Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 118 with actor and comedian Dan Frigolette

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Now time for this week's interview. My guest today on adults side, broker talk is comedian and actor. Dan . Dan, thanks for being with us today on adult site. Broker talk.

Speaker 0 (2m 33s): Hey, what's going on, man? Thank you for having me again.

Speaker 2 (2m 37s): Yeah, we, we started in Zencaster my recording platform had a little bit of a glitch, so we're starting over.

Speaker 0 (2m 46s): It was me. I feel like I always feel like I'm the guy.

Speaker 2 (2m 49s): No, it wasn't you. It was me.

Speaker 0 (2m 51s): Oh, could you see them? Do you see the movie lock on Disney at

Speaker 2 (2m 54s): No,

Speaker 0 (2m 55s): Eric you're on there. The premise of the whole thing is that there's book. Good luck and bad luck. There's a character on there. That's has only bad luck right now. That's me. So I think everything that goes wrong right now between what's going on is me. It's my fault. Completely. A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (3m 8s): Okay. I'll blame

Speaker 0 (3m 9s): Responsibility. Okay.

Speaker 2 (3m 10s): Okay. It's all your fault. So let's, let's tell everyone about you. Dances, Stantec, comic and actor who has been seen on the Bob and Tom show. HBO is boardwalk empire. Show me a hero, younger, sexy beasts, or a younger, sexy beast. Now those are two different things, but following the Wendy Williams show and the RD Lang show is the executive producer of the apartment ship. Dan has played numerous venues and comedy festivals around the country. You got to start in Syracuse, New York, and now he's in New York city circuit, regular Dan finds joy and traveling the country to small towns to entertain people.

He travels the country with this pit mation tests, raising money for various animal charities and rubbing people's bellies. His first comedy album naked and amused comedy at a nudist colony came out in late 2017. Dan also has quite a footprint and adult. He hosted the inked awards in 2019, any hosts, the sexy people podcast, formerly porn stars are people on the podcast. Dan hosts, sex positive icons in order to de-stigmatize and normalize sexuality, gender, and feeling comfortable with the human body adult film stars, talk relationships, politics, art animals, friends, family travel, and have a lot of fun doing it all without talking a lot about porn, the sexy people, podcast hopes to humanize comedians, adult stores, and listeners alike to see that life is not just about labels, judgments, and critiques.

So Dan, first off, let's talk about the podcast. Why did you originally start doing it?

Speaker 0 (4m 48s): I'm so excited that that intro is incredible and hearing it twice as incredible. Each 72, my intro, I like staying in the corner. Like I just scored a touchdown with two fingers in the air.

Speaker 2 (4m 56s): Well, if you want them, if you want to take me on the road with you, I can do, I can do all your, I can do all your introductions or you can just, or you can just buy the tape.

Speaker 0 (5m 6s): Yeah, yeah. And then just play it. No, I want the live guy, all the guys on, on like, like what's the, what was the guy who introduced Bob Barker? Who's the guy who introduced Alex. Shabak those guys. Those are big deal, guys. I need that. I need that. I need one of those and just in studio and that's all you do. You just intro me and then you can fuck off and you made money.

Speaker 2 (5m 28s): It doesn't pay well,

Speaker 0 (5m 30s): It's gotta pay. Well, that's the whole thing we're going for is hopefully that I can make a career out of this thing. Got it. 60 people podcast. I don't know, man, you, you kind of nailed it. It was called porn stars or people. I was having trouble with censorship and everywhere on the internet. That wants to be a bad word. Won't want to be a bad word. Right? And so I was running a show called porn stars or people. And I was running a show called porn stars or comedians alive events at the various sex fairs in the U S and, and porn conventions.

And I would get a flag on the event calendars that said the word porn was, was profanity. And that blew my mind. And having porn being near porn, going to AVN has always gotten me flagged on Instagram. So it's, it's just, it's like the opposite of clickbait. It's like advertising kryptonite. Right? And so Facebook, Instagram and YouTube have been flagging me nonstop. And so I came and I changed the name to sexy people, podcasts, same from podcasts. But what's also crazy is in the amount of time that I've been doing the podcast, the phrase porn star has become null and void.

So whereas when I started, there was people that would literally walk in there and be like, you've got damn right. I'm a porn star now. Everybody's kind of like, no, I'm like, and we've really taken on this sex worker title. And we've really taken on, you know, like cam artists or like content or for later. Right. Yeah. And that's more important than like saying porn star.

Speaker 2 (7m 2s): Right.

Speaker 0 (7m 3s): And so I have to change with the times. So I'm trying to do that.

Speaker 2 (7m 6s): Yeah. And there's so many attacks, so many attacks to the adult industry. And we'll talk a little bit about that later. Talk a bit about the adult entertainment industry. It's really rare to find someone outside the business spend so much time and effort promoting a normalizing it while also having a great understanding of what we do. How do you feel like you came to this point?

Speaker 0 (7m 32s): Well, I'm a dirty little slot and I always wanted to like reconcile some of those feelings and those emotions. And, and, and even like now I'm in therapy. I'm realizing that like a lot of my sexual behavior might be compulsive or like a stress relief and all those sorts of things. So like even the like holistic, I don't know what better word I want. Like the healthy aspects of sex and masturbation or even things that are like looked down upon and porn for me has always been sort of a mass masturbatory, like, like add on.

