Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 158 with Kevin Stoltz of Eroticism Magazine

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Now time for this week's interview. My guest today on Adult Site Broker Talk is Kevin Stoltz Kevin, thanks for being with us today on Adult Site Broker Talk.

Speaker 2 (3m 7s): Hey, my pleasure, Bruce. Thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 1 (3m 10s): It's a pleasure. Since, losing his virginity at the age of 16 k Kevin has been addicted to beautiful women. Where have I heard that before? His passion, since he was a young man, was photography and film. and of course, pussy His grandfather left him a camera and he carried that camera everywhere. During the summers, he worked in the school's AV department, repairing and cleaning equipment. He sold his first photos when he was 17 in his senior year. His final exam was to write, produce, and film an anti-drug commercial.

That was his first official film, while his goal at that point was to be a war correspondent. But. since Vietnam came to an end that took care of that, he got a scholarship to the Center for Media Studies in New York and studied film. He soon had opened a studio and was living in Manhattan on West 30th Street called Studio 34. He had been interested in nude photography since he was a boy, so he befriended the working girls in his neighborhood, In the mid eighties, he had the opportunity to do some shooting in Brazil.

From there, he went down to sell Paulo to soak up some of the nightlife and enjoy the sexy Brazilian girls. Kevin has been a professional photographer now for 42 years. Early on. he did some work for Rolling Stone. The editor referred him to model agencies and an ad agency. He did shoots for models Travel and Leisure magazine and other magazines. He later started getting contacted by companies to do their websites and by hosting on his servers. He began working at Adult in the year 2000.

When Chilly Willies a men's strip club, contacted him, I remember that place, to remodel their website. He photographed the girls dancing and shot short video clips for the site. That led him to meeting many girls who not only stripped, but also worked as escorts. Escorts from around Latin. America came to him for shoots to publish on various websites popping up on the internet. Eventually. he decided to open an online magazine, Erotico Mexico, and it was number one in google.

90% were escorts. Other were wives, swingers and aspiring pornstars from Latin America and even Eastern Europe. He added Eroticism Magazine in 2010. In 2019, around his birthday, he had a stroke, and then Christmas Eve a heart attack. In the 2020, the pandemic in Mexico hit hard. He returned to the states last year. In the beginning, it was a one man show. Last year he had writer and photographer. Michael McGrady joined him as well as one more person.

He recently launched a new non explicit publication called Erotic Magazine. He also has a podcast, Eroticism podcast hosted by Kevin, the erotic photographer that would be you. He's appeared in a documentary for Netflix on sex trafficking in Latin America. He's been featured in Esq Magazine, GQ and VICE Magazines about his work on the magazine and working with sex workers in a time of turmoil over prostitution and sex trafficking in Latin, America.

You can follow him on Twitter at EroticismGirls. You know, we've, we've all seen those beer commercials about the most interesting man in the world. Kevin, I think I'm gonna give you that title.

Speaker 2 (6m 30s): I think that's what Alejandro de Nono said. He goes the job that everybody wants.

Speaker 1 (6m 37s): The most interesting amount in the world. Okay, so Kevin, what's changed Aero's Magazine since you founded it in 2010?

Speaker 2 (6m 46s): Well, as, as you mentioned, I started the magazine as a Latin American publication, like many magazines do. Esquire has a Latin, American version, GQ, Playboy. Everybody has a, a version in the different countries. So we, my concept was to offer a place for my girls that I personally photograph to be able to, you know, get some publicity, get some recognition and stuff. And then later that kind of evolved.

And I discovered that our market was primarily from English or non-Spanish speaking countries. We had a lot of European visitors, we had a lot of US and Canadian visitors. So that was when I had to make the decision to cross it over from, you know, from Latin America to an American or English version of magazine, which is how Eroticism was born.

Speaker 1 (7m 41s): Very cool. It's been quite a ride for you health and situation wise in the last four years. You had a stroke, a heart attack, and moved back to the states from Mexico in that time. Talk about that journey and how are you doing now?

Speaker 2 (7m 57s): Well, the journey was probably, I should have done it much earlier than I did in 2016, because of the issues we were having with escorts and the sex Trafficking and everything. The laws became stricter not only in Mexico, but in other Latin American countries. So what ended up happening was that a lot of the websites that were featuring these models, they became, I do not advertise here because of violence against the girls and things like that.

So business started to fall off in 2016, which was when I was featured in Esquire and GQ several months apart. And of course my vanilla clients were of that upper echelon that Reed GQ and Esquire Magazine. So I lost a lot of my vanilla work. I lost a lot of my wedding business at that point. So I was just like, okay, so this is, you know, this is time to get out of there. But I had a girlfriend and I was like, okay, so now I'm not gonna not gonna leave you now.

But she eventually left me and then, oh geez, things evolved and I got a new girlfriend and she couldn't leave Mexico because she was a Venezuelan Czech girl and she was actually a victim of sex Trafficking from Venezuela to Mexico.

Speaker 1 (9m 17s): Really?

