Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 146 with Rosso of Gaming Adult

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Thanks for being with us on Adult Site Broker Talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 56s): Thank you for, for having me. It's always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (3m 1s): Always. So with over 17 years of experience in affiliation and gaming, gaming, adult have become experts in creating, publishing and monetizing the most engaging games in the industry. With over 15 million registered players, they are the two-time winners of the GF Y Awards and the Why Not Awards. By delivering high quality content and building communities with their players, they achieve the best conversion and retention rates on the market using a freemium model gaming adult as the perfect solution to connect affiliates directly with their products by providing the best tools to attract users and make sales Soar tools include animated banners, landing pages, iframes and more, and there's instant stats access with real-time conversion data.

Their most popular games are porn star, harem featuring top porn stars, comics Harem and Heti Harrows featuring Heti characters, gay Harem and Hentai. Clicker Rosso is the founder of Gaming Adult. He can be seen at pretty much all of the main adult shows with his crew. They all sport red suits, but you're gonna know Rosso when you see the blue beard. Before he got into adult Rosso got his masters in marketing from the French Business School, and he was working for Fortune 40 companies in France.

So Rao, when do you think we're gonna actually see sex with robots that can think, talk and move?

Speaker 2 (4m 33s): I really hope soon, but I think it's not happening anytime soon. That's, that's, that's finger the, the problem. It's a very big topic in the, in the industry, especially with the sex tech people that are really working on how to connect gadget, how to connect people, how to make, make, make sex more interactive, and how to develop this idea of mental health and sex as a therapy through tech. And I mean, if you could have there, there are so many people that will need sex therapy or just some modern sex like romance and attention.

And, and if you could replace hookers by therapeutic sex robots, I think it it, it'll be just, just awesome even for sex education.

Speaker 1 (5m 23s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (5m 24s): That, that that would be great. But when is that happening? You have huge problems for this happening anytime soon. First of all, the billionaires of this world are more interested in investing in missiles and killer drones rather than and killer robots instead of true stuff. Yeah. Sex robots, when it's about investing in the, in the doom of humanity, you find billions because I mean, they call it defense. Okay.

Speaker 1 (5m 51s): It's offense.

Speaker 2 (5m 52s): Yeah. It's like the special operation that that Putin is doing in, in Ukraine. It's a special, special operation with Komark of course. And of course it's a special operation that is defense by attacking the people because that's because they feel attacked. And for this they find a lot of money. But will you find money for therapy, mental health, sex education, and sex and robots? There's not only, there's no money for that, but there's also all this prejudice that we have about investing in sex tech and sex in general, that the, the billionaires of these worlds have moralist investors that are evangelists and the conservatists and the prefer to invest Yeah.

In everything that will not give you this freedom and this good health. I I mean, I I might be a bit politicizing this, but just a little, I I think it's a reality that if you have an, if you have an amazing team, an amazing project, and you're going to, to make it happen for sex robots that can really change the world and make the, make people feel better, you won't find money or, or you'll find little money.

Speaker 1 (7m 0s): That's sad. That's sad. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (7m 2s): The amount of money you need for this project is insane. We're talking about insane money. So, but I would love, they'd

Speaker 1 (7m 9s): Rather spend that, they'd rather spend that money killing people. I agree.

Speaker 2 (7m 12s): Yeah. Or making stupid new, stupid social networks. So I'm not, I'm not targeting any billionaire here. Oh, come

Speaker 1 (7m 19s): On, let's target a few. I love

Speaker 2 (7m 24s): Well, the thing is that there's not a lot of billionaires that, that don't deserve targeting. Right. Especially when you about, about freedom of speech. I think a lot of people were hoping that Elon Musk will bring freedom of speech to more freedom in general to Twitter, but I I I don't, I don't think it's happening. I think quite the opposite. So it's really,

Speaker 1 (7m 46s): It's freedom of speech as long as you agree with him.

Speaker 2 (7m 50s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well that's the, that's called dictatorship. No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (7m 56s): Indeed. Indeed. So how do you think they're gonna integrate sex robots with games like yours? How will you do that?