So my, the starting point is I need to come. And the finishing point is I need some, some help and some aid. And porn's always been there for me. Porn always delivers. Right. And so that's where it came in for me. And so the other thing that I found really interesting once I first initially had the idea to do this thing was, was I started listening to other podcasts that had porn stars on. And I, and I realized the amount of disrespect that porn stars and sex workers were getting on podcasts.

They're either brought on to, to be a one trick pony. Tell me about giant dicks or they're literally like treated like their opinion. Doesn't matter in less, we're talking about swallowing cock. And I hated that. And what I've learned from having the podcast is that, especially in today's day and age, the BTS and the, the like knowledge of the performer informs the fantasy that people are paying for.

And so if the fantasy is about the actual person, right? If I actually like want Janice Griffith to be my girlfriend in my head, knowing as much about her as possible is really important to me. And that's the thing I'm going to come about. And four and two. And so there's a place where my podcast fills that gap a little bit where like, when we get to learn interesting, weird facts like that, Lexi Luna is a grammar Nazi. And I think that's really fun.

Speaker 2 (9m 38s): Do you anticipate that people are whacking off to your podcast?

Speaker 0 (9m 42s): Th th this is a great question. So in my head, it's no right then, but then when I look at the data, Advita how long people are listening. I found out that yes, You will be willing to listening to an amount that doesn't make sense unless they just came. Right. So I think, I think what happens, I think people find my podcast in a search for the person that they want to make them come get static. And they listen to the podcast for a little bit, and they either stay because they've enjoyed what they've heard or they go away.

And, and so what I hoped to do was to do was to get the guy who wanted to come to Natalie night and retain them. I don't know if I've done that. And I don't know where the fan base comes from, but I hope it's, I hope it's that safe space where, where people are enjoying what they're hearing and they want to hear more and they want to find out about the other guests. But what I do find a little bit in the trolley YouTube comments is it's mostly somebody came to see Kimmy Kaboom, and then they don't like that. I'm even there.

And that's, those are hilarious listeners.

Speaker 2 (10m 50s): I love it. So the adult industry is under a massive attack by the religious, right? Like we've never seen before in our history, they're going after the credit card companies are trying to shut off our sources of revenue. Give me your thoughts on that.

Speaker 0 (11m 5s): Since this all makes sense to me now, I didn't know it was happening like that. I would, I would actually like some more background from you, but what I do know for sure is,

Speaker 2 (11m 14s): Well, I mean, did you hear that MasterCard shut down PornHub?

Speaker 0 (11m 19s): No. Yeah. Recently?

Speaker 2 (11m 21s): Yeah. Not too long ago. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (11m 23s): No, I didn't know that. So I knew the thing that hit me the hardest was only fans trying to pull their, their policy on, on, on adult content and then them backing off because they're like, oh shit. But I understood a piece that maybe some other people didn't understand, which is the reason why they were doing that was because they went to investors and investors, just like the people don't want my buck. As we call porn stars are people. They went to investors and the investors were like, I can't give you money. And they're like, why? This is a 5 billion industry.

And they're like, yeah, but et cetera, whatever the et cetera is. And there's a thousand, et cetera. And it all based in the idea that, and it's a good understanding this, the starting point is, well, the Bible says you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to. The longer our country exists late. Well, that's not true. Let's, let's rephrase lately. We are more evangelical than ever. I never would have predicted that. I thought we were doing a good job. Even just being in the podcast. I thought we were doing a good job of moving away from like religious fanaticism, but we're not.

And the last administration really did a number on, on digging us deeper into ideas that I thought we all decided were silly.

Speaker 2 (12m 39s): Yeah. I think it would be who've you with your podcast

Speaker 0 (12m 44s): As somebody jumps to move on me

Speaker 2 (12m 47s): To explore that just a tad bit more. I know it's a little bit off topic, but there are organizations that are really going after adult and they're being successful and they're getting a lot of funding because of the religious. Right.

Speaker 0 (13m 8s): And I wish we as an organization, like a group of people, not an organization, but I wish we were a stronger in binding together to become a superpower against that. The amount of money that this industry makes, we should figure out a way to combat.

Speaker 2 (13m 25s): Yeah. I mean, there are there, there's the free speech coalition that is the legislative arm and they've had their successes. Okay. But when, when it's, when it's a wave of attacks, it's very, very difficult to stop. And right now that's where the industry's at. I don't think it's ever been this bad.

Speaker 0 (13m 49s): Yeah. I mean, well, arguably it was, you know, you know, like all the transition points, it was this bad, you know, hustlers transition point, this bad Playboys transition point this bad every time where we there's like a little bit of a change and a, and a chunk of progress, somehow they find a way to try to scale us back. And obviously get a period of time when my country wants to repeal Roe V. Wade, of course, anything that could be like sex, sex based.

What's what's the big word, prurient, obscene, any of these things they want to be redefined.

Speaker 2 (14m 29s): Right.

Speaker 0 (14m 31s): Horrible time. Apparently it would be for comedy because it's the same, it's part of the same idea. It's this freedom of, of, of expression.

Speaker 2 (14m 39s): Yes.