Speaker 2 (9m 19s): Yeah. That's how that, that's how we met. She came as for an interview for the, to appear in the magazine to do a casting. And she was telling me her story and I was just, I was just amazed, you know? And eventually she came back and she said, you know, Hey, can I live with you here? Cuz I had a big place and I had enormous place. I had 480 square meters of studio and apartment and, and meant into Mexico for $15 a day. You get your maid service and everything else.

It was easy living, something that she hadn't seen before. And I, you know, she was pretty, and I was like, sure, yeah, you can come and live here no problem. And that sort of evolved and we were together until the pandemic sort of started coming to an end and she decided to move, try to move back with her family. So she was getting her Venezuela and papers back in order and trying to get out of Mexico to Venezuela because she was turned down to come with me to the States.

Speaker 1 (10m 19s): Oh, that sucks.

Speaker 2 (10m 20s): Yeah, she got turned down for her visa. But the girl who left me in 2016, she was, she had her visa, you know, we got a visa because we had been living together for 10 years. So we were considered a, a married couple in Mexico, I guess it's like, what do they call 'em here? Common law marriages in the us

Speaker 1 (10m 38s): Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10m 39s): And because, you know, if you live together for more than seven years, you're a, you're a married couple. So she got, she had no problem getting the, getting the visa. We had bank statements, credit card stuff and everything to back it all up. And she got her visa on her first appointment. But unfortunately Sabrina wasn't so lucky because she had, she had a Venezuelan nationality and she has to renew her Venezuelan passport. And then after she did that, I was already on my way, you know, to getting back to the us.

But yes, they, they, once she got it, they turned her down. Cuz she had no, no source of income. She was living with a, a cousin or somebody in Mexico, so, or with a girlfriend. I don't know. She was, she was bisexual. So she had a girlfriend and, and living with me.

Speaker 1 (11m 28s): Oh, that's not a bad situation.

Speaker 2 (11m 30s): No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (11m 32s): And you had to get back to the states because of your health, right?

Speaker 2 (11m 35s): Well, I wanted to get back to the States even before I started having health problems. But yeah, once I had my stroke in 2019, I started looking for ways to get back. But, you know, at first it was just a stroke. And then as I was trying to recover from the stroke, you know, getting back into having, being able to walk in a stable manner, then I had a heart attack in, at Christmas Eve actually. It was wonderful. Yeah. So, and it was what we call an atypical cardiac event because I had chest pain, but very mild.

And the cases that I've seen of strokes and heart attacks are much, they're much more severe, crushing chest pain, difficulty breathing, pain down the left arm. I had none of that. And when I had my stroke, I waited three days to go to the doctor because I didn't think I had a stroke. But then one day my neighbor said, you know, what are you drunk at seven 30 in the morning? I was taking my dog out and she said I was walking like I was already drunk or I had been drinking all night. So my friends that, that lived near me and that I worked with also in Mexico in a wedding planning business, they said, Hey, I'm gonna take you to the doctor.

You need to go to the doctor. And I was talking funny, I was talking in reverse. I asked him one time to lend me the car to, to lend my dog the car to take me to the store.

Speaker 1 (12m 57s): Yeah, that's a, that's a good indicator.

Speaker 2 (12m 60s): Yeah. So I went to the doctor and he did a test and he said, yeah, you, you had a stroke. And he sent me for a, what do they call it? Cat scan. And the cat scan just confirmed everything. So I was like, okay, yeah, here we go. The heart attack was the same thing. It was Christmas Eve, the symptoms were mild, you know, it was just like a bothersome pain in the upper left hand part of my chest, near my shoulder. I thought maybe it was just a pulled muscle from, from working out because I was exercising with small weights and stuff to, you know, get back into shape after the stroke and I didn't do anything about it.

And then, you know, Christmas day, otherwise go into the doctor wasn't an option. So waited till the day after that I could go, you know, and then I had a friend take me to the, to the doctor, and he was like, I gotta send you to the hospital, which they did. I went to the hospital to be admitted, and the hospital refused me because I didn't have the money for a down payment. Oh,

Speaker 1 (13m 59s): Lovely.

Speaker 2 (14m 0s): Yeah, there's, I there, I had no health insurance in Mexico anymore. I did have a private health insurance for a while, but it was like $400 a month. And when I needed it one time, it didn't cover anything. So I just said, no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna bother for this. So in 2022, I made arrangements to move to Corpus Christi in Texas. That was the original plan. I have elderly aunt and uncle that are still alive. Some of the last of my living relatives. I was gonna move there with them and help them.

My uncle had a quadruple bypass, my aunt broke her hip, so they were struggling with day-to-day stuff. And so my aunt said, come, you can help us out. You can have the car, you can get yourself a little part-time job and everything while you're waiting for social security. And then the day I was supposed to fly, she called me and she said, don't come. Yeah. I think that my uncle was going a little crazy and not to come. And, you know, I didn't go. So then later on I decided, well, I'm gonna go. Anyway, the Netflix production that I did just before I left, they paid for my airline tickets.

That was part of the deal that we had, you know, for me staying, because I had my tickets in 2022. And then they asked me to stay and do this show. Particularly, it was on sex Trafficking and on what happened with Kathia, the model that I had that was killed by a serial killer and the lack of the police to, to do anything about it. So, you know, I stayed, I did the show and you know, as soon as I finished with the show, I was off to the races to get back to the us.

