Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 163 with John from Expose NCOSE

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Speaker 2 (3m 39s): Thank you Bruce. It's nice being on here with you.

Speaker 1 (3m 43s): It's nice to have you.

Speaker 2 (3m 44s): I'm a bit anxious, so please pardon? All right,

Speaker 1 (3m 47s): Not a problem. So John is the Director of Exposed NCOSE, which is an organization that was formed by people who are sick and tired of NCOSE willfully fulfilling their selfish purposes, censoring and erasing our online spaces and disguising their true goals under the false pretense of protecting children. Here's an excerpt from their website. The National Center of Sexual Exploitation, formerly known as Morality in Media, presents itself as a charitable support organization for victims of sex crimes.

However, their claims are far, far from the truth. In reality, they are a far right homophobic religious organization whose c e o is associated with an already registered hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center that aims to eliminate all lgbtq plus and all sexual kinds of speech and expression online under the guise of protecting children from harm. NCOSE was established in 1962 as Operation Yorkville by Father Morton Hill of the St.

Ignatius Loyola Catholic Church in order to combat perceived issues from salacious magazines and pornography to atheism, obscenity, homosexuality, juvenile delinquency, masturbation in high school sex clubs in 1968, Operation Yorkville would be rebranded to Morality and Media and their pursuit since then have included claiming gay marriages linked to mass murder, suing famous late comedian and George Carlin for swearing on the radio and claiming that the Monty Python movie life of Brian was a direct aggressive, deliberate violation of the rights of believing persons.

In 2015 lobbyist Patrick Truman rebranded Morality in Media Again to what it is now the National Center for Sexual Exploitation. Their goals are to get NCOSE to be labeled as a registered hate group with the Southern Poverty, Law Center, I should say, your goals for companies and politicians of all sides to end their relationship with NCOSE and to let the public and media know the truth about NCOSE. So John, what are your plans for a successful campaign against NCOSE?

Speaker 2 (6m 8s): Well, for one, getting them registered as a hate group once and for all. Like they should have been a long ass time ago.

Speaker 1 (6m 14s): Yeah, yeah, you're right. Because

Speaker 2 (6m 15s): Literally have you seen their history and the people they're connected to, like it is fucked up. Like they're like tied to several hate organizations that are like against abortion, gay rights, all that horrifying shit, you know? And it's, it's mostly worrying when in the states, since I don't live in the States, but like when these things are getting like on a pedestal, I don't know what the word is used, but like a hot topic issue. Like they're vulnerable, more vulnerable than ever. And I think that's really worrying if I'm gonna be honest as a queer person myself.

And what's worrying for me is that these people don't care about kids. Kids are always just a pawn for their shitty agendas and so on. And their policies and like things they advocate for only hurt kids and victims and actually help them because they were huge advocates of Cesta fossa and we both know that didn't stop a single sex trafficker from like from stopping sex trafficking and so on. No, I feel like just something needed to be done about these groups.

'cause I feel like nobody was speaking up about it. I've tried contacting the E F F 'cause I am, I will admit I am in communications with one of the members of the E F F.

Speaker 1 (7m 32s): What's the E F F? I'm sorry? The

Speaker 2 (7m 33s): Electronic Frontier Foundation. Oh,

Speaker 1 (7m 35s): Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (7m 37s): Yeah, they do realize the threat, but I, they did, I will admit it isn't their thing to speak on. And I did try contacting the Porn lobby, the Free Speech Coalition, and to give them credit, I think they understand somewhat, but I feel like they don't really understand how dangerous this group is, if I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (7m 54s): I disagree. I have, I've had Alison Boden on a couple of times and if you haven't heard those segments, you need to because they're definitely aware of it. And yeah, so I mean they're, they're extremely aware of NCOSE and the other hate groups and they're fighting very hard against them.

Speaker 2 (8m 15s): Oh, that's good. I I also did talk to that Mike Stab,

Speaker 1 (8m 18s): Mike Stabile.

Speaker 2 (8m 19s): Yeah, stab

Speaker 1 (8m 20s): Mike's been on the podcast too and we've discussed it. I cool.

