Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 41 with Robert Warren of 2much.net

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This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk, where every week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry, and we discuss what's going on in our business. Plus we give you a tip on buying and selling websites this week. This week we'll be talking with adult industry veteran, Robert Warren. First of all, today let's cover what's going on in our industry.

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My guest today on adult side, broker talk is Robert Warren, the chief program director of my cam match. Robert, thanks for being with us today on adult side, broker talk. No, my pleasure. My pleasure indeed. Now Robert is a 28 year veteran or the adult industry he's been providing long time professionalism and service as a mentor and moderator on some highly respected webmaster boards. He's also has a long and varied resume in our space. Robert has also spoken at a variety of seminars throughout the years. Written numerous articles appeared on radio programs and has had many articles written about him. Robert AKA, the legacy has from the beginning mentor to variety of people, both industry reps, or companies who are just starting out.

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They've contacted Robert for guidance and information to assist them along the way to success. Many owners and successful individuals today. Ow, many of their achievements to Robert. And I got to say that Robert was one of the most helpful people to me when I first start got first started in this business.

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Easy for me to say my, my pleasure, bro. Easy for me to say at this hour now, Robert, how did you choose the legacy as a nickname?

3 (6m 8s):
Well, first off, thank you very much for the introduction. I mean, God, I feel old

2 (6m 16s):
Aren't we both

3 (6m 18s):
It's like listening to my obituary right now. Well, I am turning 60 next month and Oh my God. Yeah, I know. Hey, I got three on, I got three on your bro. You really cool. So, but during my, my time prior to the adult industry, I actually was in the seminary for about seven years and I'm about a half year away from my masters still. And so I was in my mid twenties. And what happened back then is I had a really wicked and sharp, sarcastic tone about me even I can imagine in seminary how that went over, but I remember sitting down at a lunch table and there was this girl there.

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I still remember to this day, her name, I won't say it. Come on. Well, our first name was Anne. So while we were there, I was using my repertoire and just cutting her up like crazy. And everybody was laughing and everything. And then after lunch, I was heading for my first class and I got there early and she was sitting in the classroom and she was just bawling her eyes out. And I remember I sat down beside her and I was like, what's, what's what's wrong. And she finally admitted that what I said to her really hit hard and, and it hurt her.

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And just the visual image that my words could do that to somebody really struck home. And I swore from that moment on that, I would use my words to build up into help and to, and to make somebody, you know, th that when people leave me that they're better than when they first came to me and that I would want to leave a legacy of that to people. So when I started on why not a board? I don't know if I can say that when I started back then somebody said, you know, well, you've got to create a catchy name. And so that immediately came to my mind that when I get into this industry and when I start, I want to be able to help people.

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I want to be able to build up and use my words to make their lives better. So I want to leave a legacy of positiveness and, and wisdom to other people if I can give that. So that's where I came up with the legacy. Cool.

2 (8m 58s):
Now you mentioned you're soon going to be 60 so young, and that means you've been in the adult industry almost half your life. Doesn't feel like it

3 (9m 10s):
Is it,

2 (9m 11s):
Is it true that before entering the adult industry, you mentioned seminary, you were a pastor and a gospel singer, so you took it to the max there. So, so what I mean, what, what caused the transformation?

3 (9m 25s):
The actual moment of transformation is when I was actually preaching one day and I looked over and I, in my mind, I said, who the hell am I to be talking to these people? You know, like I've never lived a life that I would consider that I could even give any wisdom or whatever.

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Hey, Robert is Robert. It doesn't stop shelling Coles in the States.

3 (9m 48s):
Yeah. And, and also there's something else that was inside me that saying you're meant for something different than this. So I left, as I said, a half year away from my masters and I left and I started quite honestly, I started working and I created an advertising firm in Toronto called in your face media, which then kind of moved towards creating adult stuff. And then I started working with Python. Yeah.

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And went back then even, they were like, you know, this is what you did, but what I, well, what this, if anything has taught me is that, especially in this industry is that you need is, is I treat people with respect and with kindness to everybody. And I look at it this way and I said this to many people, you know, it's like, I don't see anybody is any better than me or worse than me. And if you think that you're better, I'm going to knock you down. If you think you're worse, I'm going to pull you up and help you. Nice. And if you think that we're the same, then you and I are going to be friends and I've kind of done that.