Speaker 2 (8m 5s): There's dreams and the real, there's reality. So we, we can talk about

Speaker 1 (8m 10s): Dreams. Well, let's, yeah, let's dream a little. Why not? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (8m 14s): The things that are our games are really specialized in. So we don't have this very impressive 3D and metaverse and VR and all. Our orientation has always been that we want, we, we want to have amazing 2d, better than very average 3d. And sure, we are back to the topic of price and investment. If you want to make astonishing 3d, like Pixar level 3D or Disney level 3d, it's fortunes, fortunes.

We're talking about millions and millions and millions, right? So if we will dream, we will make games that have, that have ubi soft quality in 3D for, for sex, give me 100 million and I can make you a good 3D game. Give me 1 billion and I might make a prototype for a sex robot. These are the price, the price lines. Sure. So it's hardly realistic. If we are talking about things that could happen, we have discussions with sex toys manufacturers on how to connect them to our games.

But that means like if you want to have an interactivity on a sex scene, it means that our games need also to improve in terms of right now we don't have videos. We are working on that for ster Haram. And when we have videos, we can maybe connect the sex toys that we will have some type of interactivity connected to the video. We talked with the guys of Kiu when we met in Bangkok, and they told us that they've developed art artificial intelligence scripts that can recognize the movements on videos so that your, your sex toy, once it's plugged on you, is going to to move with the, the video itself.

That could be realistic. Now you have all the friction that sex toys are expensive and people that can afford stuff that are going to connect on their genitals to live a sex experience in video and video game. It's not a lot of, well, it's still a niche market. That could be something we do in 2023

Speaker 1 (10m 23s): Actually. Okay. So, so in 2023 you see something where AI, sex and gaming could work

Speaker 2 (10m 30s): Together. That's the thing that we are interested. It's exciting, it's fun. I think we are naturally led to, to this. But now, okay. It's always the thing between the dreams and reality. There's, there's a few layers of madness, but we, we want to try, we won't try. I think it's everything we are doing is going in that direction. So that's it.

Speaker 1 (10m 55s): Okay. So now your company is a leader in adult games, obviously, and many say the leader. What sets your games apart from other adult game companies?

Speaker 2 (11m 7s): I, I think our out core specialization into storytelling and content, I think is the, the, the biggest differentiator because we are really at core into making beautiful games, beautiful gaming experience, beautiful storytelling experience. That's really our stuff. And the people in the team are really fans. We love porn. We, we, we love the, the, the universe, you know, around the porn and the hanai and video games and manga. We are really into that. And the team is really passionate about telling stories on this.

What's setting us apart is really the deep passion for what we do and or we do it. And it's not like money is not important because it is, but it, I think it for, for, for the team and for a lot of people in the team, it, it, the passion comes first, which might explain why we don't make so much money. And the competitors make a lot more money because they're a lot more efficient, they're less into passion and they're more into let's nail the project. And I respect completely their pragmatism.

So sure, maybe in the future we'll be, we'll be a bit more pragmatic, but we still love what we do. And I've, this is, we are seducing our niche. Also, the players that we have are very loyal. We have been, we have players that have been following us for more than six years. Wow. And it's awesome. And we have this, this relationship with people that are really consuming the content in a very loyal way. So that's awesome. I think this is what's, what, what sets us apart. That's we, us being hardcore and also being not into so much into the deep technology, but being more, I mean, of course we have technology, but it's really about the, the storytelling.

Sure. Storytelling to the content. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12m 55s): So do you consider your game he heroes to be entertainment or art? And why is that?

Speaker 2 (13m 3s): I think every content producer might be asking themselves the same question. If you are a YouTuber or you art, or are you entertainment? If you are doing porn, are you art or entertainment? If you are Bruce making podcasts, is it art or entertainment?

Speaker 1 (13m 21s): I don't think mine. I don't think it's either. But anyway,

Speaker 2 (13m 25s): It's an debate. And depending on the egos and desires of the people, the answer will, will, it goes back to the, to the classic qualifications of art. I, I'm, I'm not sure I can really have them in the proper order, but the, you have these antique forms of art that are the, the classicals, the the six architecture, painting, writing out of the scenes or theater opera and all.

And, and, and I got lost already. I have, I have dressed for, did I say music? Maybe music?