Speaker 0 (14m 40s): Is the thing that we're attacking. Yes. And

Speaker 2 (14m 43s): Yeah. I'll talk. Well, I do. I actually, yeah, I do. I actually do have some, do have some questions about that for you, for you as well, because freedom expression, the first amendment, all of that is under, under major attack. And it all seems to be coming from the same place. So, well, no, not necessarily the same place. That's not.

Speaker 0 (15m 3s): Are you finding that in other countries? Are you finding that in places that you do business that that's

Speaker 2 (15m 7s): Oh, it's worldwide. No, it's worldwide. Oh yeah.

Speaker 0 (15m 12s): How is the church so organized? That's my question.

Speaker 2 (15m 15s): It's not just the church, unfortunately. It's not just the church. Don't we jump into that. Okay. As you said, not only is it adult than under attack, but comedy's been attacked a lot, especially by like the woke police, whether it's Christopher rock getting slapped for telling a joke or Dave Chappelle being attacked on stage, or even the president of the United States, such as he was calling bill Maher, calling them out, comics are being assaulted both physically and in the media.

How do you deal with this as a comic?

Speaker 0 (15m 50s): Well, where that's not like, this is what, this, this is the best way to explain it. It's not uncommon for us. Like the idea that like you might get hunched for a joke has always existed. Like, there's all these great stories for comedians that are big. Now, Jim gaff, again, just like he was on stage. Somebody is doing a thing they're heckling, he's six, four. He's always been 220 pounds. He walked off stage and he started punching a guy. Like, like, it's not like, there's never really been a good bouncer culture to our thing.

And, and at baseline comedy is eight people in a basement. Right. So like that, you got to understand. It's like, you know, it's just like, just like porn is like, it's, it's two people in a camera, which hilariously, like, that's one of the main selling points now. But like, that's the, that's all you need. Right. And so for government, you need a mic and a couple of people and that's dangerous. And so comedians we've always had to like, figure out how to like, and even as a child is one of the reasons I am a comedian. I had tumultuous relationships as a child. So like my whole, my whole like sense of being was how do I make somebody laugh before they punch me?

Who like, that's it, how do I, how do I make this person laugh? So I don't get hit. And that's kind of like what it is. And that's why I thought it was crazy actually about the Chris rock thing. And this is all I'll say about this. Cause everybody has been exhausted. The,

Speaker 2 (17m 8s): Yeah, nobody wants to hear about it, but it exists.

Speaker 0 (17m 11s): How Chris rock, wow. Will Smith is walking up to stage while he's not just peppering him with more and more insults. Like if you're walking on stage and you're coming from me and I know you're coming from me, maybe I don't think, cause it's the Oscars I'm going to get hit. But that's silly because a person's a person and hitting can happen no matter what is going on. So I'm going to pepper him until there's, he, there's nothing left of that person. By the time they get to this stage, like, he

Speaker 2 (17m 36s): Didn't have a chance. He didn't have a chance. He didn't say

Speaker 0 (17m 38s): Anything. He like, he just, he backed off and, and it's like, the, the damage was done. So he got hit. So he should have just kept, he cut. She had kept going, kept going, pop, pop, pop, pop.

Speaker 2 (17m 48s): He's certainly capable.

Speaker 0 (17m 51s): Yeah. And just assault his character, man. This is somebody who's coming for you. He's coming for your profession, coming for your, for your, for the microphone. More than anything else. This is what you value the most is being able to speak. And they're coming for that. Maybe he just takes the mic. Right? My favorite thing to do, and this is, and this is a good way to bridge the conversation when I'm met with like aggression and male aggression, like as if a person in the audience is going to like run on stage and beat me up, I meet that aggression with their homophobia.

So like I had a guy once and he was like, he like got up and he was like, oh, you want to go outside and all this. Cause I'm like telling a joke about him. Maybe I'm doing a riff about what's going on, whatever, whatever. Maybe it's about him. And he said, want to go outside. And then, so I made it about, he wants to go outside so we can make out. I was like, sir, if you want to make out, we can do it right here. We don't got to go outside and get all private. And that, that thing, dad, his cause he's cause now he doesn't know that it

Speaker 2 (18m 47s): Stopped him in his tracks

Speaker 0 (18m 49s): And he got the laugh and that's what it is. I'm here to survive. And I built up a skill that has a, a real place in, in the world. And, and at baseline survival, how do I not get hit in the face? Make him make him think one of us is gay. And we don't know which one it is. What do people that want to punch dudes in the face hate the most?

Speaker 2 (19m 15s): Oh yeah.

Speaker 0 (19m 15s): Two men kissing.

Speaker 2 (19m 18s): Absolutely. And by the way you mentioned Roe V. Wade and porn, LGBTQ plus rights are all tied in as well as gay marriage is now in danger.

Speaker 0 (19m 34s): I'm going to pull gay marriage. We're going to pull all of this stuff,

Speaker 2 (19m 37s): Going to make porn illegal. I mean, it's all, it's all rolled together. So we're worried when we hear about Roe V Wade, it definitely impacts this industry.

Speaker 0 (19m 48s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19m 49s): Yeah. And it, it impacts comedy because what's next. What, right. What right. Is next? That's the question. What's the next thing they're going to take away.