Speaker 2 (8m 23s): My members are huge fans of his work.

Speaker 1 (8m 26s): He's a great guy.

Speaker 2 (8m 27s): Yeah, really great guy. Even the e FFF guy said so.

Speaker 1 (8m 32s): No, Mike's tops Allison is Tops. I've known Allison when she was running kink.com and she is definitely the best director that fscs ever had because really shit is getting done now. They've hired lobbyists and they're suing the state of Utah for the anti-porn legislation. So there's all kinds of good stuff happening and those people are definitely behind it.

Speaker 2 (9m 2s): Same. Well that's good. I have a, I won't lie, I have an also alerting Mike about what's happening in Canada, but this isn't really the discussion for, but they're also aware, which makes me hopeful and

Speaker 1 (9m 12s): No, we can talk about Canada. Look, this podcast has a worldwide scope, so feel free, what's going on there?

Speaker 2 (9m 18s): Well, there's Bill C 11. Have you ever heard of what that is?

Speaker 1 (9m 22s): No, I have not.

Speaker 2 (9m 23s): It's the online streaming act and it basically, it would allow our version of the F C C, the C R T C to manipulate social media algorithms. Into what? Into feeding Canadians Canadian content, quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (9m 37s): I think I have heard about that. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 2 (9m 39s): It would also affect adult platforms too. I personally, I'm both concerned, but not as concerned if, I'm gonna be honest, from what I've seen, they want more websites and streaming services to have a Canadian section, which I'm fine with, but like the Trudeau government can be bit suspicious at times. If I'm gonna be honest, I don't really fully trust the liberals or conservatives, but like,

Speaker 1 (10m 3s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (10m 4s): But like what they've done, like with that trucker convoy, I, I really don't really trust their judgment. Like even though I disagreed with the truckers, they, they, that was really fucked up. What Trudeau did to them,

Speaker 1 (10m 14s): What happened?

Speaker 2 (10m 15s): He froze all their bank accounts.

Speaker 1 (10m 18s): Yeah,

Speaker 2 (10m 19s): Because

Speaker 1 (10m 19s): They had a convoy For what?

Speaker 2 (10m 21s): Covid mandates.

Speaker 1 (10m 22s): Oh

Speaker 2 (10m 23s): Listen, COVID. Like the, if there's one thing I can give our right wingers here in Canada is that they're a lot more libertarian than they are authoritarian in in the States. Yeah. If I'm gonna be honest, they realize that they can't get away with in what they can in the States and they realize that this is a multicultural country. There's, and it's more than just rich white Christians who live here and they, they don't make up most of the vote. So that's good. I'm also glad the transoral panic isn't infecting here 'cause that, God, I really hate that.

Speaker 1 (10m 57s): It's crazy in, in the US There's no two ways about it.

Speaker 2 (11m 0s): If they're gonna be honest, at least the US has its first events. I'm really worried about the uk.

Speaker 1 (11m 6s): Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (11m 7s): I have a trans friend in the UK and I'm worried for them.

Speaker 1 (11m 10s): Yeah. I'm worried about a lot of things right now.

Speaker 2 (11m 14s): One thing I'm also worried about is that there are two anti-porn like politicians in Canada that I'm worried for. There's this Quebec politician that I do think is, has good intentions, but I think she is misguided. But one I think is generally hostile. I, I forget their names, but one wants an age verification law that literally just says any age verification mandate personally, because of how vague it is, I'm not too worried about it. 'cause it could literally mean anything. It doesn't specify what it is.

Speaker 1 (11m 44s): The more vague it is, the more dangerous it is.

Speaker 2 (11m 47s): True. Then again, privacy is a prote, a constitutionally protected right here in Canada and anonymity is protected here.

Speaker 1 (11m 55s): Then it probably will get voted down or get overturned by the high court. I'm, I'm guessing

Speaker 2 (12m 1s): We have a privacy commissioner here, so I'm not too worried in a good Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (12m 5s): Okay. So what was your breaking point where you said, Hey, we've gotta do something about NCOSE?