Speaker 1 (14m 4s): No, you didn't say music.

Speaker 2 (14m 5s): Of course. That's music. And we've been around with the sixth forms of art for thousands of years. Sure. Until the 20th century. And the 20th century came cinema. And when they started with cinema, they were like, oh, we are a new form of art. And the classicals were like, no, you're garbage. You are not art. You are, you are, you are just some stuff. And we do classics with sculpture, other sculpture that I was missing with sculpture and architecture. We are the classics and you are just rubbish. You are just making stuff that are inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (14m 37s): It's sounding so french as you say that, by the way. I love it.

Speaker 2 (14m 41s): Yeah. I come from a family of academics, so I know, I know. It is. And they were, they, my, my parents are, were art teachers. So yeah, there you go. And, and the seventh form of art, they had to fight 100 years of cinema production to say, no, cinema is not only entertainment, it can be entertainment, but it's also art. And you really have artists doing cinema 100 years. So no, now there's more people fighting for this. And it's not like there's real official academics that say, that say, this is art and this is not, it's, but there's, there's not like an academia of the world artist that say that they define this stuff.

It's accepted that the seventh form of art is cinema. Then the eight form of, of art might be, this is being discussed, media, it, magazines, tv, radio, blogs, podcasts might be of course the old, the, the, the old people that, that of, of this world don't agree on that. And the ninth could be comics, cartoons could be, but that's, and then the 10th form of art could very much be video games.

And I personally consider it is so to have my, my personal answer. But I recently read an interview from Idio. Kojima was one of the most respected and most famous video game creator is the creator of metal and plenty of Japanese games. And he was in the interview, he, he was answering this question saying, no, no, no, no. What we do is not art at all. It's entertainment. So we don't have the pretension that video games is art. It's not art at all.

And coming from the, the guy that will be the most relevant to actually access to the level, to the level of top artist in video games that he himself thinks it's not art. It's so humbling and a bit disturbing. So I don't know what to answer anymore after this. I'm, I'm like, okay, I believe, but if video is not believing, we can believe,

Speaker 1 (16m 53s): There you go. If it's not good enough for him, it's not good enough for you. So, so how did you come up with the crazy idea for red suits at the shows?

Speaker 2 (17m 2s): Is it that crazy?

Speaker 1 (17m 4s): Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17m 5s): I mean, coming from a master in brand marketing like you, I don't, I'm sure you, you know, you know, it's not crazy, you know, it's making a lot of sense. Sure. But yeah, I I I get, I get what you're saying. A lot of people

Speaker 1 (17m 17s): Are, I, I definitely see you guys coming. There's no two ways about it.

Speaker 2 (17m 21s): In, in very short, it's, it's a long work on brand marketing coming with the idea that when you are nobody, you have to, to look like you're somebody. So you actually might become someone at some point because we come from nowhere. So we had to build the, the recognition from the ground up. But there's a, there's a very long and cool story about this because I remember that it's, it really started in Lisbon, I think, think 2014, my wife was animating an exhibition at the embassy and embassy there photo exhibition.

And I, I, I didn't have anything to wear. So we go to Zara and I see this red jacket and I'm thinking, wow, this is impossible to wear. So that's for me. And, and people in the, in the embassy were really complimenting me about it. Like, oh, you have this red, red jacket, it's really cool, looking good on you. And it was like a $30 thing in Zaha. Yeah. And a few, at the time, we, we had a startup in gambling and we went to a show in London in the ice.

And I was like, what do I wear? I, I don't have anything cool and I don't want to look like too formal, even if it's kinda business, but sure. Okay, let, let's try something with this red, red jacket and, and let's, let's have some fun. I mean, gambling people, people are fun. And people were really like wing the jacket, like, wow, this is so cool. So much style. Yeah, insane and very cool. And they were taking selfies. And I was like, whoa, okay. So that's, that's, that's a lot of positive feedback for a $30 jacket.

And the year after I go back to this show, it's, it's like the, the f v show. It's like very close communities where people know each other. It's bigger, but it's the same spirit. Sure. And I go and meet the friends that I met the year before. I say, Hey, hello, are you, this is cool to see you again. They were like, oh, but hey, would, are you back off? Don't come near me WeDo. And I was like, oh no, but you met last year and we were talking about this.