Speaker 0 (20m 1s): It's about freedom of speech. So a thing that a lot of people don't understand is that places without freedom of speech, standup comedy is illegal. So South Africa, for example, South Africa did not have freedom of speech until 1994. I believe that means that up comedy was literally illegal until 1994. That was so not that long ago, that was very close to now. Right. That was a period of time. Like we thought that it was okay. Well, I guess we didn't think was okay. We, we, we did everything we could to try to make apartheid stop. One of the main things that held up apartheid was not being able to say how you feel and not being able to date who you want and not being able to marry or fuck who you want.

And that's, it is it's all rolled together and

Speaker 2 (20m 42s): It is, but America's supposed to be different. We have a constitution, we have the first amendment. We

Speaker 0 (20m 50s): Believe that all forms of it,

Speaker 2 (20m 53s): But all forms of expression, whether it be art, film, news, media, comedy, or porn, they're supposed to be protected. But slowly we see these protections eroding. And the sad part is it's not just right or just left. It's both sides of the political aisle on the left. You got the woke police on the right. You got people telling them what they can do or what they can do with their bodies. So what's going on with the country. And how do you think we can turn this around?

Speaker 0 (21m 23s): I mean, I, I, you know, I'm trying to get dual citizenship in Italy. I don't know that we're turning this thing around, man. I don't think that we, like, I didn't think we could go backwards on the bus and start ripping off things that, that we already accomplished. But the fact that we didn't even like, and again, if you, you know, you want to call it the PR the, the, the woke police, that side has not been looking at things that we've accomplished as up on the platter for things that could get decommissioned or whatever good words are.

And so we're, we're looking at the wrong stuff and, and the right is going no, everything, everything that we always believe we're going to, we're going to keep to it. The things that we believed in 1855 and 17, 76 and 1492, we're just going to hold onto that stuff. And we live a lot. America lives, this lie that moved here for religious freedom, but it wasn't about religious freedom. It was where can I start my mob of this other religion that we're not really supporting where we live?

How do we do what another country is already doing, but with a different set of ideals, and that's all we've done. It's this thing about police brutality. We have a blind eye in the U S to gun violence and police brutality. And so what happens is we want to talk about those two things. And then we either pretend like we don't know what the problem is, or we pretend like the salute that the solution is not obvious. And we love living that lie because we don't really want,

Speaker 2 (22m 56s): And it's so obvious. It's so obvious. I hate to say it. And some of my gun loving friends will hate me for this. But what Australia did is, is the best solution

Speaker 0 (23m 7s): Done. Get ready to

Speaker 2 (23m 8s): End. There have to be laws, getting weapons of war off the streets.

Speaker 0 (23m 16s): And you know, the thing that tries to hold up, a lot of people, it's this idea that like a, that like a well-equipped militia could, could like handle an army. And it's like, you're not doing it, man. No amount of guns are going to stop drones from ending your house. Like there's no matter what thing you can buy the government's got something bigger, no matter what, it's that idea. It's like, you know, no matter how big a guy is, there's always a bigger guy. Like

Speaker 2 (23m 43s): Police departments have have more tools. Now that they've gotten from the defense department, then you could ever have,

Speaker 0 (23m 51s): Right. And don't know me recently that police have never been here for the citizens. Police are, are the military of local government. And that's it until we understand that. Luckily for most of my life, I haven't had to be in many situations where I had to call the cops. But when I was 20, I had to be in a situation, right. To call the cops thinking that, oh, the police are here to protect me. And what I found immediately was they're here to intensify the situation that exists and, or put me in a situation as a citizen where I no longer have rights to protect myself.

That's it? There's no like call the cops cause they're gonna help the citizen. It's take a citizen off the streets or say that it isn't their responsibility. Those are the only two options. And I find that horrible. I think there's a joke here, but I can't figure it out. The idea that like, if you watch, like, if you're, if you, if you don't believe that police brutality exists, just watch any episode of cops. Every episode of cops is like the cops, like to the last one I watched was a guy got caught in the fence, running from the cops.

And then they made fun of him for 20 minutes without helping them. I'm not unconfident that like his leg is like permanently injured because you guys like cotton offense. And they just, they told him he shouldn't have ran rather than helped him.

Speaker 2 (25m 15s): And

Speaker 0 (25m 16s): That's low key police brutality. And,

Speaker 2 (25m 18s): And they're supposed to, they're supposed to give medical aid if someone's injured. And I I've seen tape of people dying while they were supposed to get medical aid,

Speaker 0 (25m 28s): Knock a guy down and then yell at him for making you push him down. It's high, key bullying and low key police brutality or vice versa.

Speaker 2 (25m 36s): Yeah. I mean, I, I tend to think that not all police play that way. I've seen instances where police have assisted. And I also have friends who have been police, some of the most prejudice people that I know that'll tell you, and they're all far right wing. But at the same time, I do think there are some dedicated people in the police force.

Speaker 0 (26m 2s): And I appreciate the political thing. And I'll remove that like that. Like, and I'm not saying I'm against cops. I'm saying, if you watch the show cops, I didn't name it. If you watch the show, cops, every episode is some form of bullying.