Speaker 2 (12m 14s): Basically what really animated me, if I'm gonna be honest, was there's this artist I follow called Mr. Peculiar. You probably don't know him, but he's like an artist that I really like. I like his art style. And basically he posted like a next biz article about the no OSI Reddit ban. Basically saying you better make some noise, and so on and so forth. And under underneath another comment I found out that Koi was responsible for the Tumblr purge of 200,018. And I, if I'm going to be honest, I felt enraged that I have never felt before in my entire body.

Like I was so angry when I read that 'cause not to overexplain or like reveal too much, but I used to be a porn artist on Tumblr and I had a pretty big blog and following.

Speaker 1 (13m 0s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13m 1s): It was really fun and I, I feel like I was gonna get somewhere with it and people liked my art and it was a really good self-esteem booster for me. And when Tumblr band pouring all my art just went Thanos, like Thanos snapped basically. And I, I kind of felt through a depression. I, I don't, I'd rather not get into it, but basically my mental health really declined after that.

Speaker 1 (13m 23s): Hmm. That's terrible.

Speaker 2 (13m 25s): And, and basically I'm just realizing how bad it was because after that covid happened and it real, that also fucked my mental health.

Speaker 1 (13m 34s): I think that messed with everybody.

Speaker 2 (13m 36s): Yeah, that's true. But still like just seeing Koi responsible for that Tumblr purge I have you seen the show read in Stimpy? No. You've never seen Red and Stimpy? It's a classic.

Speaker 1 (13m 49s): I don't watch a lot of tv. What's it on?

Speaker 2 (13m 51s): It's a classic Nickelodeon cartoon.

Speaker 1 (13m 54s): Oh, well that's probably the reason

Speaker 2 (13m 56s): Basically there, there's this episode where Stimpy's German brother, was it his cousin? I don't know. But basically German cousin comes and they basically wreck a bunch of Ren stuff and Ren comes home from work and like he's like goes, I'm so angry. Oh like, like you can tell that he's, he's so angry that he can't express it.

Speaker 1 (14m 19s): And that's how you felt.

Speaker 2 (14m 20s): Yeah, I felt like that.

Speaker 1 (14m 23s): Okay. I get it.

Speaker 2 (14m 24s): And it didn't help that that stupid fucking earn it act came back.

Speaker 1 (14m 28s): Yeah. That's not great either.

Speaker 2 (14m 30s): Basically it's a combination of those things and the fact that they would be on a special commission and how politicians are feeding into this bullshit. I, I just said enough is a fucking enough and it's about time somebody does something about these assholes.

Speaker 1 (14m 43s): Well good for you. Good for you.

Speaker 2 (14m 45s): What it started is that I found somebody similar who hated Noci and we started this Discord server and we found this anti internet censorship discord server who also shared our hatred for no see and that's how we're here today.

Speaker 1 (14m 58s): That's fantastic. So tell me about your organization. How old is it? How many people are in it and you know, how does it work? I know you're staying fairly anonymous and I can understand that.

Speaker 2 (15m 11s): I think we have like 28 members in our Discord server. Some of them are access, some of them are not. But like they're all very passionate about it. They like to contribute ideas, they like to just rant, they just like to, they just support our cause and like if they try, they like to share our petition and so on. And it's great. It's very great.

Speaker 1 (15m 31s): And you can stay anonymous on Discord.

Speaker 2 (15m 33s): Yeah. We can also stay anonymous on Discord too. That's a plus too,

Speaker 1 (15m 36s): By the way. Do you wanna share, share that, that Discord server so people can check it out?

Speaker 2 (15m 42s): I would love to but it's a security measure because NCOSE I has eyes everywhere and I'd rather

Speaker 1 (15m 47s): Okay understand. Just wanted to give you that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (15m 50s): You asked about what's their main goal. I felt like for a long time they just, these assholes needed to be registered as a hate group because I feel like if they were registered as a hate group it would enforce honesty about their past goals. 'cause they constantly lie about how they're not a religious organization and I feel like if we register them as a hate group it would enforce honesty. Because you see these me, the members of NCOSE I and how they're all religious and like their Wikipedia page and like these companies and politicians are falling for it. And I feel like if we registered them as a hate group, they would have to be honest about themselves.