They got me a ticket within a week and I was gone.

Speaker 1 (15m 43s): Talk about the experience of doing that Netflix special about sex Trafficking. And you talk about your model being killed. That had to be a terrible experience.

Speaker 2 (15m 58s): Yeah, it, it was bad for me in particular because it was a girl that I met years earlier in Cancun when a pimp a fe, her female pimp was trying to, you know, get her photos, brought her to Cancun to be photographed by me. And I went to meet him. And when I saw the girl and I met the girl, I was like, no, I'm not shooting her. She didn't look like she was a willing participant. And I felt that she was, you know, there because she was being forced to be there, or circumstances were forcing her to be there.

That and shooting for escort agencies were just two things that I didn't do because escort agencies in Mexico were notorious for bringing girls from other countries. I mean, even from Eastern Block Europe. So yeah, I go out, they promised them something else, and then when they get there, they find out that they're gonna be working in sex work. So yes, and I had experience with a couple of models who left agencies and, you know, tried to go independent.

So I turned Kathy down back in probably 2010 it was, or 2011 was while I still lived in Cancun. And then I turned her down and we never stayed in touch. I never saw her again. And then one day in Mexico City, I had a girl, you know, obviously using an a different alias name, contacted me for an appointment to be shot for her portfolio photos. And I said, yeah, sure, no problem. Come. When I opened the door, it was her, but now, you know, this was like six years later.

So she was older and she had been working the streets already, you know, doing old style cell phone pictures and stuff like that before we came out with this, you know, with the good smartphone cameras and all that crap, that kinda ruined photography for everybody, but, Hmm. But yeah, it, we hooked up that day and I, I did a shoot for her, you know, nothing explicit, just a simple, a simple shoot, maybe some titties out and stuff like that, but no, nothing explicit because that wasn't the, that wasn't the concept that I liked to use.

I didn't think you needed to give the cow away. So we shot, and then, you know, she came back again and we shot again, and we began, we started becoming friends and she was telling me her family story or family history and everything. And it was quite interesting. Her father was a cartel enforcer and collector.

Speaker 1 (18m 32s): Oh god.

Speaker 2 (18m 33s): And when she was a child, her father took her around to collect debts and to collect payments from the businesses where near where they lived. So yeah, so it was an interesting story and all. And so Kathy and I became very close. I met her mother. I met her brother. And then, you know, one night I had a missed call at three o'clock in the morning. And actually the day that she was killed, five minutes before she was killed, she talked to me on the phone. We talked to, we talked on the phone, and we were gonna get together the next day.

And I never heard from her. I sent her a shit load of messages. I sent her texts. I called her phone, but there was no response. And then on a Friday night, that was on a Wednesday, we were gonna meet on a Thursday. And then Friday night into Saturday morning at three o'clock in the morning, my time it, I got a phone call saying, saying I had a missed call because I, I always silence my phone at night for sleep. And I woke up in the morning and I saw it was her mom. So I tried to call her mom back and I couldn't get through.

And so finally I just, I gave up and mom called me in the afternoon. She said she just came back from burying her daughter. And I was just like, I was in shock.

Speaker 1 (19m 50s): Yeah, yeah. Who killed her?

Speaker 2 (19m 53s): Well, they have a video from the hotel and the police followed him on street cams for a while. But it was somebody that they never identified, supposedly, and somebody that, you know, they never found. And then, you know, I was just outraged that there was no publicity about it on the internet. You know, there was no newspaper articles, there was nothing. So I did a periscope, I think it was called back in the day, I think it's now, it's a part of Instagram or something. And I did a live of broadcast where I completely lost it.

And it was actually threatened by the police to take the, the audio down because, you know, they, they felt that I was gonna impede on their investigation.

Speaker 1 (20m 36s): It's kind of hard to separate the Mexican police and the, the government officials from the cartels now, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (20m 43s): It, well, they're, they're all on the same. I mean, if you look at, even from recent events and everything, you can see that the new communist government that took over Mexico back around 2000, I guess around 2018, 2019, they took over the presidency. And our Mexican president, he collaborates with China and North Korea as well as Cuba. Venezuela, they're all in this little group, you know, of importing and exporting stuff. And their theory is it's better to be in bed with the cartel than to fight them.

Whereas before that, the presidents were in at war, literally with the cartels,

Speaker 1 (21m 21s): They wanna stay alive.

Speaker 2 (21m 24s): Well, I mean, you gotta imagine. And

Speaker 1 (21m 26s): They wanna get rich. Let's face it.

Speaker 2 (21m 28s): Exactly. The police in Mexico, they earn about maybe $80 every two weeks. You know, that's their pay. They work 24 hour days. And the military, you know, half of them are also in bed with the cartels. And they have a system, you know, with the bribes where, you know, it all funnels up from the bottom up.