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And it's going to help me to be the person I am. I mean, after this many years, and I think I'm pretty much one of the longest, yeah, I've never done a poll, but after all these years, I can't really think of anybody that I would say is my enemy.

2 (11m 25s):
You're one of, you're one of the longest, that's still alive.

3 (11m 30s):
Well, let's stop push that thought, but I even as a set, but after all these years, I don't have any enemies. And that's something to be said, especially in this industry, because when you're on webmaster boards as well, there's always fighting and bickering and problems and things like that. And, and I tried to lead with, you know, just helping people out and growing and being an example of, of, of what people should be. And I, and I don't just think of business. I think about people too, this industry, people say, you know, a Hocking, you work in it for so long.

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And it's like, the question really is, is how can you be with your family for this long, you know, because these people are my family. And I feel it when somebody leaves. And I feel that when somebody dies in this family and you know that as well, I feel people's pain and, and I feel their success as well. And I'm, I'm so thankful that I've been at least able to help people become better at their jobs and give them any type of assistance whatsoever, because it just, it helps the whole industry grow to be, to be better when you have good people.

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They're not, not just your people that go down to the trade shows and get drunk and do whatever stuff they shouldn't do, but to have some type of a, of a good reputation and, and do business. Right. And I think that's kind of what helps, what helped me is just develop that type of character.

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No, you're a family man with a wife and five kids. Wow. Wow. Now, how do you balance your home life with working in the adult industry? And does your family know what you do? They must by now? Not everybody. I mean,

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My, my dad won. I mean, he was, he passed away a little over a year ago and I remember telling him a while back, and this is a very deep spiritual religious man Baptist. And he just kinda looked at me and it was more like, well, you don't actually produce or are in any of the stuff, are you? And I was like, are you kidding me? Look at me. And I said, I'm on the executive level. I'm, you know, I help make the decisions. I do the marketing and all that stuff. And he was like, okay. So, you know, you're not really part of it. And he goes, I guess it's kind of like just going into a seven 11 or grocery store and there's magazines on the shelf doesn't mean that the guy behind the counter and the cashier is a porn, you know, a bird or something like that.

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It was just, he was, he was justifying it to himself. Robert.

3 (14m 36s):
Yeah, that's probably true. But I got to at least admit that he took it well and he was supportive and, you know, we never really talked much about it back after that. Obviously my wife know, my kids know all they know, you know, cause they're too young. And so they just know that dad's on the computer and he knows how to do stuff. And it scares the crap out of them because I know more than them on the computer and it should be the other way around. Yeah. Yeah. So my son, especially, he's like, you know, how did you find that out about me? Or, you know, I'll, I'll pull something out or also, you know, I type into Dawson.

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I figured out the pro. And so I send him a message on his computer. I was like, how the hell did you do that? So stick with me kid. Yeah. But as I said, people do know about it. I'm not ashamed of it. I mean, I'm not ashamed of my family and its product, like any other. And you know, if you're not proud of what you do, then you're ashamed. And if you're ashamed, why yeah. You know, you don't want people like that around you. I mean, if they're constantly looking at you negatively, then why bother you're life is too short to be having, you know, being, being scared of what other people think about you be yourself.

3 (15m 59s):
And if people can't handle the truth and they shouldn't really be your friends and

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It's a wonderful industry, as you said, the people are wonderful. I say the same thing. It's my family, the events are like family reunions. So yeah. Yeah. If you, if you can't like this industry, I don't know if you can like an industry now you were around in the early days of our industry, you must have some wild convention war stories from the past. I'd love to hear.

3 (16m 29s):
Well, I started in the early nineties and I remember, and I just told you this a short time ago and I was being interviewed on CPC in Canada. And they asked me a similar question. And I could tell that the audience, which was actually, there's a percentage of them that was in the adult industry, from Canada, listening in and you know, people love to hear stories that are going on. And so I remember telling them right off the bat, I said, you know, imagine going to Vegas and you see, you know, and you're, you're a tourist and you see all the wonderful flashing and blinking lights and the light shows going on and the whole thing, and everybody's going it was like, the good announcer was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I said, okay, so you've got all of these tourists running around, snapping pictures of the lights and the trade and all that stuff going on said, now imagine you're the poor bastardize to go around and change all the light bulbs. That's me. There comes a point in time when you don't even want to see another light bulb mush. Let's talk about a light bulb.

