Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 148 with Performer and Producer Jamie Kelly

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We're offering very limited information at the seller's request. In order to maintain privacy, we anticipate multiple offers for this very rare listing. For more information, contact us at adultsitebroker.com. Now time for this week's interview. My guest today on Adult Site Broker Talk is Jamie Kelly. Jamie, thanks for being with us today on Adult Site Broker Talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 11s): Hey, I'm so super happy to be here. You know, it's been a long time. Like, like we've been trying to get this show together for, geez, weeks, maybe even a month. I'm so happy that we can finally get it together.

Speaker 1 (2m 24s): Me too. Now I'll tell everyone about you. Jamie is a veteran, performer and producer in the adult industry. She's currently based in lost wages. She's received numerous, that's what I call it. She's received numerous accolades over her illustrious career, including the 2015 T e A best solo site award and the 2016 T A Best Scene Producer Award. In 2022, Kelly took home the coveted t a Transcendence Award.

She was recently nominated for Ex Biz Trans Performer of the Year. Kelly is also produced and directed groundbreaking titles.

Speaker 2 (3m 3s): Yeah, I did a, a transsexuals one and two for Groovy Productions

Speaker 1 (3m 7s): In 2018. She also signed with a trans erotica as a contract model. In 2021, Kelly celebrated a career milestone of 15 years in the adult industry. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (3m 21s): Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (3m 22s): During her long career, she's worked with a long list of production companies, including Grubby evil, angel trans erotica, VR bangers, gender, X King, legal, porno, and adult time, with more scenes to be released soon. You could find Jamie at her new solo site, Jamie kelly.xxx. She's also on Twitter at Jamie Kelly XXX and Instagram at official Jamie Kelly. Catch her on only fans@clubjamiekelly.com and visit her official production site@jamiekellyproductions.com.

So, Jamie, tell us how you got your start in this crazy industry and became a performer.

Speaker 2 (4m 6s): I knew this was gonna be the first question. Okay. So over the years, lemme tell you straight up right away, 16 years in the industry. Hmm. Give or take a few months, 16 years in the industry. And I have told this story about how I got my start in the business countless times. Sure. Mostly on my own podcast and countless interviews. Let me try to like, because I know there's a million questions coming up. Let me try to make it as succinct as I can.

It all was like, how I got my start was predicated on a dare. It was predicated on a dare. The last Joe job I ever had was working at a pizza place, large corporation, won't say names, but I was working the line. I was the guy that put the toppings on pizzas. And we had a new hire come in, and this was a, a person that was, oh, probably 22, 24.

And they were very bohemian. It was a, it was a lady, and she was, she had this like kind of sense about her. She was like very kind of mind my language, but like gypsy ish. Sure. Very again, bohemian and, right. And she saw me right away. Now I'm like, at this time I'm like 24, 25 years old. I know nothing. I'm a dumb, stupid person. And she comes up to me and she, she pegs me right away.

And she says, she butts up to me on her first day of the job, says, Hey dude, you, you'd make a killing on Craigslist if you'd put up an ad and like, you know, guys would like you. I said, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I barely knew what, like, this is like 2005, 2004 ish. And yeah, I knew my lay of land on, you know, the internet and things like Craigslist was just something on my periphery.

Hmm. This lady, she says to me, look, I, I'm coming from New York. I'm here in Texas. This is where I come from. This is what pizza place is. I used to be a, a dominatrix. I used to be a light sex worker, and I got all my business off of Craigslist. And I think you can make like a huge amount of money just like looking at you do that, like do that. And I thought like, man, you're, what the fuck are you talking about?

You're crazy. I'm just sitting here. Like, I'm just sitting here putting things on pizzas. Right. At the same time, in the back of my brain, I'm also 24, 25 years old. I'm full of gumption. I'm full of, you know what you are when you're 24, 25 years old and huge fan of porn. A very sexual person, you know, like you are when you're in your, you know, early twenties. Sure. And so for a second I thought, man, what is this girl talking about?

And I went home and on a lark, on a lark, I went ahead and I cruised through Craigslist just to see if what this chick was talking about was like true. And it turned out to be that case. And I was like, ah, shit, this is actually a thing. So what I did, as ambitious as I am, yeah. I went and I parsed through like a bunch of different ads. I was like, okay, if I'm gonna do this, if I'm gonna do this, let me like, kind of compile, you know, a kind of what this person says, what that person says.

Yeah. And see if I can see if I can draw someone in. And at this point, while I'm at that phase of my, like, like my brains, I didn't really ever take it seriously. Right. It was just a, it was just a, it was just an experiment, literally. Just an experiment. Sure. And then what I did was I compiled some language from some other people's ads and I, I, like, I picked the weirdest price point and like it, to this day, it makes no sense to me.