Speaker 1 (21m 48s): This is sounding so much like Thailand. It's not even funny. I think it's all very typical of third world countries, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (21m 56s): You know, recent, recent, recently, well last year I guess it was the US had issued a warrant for the arrest of an extradition of El Chapo's son, you know, you the famous El Chapo that the American finally got their hands on. So Mexican military together with some state police or federal police go to arrest him. And a war opened up, literally they, you know, the cartel came out with their 50 caliber machine guns torched on the back of pickup trucks.

And they shot up businesses, they killed random people. The prison had to let out hundreds of prisoners that were rioting in the prison. And they had video of them hitting the streets and, you know, taking cars from people that were passing by. And it was just mayhem. So the president released him, the president ordered him, released back to the family. And so the US didn't get him on the first bite, but they did on the second bite.

Speaker 1 (22m 56s): Oh, did they?

Speaker 2 (22m 58s): Yeah. We, we just, we just got him like a couple of weeks ago. It started a war again. But this time the US was there with air transport. So as soon as he was in custody, he was outta Mexico. They had no opportunity after that.

Speaker 1 (23m 13s): Yeah. You don't mess with the US military.

Speaker 2 (23m 16s): Well, what happened was the DEA and the military and everybody came in to take control of the situation.

Speaker 1 (23m 22s): That's what you want to do. So let's move on here. Like many young boys, you've been addicted to pussy since a very early age, haven't we? All, but unlike most young men, they aren't able to make it their career. And it's been quite a ride. Discuss how you started an adult and where it's taken you.

Speaker 2 (23m 41s): Well, I mean, I, I started an adult in New York, but not in the traditional sense. It started with having a studio in one of the worst areas of Manhattan in the eighties. I mean, we're talking about during the mafia wars time. So that's where my studio was located. There were drug dealings and prostitutes on the corner, 24 7 on the corner, on the avenue, around the corner. Everywhere in my neighborhood there were girls. And I was always coming and going.

And there were always models coming and going from my studio. So one of the girls, this black lady Chyna, she noticed all the activities. She's like, what goes on up there? Are you hiring prostitutes? And I said, no, I'm a, I'm a photographer. So she was like, well, can I come upstairs and get warm? It was, you know, it was wintertime. And I said, yeah, sure, come up. I got coffee. I always had coffee. Yeah, I was a addicted to coffee. It was my main addiction.

That and bourbon,

Speaker 1 (24m 44s): I like scotch. But go ahead.

Speaker 2 (24m 46s): Yeah, I, I feel sorry for you.

Speaker 1 (24m 48s): You shouldn't,

Speaker 2 (24m 49s): Huh? I I shouldn't maybe, but I do. Although Johnny Walker Blue Label is absolutely the best scotch I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (24m 57s): It's very good. But I tend to like the single malts myself.

Speaker 2 (25m 1s): Oh, okay. I don't even know if I've had a single malt lately. I get 'em at weddings. Yeah. When I used to go shoot weddings, the bride or the groom would invite me for a, from their personal bar. That's when I would get the, the single malt. But I wouldn't invest in it. Imported single malt in Mexico was pretty expensive. But anyway, so I digress, you know, so it all started with China. China came up to the studio. Now you gotta imagine an old building, an old office or a warehouse or whatever it was at one time on the corner of a Cdy street in Hell's Kitchen, or right on the border of what today is Hell's Kitchen and the Fashion district.

And it was floor to ceiling windows and it was probably maybe 1800 square feet, but all one room. The only thing that was offset from it was the little kitchenette and the, what they called the laundry room, which I used as a dark room for my studio, for my personal stuff. Cuz I had personal street photography and stuff that I did. And so when China came up, she saw some wall hangings of the girls that I shot that I had blown up by the processing company.

So she said, you know, would you shoot me? And I said, would you wear lingerie or take your clothes off? And she was like, yeah, I got no problem. And that's how it started. And it was all black and white, you know, because I didn't have a color processing dark room. I only had sufficient for black and white. So that's how it started. And China kind of spread the word down on the street, Hey, go upstairs to warm up or, you know, in the wintertime, cool off in the summertime. And I, I had a constant flow of girls that wanted to get naked.

Speaker 1 (26m 39s): That's never a bad thing. Kevin.

Speaker 2 (26m 41s): No. And I had a constant flow of girls that just wanted to have sex.

Speaker 1 (26m 45s): Nice. Would that have been the seventies, late seventies or so?

Speaker 2 (26m 49s): That would've been the early eighties. In 79 after I graduated, I had a brief period where I was looking for work and looking for a studio and stuff. I was living in my car for a brief period of time, and Melanie, the editor from Rolling Stone, the best she could get for me, wa at the time was per diem work because they had full-time staff photographers. So she would look for little jobs that they could pay me for. And I, I got myself into a boarding house and from a boarding house, I got into the studio, which I was really looking for just a loft.

But when I saw the size, I was like, holy crap, I could put a studio, I could put my, you know, myself in here. And I had a friend who was a carpenter, and he built me, literally built me a rolling wall, you know, it was a wall on six wheels, it was painted different on each side. And I used it to separate my living area from my studio. So it was, it worked out kind of nice that way. The bed was close enough, we could just fall onto it, but it was separated by the divider and which was nice.

But yeah, it was convenient at the time. And at that time it was only $2,000 a month.