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I'm so over I'm so over Vegas.

3 (17m 43s):
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, there was, there was a time I remember a long time ago and is still, is about, on some of the boards where there was a cam company that wanted to expand. And I told them, I said, if you just let me do what I have to do, I'll guarantee you in three months that everybody will talk about you. So I found a guy that was the most hated on the boards. And I offered for him to come up to Toronto and we found Landy Barbie, who's working with vivid, absolutely stunning girl. And we told them, it's like, you get here, we'll dress you up.

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And you can basically fucker. And if you can do the money shot, then there you go. And I'll set you up with in the, in, in an actual movie. But if you can't, then she's going to take a strap on and fuck you up the ass. Oh my God. And that's the deal.

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I have a, I have a feeling, I have a feeling, I know how this came out.

3 (18m 49s):
You got it. Yeah. You know exactly where this is going. Well, sure enough. He got up there and couldn't do it. I even had five girls around him, you know, for motivation. And I mean, does, if Lonnie Barbie wasn't enough and sure enough, he couldn't do it. And prior to that, I had him on radio shows and all that stuff. He was talking to Ron, Jeremy and Jenna Jameson, and all these people I had arranged with, with some people to do that. And we were giving them advice and the whole thing built a write up the owners. They were like, you know, no matter where they went from the airport to Vegas, that's all that they talked about was the show.

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And he couldn't get it up and years after that, you know, he still blames me for setting him up for it. Okay. I got to know who this is, what his name? Laurence Connor. I remember that name. Yeah. Yeah. You would. Because that's what I mean. And that, that happened probably about 15, 17 years ago. And you still remember the name?

2 (19m 53s):
I thought it might be. I thought it might be bad dog or something.

3 (19m 59s):
Yeah. He's a great man.

2 (20m 1s):
That makes one of us. But anyway, go ahead.

3 (20m 5s):
The actual memory I have is I was personally invited to go to the Playboy manager when I was out in LA. I didn't have a ticket. And I remember the one that people came out to you and said, it wouldn't be the same if you weren't there. So I got there and it was, it was wonderful there, Martina Warren, who's an absolutely stunning woman. We apparently have. We had the same last name and she was sick and tired of getting harassed. So then we went around telling each other, telling other people that we were husband and wife. And so people would back off for her.

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And so she was my American wife at the time. Oh God. And we went to the mansion together and I played on, I played on half stable. I met half himself. And then later on in the evening, Mark, from too much that we just talked about him. And I sat out on the front steps of the Playboy mansion, smoking weed. Why not? And to me, that is just, just sticks in my mind.

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That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. They start, they stopped doing the Playboy tour of course, a few years ago when they sold the mansion. And I went to my first Dell, I went to my first ever LA show. Last January. I had I being in this wonderful weather in Thailand. I'm not too motivated to come out for winter shows, but this year, last year I did. And I'm like, but I got to, I got to tour Playboy. And that was kind of fun.

3 (21m 49s):
That's really cool. It is a great place. I had a lot of fun, although there was a lot of crazy stuff going on. I mean, this is the fun thing. Mark was noticing that there is these whole bunch of Playboy models all standing around me. And I had my phone out and there was a bunch of guys that, you know, obviously there, you know, guys who are just like so shy of talking to beautiful women and I'm sitting there, I got like five girls around me or something like that. And they're going, what is, what is the legacy doing that? He's got all these girls running them and Mark just kinda sneaks up and looks over my shoulder. And he's, he sees me sitting there showing the girls, my, my family photos.

3 (22m 31s):
Oh yeah. I'm talking about my kids and they're all going. Oh,

2 (22m 35s):
Oh, of course. Oh, look it. Look, if you want to, if you want, if you, if you want to appeal to two to women, show them, show them kids and show them pets. That's that's what you do. Yes. Yes. Well, we got it. We got a big family of four doggies as you well know. So there are several companies out there that you help put on the map. Why didn't you leave those companies and start your own consulting firm?