Speaker 2 (26m 15s): I'm sure being on the road, you've seen your share of episodes

Speaker 0 (26m 19s): And this is no political. I'm not putting any political, anything on it. I'm just telling you if you watch the show, it is very clearly. If you had to, like, if you had to like explain to a child, what bullying is, you would just throw on an episode of cops and maybe, and I'm sure I'm sure cops are doing great things, but I don't know what they filmed, but the show is a pretty, pretty clear case of a bullying.

Speaker 2 (26m 39s): Yeah, indeed. It's been a while, but the ones I've seen, I will agree with you. So let's go back to comedy for a second. Who are some of your role models in comedy both past and present?

Speaker 0 (26m 52s): It's really hard to say because it's like, when you don't know what something is, right. I don't have a good example is I've never, I've never been, I've never been, I've never figured out how to, how to say what I want to say. But if you don't have a good example of the thing, because you're brand new, like I'm, I'm, I I've never done comedy when you're a kid, you don't think George Carlin is fantastic. You don't understand comedy, right? Like just like people that are in a comedy, like they loved Dane cook because it wasn't really proficient comedy. It was fun and entertaining.

And it's like, you know, it's like the, it's like the pad Thai as a perfect example. It's like the pad Thai of comedy, Dan cook, everybody loves it. Everybody loves it. And it's not, it's not difficult. It's not culinarily challenging. Right. And so you start off loving pad Thai and you know, eventually you move on to red Curry and Patsy you, and it's just the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (27m 49s): You do need to come to Thailand if, for no other reason to eat the real stuff.

Speaker 0 (27m 54s): Yes. And that's my point. It's, that's why it's a good example. It's like, it's like brisket to brisket for people

Speaker 2 (28m 0s): To, by the way.

Speaker 0 (28m 2s): Yes. Well, listen, I'm on my way. So make room on your couch. So

Speaker 2 (28m 7s): Absolutely. But

Speaker 0 (28m 8s): The

Speaker 2 (28m 9s): Thing is, would love to hang out

Speaker 0 (28m 11s): When you don't have any information to inform you. You think that bad things are good. So I started liking bad comedy and I'm embarrassed by who I liked, but who I like now are good comedians

Speaker 2 (28m 25s): Who impresses you today?

Speaker 0 (28m 29s): Tim Dylan, bill Burr. Some of these are, you know, all this obvious choice, but drew Michael, these are all people that are, and that are challenging. The art form, Tim Delan has figured out how to have the right and the left like him for different reasons. And I think that's brilliant, especially right now, because right now you have to pick a side and that's what people are doing. You don't already have an established fan base. Now that we're so far apart on the left and right thing, you have to pick a side and then just try to like eat whatever's left, you know? And Tim Dolan has figured out that like the right, does it understand what he's doing?

So they take him literally and the left understands what he's doing. And so they take him as, as satire. And maybe he's neither, but both like him. And they both like them for different reasons. And that's brilliant. So the lab thinks that he's, that he's like saying things that he means the opposite and the right things. He means it because he means it.

Speaker 2 (29m 23s): I've heard some really good political comedy over the years. And I watch bill Maher every week. And I think he's still brilliant. Although he does rubbed me the wrong way about a lot of things, especially some of his views on COVID and down talking people who are overweight. Like

Speaker 0 (29m 43s): I also don't think he's pro sex work.

Speaker 2 (29m 45s): No, he isn't. No, no. He is not.

Speaker 0 (29m 48s): He's kind of a sledgehammer.

Speaker 2 (29m 50s): Yeah. He is John and John Oliver is a lot more open. In fact, he did an episode. I don't know if you saw the episode that John Oliver did on, on sex work and it was wrong. Well, his show was brilliant though. I mean,

Speaker 0 (30m 5s): John Minaj before he got canceled, had a really good show that, that, that hit the, the other side of a lot of things that I never understood. He did such a good job. I don't know if he touched it in there, but anybody who's doing stuff about sex work I'm for that. And I just got a question. Who's the most sex positive late night show host

Speaker 2 (30m 22s): Either Cole bear or Trevor Noah probably. But those are the two that I've probably watched the most. And I haven't, I haven't been watching late night comedy just like I haven't been watching news because ever since January 6th I've really been avoiding us politics. I'm just so disgusted by everything. You know, I love Dan. I scanned the New York times. I watch Mar and I watch all of her and I get little bits and pieces there. But other than that, I've just kind of put my head in the sand because it's so disgusting.

It's fair.

Speaker 0 (30m 54s): Who, you know, who I think you'll love. Hmm. Cause they cause they, they, they add a little lightness to the, to the problem is the good liars is a guy I went to college with and he got a partner and they they're, they're three movies deep. And they're, you know, they're, they're on various platforms and various levels of actually being invested in. But so they're under the radar a little bit, but they, they basically go to these rallies and they troll the people. And so they'll go to the, they'll go to the January

Speaker 2 (31m 21s): Reunion

Speaker 0 (31m 22s): And there'll be like, what are, what are you guys talking about? And they'll, and th these, these people will be like, oh, we're celebrating January six. And they go, oh, were you there? And then they go, no, that was Antifa dressed as us. And we're like, well, and so, and they do such a good job of walking the line of being like, I'm interviewing you, but also exposing that you're absurd.

Speaker 2 (31m 44s): Think of the guy who used to be on the daily show, but he's got his own show on comedy central now. And he does that stuff all the time. That's pretty much his stick is to like Trump, Trump rallies.