And I was like, oh, but you wear the guy with the red jacket. Why don't you wear your red jacket? And then, then I thought, okay, yeah, I'm the man with the red jacket because if people connect mentally to the red jacket, they will remember me. If I remove the red jacket, I'm another guy. And I was like, okay, let, let's go, let's go full speed on this concept. When I came back in the adult business in 2015, I came back with the red jacket. Yeah. And people were like, wow, this is cool.

And then the concept evolved little by little. It became the red jacket and the red suit, then the red suit for everyone. And every time I've tried to push a little bit the limit of the style and the personal, which led to having my bird red. So red and red actually was not clicking. Amazing. So this is why you will not see the red bird anymore. Yeah. There was purple once, but it was too dark, so it was not so visible. There was blonde, but the same, it's always the same thing.

You, you try, you iterate, you split test and you, you see, and the blonde people were kind of dumping that I might be Norwegian or Danish and that and Red, they were like, the guy must be a ginger from Ireland, but blue, it's okay. I really have comments like, is it natural? I just had it once.

Speaker 1 (20m 59s): Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (21m 1s): Yeah. No, I, I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21m 2s): They walk, they walk among us. Raso, they walk among us.

Speaker 2 (21m 8s): Yeah. I I told the guy, yeah, it's natural. It's a, it's it's a degenerative disease. And the person was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (21m 17s): Sorry, I brought it up. Oh, really? So tell us about some of the new games you guys are working on.

Speaker 2 (21m 26s): We, we, this, this idea of Paul Haram is really one of the first ideas we ever had when, because when we did Anti-Heroes, the time was fucking broke. And I was trying to save the company and pay the debts. And, and we were like, okay, we make a game that where you're going to collect anti characters in a very Pokemon style, but hand tie is going to be Pardes of, of manga and all. It's going to be so cool. And while we were building that, we were like, okay, and we will just, we will build this tech that is going to be a game for collecting and stories and all.

What else could we do if we want to reuse the tech to make new games? So I'm like, okay, the next abuse thing is if you do hand tie, you're going to do comics, comic books.

Speaker 1 (22m 16s): Right.

Speaker 2 (22m 16s): Comics prepare heroes and all that created the game comics that we released last year. And the logic was, what else can you collect that will be cool in Sex universe? It came as a simple answer that, yeah. Collecting porn stars. There, there might be people in this planet that might be willing to connect porn stars, so let's try it. Right? Right. But over the years we tried different versions like making porn stars, but illustrated making porn stars buying some custom shoots with partners.

Right. And we tried so many stuff and it was just impossible and too expensive and, and batched crazy. And we came with this thing of using the pictures and now we want to use videos and to to, to use like non-exclusive content for now. And I've been going to the shows since 2015 and when I was meeting you or meeting the other guys there, there was always this bizarre vibe that people are interested in what we do.

They're curious. I like the open-mindedness of, of the community, but also they were like, yeah, but you are doing something bizarre. You make games and I, and nobody does games and nobody does hand tie, so it's interesting. But can you do something that connects with our industry? For years I've been thinking, okay, how could I connect with dating webcams and all, all the cool stuff to have a concrete conversation and not an abstract conversation.

Sure. And, and that's it. Little by little we've been building the concepts of how can we make a game with models? How can we make a game with pictures and videos? How can we make a game that will interact with the businesses? Sure. Siso we experimented with photo editing, photo editing, creativity, building some muscle there. And it's, it's, I mean it's far from being perfect, but I think it's fairly interesting.

Just recently we've been partnering with models like the number one Twitch Girl amk with cber with a scope cost player that's huge on fan fellowship. And we want to push this concept to ever have to have more games using pictures, videos and models. So this is one of our goals. And next year, early next year, we're going to release our first game using pictures and videos. But with Toss it was going to be TransAm and then there will be gay porn.

And from this maybe we can even make mainstream games with storytelling based on Twitch models and social media models. I mean, that could be extremely fun.

Speaker 1 (25m 4s): Sure. Yeah. You can take it in a number of different directions. When it comes to porn star Harem, how's it going and how are you enjoying the interaction with the porn stars?