Speaker 1 (16m 25s): Well and another thing, okay, let's face it, the Republican politicians want to fall for it. Now the left-wing politicians may be getting sucked in. I know a lot of them got sucked in by the whole Fota cesta thing. And I'd like to thank our distinguished vice president for being behind that who I, by the way, did not vote for in the presidential nomination. Even though I come from California, I voted for Mayor Pete by the way. Just to let you know. And I'm very proud of it.

Speaker 2 (16m 54s): I didn't vote for any, I voted for Jake meets.

Speaker 1 (16m 57s): Well I know 'cause you live in Canada, but there was no way I would've voted for Kamala Harris. I've, I've never been a, I've never been a fan.

Speaker 2 (17m 5s): I'll lie. I really hate how you guys have like a two party system. It must be terrible.

Speaker 1 (17m 11s): I do too. I do too. I don't like anything about our political system. But living in Thailand it makes life a lot easier. It's, it's pretty easy for me to somewhat blow it off. You know,

Speaker 2 (17m 22s): Thailand's like a death trap for me because I'm allergic to peanuts and I and peanuts are literally everywhere.

Speaker 1 (17m 28s): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So is NCOSE profiting monetarily from what they're doing?

Speaker 2 (17m 35s): Yeah. Like have you seen their tax documents? Like not a single dime goes to a single victim of a sex crime staying with Exodus crime. Like they all parade themselves as like,

Speaker 3 (17m 46s): Oh we're stopping human trafficking. Yeah, let's stop sex

Speaker 2 (17m 49s): Crimes you guys and then that you see their tax documents and they do absolutely none of it. And then most of their money goes to stupid bullshit propaganda campaigns or

Speaker 1 (17m 58s): Or in their pocket

Speaker 2 (17m 60s): Or Yeah and that stupid dirty dozen list.

Speaker 1 (18m 2s): Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 2 (18m 4s): Yeah. There's also another thing that animated me to do this recently. Koi made this article about quote unquote cartoon pornography. And basically He says, oh these evil pornographers, they want our children to be addicted in me who literally spent, I'm sorry to getting emotional but like me who literally says minors get the fuck out and constantly does everything to prevent minors from accessing our stuff. We literally don't like minors. We constantly make fun of minors. We hate minors.

That made me see the anger.

Speaker 1 (18m 37s): Yeah, yeah. Well for them to say that this is for the kids is just such bullshit. But then again that's always what these harlequins do is they say, oh it's for the kids. It's to protect the children. And you know, it couldn't be further from the truth. As you say, they're hate groups. They're against gays, they're against porn, they're against a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (19m 5s): Like they're even against George Carlin for swearing on the radio. Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (19m 9s): George Carlin life of Brian. Come on man. Really? That's comedy. I mean gimme a break. I'm sure they must've loved Sam Kinison too. I used a Loves Sam kid and oh my God, I saw him live so many times, many

Speaker 2 (19m 22s): Times. I don't know who that is 'cause I'm a zoomer.

Speaker 1 (19m 25s): I know you are, but you should look him up on YouTube. He was really, really funny. Some of his comedy wasn't exactly pro-gay, but I will tell you that he was a very, very funny man. He, he passed away unfortunately. What are the group's plans for the future?

Speaker 2 (19m 43s): If we ma manage to get Koi successfully registered as a hate group? We're planning on maybe doing a campaign where we pressure koi into actually giving all their money to a victim of a sex crime. Like make sure all the money they get goes to actual victims and not pack Truman's pockets.

Speaker 1 (20m 1s): Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20m 1s): We're planning on maybe turning this if we're successful into an anti-porn watchdog group to enforce honesty because there's a lot of these anti-porn groups and communities that are not honest about their true goals.

Speaker 1 (20m 12s): I think that would be wonderful. Yes. Exodus Cry is another one that is just horrendous.

Speaker 2 (20m 18s): And you know, I'll admit this is all about accountability and isn't that what all these groups want? Accountability?

