad at patentable sport. They do such a good job. And that is currently funded by like, like I'm a bronze sponsor, but whatever. There's two levels above that. And they're all really, really big poor companies.
2 (40m 58s):
We are too. We are too, by the way.
3 (41m 1s):
Oh, cool. Good for you. That's awesome. Yeah. And that good for you. And that's what we need more of is people like us telling other people on our level and below financially where we can say, Hey, you're doing pretty well. Like you're kind of killing it. You know, he just bought a new car, got a new house. Do you think you can afford like 500 bucks throwing that at sport? Yeah. Sounds like a lot. But compared to like, how much did you spend on Amazon last night before you went to bed? And do you remember what you bought? No. You know, like
2 (41m 29s):
Funny, funny story, funny story. I get a lot of things sent to the States and my friend sends a big box every once in awhile and half the stuff I look at it and I go, Oh shit. I did order that. Didn't I,
3 (41m 40s):
Oh man. All the time we, yeah, we burn cardboard at our house cause we don't have a, I wish we could recycle. We just, no one comes and picks it up and long story. It just doesn't work here. So I know it's not like it's like bad for the environment, but we're I'm word Vegas and fuck it. So I, sorry. Yeah. So we just got a fire pit in the backyard and if it weren't for that, we would have a garage full of cardboard boxes everyday. I mean, it's crazy how much shit will
2 (42m 9s):
And they're all and they're always too big with too much padding. So you mentioned a pineapple support and then that leads into my next question. What does that sponsorship mean to you and why make that investment?
3 (42m 25s):
Well, it's like I said, I just kind of want to, not that I'm like think of it. I'm not a leader at all. I suck at leading people, but I, if I can do it, I think maybe, hopefully it doesn't other people might say shit, my aunt's is a fucking bronze sponsor. Gamma is a proud sponsor. I mean the there's five gamma entities that are all Brown sponsors. So really that's like funny, but you know, maybe like people start taking some responsibility for industry and just saying, Hey, well shit, Lance can do it. Maybe I could put in bronze sponsors like 10, 10 K a year. I think so that's less than a thousand a month, you know? And the, the level that people are making money these days, Holy shit, dude, come on for only 500 a month or 2000 a month.
3 (43m 12s):
Like it are. If you look at Twitter for five seconds, you can see our industry is in a desperate need for mental health help. That'd be, we're like it every day. You can't scroll get, do one flick on her phone through, through the main porn, Twitter feed without seeing somebody melting down or having some kind of an issue that, and you know, myself too, I've had mental health issues. My up until first half of my life, I was so fucked up in the head guy, all kinds of fucking official disorders labeled on me. I mean, just as bad as
2 (43m 47s):
Everyday join the club. Oh yeah.
3 (43m 50s):
Yeah. I mean it was, I thought it was going to have to be on these pills for the rest of my life. And it was any psychotic, suck, kill your sex, drive your bipolar. But you know, it's funny. They didn't give me that one day I was a schizophrenia BPD add epilepsy, which isn't really a mental disorder, but I have like outrageous staff seizures and it stops and shit and just weird depression and anxiety, like whatever, you know? But I, I had a work crew it's it's like a grind two years of work, just maintenance, just doing mental health tasks with help from good people.
3 (44m 30s):
And, and it's doable, man, any, I mean different level, like, yeah, I'm still a little nuts and different people are going to get certain levels better. But if
2 (44m 39s):
You're good nuts,
3 (44m 41s):
I feel like, you know, a very passable is saying, I think like I hide it very well. I'm like, you know, people don't know fucking crazy. My wife knows because she hears we live together. So she's like,
2 (44m 53s):
Sounds like, sounds like, yeah, it sounds like my wife and I, yeah.
3 (44m 59s):
Like, Oh, maybe you should sing more in the shower. And I'm like, I wasn't sick. I was having a conversation with someone in the third grade. Like, like I was talking, it was, I need to finish that conversation by the way, we need to keep talking to them.