Speaker 2 (25m 18s): He laughs Yeah. Yeah, because the interactions with the porn stars can be very fun. Especially when you're on the shows and you go to parties, you go to clubs. Sure. They, they, they're extremely fun people. Sure. So far, all, all the models and the pal have become friends and it's, they, they're people that are educated, open-minded, fun, that like to party and that travel and that have been to so many places. These are the people I like. So by definition it's, it's super cool.

But when you go back to the office and you get, you, you go to the part where you have to chase them to sign contracts, you have to chase them to read the contracts, you have to chase them to have to send you the pictures and all that's a bit less fun.

Speaker 1 (26m 3s): Oh, sure.

Speaker 2 (26m 4s): So as much as they are fun people and all, sometimes you, it been, it's not everyone, but some of them you would love to see a, a different level of professionalism, let's say.

Speaker 1 (26m 15s): They're not all professionals in, in fact it's a, it's probably a small, it's probably a smaller, small percentage. Although I will say in this day and age, it's getting better, especially with all the money available on places like only fans. They are becoming more business people.

Speaker 2 (26m 37s): Yeah. But then you need to really offer them something that is competing with whatever they do on only fan. Yes. Cause it's, it's not like Panim can offer them a $30,000 per month.

Speaker 1 (26m 52s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (26m 53s): Not yet.

Speaker 1 (26m 54s): Not yet. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26m 57s): Working on it.

Speaker 1 (26m 59s): So how is your company being impacted by the new and the upcoming limitations on freedom of speech?

Speaker 2 (27m 7s): Like all the, the adult businesses? We are restrained in our ability to express our art because I believe that's what we do with art and is a pure form of expression. And instead of having the capacity of expressing ourselves and and creating cool stuff, we have to comply with, oh, this platform does not allow wet t-shirt and this platform does not allow that.

You have people smoking cigarettes and this platform does not allow, they don't like this, this appearance of sexual gratification. It's like, what does this mean? No, but there's sexual gratification because the boobs are too big compared to the proportion. And it's appealing to the what? It's, you have dress people and de look too attractive.

Speaker 1 (28m 6s): The world's gone nuts.

Speaker 2 (28m 9s): The, the thing is that since there are no, well, well there are some laws, okay, so we are compliant with all, all the laws, but then when you go to a platform that says, well, the law is something, but we have our own personal morality, and you end up with guidelines of morality that are super different depending on the platform. For example, YouTube allows sex,

Speaker 1 (28m 31s): Oh, don't talk to me right now about YouTube, bro. I just got banned for the second time in, in three weeks, so Oh God. Anyway,

Speaker 2 (28m 40s): Because the sex if shown for educative purposes, I mean, what you do is educative No, it's I dunno.

Speaker 1 (28m 50s): No, they didn't like some of the links that I put put with my podcast. Ah, that's, that's why I, that's why I got my second strike because I linked to a site that has porn.

Speaker 2 (29m 0s): Okay. Yeah. So, but, so let's say YouTube is slightly more permissive somehow, and then, then

Speaker 1 (29m 9s): You get

Speaker 2 (29m 9s): To Facebook and I think Facebook even like, I think even bikinis are too much for them. So

Speaker 1 (29m 17s): I don't know. So far, so far they're we're okay there. My personal page had so many issues, I finally just shut it down and said, I don't wanna do this anymore. But that was during the whole Trump thing and you know, I I I was, I was over it. Yeah. LinkedIn closed my account. I still don't know why they didn't tell me. Wow. And I was paying now they didn't close. I had a premium membership and they just closed me down and then didn't, didn't gimme any explanation.

Speaker 2 (29m 45s): So yeah, I think that's the, we, we all have the same problems that we are being monitored enough and the freedom of pitches is, is becoming a distant concept. We will try to explain our kids and they won't understand. Sure. And I mean, nobody cares because nobody, nobody's willing to stand for that. Some, some rebels here and there are, are trying to stand for the freedom of speech. But the rare species,

Speaker 1 (30m 15s): Nobody's standing up for our industry. That's the problem. You know, with the exception of people inside the industry, people like Free Speech Coalition. But if you, there's very few people, at least in the US Congress that even want to listen to it.