Speaker 0 (31m 58s): Is he, does he have his own show?

Speaker 2 (31m 60s): Yeah. He, well, he did

Speaker 0 (32m 1s): Really good at that white guy. Weird hair.

Speaker 2 (32m 3s): Yeah.

Speaker 0 (32m 4s): I didn't know, you know, honcho,

Speaker 2 (32m 6s): I don't know if he has weird hair. He's pretty normal hair. But anyway, this guy used to be on the daily. He used to be, he used to be on the daily show and, and he's got his own bit and that's pretty much his shtick is going to go to Trump rallies and asking questions and going, oh yeah, I agree. Oh definitely. And then he'll say something and the person who's obviously a complete Nutter. Moron will look at him.

Speaker 0 (32m 31s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32m 32s): And he doesn't know if he's being insulted or what, and he's definitely being insulted.

Speaker 0 (32m 37s): So

Speaker 2 (32m 38s): I wish I could think of his name, but I can't think of it right now. And he's,

Speaker 0 (32m 43s): I'm trying to figure, I'm trying to I'm on the website. He was,

Speaker 2 (32m 45s): He was wanting to Trevor Noah's lieutenants who, who did a lot of that stuff. And then they, they, he had his own, his own gig. So

Speaker 0 (32m 54s): He has his own show.

Speaker 2 (32m 56s): So you went from comedy to acting or acting to comedy.

Speaker 0 (33m 0s): Really? What happened was not a lot of money in comedy. So you go, what else can I do? And you know, to be a good comedian, you gotta be able to do a myriad of things. And one of those things obviously is that you gotta be able to sell what your jokes are. So I had an opportunity to do, honestly, most of the stuff you read off is like stuff that I did as a comedian or some level of like, yeah, Klepper, that's his name? Jordan, Jordan

Speaker 2 (33m 30s): Klepper, Jordan Klepper

Speaker 0 (33m 32s): Show. That's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (33m 33s): He is good.

Speaker 0 (33m 34s): Same vibe, except he comes at it like he's. So that's a perfect example we talked about before. It's like, he's not afraid of violence. He's going to say what he means. And it's funny. And it seems like he should be getting punched in the face more. And I do think he has weird

Speaker 2 (33m 48s): Hair. Absolutely.

Speaker 0 (33m 51s): I realizing that. I mean, it's not, it's not it's it's and it's, and I wish it came in this business with a better business sense, but it's like, you might have people who want to go to comedy clubs and the men here that want to see comedy is very limited. Whereas I think it's a little, like the numbers thing. It's like, it's like 6.4 million or something, something I just put in a business plan. And the people that want to like watch movies is way more. So you're like, okay, I guess I should do that. That seems, that seems more important. But most of the shows I was on, I was trying to either be a community and be funny, or get no notice for being a comedian so that the fame that I would get elsewhere would then put me in a position to do more comedy.

That's really what it is. Sure. So that's really what it comes down to

Speaker 2 (34m 38s): What attributes that you comic, sorry,

Speaker 0 (34m 42s): 17 million. I just looked it up and move on my business. 17 million people visit comedy clubs a year out of what do we have? 380 million in the U S 17 million.

Speaker 2 (34m 54s): I used to go all the time when I lived there.

Speaker 0 (34m 56s): And so it's a small, really is a small sector of people. And it's like,

Speaker 2 (35m 1s): Yeah, I got a lot of free tickets. Cause I worked for the radio

Speaker 0 (35m 4s): And they're trying to keep here. Yeah. The gen bring you there. But

Speaker 2 (35m 7s): Well also because I worked in radio, so even the ones that wouldn't normally be free, I always got free tickets. I CA I don't think I've ever paid to go to a comedy club. Yeah, no, I don't think I ever have,

Speaker 0 (35m 21s): And I've never paid for my porn. Okay. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (35m 25s): I, I, I was in radio 21 years, so

Speaker 0 (35m 28s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35m 30s): So what attributes that you have as a comic help you as an actor, we

Speaker 0 (35m 35s): Love to hang on to this thing. We go, we go, bill Burr says it on, on, on interviews. We've said it about Robin Williams. We love this idea as comedians that like teach comedy. And so being funny is like more important. So it's like, but at the same time, like you can obviously write something funny and the actor can deliver it because they're an empty vessel. Right. So they can just be funny for that moment, but you can't use comedy, but you can teach somebody how to act or be like dramatic. So we hang onto this idea whether it's true or not. And so the idea that like a comedian makes a better dramatic actor, longterm might be true, you know, and as a comedian, what you do need to do is you need to have empathy.

You need to understand how to dive into like a character, maybe in your story. And you have to figure out point of view and you have to figure out how, you know, a myriad of people feel right. In a particular situation. So we're more in touch with your feelings. We're more in touch with like, we're like where people Watchers, right. We comedians a lot of times are good impersonators. So there is an element of like, how do I understand humans more? Which is a good thing. I think good actors can do that too.

Right? You have to understand how somebody would, would react or be in a situation. And for communities, it's kind of like, it's like our obsession. It's our unconscious obsession

Speaker 2 (36m 54s): Makes sense. You know, you've mentioned Robin Williams, Robin, Billy, crystal, some, some of the other great. Do any of those have an impact on, on your style?