Speaker 1 (20m 25s): Well so they say

Speaker 2 (20m 26s): Yeah I'm just holding them by the same standards and I hope they're okay with that.

Speaker 1 (20m 30s): They're not, trust me, they're not. They

Speaker 2 (20m 33s): Blocked me because of it.

Speaker 1 (20m 34s): Well that's good then you should be very proud.

Speaker 2 (20m 37s): I am.

Speaker 1 (20m 38s): Talk a little bit about moral panic having to do with adult content that's being used to undermine our freedoms.

Speaker 2 (20m 46s): I like to think a few things for this matter. I like to, I, I probably would like to blame the YouTube commentary community and maybe the Twitter's drama space and maybe also the tabloid media too. I think I'd like to blame the Twitter drama sphere for a second because thing that I've noticed is that a lot of people are ousted as grooming kids and like so on and so forth. And basically it's a huge trend to like dog pile somebody for doing bad things to children and so on.

And I'm not trying to defend it, but like there's people who make careers talking about like these horrible subjects and like making it a show. I don't know how to describe it. Are you familiar with Lull cows?

Speaker 1 (21m 31s): No.

Speaker 2 (21m 32s): A lull cow is like somebody who is constantly melt for laughs and like Entertainment. To give an example, have you ever heard of Christian or Christian Westin Chandler?

Speaker 1 (21m 42s): No.

Speaker 2 (21m 43s): Basically he was this autistic guy with a ano with a character named Chu. And basically, I won't lie Chris, he wasn't fully there but the internet latched onto him and basically people would constantly make him do really crazy things like drive to another state, shove his chu medallion up his ass or record himself having sex with a blowup doll. Like there's a whole community based on this if you don't believe it or not.

Speaker 1 (22m 10s): No, I believe it. I nothing would surprise me anymore. Especially when it comes to social media. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (22m 18s): Since Covid happened and since a lot of politicians were on social media, I think they constantly were consumed because Twitter that trending cab and with all that shit like Dream and probably don't know who dream is, he's like this Minecraft YouTuber that's super popular and people make lies about him. It's crazy. I'm gonna say a lot of things you probably don't understand.

Speaker 1 (22m 40s): Oh probably I'm 65 and you're, you're 21 so yeah, that's probably true. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22m 47s): Anyways, basically I like to probably blame the 24 hour news cycle. Maybe also the fact maybe Twitter. 'cause I know people like to blame social media, but when people say social media it's usually Twitter or TikTok.

Speaker 1 (23m 2s): Well it's not only social media itself, how social media is used.

Speaker 2 (23m 7s): Yeah, I will like to add, I really hate how because of all this bullshit, it's really hard to push for social media regulation. That's actually good. 'cause there's a lot of things I think need to be regulated on social media. Like I think infinite scrolling is actually really harmful to not just minors but adults.

Speaker 1 (23m 25s): Yeah. But as soon as you start regulating social media then you're getting into free speech issues and that's a real

Speaker 2 (23m 34s): Problem. It's really difficult. 'cause what I want is not free speech related but more technical if that makes sense. Like dark patterns, infinite scrolling and like algorithms forced up. Yeah. Like all that. I don't, I'm not talking about speech but like Right.

Speaker 1 (23m 48s): Well it still crosses over into speech unfortunately. And that's a real problem with that. But let's just cross over here and let's discuss free speech and privacy online a bit. How does this tie into your campaign against NCOSE?

Speaker 2 (24m 5s): Good question. Basically

Speaker 1 (24m 7s): I know 'cause I asked it.

Speaker 2 (24m 8s): I, I like to believe that because of NCOSE I like to believe that they're kind of responsible for all these bad laws and like all these crazy shit. 'cause like you know that UK online safety bill safety Yeah NCOSE is help was involved with that. 'cause they have a separate like entity called, I forget what it's called, but it was like IC International something. And it doesn't help that their vice president Haley McNamara is literally making articles saying that privacy should be eliminated.

Speaker 1 (24m 39s): Lovely. Huh.