Speaker 2 (30m 31s): The, the moment you're a billionaire and you have, and you have your money on the stock market, you might try to talk about freedom of speech, but then you are going to lose 20% of your capital. So there's, there's not, there's no big incentives to go for this.

Speaker 1 (30m 46s): No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. So it's very sad. It's very, very sad. So tell us a little bit about your lgbtq plus games.

Speaker 2 (30m 60s): Yeah, that's what we were just discussing before. We are going to launch a trans game in a few months, like two months I think. We'll, we'll be ready for

Speaker 1 (31m 12s): When

Speaker 2 (31m 12s): We'll be for cash. Cash

Speaker 1 (31m 14s): And we should have already, that should have already happened by the time this drops. So that's good.

Speaker 2 (31m 19s): These are types of games that to be, to be fair, we are not making them with, in mind making the dimensional profits because when we started doing gay RM back in 2017, anti was working well and we thought, okay, what's the next project we could we make gay version of anti euros? Yes, we could. Is there a business in it? Well, not sure, but let's try. And the conclusion is that it's very small, it's a lot, it's as much work as anti, but for very limited revenues means we are not losing money.

But at this stage it's, it's really a matter of really our own conviction because we could do something more profitable and better and bigger with our teams that are very talented and we are using them on a small game, but we believe it's also important that we sure actually do this type of game. The gay community on G RM is so nice. They are actually super cool and they are very grateful that, that there are some people that care about making a game for the gay community.

So absolutely we are breaking even and we like it and it's cool. It is, it is just natural that we believe that it's nice, it's fun and we won't do everything for massive profits and that's okay. So some, some, some of them are, are, are just projects of natural conviction. And it's hard to put it into words, but Sure. We beat even it.

Speaker 1 (32m 58s): Sure. Well, like you said, your business is all about passion. That's the most important thing is that you believe in what you're doing. And the other thing about the gay space is if you look at it as a whole space, which obviously there's a lot of fragmentation among the gay space, just like there is among the straight space, but the gay consumer tends to be a hell of a lot more loyal than the average straight consumer that I know for a fact.

So while it might not be real profitable in the short term, I think in the long term you guys are gonna do Okay.

Speaker 2 (33m 36s): That's true. No, ma I mean that's, we're going to do okay. Of course it's going to be fine, but it, it'll remain small volumes. So if we have to be very pragmatic about it, we, we won't do it and we'll do something else. But we are not always pragmatic. We, we are passionate about making games Sure. And about some convictions about Yes, yes. Freedom of speech and overall reaching out. I mean, we like to be alternative.

I think that there is something in us that, that we really like to do what nobody's doing. Sure. And, and when I see that there's a type of game that nobody's doing, I'm like, wow, you know, nobody's doing it. Let's do it. Sure. It, it's, it's not completely rational, but

Speaker 1 (34m 26s): I mean, sometimes

Speaker 2 (34m 28s): Life has to be fun. I think, I mean at least that's how we try to live. We want to make it entertaining and, and and exciting and have good relationship and, and so not everything will be about the money. There's people that are approaching me more and more and tell me, but you are a fucking idiot. You could, you could sell your business this amount and you are losing this opportunity and you don't realize that you could do this and that and you're still doing your gay games when you are, you could actually baby doing mainstream games and sell it to Ubisoft and whatever I make, it's 100 million.

I'm like, yeah, okay. But yeah, sounds good. But I don't need that money and it'll not be fun. And if I sell my business to this big gate, I will do exactly the same business. So maybe I don't sell it. And I, and I have fun right now. Right,

Speaker 1 (35m 19s): Exactly. Yeah. And it's all about enjoying what you do and yeah. Hey, if you're, if you're in the game business and you're not having fun, then I think there's something wrong with you.

Speaker 2 (35m 32s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (35m 34s): So finally, do you remember when and and where we first met? I know it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (35m 41s): Oh yeah, I do. I do. It's, it's, it's actually a very important thing. We met in WMA Amsterdam at the time. We were fucking broke and we were just getting out of the gambling and we were just trying our, we were in and out with the, with the adult business. We stopped in 2010. Then I was angry with the industry thinking that a lot of people are sharks and don't have values. And I wanted something I dreamed about, I dreamt about the mainstream people being so amazing and so nice and educated and cool.