Speaker 1 (27m 60s): Can you imagine what it would cost? Now

Speaker 2 (28m 3s): I have a friend in New York who's in real estate there, and he said that that same building where I was living obviously was torn down. But a studio there now goes for $5,000

Speaker 1 (28m 15s): For a studio,

Speaker 2 (28m 16s): For a studio, one bedroom and two bedrooms. You can get up towards 10,000. Of

Speaker 1 (28m 21s): Course, of course. Yeah. Not much.

Speaker 2 (28m 23s): Yeah. They took away all of the, you know, beauty of the building. I mean, it was in a horrible area in this, in the seventies and eighties. But once the mafia wars came to an end, New York became, started to become a little bit more civil, so to speak. You didn't have families warring with each other. I did get a visit from one of the mafia enforcers one time, which was quite a surprise, telling me that I was interfering with his girls.

So, you know, we had a short conversation about how it was none of his business. And I would photograph whoever I wanted, anytime I wanted. I didn't know who it was, you know, the guy came, he was all dressed up real nice, you know, in his camel hair coat and everything. And so when he left, I went downstairs and I got the license plate of the car he was driving. Well, now he wasn't driving it, but he had his drivers driving it and his guys were standing outside. So I was like, okay, what the, what the hell? So I, I took the license plate down and I had a friend in the new N Y P D in the district attorney's office.

And, and Frank, you know, said anytime I needed a favor to give him a call. So I called him up, I gave him the license plate, I told him what happened, and he was like, don't worry about it. I'm sure it's probably just a wannabe. And I was like, okay. I said, I, I'm not worried. I said, I just wanted to let you know. So he called me back the next day and he said, guess what? He said, the chief of the organized crime task force wants to talk to you at one pp Yeah. So they picked me up and they took me over to one pp and, and they were like, look, we have some really bad news for you.

This guy is an enforcer for, I forget what, what family it was. And I was like, oh my God. And so he, I was like, so what's my risk here? And he was like, well, he kills people. And I was like, okay, no problem. But yeah, it got scary for a while.

Speaker 1 (30m 24s): Has anyone ever told you you should write a book?

Speaker 2 (30m 27s): Yeah, many people. And I actually started writing one and Jim Steele was telling me, you know, he said, stay with the book, don't go to short stories. Because I was gonna write a series of short stories about my adventures with the different girls and how it all started and everything.

Speaker 1 (30m 42s): Write a book, you really should.

Speaker 2 (30m 44s): He said, don't, don't do the short stories. I was gonna do short stories and send, sell 'em to like penthouse letters and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (30m 52s): Write a book.

Speaker 2 (30m 53s): Yeah. He said Write, write the book. And you know, I mean, what I really needed was an editor, because right now my focus is so screwed up, you know, I couldn't sit down and write a book in, in the last four years. So, and I had a girl in Mexico that wanted to write it for me. But the problem is that she wanted to do it in Spanish and I wanted to do it to a bigger audience. I wanted to, you know, bring it to the American market.

Speaker 1 (31m 19s): Well, you could do both so

Speaker 2 (31m 21s): Well, yeah. I mean one, but once you write it in English, you can have it translated to any language you want.

Speaker 1 (31m 27s): Exactly. So you worked as a paramedic for, what was it, four years, I think. And you said during that time you had the best sex of your life. Maybe give us some highlights. In other words, kiss and tell

Speaker 2 (31m 41s): Some of the best sex of my life. I paid my way through the balance of, you know, what the scholarship didn't pay because it was only a partial scholarship. So the balance of what I needed, I got through working as a paramedic. I became an EMT when I was 14 years old, and then started taking courses and I started taking more classes. I went to heavy rescue school. And so when the opportunity came up to work as a paramedic at night, and I also worked not only in Manhattan, but I also worked in New Jersey for three or four different paramedic services that were just starting up back in the day.

So I, I was working for them and at nighttime and going to school during the day, which was, which was ideal for me. You know, sometimes it was quiet and you could just relax. Other times it wasn't. But I mean, some of the best sex doctors, residents, nurses, lab technicians, X-ray technicians, it was, it was just like a buffet of sweet sex. You know, people always talk about the nurses being the hottest.

Speaker 1 (32m 48s): They're hot.

Speaker 2 (32m 49s): They're, they're, they are. And I mean, they, they do have some great techniques and stuff, but the, I I think probably the best was this Jewish respiratory therapists. You know, Jewish girls don't give blow jobs.

Speaker 1 (33m 2s): They do. But the question is, did she swallow

Speaker 2 (33m 5s): Well? And not only that, she absolutely was the best blow job I ever had in my life.

Speaker 1 (33m 10s): Being Jewish Kevin, I know about this.

Speaker 2 (33m 13s): Yeah, I guess you do, huh? But yes, I mean, it, it was just, you know, we, we were kinda like casual friends, not having sex or anything, but being, being around the same hospital all the time at nighttime, you know, you get to see people. And I had my own ready room, you know, like a medical resident would have on the hospital. Each paramedic had their own room where they slept, they showered and they, you know, they had a toilet and everything in there. And she would come and visit at night after we started becoming intimate.