Speaker 2 (24m 40s): Yeah. On our website our, on our Weebly site We have an article by Haley McNamara about how online privacy is bad and that should scare people because it shows their true goals with these laws.

Speaker 1 (24m 52s): Well I would think so. Scares me. It

Speaker 2 (24m 54s): Scares me too. I like to believe that their main goals is to make problems worse so it makes them look better. 'cause I've been looking at some data and apparently sex trafficking was really bad like was going down before Cesta fossa came into law and that it was really easy to catch criminals. And I would like to add, whenever it comes to these topics and like laws, I see nobody ever say, Hey I'm really glad that we're catching criminals, shouldn't we be like glad that we're catching criminals in broad daylight and bringing them to justice.

Speaker 1 (25m 26s): Yes. And the escort sites and the use of social media to promote prostitution. Those things were helping law enforcement and law enforcement will be the first to tell you that ever since fo cesta they have a very difficult time catching the traffickers.

Speaker 2 (25m 45s): Exactly.

Speaker 1 (25m 46s): We talked about that at length when I had my conversation with Alison Boden. by the way,

Speaker 2 (25m 53s): Send me a link to that. I'm interested.

Speaker 1 (25m 55s): Check out the podcast. It was about 10 episodes ago. I'll

Speaker 2 (25m 58s): Te I'll definitely check it out.

Speaker 1 (25m 60s): If you're gonna be on it, it's your duty to listen to it as well. I

Speaker 2 (26m 4s): I will imagine. Listen to the podcast with Mike.

Speaker 1 (26m 6s): Fantastic. Yeah, he, he did a really, really nice job. So how are these people violating the First Amendment and other such laws in countries besides the U S A?

Speaker 2 (26m 18s): For us it's section two B of our charter, our rights and freedoms. I like to think that they're manipulative like a snake oil salesman or you know, that Simpsons episode about with the monorail.

Speaker 1 (26m 30s): I do know The Simpsons,

Speaker 2 (26m 32s): It's all clever road play if I'm gonna be honest. Like it's all about manipulation. It's about trying to censor speech without censoring speech, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (26m 42s): Yeah, well it's still censoring speech no matter what.

Speaker 2 (26m 45s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, because I think they realize that they can't do the old thing where they say, oh it's against Morality or God or whatever because they realize that that's outdated and people will just laugh at them 'cause it's that shit can't cast. But I think they've updated their message like their methods, you know like with, with the Times,

Speaker 1 (27m 6s): Well I mean let's face it sex trafficking, it is a bad issue but it's also a hot button topic and they glommed on to that and everybody's like, well I mean when they ask for people to support Phospho assist they go, well you're against sex trafficking. Right. And I think what ended up happening was the politicians were afraid to vote against it because if you voted against it, it looked like you were for sex trafficking and people would've targeted them in the next election. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (27m 34s): Exactly. This is what I mean what I think we should register as a hate group because they're really manipulative and like I believe if registered as a hate group it would force these corporations and politicians to not work with them.

Speaker 1 (27m 47s): Well yeah, if they support them then they're supporting a hate group and that's bad for business,

Speaker 2 (27m 53s): Especially for a democrat Republicans, they probably don't care. But for Democrats, when L G B T Q issues are a really hot topic issue at the time and you're like, you bet a lot of Democrat politicians want to attach themselves to Gen Z and if they're associated with laws versus by a registered hate group,

Speaker 1 (28m 13s): You're not gonna get votes.

Speaker 2 (28m 15s): Yeah. They're not gonna get votes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28m 17s): Not gonna get my vote, that's for sure. I'm from San Francisco, man, I've got a very open mind. So no I I definitely, that's, that's definitely a topic that I vote on and well look, the people I vote for definitely aren't, they're not gonna be supporting those people.

Speaker 2 (28m 35s): Yeah. I also believe registering them as a hate group will also force all these corporations to like back off and not support them. What I'd expect is if, if this is a huge storm about all of these companies will either make a statement saying we are sorry for supporting this group and like commitment to L T Q rights or whatever, you know, all that typical corporate carpo stuff. And I believe it would make them think twice before accepting anything from these people. And I think you would also make politicians question some of these people as well.