2 (45m 11s):
That's good. They do the schizophrenia schizophrenia, several loan. Keep that in mind.
3 (45m 15s):
Yeah. Yeah. We're never loved. Yeah. It's I'm always, yeah. So, but a TA I'm talking to someone from the future right now, baby. I need to finish this. You know, that's, it's crazy, but, but very passable, but that I just, I had man, we, it w it pineapple sport is they did such a good job of like, Holy shit, here's a solution. You know, we'll round up all the good tracks in the world. We'll get it to work at a discount. We'll subsidize it. We'll connect you to them. If you don't like the one you're working with Skype with a different one until you find one you like, and then start the work, get, get the work done. That's awesome. So we need to throw money at them cause they're there. And they, the truth is people don't know, they're not, they need money.
3 (45m 58s):
They're actually not.
2 (45m 59s):
That's why we sponsored. That's why we sponsored. Yeah. You're doing a contest for them. Right.
3 (46m 5s):
So we're doing, and they're not getting money from this one, but it's more to just get awareness going. The deal is I'm just on the hook for a MacBook pro. I got to buy someone like a $2,000 MacBook pro. So that's like my contribution and two trophies. So I went back on the trophies. I got like the whatever society awards, when the ones like the Grammy's are made of, you know, so I got some nice fucking nice trophy. So, so anybody, any sex worker makes a zoom call, recorded zoom call with another sex worker and teaches them something of value, like how to film better, how to light better. Do your makeup better budget, better build for retirement, better book clients together.
3 (46m 48s):
Like I tell people be real like, Hey, we're all hookers. Like, how do you screen your clients? Like how do you do that safely? You know, like literally anything. And if that's the best video of, you know, their pairs, so the best video wins and the newer person that got taught something gets a laptop and they both get a shiny trophy. And I figured if you're like a veteran performer who's rich and doing well, you kind of just want a trophy at this point, you can buy your own fucking laptop, you know, to be, but if you're new, a laptop can be a game changer. You know, there's a lot of people starting out on sex, work on these platforms and this and that.
3 (47m 28s):
And all they have is the phone. Yeah. And thank God they've got a phone and that's super cool. You can record on your phone, but when you can start monkeying around with spreadsheets and hard drives and saving content and all that, I mean, you just really, your game goes up quite a bit. Absolutely paperwork model releases, all that. Like you just, you need a fucking computer. And a lot of people don't have, you know, they go buy a $400 piece of shit at best buy and it gets a buy, but they can't render on it because it's too small or breaks. So, you know? Yeah. So they need like, you know, the big daddy Mac book that you can get it done with the new Mac book. I mean, it's not, it's not a super computer, but you can, you can fucking render 4k on it.
3 (48m 9s):
So it'll work. So that's the plan.
1 (48m 13s):
What are your plans in the near future as far as growing?
3 (48m 18s):
Well, those sites Madden, you know, bad fathers GP site, I want to get diked down. W want to shoot a couple of features, have Nikki shoot, a couple of features that are kind of, you know, DVDs and all that kinda shit grow at Ts. Just grow it out, get the affiliate network even more pent out. I mean, I got to, I hired a great guy. He used to work at gamma for a long time and he's helping me run it and he's fucking awesome. So we're, you know, we're leveling it up. That is, I mean, you know, right now I think if I sold my two years gross would be a million and a half or something like that. So I want to get that number to, you know, 10 or 20.
3 (49m 0s):
That'd be cool. You know, so yeah,
1 (49m 2s):
We're ready. Okay. We're ready when you are my friend.
3 (49m 5s):
Well, good. Well good. And hopefully there's still someone to buy it at that point, but you know, that's, that's, the goal is grow it out and, or keep it forever and just let it hire a good staff, people that run themselves. So right now I'm just kind of collecting people that used to work at gamma or mind geek who know the back end shit, you know, traffic and advertising and marketing, people know all that math and all that stuff and good directors and looking for good. And when I say good director, I don't mean, Oh, you want to know a bunch of awards. I mean like, no, you treat performers well and you manage the money well, and you can run a shoot and nobody gets hurt and everybody's happy.