And so we started having sex. And she actually lived in the hospital residence, I guess they call it, it was like an apartment complex that was connected to the hospital. And man, we had some wild times over there. And she loved, what was that drink that she loved? Oh my God, I can't remember. There was a drink that I've never had before in my life.

Speaker 1 (34m 6s): You told me about one drink she loved. But yeah,

Speaker 2 (34m 9s): The, the milk, and you know, it's not, it's not hard to imagine that, you know, you get, you do get a lot of girls that do swallow. And, you know, the one thing that, that I never had an experience with, with until I got to Brazil was anal sex.

Speaker 1 (34m 28s): Let's talk about Brazil. Okay. You said you spent some time there and I visited myself. I think Brazilian women have to be the sexiest in the world. So tell me about your time down there and how did you enjoy the beautiful Brazilian babes?

Speaker 2 (34m 45s): Well, absolutely, they, I have no doubt that they're the most beautiful girls in their own way. You know, not to take away from any American girls or European girls or anything like that, but in their way, big butts, natural. Well, most of the ones that I went for were natural tits, small, big, it didn't matter. And they all seemed to have that little triangle, you know, over the tits and you know, that where the sun didn't hit

Speaker 1 (35m 14s): Right.

Speaker 2 (35m 15s): And then, you know, you would run into the ones that would do sunbathing, topless on the beach when you got down to Rio, but not up, obviously not up in San Paulo. Yes. But I went there originally it was to shoot underwater in the caverns in Brazil. That was my assignment because I was an underwater photography instructor for Patty. And that was just one of my missions. And, and Rio actually wasn't on my schedule, but I had nothing after that until I was to go to Cozumel, which was my first experience in Mexico.

Speaker 1 (35m 50s): Hey, you saw the movie, right?

Speaker 2 (35m 52s): What movie?

Speaker 1 (35m 53s): Blame it on Rio.

Speaker 2 (35m 55s): No, I actually never saw that.

Speaker 1 (35m 57s): You've never seen that. You gotta see it. It's great.

Speaker 2 (36m 0s): I've never seen that. Yeah. And, and like I said, my first anal experience was, was down there in Rio. And, and I had met this girl Patty at, at a phone booth, if you can imagine that. I was trying to make a long distance phone call to, to New York. And I was standing at the phone booth and she just stopped and started staring at me, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes, standing there trying to make a phone call in English. So she, you know, she stayed there and she was like, just, she's like, do you like me?

And I was like, you're cute. Yeah. She was like, come, she said, well, can we go out to dinner? And I was like, yeah, we can go out to dinner. And after we went out to dinner, I mean, it wasn't a, you know, we didn't jump into bed. Let's, let's get that straight. It was, and, but it wasn't a long-term thing, but it, we didn't jump into bed. We went on a dinner date, then we had a cocktail date, we went to a club. And then afterwards, I think the next date we had, we took a bottle of wine down to a, to a private dock somewhere.

And we, some places she knew, we went down there, we did some heavy petting and kissing and stuff. And about a week later is when bang, it all hit, you know? And, and it was just like, okay, let's have sex. You gotta take me there. I mean, in, out on the street and in the car, we, we had oral sex, we had, you know, lots of petting and stuff. But then when we got back to the hotel, it was, it was just, everything goes. And she literally pulled my cock out of one hole and stuck it in the other.

Speaker 1 (37m 37s): Ooh.

Speaker 2 (37m 38s): Yeah. And I mean, like, we're, we're talking about no lubricant needed.

Speaker 1 (37m 42s): Yeah. Your own live porn scene. Whoa.

Speaker 2 (37m 44s): Yeah, I mean, it was just unbelievable. So it was just like, I, I never became an, an addict of anal sex, you know? It's not like, Hey, if a girl doesn't give out, I'm not gonna date her. That's, that's, that's not my thing, you know? I like to eat pussy. That's my favorite thing. I like a lot of kissing, I like a lot of touching and my oral sex, you know, when a girl gives me a blowjob, it's, I mean, there's only one, you know, one way that I really like it, I like it nice and slow, you know? And I've had a couple of girls that one was quote named the blowjob queen in Mexico by an Italian porn star.

Speaker 1 (38m 23s): That's a really nice title.

Speaker 2 (38m 25s): Yeah. But I'll tell you, she, she was not even close to the, to being the blowjob queen, you know, not even, not even close. I didn't like her blowjobs. Yes, she could deep throat and all that shit, but I just didn't, you know, just wasn't my thing. But yeah. But I mean, yeah, she was, she was fun. We dated for a while and you know, she was a Mexican porn star wannabe. She did a couple of videos for small time, you know, producers like Latin Exposed now, forget what the name of the other one was, but since been closed, you know, what happens is in Mexico only the intelligent companies survive because they play to the foreign market, not to the Mexican market.

You know, XXX videos and PornHub have proven that Mexicans and Latin Americans don't pay for porn. They are the number one purveyor of free porn on those websites. Something that a lot of people don't know, but that's, they're the number one purveyors of porn on those websites. They come from Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, I forget what the order was exactly, but Mexico was the most consum door of, you know, free porn.