Speaker 1 (36m 21s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36m 22s): Right. And then got very disappointed with the slowness and the politics and the overall bullshit. When I came back in the adult business, you were one of the first person that were like, oh, you are new, let's talk. And we had a beer in this barbecue bar next to the river that there was a side party after. I

Speaker 1 (36m 42s): Remember, I remember that party. I remember that party. Yes. I think it was actually in the fall cuz it was wma. But

Speaker 2 (36m 49s): Anyway, yeah, yeah, it was in, it was in fall. It was in fall.

Speaker 1 (36m 52s): I remember that party. I've actually got some pictures from there. They may actually book the

Speaker 2 (36m 56s): Senate. Oh, maybe you can find something in the archives.

Speaker 1 (36m 59s): I'll, I'll look, I'll look.

Speaker 2 (37m 1s): But that's awesome. I remember that you were very, very kind with me and

Speaker 1 (37m 7s): Only way to be,

Speaker 2 (37m 7s): And I mean there was you and that was JFK that were super nice. Like, okay, you are in the business apparently you, you don't know what you are doing. And, and you took the time to really tell me stuff and I was like, wow, this guy is so cool. And Bruce is, I really, I remember the old smart you were with your boxes with business cards that had your advertising on it. And I was like, okay, that's, that's, that's nice. So I remember very well and thank you very much for being there at the time.

Speaker 1 (37m 40s): Well, you know, my philosophy has always been to be kind to people and to, and I know Elon Musk has the same philosophy supposedly, but let's, let's separate the two right now. It's all about just everyone's the same. I don't care if you own a multi-billion dollar company or if you're brand new outta college, new in an industry, whatever. I just like people, I like working with people and what ends up happening, if you have that philosophy and I know you have the same philosophy because knowing you and talking to you so many times it shows it's, it's just all about talking to people.

BSing at shows, having a drink and you never know what might come of it. If business comes of it, great. If business doesn't come of it, that's fine. You know, it's interesting. I'll tell you a story. I used to work at a radio station, which I think I've told you, and I had a sales manager, he was Israeli and this guy had a very, very white and black look at the world. Either you were with me or you were against me. Mm. Okay. Probably had something to do with fighting in the six day war, I'm not sure.

Anyway, he was a drill sergeant in the army. So this guy, and he was our sales manager. He was like, if someone spent money with the radio station, he loved them. If somebody didn't, they were fucking assholes. And I would be like, no, this is a really nice person. Okay, they're my friend. Just because they haven't spent money with us doesn't make them a fucking asshole. It just means that they don't have a reason to spend money with us yet.

And, and I just can't understand people that are that white and black about the world. Money is certainly not everything. Money's important because you need money to get by. But you know, I'm 65 now and I, I believe it more than I've ever believed it that it's really all about people and it's, you know, it's just about being nice to folks and just the rest will take care of itself.

Speaker 2 (39m 52s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (39m 53s): So, well that's a great note to leave it. Rosso, I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Life Broker Talk and I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (40m 2s): I hope too. It's always a pleasure, Bruce, thank you very much for the opportunity and well got speed and I hope to see you soon.

Speaker 1 (40m 11s): The pleasure is all mine. My broker tip today, it's part five of Hana Buy an adult website. Well, last week we talked about how to determine the value of a site, how to negotiate the sale and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you're talking to your attorney and you're having them draft an agreement. What should be in it? Well, your attorney will guide you through the legal side, but here are some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint. What's the date you'd like to close? Make sure you know that you'll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase by that date.

I've had buyers who aren't ready and that just causes issues. Make sure that all of the assets you're purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with vendors, all records including 2 25 7 data software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites. Of course it should spell out any payment schedule if there is one who's responsible for closing costs such as paying for escrow.

And there are always terms that are unique to yours and the seller's situation. This assumes you're the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is drawing up the agreement, then it's important that you express all of this to your, your attorney so they can check the seller's agreement and see if any changes are necessary. We'll talk about the subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with Todd Spaits of Yanks Cash. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk.

I'd once again like to thank my guest, Rosso of Gaming Adult. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.