3 (23m 6s):
That's a very good question. I know. That's why I asked it. That's why you asked it. They're the companies that are out there that I've helped. There's different types of companies in this industry, any industry, as you know, there's the account-based company, which is basically a company that's run by accountants. Right. And everything is know penny pinching. You know, you can't spend on anything. You got to do everything for free. And then they bitch at you because you know, why isn't this happening faster? And in that type of environment, creativity.ice, because just being cheap, you know, it's always the cheapest or nothing.

3 (23m 53s):
Then there's the micromanaged based companies where, you know, the, the guys sitting there or the girl, what whoever is just like right over you and they're micromanaging every part of you. And that shows a level of mistrust. Yeah. And it's, to me, it's kind of like, well, if you, if you hire this person and you don't trust them to do their job, then why, then, then it's your fault for hiring people that you don't

2 (24m 23s):
Well, that's, that's also a personality deficit of some, some people that are just super controlling and type a personalities. Yeah. Well, I'm type a, but I'm not controlling, but there you go. Yeah.

3 (24m 36s):
In that particular situation, again, creativity dies because anytime you bring up something, bam, you know, it's just micromanaged. It's not their idea. Yeah, exactly. Then you've got like the self-absorbed sexually based company where the creativity dies. If the ideas don't come from the boss and you're useless. And then there are other situations, unfortunately, where it's like, if you don't sleep with a boss, you're fired, you know, and I've seen that. And I don't know. I hope you haven't, but you have you'll know what I'm talking about.

2 (25m 16s):
No, not really.

3 (25m 18s):
I see in situations where girls who've gone down to, let's say Florida wherever, and if they didn't, then they didn't get their passport or the ticket to go back home and people had to scurry around and collect money to be able to send them back home.

2 (25m 32s):
You're talking about models. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

3 (25m 35s):
So not just models, I'm talking about actual sales reps. Yeah.

2 (25m 41s):
Oh, sure, sure. No, obviously that stuff goes on. No two ways about it.

3 (25m 47s):
Yeah. And, and so if anybody, like, for example becomes in the, in the limelight and it looks as though, you know, that's kind of what you want is you want a person who's, they're going to be the spokesperson for the company, especially when you're on a message forever. And you know, you associate that person with that company. Well, if the boss is so self-absorbed that they don't like it when somebody else is there, because then it's like, well, you know, if the, then, then it's going to like volatile because then, Oh, well that person's just going to start demanding more money because without them, the company is going to fail.

3 (26m 28s):
So then they let them go, whatever. So that's kind of, that's another type of company. Then there's the BFF based company where the boss just hires as best buddies, family, the whole thing. And you know, you come in and if you're not part of that group, then you know, you're, you're on an outcast all the time and career creativity on that situation dies because, you know, you're not one of the boys kind of a thing. Sure. And that really can hurt. And then, and then there's something I call the reverse pyramid based company where normally companies are structured where the ownership is at the top and everybody falls down below.

3 (27m 19s):
But if you can actually switch that over and have it so that the, the ownership is helping and serving and giving the tools that are needed to the base, then that is what is the best thing, because then everybody wins, but it's too rare. Yeah. And you know, a good manager serves and not, and does not dictate to employees. And I, I don't know how else to say it. I mean, I've always told people, you know, it's like, how do you manage these?

3 (28m 2s):
People's like a good man, a good manager or management happens when you're not there. Yeah. If you can train them well enough and giving them the tools and the abilities you shouldn't, you could walk away for, let's say a trade show and know that the company is going to run and the decisions will be made the proper way and you shouldn't have to worry, but that doesn't happen all the time. And you know that right. And you know, you got, you need to be part of a place where each employee is a valued member of a team. And so,

2 (28m 38s):
So you've been in the industry obviously for a long time. Do you have any mentors or in addition to that, anyone you'd like to meet that you haven't,

3 (28m 50s):
As far as mentors they've either died or left?

2 (28m 54s):
Well, you can, you can, you can mention them.

3 (28m 57s):
Yeah, no, there, when I first started out, I mean, yeah, there was Bob rice and a few others that were, that were my mentors. And nowadays I really, it's not that I don't have a men. I know I really don't have any mentors that helped me along. But anytime that I'm with a place it's, it's more of, I tell them right off the bat, it's not that I know everything about the industry, but I sure as hell know the people who do yup. And the key is networking. And if you can network yourself out and know the people, then you can, if you're stuck in a situation, you can call somebody up and it's like, Hey, you know, I need some help with this or that.