Speaker 1 (39m 37s): Interesting. Then you don't want to try to sell it there.

Speaker 2 (39m 40s): Exactly. So you're not, you don't wanna put, do everything in Spanish. You don't wanna do your promotion in Spanish, you wanna do your promotion in English. So one of the companies, sex Mex, who was and is, continues to be the biggest in Mexico, except for the fact that Bang Brothers has now invaded the Mexican market. Hmm. You know, so they're filming Latin pornstars in Mexico and some of the male talents from the US in particular, the guys with Big Black Cox, like Jack Slayer, and there was another one that came and, and screwed one of my models.

They filmed content there, semi-professional as content creators. And I mean, you know, so whether they pay or not or however they do it, they do the exchange with the models. That's none of my business. But, you know, I've had a couple of guys contact me and they were like, Hey, you know, have you ever worked with this girl? Yeah, I've worked with her. I've, you know, she's been in the magazine, Hey, I wanna, I want to go to Mexico and I wanna screw her for my content. I'll share the content with her for her only fans. And, you know, I, the only thing I can do for them is reach out to the model and ask 'em if they're interested.

But sex mix, they reached out to me back in 2015. They wanted me to actually go to work for them and help them break the cycle that they were in. They were in this, this cycle. And they took o over an expo like we have exotica, they had what was called expo erotic Eroticism and something else. But I went one year with them to cover the, the, the thing. And basically it evolved from being a sex expo in the past, because somebody else was handling it to being a sex mix propaganda event.

Everything there became sex mix and everything there became their performers and so on and so forth. So, I mean, when I was there, I had, what's her name? Alexis Adams and Jayden, something else at the expo. And it was very popular, you know, the Mexicans loved it, but they weren't gonna sell more porn live. Jasmine was there as a sponsor. They brought girls from all over Europe and Canada down there, their top performers to, you know, to be on stage. None of them spoke Spanish, none of the audience spoke English.

Speaker 1 (42m 3s): Could be a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42m 5s): Little Red Bunny, who was famous at the time, I did a little, I know her video of her performing. She's, she's sweet. She's a good girl,

Speaker 1 (42m 11s): Nice lady.

Speaker 2 (42m 13s): And she, you know, her like many other models had issues with Live Jasmine. I, I forget exactly what the issue was, but they had problems with Live Jasmine. They closed their live Jasmine accounts, forced them to reopen under another branded name. I had a girl in Columbia that went through the same thing. She was the number one earner like five years in a row. And all of a sudden they canceled her and told her she had to open a new, under a new name because she was also selling content.

Speaker 1 (42m 44s): Well, the way some companies treat the performers, we know how that is now, the women you shoot have often become friends of yours. Now, it's pretty obvious. You have a real caring attitude about your subjects. How do you think that helps make your work better? Well,

Speaker 2 (43m 1s): I think em in any service job, I think, you know, in this type of service, I think empathy is really important. You need to have empathy with the model. You need to create a, a trust with the model. It's not something that comes instantaneously. So you, you know, you do everything you can to try to make the talent relax. Especially if it's their first time girls that have come back over and over and over again. You know, like Lizzie, Seth, Kelly, cat, Regina, Dior, that have been my model since 2007.

You know, crystal diosa, these, these girls, you know, we developed a trust over time. Lizzie, literally everybody in the world thought that we were boyfriend and girlfriend. If she got contracted by somebody else to do a photo shoot, she would make sure I went with her to make sure there was no funny business. You know, it's still a very common practice in Mexico where photographers, producers and all of that, they wanna, they just wanna screw the talent. They're not in it for the money. They have other jobs and they just wanna screw the talent.

So kinda like, you know, Lizzie started the trend where, you know, she got called in by one of the newspapers in Mexico that features hot girls, you know, come in and do a shoot with us. You know, we'll feature you on the front page and on in a little article on the inside, you know, like a two page spread. So that's how, I guess the whole thing, the whole trust thing came into effect. She's, you know, called me crying from the parking lot of the newspaper that the guy who contracted her to go there. And the guy told her said, you know, you're not gonna get published unless you screw me.

You know, all of the girls that I bring here take me to a hotel. They pay the hotel bill and, you know, and they fucked my brains out. And she was like, I don't do this. And I said, no, I know you don't do this. And she was an escort, but she was not accustomed to me saying to her, Hey, you're gonna have sex with me or, or else you're done. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44m 58s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44m 59s): That just wasn't my style. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45m 1s): But it's because you care.

Speaker 2 (45m 3s): And, and I do care and I care about all of the girls. Even if they didn't come back a second time, I cared about their image. You know, I made sure that their image was presentable, that it would, they were shown in the best light for what they were trying to project. And I worked with a lot of amateurs, even back in New York. I worked with a models that were just coming out from the modeling agencies. They were, they were wannabes as the agency called them. And they would send them to me because I had a way of teaching them.

You know, my sister was a, was a model back when she was 16, between 16 and 18 years old, before she went on to work for an near airline. So my sister, she went through all of the training, she went through modeling school and all that when she was young. And she showed me a lot of stuff that she was learning. Her and her girlfriend used to pose for me. And so we, you know, we, we did a lot of stuff. I learned a lot of stuff to be able to pass on to the girls that were just starting out in the us.