Speaker 1 (29m 8s): You'd hope so. You definitely hope so. So talk about the entire anti-porn movement in general, if you would.

Speaker 2 (29m 17s): I think it's a really serious issue that not just when I mean anti-porn, I mean groups like Koi Exodus cry, all those weird anti-porn subreddits and like with cultish behavior, no fle that shit. I, I think it's a lot more of a serious issue than people think it is. 'cause these people are going out committing mass shootings, they're brainwashing people. People are killing themselves because they jerked off and like people are being shunned and like, I'm just gonna admit it's a cult. This is a fucking cult and it needs to be called out as such.

I know, I think one of these days, even though some of them are committing meshing, eventually one of them is gonna commit like a really bad meh shooting. And it could happen at any time, especially with Republican politicians and pundits constantly saying they're showing porn to children. Oh no,

Speaker 1 (30m 6s): Well you got the Fox newses of the world egging them on, let's face it.

Speaker 2 (30m 10s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30m 11s): And that's, that's definitely a thing that causes lots of mass shootings are the things that Fox News quote unquote report on because the agendas they push cause people to go nuts and get their AR fifteens out. So is there bigotry in the anti-porn movement?

Speaker 2 (30m 32s): Yes, there is. Like it's ever since day one because I think they realize that they can't do their old methods so they need to be clever about it. And here's the thing, oh I'll bring up a new topic transgenderism or like trans issues or whatever. Here's the thing with a lot of trans people, they are often discriminated by most jobs and they have a hard time finding jobs. So they often go to porn because it's often a high employer for them

Speaker 1 (30m 58s): It's kind of like here the, the trans people here, a high percentage of them work in sex work and prostitution here.

Speaker 2 (31m 8s): Yeah. And I think if they're trying their damnest to get rid of the porn industry, I think it's them trying to get rid of their income a way to make them broke. You know,

Speaker 1 (31m 19s): Well my income and a lot of other people's income as well in our industry.

Speaker 2 (31m 23s): Especially artists' income too.

Speaker 1 (31m 26s): So what's the best way to hold NCOSE and other groups like them accountable?

Speaker 2 (31m 33s): Just do the same thing they do. Just call out their past mistakes, maybe make fun of 'em, maybe play by their roles, if I'm gonna be honest. See how they like it.

Speaker 1 (31m 43s): Sure, sure. That makes sense. So where does LGBTQ plus rights figure into your campaign?

Speaker 2 (31m 52s): Basically their true goals is to eliminate all L G B T Q speech online. Like their members constantly like retweet constantly, like a lot of homophobic shit. And that's their main goal. Patrick a Truman is associated with a registered hate group. I believe that if they do get into power, they're gonna censor it because it's harmful to children.

Speaker 1 (32m 14s): And the amazing thing about the whole harmful to children thing is legitimate people in the adult industry, which are the, the people that I do business with, the one thing they want the least is for children to see their work. We do not want children on porn sites and we do everything we can to keep children off of porn sites. We have an organization, A S A C P that whose director's actually based in Canada where the goal is to keep children not only off of porn sites but also to keep children out of porn.

So I mean that's the last thing that the adult industry wants and we do everything we can to keep that from happening. Right now there's a lot of age verification laws all in right wing states. Of course actually there might be one or two in left wing states now that I think about it. But the majority in right wing states and they're trying to make it so difficult, you know, vaporizes that we don't have a business anymore. And the the biggest problem is with age verification is do you really wanna put your driver's license on a website?

On any website, let alone a porn site. Most people don't trust porn sites. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (33m 37s): Yeah. Like especially with the amount of cyber attacks that happened and the fact that I heard rumors that PornHub source code leaked and hackers are already abusing Pornhub's source code to make like PornHub websites to for the sole purpose of stealing personal documents.

Speaker 1 (33m 53s): I'm pretty sure I did hear about a data leak with them. Yes.