3 (29m 44s):
And give it to you, which is very rare in the cult when it comes to business. I mean, we're asking you sit there and call up a competitor or somebody from another company's like, Hey, could you help me out? That's where the family comes in. So yeah, I've got people that I can, that I call up, like rock hard and you know, others where, you know, in Mark as well that I talked to where I can just sit there and say, Hey, can you know, I, I need a little help in this area just to kind of clarify something. But as far as a mentor, no, I they've. They've either passed away or, or just aren't in the industry anymore.

3 (30m 27s):
The people that I'd like to meet the, you know, even back then, I've pretty much met everybody that I would want to meet today. I would say that there's one model and this is going to sound really strange. I don't get, I'm not hooked on models or anything like that. I don't watch a lot, but there's one person who I think when they do their show or they do their, their clips or whatever, they're so believable. And that's, that's somebody called Zev bell-ringer and I just, I, whenever I've seen anything of her, you just feel as though you're right there, you know, like she really does POV and everything extremely well.

3 (31m 15s):
And I think Jean she'd be the only person that I would want to meet just to be able to say good job.

2 (31m 23s):
So she really rings. So you're saying she really rings your bell. Huh? How could I not come on? How could I, not now there's a lot of talk right now about the legal issues with many tube sites, namely porn hub that New York times column by Christoph was a pretty devastating. And obviously how it affects the industry. There's been, I, I saw notes from that Canadian parliament joke of a situation the other day. Now over the years, I'm sure you've seen highs and lows. Can you comment a little more on the past and where you see the industry?

3 (32m 6s):
Yeah. This situation with poor home PornHub and in all of the other tubes, it's kind of a, it's kind of getting an adjustment readjusting. The, the way porn is looked at on the net. I mean, we've had a lot of ups and downs over the years. I remember when I bill screwing up and people were losing money, like crazy and a whole bunch of other things. And then even when tube started coming into the, or was like, well, porn is dead now. Right.

2 (32m 42s):
Remember the whole, wherever the whole, the whole passport explosion. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

3 (32m 47s):
I mean, it's just, it's almost as though every year, every other year, there's something out there that it's like, well, we're all gonna die now. You know, porn's going to die. Yeah,

2 (32m 58s):
No, no, no. Never

3 (33m 1s):
The companies that are creative. And that's what I keep. I went back to that list of the various companies and how it relates to creativity because the companies that survive are the ones that allow creativity rather than just copying other companies. Yes. And that happens so, so much, you know, somebody gets a great idea, they do it. And then everybody else, just because they don't have creativity, they just steal their idea and do it on theirs. And then everybody sits around and waits a long time ago. It was, you know, what people were asking me, what's the next thing in, in the adult thing.

3 (33m 44s):
And it was like, well, you know, we've kind of reached our limit because we've gone beyond technology. And until technology can catch up to us, we're going to be stale. You know, we're just going to be, you know, basically standing around, waiting for them to, to catch up. And then, and then we can move ahead together. I think that's happening now because I mean, even talking about Elon Musk and everybody trying to implant chips into our head and getting technology a different way and being able to see a virtual, virtual reality in a totally different way.

3 (34m 25s):
So very similar to the matrix. Right. And that's not too far away. I mean, he wants to do those chips in a year and they're available. So if we can create, remember the movie brainstorm from in the eighties, I do not. Okay. It's a movie, it's a movie about where somebody puts on this head gear and you can actually copy somebody's visual and feelings in it. And somebody created a porn movie and it was on it like just, you know, on the side. But the whole premise of the movie was, you know, somebody died, they had the helmet on and then you could take a trip and see what they saw when they died, brilliant movie.

3 (35m 8s):
But that type of technology where you can actually sense and feel what's happening is going to be coming up. That's going to be the big boost as far as for the industry itself in the past. Yeah. I mean, we all bitched and complained when tube started coming out. And at that time I started telling people, it's like, you know what, adapt, this is, use it to your

2 (35m 33s):
Advantage after Diane many died.