Speaker 0 (37m 6s): Sure. So my style honestly was like a combination of like Wendy Liebman and then probably bill Cosby and bill Cosby is a great, but it's hard because now you're like, all my idols from the eighties have a, have a court case now, you know? And so you're in this, you're in this spot where you're like, cool. Do I say,

Speaker 2 (37m 24s): Yeah, when you say bill cost me now, it's not like, when you said bill Cosby 15 years ago.

Speaker 0 (37m 29s): Right. Right. And, and yeah. And it's a, it's a really bad word and it's tough. And then it also, it's a question you have inside yourself. You're like, how come everybody, I liked as a child was a pervert. What does that say about me? And for me, maybe that maybe that informs why I have the podcast. Right. Myles literally Pee-wee Herman Michael Jackson, bill Cosby. So it's like, what's going on with me. So I always liked that bill Cosby didn't laugh at his own jokes. So when I started doing comedy, I was doing that. And then the more I do comedy, like I said, like, I'm not eating pad Thai anymore.

I watch a comedian laugh at his own jokes and find it that as a useful mechanism for comedy. And you know, and then, and then when you leave, men was big with like wordplay and, and, and all of the female comedians that came after honestly were, she was one of the best who never kind of made it. And everybody kind of ripped off her.

Speaker 2 (38m 21s): I only know, I know her name. I can't say I've seen her act.

Speaker 0 (38m 25s): Right. Because, and then somewhere in the middle of when she was about, when she was getting big, she stopped and had a family and that's admirable and that's great. And that's all the things, but for whatever judgment you want to say, it hurt her career. By taking a break, you can't take a break from the thing you're great at. You can go play baseball when you're the greatest basketball player of all time, you can't do it. You have to stay in your lane and win championships. And so, yeah, my favorite,

Speaker 2 (38m 50s): Michael Michael, one another title though.

Speaker 0 (38m 53s): My favorite comedian quit comedy for a little while. And she did it for way. Well, he only, he was only gone for like 18 months. She was gone for like 10 years. Maybe, maybe 18 years. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39m 1s): That's a long time. Yeah. That's, that's a, that's a really, really long time. One of my favorite comics was Sam Kennison.

Speaker 0 (39m 10s): Well, and that's a good example. I don't know. W w I know I got cut off here. I don't know if I got cut off, I'm going to reiterate my point, same candidates in Belushi Hartman. What does it say about my industry that, that so many of our greats like died in tragic, horrible ways when you're talking to murder, suicide, drug overdoses, crazy, awful things. What does it say about my industry? Like people are like, play baseball are not dying of murder, suicide, and like fentanyl overdoses. You know what I mean? And, or just regular old school, heroin overdoses.

I am working in an industry that is driving people to do extra ordinary things. And that's what we live amongst is, is those types of people in those types of environments. So that's the, you know, that's the industry. So Sam Kinison is icon, not necessarily before my time, but more like he was before everyone's time. Cause he was five minutes. He was five minutes. Mitch Hedberg was five minutes. Right? That's all they had. They were on, they were, they were misunderstood. Geniuses and Lenny Bruce and well, Lenny Bruce is I put Lenny Bruce at the, at the threshold of like Playboy hustler, all those things.

He was the first person challenging our way of understanding and obscenity. We took it to the Supreme court. We know those things, honestly. And I hate to say this, but like a good portion of Lenny boomers, his career, he wasn't funny. He was just reading police reports because he was pissed off, you know, and even Carlin, you know, understood as one of the geniuses. If you look at his stats, like, like, like beat for beat, laugh for laugh, he's not getting laughs. He's more doing lists and saying rhyming couplets and all these things. So we can chunk through heavy material to get to his point.

And it's like, we've got to have these bigger discussions. What's more important is like changing the game or just getting a lot of laughs you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40m 57s): Yeah. I agree.

Speaker 0 (40m 58s): And it's like, Jeff Dunham gets cheap. Laughs. And he goes in any Cassius of the checks, Larry, the cable guy, Cassius checks, man. He's he makes the most money. And it's like, should we be mad at that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41m 11s): You know, it's kinda like he's, he's kinda like the Kenny G of comedy. I really liked jazz, but Kenny G holds notes and I have, I have a lot of friends in the jazz business and I think a lot of them are really resentful of Kenny G because he makes so much money and he's not as talented as they are.

Speaker 0 (41m 36s): That's the artist's struggle, man. Do you want to be, do you get categorized and just be the thing and then you just collect checks or do you change the game and you do evolve. So it's that and that's the artist struggle. Do you want to make money or do you want to have integrity? And that's it, you don't this the crossroads, you know, can't do anything else. And it's like brisket. It's just like brisket. And I like using this a lot because I love barbecue and good brisk. It has a lot of fat on it, but most people don't want to eat the fat because they don't understand what fat is or how it works metabolically. And there's a bad word around fat. So you have to make your brisket be shitty if you want to sell a lot of it.

So do you want to make a brisket for 13 hours and sell it to two people? Or do you want to sell the fuck out of brisket and the interests you want to sell the fuck out of brisket? So you hold notes or whatever the Kenny G jazz thing is that he's doing

Speaker 2 (42m 22s): Well. That makes total sense. So finally I noticed in your bio that you're a dog lover like myself. We have six, by the way,

Speaker 0 (42m 33s): How does that work?