Speaker 2 (33m 56s): I'm gonna be honest, like this tech age verification technology isn't meant for going on websites. It's meant for purchase. Like making sure you're the right person to purchase something like a gun or gambling. Maybe

Speaker 1 (34m 8s): The answer is to have age verification platforms that are government mandated where you actually get some kind of a token, some kind of an online token that allows you to view adult content. I think something like that would be very good

Speaker 2 (34m 27s): For me. How I would do a purification if I was possible was have a system I call one and done where you basically pay your like router service to allow adult content on it.

Speaker 1 (34m 38s): Yeah, yeah. That's a possibility too. So how do you anticipate getting the Southern Poverty Law Center to declare these people as a hate group?

Speaker 2 (34m 49s): Just showing them that there are already like people who they already registered in hit groups working here and the fact that their shady history isn't really proving them otherwise, you know?

Speaker 1 (34m 59s): Okay. Is that hard to do?

Speaker 2 (35m 1s): I'm not sure actually, but like I messaged 'em and our petition is growing and I know with enough societal pressure anything can happen.

Speaker 1 (35m 8s): I agree with you. Do you need a petition to go to them?

Speaker 2 (35m 11s): The petition means nothing. It's meant to represent something. If I'm gonna be honest, most online petitions don't go anywhere. But it's meant to say something as it go, ties into a thing I'm gonna say later. Okay. It shows people that we're sick of this, you know, and it gives people like a voice, you know, it makes people think like they're doing something good and I like that.

Speaker 1 (35m 33s): Well maybe that's something to work on. What can the people listening do to fight NCOSE and others who oppose porn and have other anti-sexual expression beliefs

Speaker 2 (35m 48s): Just hold them by the same standards they do. 'cause they really don't like that.

Speaker 1 (35m 51s): But I mean, is there anything tangible that these people can do?

Speaker 2 (35m 55s): What do you mean by tangible? Just curious.

Speaker 1 (35m 58s): Well, I mean, what actions would you like our listeners to take?

Speaker 2 (36m 2s): Sign our petition.

Speaker 1 (36m 3s): Where can they find it?

Speaker 2 (36m 5s): Go on our Twitter, go to Expose Noe. E X P O, SS E

Speaker 1 (36m 12s): C O S E

Speaker 2 (36m 13s): On Twitter. And it has everything like our website and everything. I haven't bought a domain for it today. Funny enough.

Speaker 1 (36m 21s): Hey, congratulations. I know I was pushing you towards that. So what's your biggest inspiration for starting this campaign? I

Speaker 2 (36m 29s): Like to think one of my biggest inspirations Lem back a lot. Her and her trafficking hub campaign because that thing spread like wildfire and it gave me so many ideas and I like to thank Muha ha's video. Oh, you probably don't know who Muha is.

Speaker 1 (36m 44s): Yeah, tell me about the video.

Speaker 2 (36m 45s): Basically his name is some ordinary gamers and he basically covers the trafficking hub scandal on both sides. Hmm. Yeah, he's a pretty all right YouTuber. He makes cool videos and rants.

Speaker 1 (36m 58s): Excellent. Excellent. Well, hey John, I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Site Broker Talk. And I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon as your campaign gains more steam.

Speaker 2 (37m 10s): No problem. It was really nice having you on here Bruce.

Speaker 1 (37m 14s): It's a pleasure. My Broker tip today is part five of how to buy a site Last week. We talked about how to determine the value of a site, how to negotiate the sale, and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you're talking to your attorney and you're having them draft an agreement. What should be in it? Well, your attorney should guide you through the legal side, but here are some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint. What's the date you'd like to close? Make sure you know you'll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase by that date.

I've had buyers who aren't ready and that just causes issues. Make sure that all of the assets you're purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with vendors, all records including 2, 2, 5, 7 data software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites. Of course, it should spell out any payment schedule if there is one who's responsible for closing costs, such as paying for escrow.

And there are always terms that are unique to yours and the seller's situation. This assumes you're the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is drawing up the agreement, then it's important that you express all of this to your attorney so they can check the seller's agreement and see if any changes are necessary. We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with adult attorney Corey Silverstein. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk.

I'd once again like to thank my guest, John, the director of Expose NCOSE. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.