It was very uncommon to find an escort that was trying to be a model. And you know, in Mexico it was more common to find, you know, escorts that were trying to be models pornstars that wanted to be mainstream models and do other stuff. So it was imp it was all an important part of showing them how to pose, how to walk. Sabrina couldn't even walk in high heels. She had never worn high heels in her life and she wanted to be a mainstream model.

That was her goal. So we did a lot of pajama shoots, we did a lot of stuff like that just for, you know, just for her promotion. And at the time, back when, when Kathy came for her photos, I was the staff photographer for a modeling agency in Mexico City. So I had the ability to move girls into mainstream modeling, doing simple things like demonstration models and going to shows like car shows, expos, the formula one, things like that.

And get paid, you know, even catalog work, lingerie catalog that I worked for paid my girls 12,000 pesos, which is $600 for a day's work a lot. Yeah. And for an escort that was earning $75 an hour, getting one or two appointments a day, that was a big bump.

Speaker 1 (47m 27s): Big time. So, Kevin to wrap up here, what would you like people to know about Eroticism Magazine?

Speaker 2 (47m 34s): Well, Eroticism Magazine is, let's call it the, you know, explicit Triple X version compared to a Tik magazine. The Raik is more a seventies, eighties, Playboy style. And we're able to attract more models who don't want to, you know, spread their legs and stick their hand or a dildo in their, in their pussy. But in, you know, Eroticism, we have featured hot wives even as recently as 2022.

We've had hot wives and swingers in the magazine and on the cover, even with penetration and, you know, everything you can imagine. So that's, that's what Eroticism Magazine is. And right now it's available mostly only in digital because it's 200 pages. And for people to print it, it would be cost prohibitive really. And the Raik magazine is the flashback of the Playboy times. Li you know, sexy lingerie. Yeah. Titties, yeah.

Nude, complete nude. But without showing the intimate parts. And it's, you know, and it's all about posing the girls and, and so on and so forth. This year, since we've launched a Tik, I haven't had the opportunity to shoot any of the girls because of my situation here, health and strategically located in Houston, Texas. However, I am working with a, a performer who now moved back to Texas and she's about three hours away.

So we're talking about working together and her sending some people from my Houston area here to, to shoot with me. I went to a hiphop studio, recording studio today and spoke with the manager of the studio to, to get some girls, and actually I'm lied. The one girl that was shot for a, a Tik magazine I did shoot, she was a, she was a Ukrainian girl. Hmm. Yeah, I, I have a connection with the manager of a strip club here in Texas, and he's in Houston.

And he, he was open to doing some kind of a relationship where he could send me girls that had, that did content creation or webcaming in addition to stripping. So I photographed her, she looks like she's maybe 19 years old, but she's actually 21 and she's very pretty. It was perfect for her because she didn't wanna, she didn't know if she was gonna continue in this, she was talking about going home. She was jailed in Dubai.

Speaker 1 (50m 15s): Oh God.

Speaker 2 (50m 16s): Yeah. She was jailed in Dubai because her agency took her and a bunch of girls to Dubai to do a shoot and they ended up, I guess, getting naked or semi naked or indecent.

Speaker 1 (50m 28s): That can be a problem in, in uae. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50m 31s): Yeah, that's what, that's what they say. I mean, I have a Indian girl that's in Dubai as well, and she told me that, you know, it was big news there. Careful. Well, she uses a, what do they call em? She uses a proxy to connect to do her cam sessions, you know, so she kind of hides it, but she does know girls that were caught.

Speaker 1 (50m 52s): You gotta be really careful in countries like that. And Thailand is one of them, my friend. Well, hey Kevin, I wanted to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Site Broker Talk. And I know we have just scratched the surface here, so I hope we'll have a chance to do it again.

Speaker 2 (51m 7s): Yeah, it'd be, it'd be great to come back again and continue the story.

Speaker 1 (51m 12s): Thank you, sir. My Broker tip today is part 10 of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later. Last week. We talked about what information to give a potential buyer and what determines the value of a site. We'll continue that today. If a site hasn't been monetized, then it's all about the amount and the quality of the traffic. If a sale is based on traffic, it will be a multiple of what the traffic would sell for on the open market. What are the sources of traffic, direct traffic, search engine traffic, and review traffic are the most valuable tube traffic.

The least valuable? Is the traffic reliable and sustainable? What is the traffic history? In a rare case, the valuation will be based upon revenue. The same factors apply to that as a profit. And the valuations will of course be lower than those of profits. How old is the website? Is the domain a.com or something else? Dot com is still king. How many inbound links are there? How much staff does it take to run the site? How many email addresses do you have?

In the case of a dating site, this is really important. Another factor can be the reverse engineering cost. How much would it cost to build the site from scratch and drive the same amount of traffic to it? And how much time would be involved? What's the lifetime value of a customer on the site? Next week, how to buy a website? And next week we'll be speaking with author Oliver Carter. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again, like to thank my guest, Kevin Stoltz.

Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.