Speaker 2 (42m 35s): It doesn't, it's amazing. We've kept them quiet for this long muzzles. Come in handy. There's so many homeless dogs here and we've, we've adopted so many from

Speaker 0 (42m 46s): You have enough places to put them

Speaker 2 (42m 49s): Kinda.

Speaker 0 (42m 52s): You're like, yeah, I got a California king so I can sleep with my new,

Speaker 2 (42m 59s): I leave that to the wife anyway. So you're quite involved in animal charities. Talk a little bit about animal rights and the plight of animals in the world.

Speaker 0 (43m 7s): Oh man. It's like, it's taken a hit because in-person stuff took a hit. And then after that, it's like, I don't like the, the, the big place that I was involved in, they were, you know, they were like, they became the, one of the big things where they were doing a vet clinic. In-person you show up and you get low price shots. You can get bay neutering for cheap to no money. And also a lot of those things got kind of pulled away because it's like, we barely care about people right now. So the last, so then like governmentally, we don't care about animals.

So that's where we're at. It's like animals are the first thing to kind of get pulled away from. And that's really frustrating. And I'm a single dog that I have. And by that, I mean, I'm, I'm single and I have a dog, but also I only have one dog, which it's kind of like Cosby used to say to my parents is like, if you only have one, if you only have one kid, you're not really a parent. If you have one kid in the house and somebody, and something's broken, you know, who broke it? And that like takes like the, all of the struggle out of parenting. And so I've only ever had one dog and she's obsessed with me and I'm obsessed with her.

So I don't really know what it would be like to have six dogs. I don't know if I would be a good,

Speaker 2 (44m 18s): I don't know.

Speaker 0 (44m 19s): I don't. And I don't know if I'd be a good animal. Parents is extinct. I don't know if I have the bandwidth. You know,

Speaker 2 (44m 25s): It's a lot of, like I said, the wife helps a lot.

Speaker 0 (44m 28s): Yeah. But I do want a farm. I want all the things I want all the animals. So I think there's part of me that can do it. I actually do think other than the things I've said, I think we're at a good place in animal welfare because we don't live in a society anymore over here in the U S that puts dogs outside and just expects them to like fend for themselves. And that's a small win or a big one, but it's a win. There used to be this idea. You just put your dog outside and if they freeze to death, he got a skirt. It's a dog. What are you going to do

Speaker 2 (44m 55s): Here? It's a little bit, it's a little bit different. Sadly. We do have to have two, our two puppies outside because otherwise one of our dogs will kill them. But the weather's what the weather's really pretty good out here. And they, they have ways of staying cool. So

Speaker 0 (45m 13s): Good. Let me tell you what's happened here as a, as a by-product of this thing is that dogs because they have no tasks anymore. Dogs used to be things like we created dogs to be obedient creatures. You know, whether you want like, like people will get offended by this, but like, that's what they are is not my words. It's like, it's like, I should have duck. You go get the duck, you bring it back to me. That's what we made them for. That's what we brought them to do. Right. And so we don't have that anymore over here. So what we have is you, you let you, you go in my purse and you watch me. Fuck. And you hope that your next that's what we have.

We've created that that's the byproduct of what we've done. My dog thinks she's my wife, or she's going to, or she's next. She thinks she's going to marry me. That's what she feels because we did, we're doing something wrong. I don't make her go get stuff out of, you know, it's like, I could teach her to like open the fridge and get me a beer. Right. But I don't, we just hang out together and watch Netflix.

Speaker 2 (46m 4s): Yup. Now we love our dogs. We love our dogs and we, yeah. We treat them. We treat them like our babies too. So I get it.

Speaker 0 (46m 11s): The dogs are confused. They don't know. They don't understand what they're supposed to do now. They're like, I, my entire Jeanette, yeah. My entire genetic vibe is to, is to be your obedient creature. And you're not asking me to do shit.

Speaker 2 (46m 23s): They're here to sleep and they do it and they do it extremely well.

Speaker 0 (46m 28s): Good.

Speaker 2 (46m 29s): Well, Dan, this has been a pleasure. I really want to thank you for being our guests today on adults. I broker talk and I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 0 (46m 38s): And I hope we got this one too.

Speaker 2 (46m 40s): I hope so. My broker tip today is part four of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later, trademark your site, having a trademark instantly protects your brand and makes your site more valuable. When it comes time to sell it trademarking, your site will cost Navage of about $1,500, but should be worth more than the investment. When it comes time to sell it, show buyers ways you feel the site can make more money in the future. This includes showing them future plans. You may have traffic trends as well as sales trends.

If things are growing and you can show them how to grow it more, they're likely to be willing to pay more for the site. Do something unique with your site. If you have competitors, figure a way to do it better, be different in some distinguishable way that makes you better. Your members will notice and spend more money with you. Make your site a place that people want to visit. Not just to buy things or view porn, be creative, not just one of many. Keep thinking outside the box and make positive changes to your site.

Think like a buyer when planning or updating your site. Don't think like a tech think like the consumer. We'll talk about this subject more next week. And next week we'll be speaking with performer, Coralyn Jewel. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest Dan Frigolette. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.