3 (35m 36s):
Yeah. Many and the ones who adopted, well, guess what, everybody started putting banners on it and started uploading their videos. And guess what, that's now you look and it's like, the majority of their traffic comes from tube sites, PornHub premium, you know, and do very well with that. Yeah. It, it, it didn't, it, it really hurt the people that had solo sites, but there was this massive flood of, of, of that. Plus there's an increase of webcams too. But now, now that something's happening to the tube sites, now everybody's scrambling around going, what do we do?

3 (36m 17s):
And it's like, well, how bout what happened before tube sites? Were there

2 (36m 23s):
Be creative, be creative? I always tell people, be creative, come up, do something that's better than everybody else. And you'll succeed. And really it's the same advice you should give people in any business.

3 (36m 35s):
Exactly. And that's, and that's the problem is that, you know, if somebody's not being creative or if somebody falls into those categories before, and this goes back, I think originally I hope I answered your question as to why was leaving certain companies. It was either because I had finished what I felt as though I needed to be done or two, they were part of one of those kind of companies. And it was just, I can't move on with that. Or three, the creativity was so dead that I just would have been just another.in the flock and I couldn't take it anywhere. So why bother? You know, I'm just not going to sit there and collect a paycheck for doing nothing.

2 (37m 16s):
That's why I don't work for, that's why I don't work for anybody buddy now. And I know you've done your share consulting as well, and that that's been your main thing for a long time now. I'm sure somebody like you receives lots of job offers, and it's probably going to give me a similar answer, but how do you decide which ones to take?

3 (37m 39s):
I remember, I remember back in December, I had like five or six offers. If I can see the potential, if I can visualize the potential of where they can be is one thing. Number two, I look at the type of ownership in the people that I'm working with. If, if they do show themselves as being somebody that I can work with and I feel comfortable with, and they have that type of personality that will grow with success, then that's good.

3 (38m 24s):
I mean, ultimately at the end of the day, and this is probably because of my age, I mean, family is, is really, really important to me. Sure. And I don't know how much longer I got in this industry or even from myself, but I have to make sure that the stress level, and I want to be able to enjoy what I'm doing. If I end up where I'm not going to enjoy something, have fun with it, not doing it. I don't need that anymore. I mean, I was taking jobs back then just to survive

2 (38m 59s):
Now at some point in our life.

3 (39m 1s):
Yeah. And then there comes a point in your life where it's kind of like, you know what families are important spending time with your kids. I remember somebody, I can't say his name, but I remember somebody saying he was ready to go on a trip. And then his kid was just like, we never spent any time together. And then they realized that they're missing out on the kids' childhood because they're working so hard. Yeah. And I don't want to be stressed out and overwhelmed in a negative way because that affects my family and it doesn't do me any good health wise. Yeah. So if I accept a job, then it's, it's something that, you know, all those categories have to fit in place.

3 (39m 49s):
And yeah.

2 (39m 51s):
Great. Now your latest project is my cam match.com. It's a, yeah. It's a relatively new company. And maybe you can tell us a little bit more about that and why you chose it.

3 (40m 4s):
Well, that's, that's the funny thing, the, the points that I mentioned in the backer were what was here. I'm relatively new being in the past, like year or two, the, the idea of this thing, it's kind of like a social network for models and for users. And I think one of the reasons why I took it is because it was so unique as like, it was literally one of a kind and I loved the, the creativity. And especially in this industry after, you know, as you mentioned at the beginning that I've been around longer for a long period of time.

3 (40m 51s):
I don't see any companies that break ground. Yeah. Just like, wait a minute. I haven't, who is your competition? Well, there isn't any, because it's never been done. Sure. And I'm like, wow, that, that is what got me right off the bat. So in it models come in, they fill out their profile. Bam. They immediately are introduced or have the ability because there's the users that are on the site are members of various campsites up to like about 16 or something right.

3 (41m 33s):
Of the top campsites that are out there. Cool. So all these users get in there, there is a rewards program for the users. That's actually more money than any, than any campsite, you know, a couple of campsites put together and it's kind of like, you know, your rewards program, like your air miles. So the users come in and they can, they can do a searching on the profiles. So, you know, if you go into a campsite or whatever, and you start doing the surgeon's gone age or whatever, you're very limited. And you get, you know, you get a slew of like 80 something pages.