3 (49m 47s):
And you know, I, I'm not looking to necessarily bring people on as like full-time Provet directors, but I want to send them regular shoots like monthly, Hey, can you do these four scenes for me, this Mark? And just cause there's, there's people out there who do that kind of journeyman directors, a journey, woman, journey, people. I don't know how you say that. Right. They do, you know, they worked for a bunch of companies, so I'm just kind of collect those and, and getting I'd like to get it right now. It's I can do everything I need to do for prove out and about three days in a month then, and just kind of touch it every day. Every other, I like to get it to work.
3 (50m 29s):
I have a CEO that runs it for me. That'd be great. But for now I'm still working on it. You know what I mean? So
1 (50m 36s):
That's, that sounds good. Now, are you still performing much?
3 (50m 39s):
Yeah. I mean, I'm like jumping in the ones I want to be in lately. I'm just such a bottom is a thing I'm like really just want to get fucked in the butt. And I'm like super savvy lately, which everything goes in phases like a year ago. It was like, I don't really want to get fucked up, but now I'm like stepping on my balls, put me a chance to do fuck me in the ass. Humiliated me. This is great. So I'm doing like sweet femdom. I'm jumping in a lot of scenes because that's, what's because I want to, and I can do it well, you know what I mean? And then by fuck jumping in some of those scenes, but, and then I'm doing like Casey Calvert has been a less cinema thing or like a big, big feature. So I'm trying to just, maybe this year, just do a handful of things, just exposure wise.
3 (51m 23s):
And cause I like Casey felt like being around her, which is great or a brand or just, they're cool to be around and kind of people like if I spend two days with them, I'll I'll learn something for sure. And so I'm taking those gigs, but for the most part, not really. I mean only fans. Yeah. Everybody. I even jumped on the Olympian shit. So now I got Opry, Kate and I are gonna fuck tomorrow in a hotel, but that's like, I don't even call that performing really. That's just like meeting up with friends and fucking and filming it. You know? Sounds like, sounds like fun. Yeah. It's a hoot.
1 (52m 1s):
Well, Hey Lance, I'd like to thank you for being our guest again today on adult site broker tuck, and I hope we'll get a chance to do part three of our ongoing conversation really
3 (52m 12s):
1 (52m 14s):
Broker tip today is part six of how to buy an adult website. Last week, we talked about the sales agreement. So now both you and the seller have signed the agreement. What comes next? There needs to be an escrow setup where you send the money, whether it be a one-time payment or a deposit. If you're going to be making payments, payments are done about half the time. These days, the seller for their part puts the assets of the sale into escrow, namely the domains being sold and any other tangible assets that can be put into escrow. Your attorney can give you more information on that. We recommend escrow domains for us grows. There are from out of Washington DC and know they're not paying me to say this.
1 (52m 55s):
I just use them, trust them. And I'm delighted by the work they've done for us. Either an escrow agreement will be drawn up by them in the case of a customer escrow, or if it's a simple one, it can be set up on their website. Then you, the buyer, the seller and the broker will be contacted by escrow domains with further instructions, such as wiring information, the escrow is opened and either the deal closes within a matter of a few days or an inspection period is allowed. It all depends on what the agreement calls for, whether you need an inspection period really depends on whether there is still some information you need to find out prior to the deal, closing your broker and your attorney can advise you more on this.
1 (53m 38s):
And it's on a case by case basis. Then the money is transferred as are the domains and the deal is closed. Now in many cases, in fact, most of the time, the seller either stays on board for a period of time to help with the transition, or is at least available on an on-call basis to answer questions. This is something most buyers should ask for, but at this point you pretty much own the website. What do you do now? We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be talking to adult star and author Carlin Juul.
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And that's it on this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank our guest Lance Hart. Talk to you next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.