3 (42m 15s):
And it's really hard to find, you know, you gotta go through all the pages and all the pages and you know, that kind of stuff here, the questioning and the, the, the model, or define the model, it's much more selective to your tastes because they ask a lot more questions. Sure. So you go through, and then all of a sudden, now there's a small handful or, or less than that, of models that fit exactly the profile you want, which is great because it was a good time saver. And because these models are on all, a lot of the platforms out there, so you click on one and it could be from gender-based, you click on another, it could be, you know, MyFreeCams, whatever.

3 (43m 2s):
So it's not like we're, we're showing favoritism to any campsite. We're showing the ism to the girls because the more they fill out on their profile as to what they like, the easier it's going to be to be able to find a user that spend money on them. This is where it benefits the girls, because the girls are always, you know, they waste a lot of their times talking to guys. And it's like, after a while, it's like, Oh, I don't like that. And then they take off we're here. It's like, when you get a user that actually likes what you like, then you have a little bit more of a relationship and a connection, right. Not to mention that the guy's now got more rewards on top of the money he was already going to spend.

3 (43m 47s):
Hmm. Okay. So that benefits the girls. And we all know that when you're sitting there and you're, you're a cam model, male or female, what is the most important thing that you should be told is develop a relationship with your client, with your user, right. That's what's going to make you money is developing relationship. How were, and then how are relationships developed? Well, based upon interests, common interests. So if you have a site that actually has more of the questions that would match up those common interests, then you're going to have not only a good discussion, somebody that you like, who likes what you like, but you're also going to have a member who's probably going to be, you know, a long time member spending a lot more money on you.

3 (44m 46s):
Sure. On the guy side, it's like, Hey, I like a girl. I got a girl now who likes what I like. And I don't have to sit there and waste my time three hours going through all these multiple pages and asking questions and sitting in chat rooms and listening to her, having her taking off or 20 minutes to go on a private session or whatever. And then I got to sit around and wait to see as to whether she likes what I like. So it cuts the time down us. And when you do find the person, you like, guess what? You got the reward points. Like, you know, like, as I mentioned before, so it's, win-win on both sides and with the girls they're sitting there and if they're on page 30, you know, they're not going to get a lot of traffic down there at that level.

3 (45m 38s):
So it's like, you know, like you had a Twitter and I can go here, you know? And then you got to spend so much time being able to build traffic up. Right? Well, here, the traffic is kind of sitting there because the people that, number one, you're trying to build a relationship for. You have more connections, but at the same time, you have more users, more traffic now. So that on the site that can book a private session with you. Right, right. On the site. So I can all go here. Okay. I want to have a private one-on-one Benbow boom. Then they can message you. And then two of you can connect and they go to whatever campsite you're a part of and start spending money.

1 (46m 22s):
Sounds like a plan. Well, Hey, Robert, I'd like to thank you again for being our guest today on adult site, broker talk, and I hope we'll get a chance to do it again.

3 (46m 32s):
I hope so too. I hope so too. It's been great talking to you, my friend, and it's also been great knowing you for so many years, and I applaud you for your success and all of the great work you're doing to contribute to the family, to the industry. And I've really enjoyed my time here with you. I really appreciate it.

1 (46m 53s):
Likewise, my broker tip today is part five of how to buy a website. Last week, we talked about how to determine the value of a website, how to negotiate the sale and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you're talking to your attorney and you're having them draft an agreement. What should be in it? Well, your attorney will guide you through the legal side, but here are some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint, what is the date you'd like to close? Make sure you know, that you'll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase by that date, I've had buyers who aren't ready and that just causes issues. In fact, I'm going through some of that right now with a couple of my deals, make sure that all of the assets you're purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with vendors, all records, including two, two, five, seven docs software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites.

1 (47m 58s):
Of course it should spell out any payment schedule. If there is one who's responsible for closing costs, such as paying for escrow. And there are always terms that are unique to yours and the seller situation, this assumes you're the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is drawing up the agreement, then it's important that you express all of this to your legal representative so they can check the seller's agreement and see if any changes are necessary. We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week, we'll be talking to our first ever returning guest on adult site, broker talk, adult performer, Lance Hart.

0 (48m 40s):
And that's it on this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank our guest Talk to you next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.