I put $135 an hour, but for some reason it made sense to me to make $135. The thing. Anyway, I put up the ad, I had my little, my little flip phone at the time. Again. This is like 2004, 2005. Yeah. I had like a little weird T-Mobile phone and I took like a picture like you do at the time. And it looked like it would look for a, a flip phone picture. Yeah.

I put it up, I did the ad, I had the price point, and I put the picture and I walked away from the computer and I thought nothing would come of it. I got myself busy for about an hour. I came back to the computer and then I look at my email and

Speaker 1 (9m 31s): Just

Speaker 2 (9m 33s): Nonstop. Wow. It was just freaking nonstop. Yeah. So I, I, I decide to choose a guy. I like, what do you know, at 24, 25? Right. I just, I, I just picked whatever I thought felt the safest. I picked a guy and they were amenable and we like did our back and forth schmutz for a little bit. And within like two hours, this guy picks me up from my home. I was living at my mom's at the time.

Oh, geez. And yeah. Oh, dude, it was like three in the morning living at my mom's. I had nothing to my name. Oh. It was a whole schmutz. And this guy drives up. Oh. This is the worst thing in the world. I, I please anybody listening to this story, please don't do what I did.

Speaker 1 (10m 24s): I was gonna say, have him come to your house, first of all. Oh.

Speaker 2 (10m 28s): Oh. Well, I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (10m 29s): Right.

Speaker 2 (10m 30s): I'm coming from working a Joe job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And having like, just like being a sexual forward person in the privacy of my own home. Yeah. And then making this like, well, like making sexuality a profitable business. Right. All in a one stroke. Yeah. As a dare given to me. Yeah. From a person that was a new hire at the pizza place that I worked. It's funny. He's nonsense. It's absolutely nonsense. So this guy, he comes and picks me up. The punchline is, I spent an hour with this guy.

I spent an hour with him, and he, like, he drove me to his place. We spent an hour mostly talking. It was mostly hanging out with a guy. Well,

Speaker 1 (11m 14s): That ha I understand. That happens. That happens a lot with sex workers.

Speaker 2 (11m 17s): Oh, well, we'll get to that. Yeah. But like, for the purposes of this, how did I get my start story? I spent an hour with this guy mostly talking. Right. I'm a musician. He's a musician. We had some things to talk about. I had no idea what kind of environment I was in. Everything was confusing and weird. And then he brought me back to my place and it was like about an hour. And at I, I knew he was paying me money, but I, like, I had no idea how any of this worked.

So everything was like weird. Yeah. It just felt like, it felt like a fever dream. Actually. My first, like, my first go round, it felt like a fever dream. Yeah. Yeah. Everything was like nut, like, so new and so weird and so fucked off compared to like my on the grid lifestyle. Yeah. So that he brings me back to my place and I know there's money on the table. And I'm like, okay, well, so in my mind I'm like, well, this is the part where like, we didn't do anything.

I probably gotta do something. So it's like now 5 36 in the morning in front of my fucking mom's place. Geez. Where he is dropping me off. And I hadn't done anything. So I don't feel like I've like actually earned the money he's about to give me. So what I do is I do a little bit of oral stuff. Yeah. And it's very awkward. It's very awkward. I don't, I

Speaker 1 (12m 54s): Would think, I would think in front of your mom's place.

Speaker 2 (12m 56s): Well, like I, I knew my mom was asleep. I knew she wasn't gonna be up for Yeah. But like four or five hours. That wasn't the thing that fucked with me. The thing that fucked with me was interacting with these, this dude in this whole brand new situation. Yeah. And it's so new and it's so weird. And I'm so young. I was, I just, I just put on a fucking thing on a goof from something that some pizza lady told me, you know? So it's, it's funny. Super strange. It's super

Speaker 1 (13m 26s): Strange. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13m 26s): Yeah. So I, I, what I do is, when you look at it in hindsight, I did my job, but in my mindset at the time, it, it was like, I felt like I owed him in a weird, you know, kind of like, well,

Speaker 1 (13m 45s): You know better now

Speaker 2 (13m 46s): Way.

Speaker 1 (13m 47s): I mean, you gave him what he, what he wanted. You gave, you gave what he wanted, what he needed.

Speaker 2 (13m 51s): Well, see, the thing is he never, like, I never got what I thought were like social cues. See, I think this guy was like, as nervous as hitting me up. He didn't know that I was like, brand spanking new. Right. And he, this may have been his first time. Yeah. That was kind of the vibe. Sounds like it. I didn't know it. I didn't know it at the time. But in, in hindsight, in retrospect, I probably could have got out of the car and took the money and just like went away.

Right. But I felt like I was obligated. I, this is the job, this is the thing I gotta do. Right. And so I went ahead and did it. Sure. And it wasn't much. It was like five minutes of nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. Five minutes was just nonsense. Right. I don't know if he was happy. It just felt like nothing to me. There was no actual connection. I was super in my head, he was super in his head, I'm sure. But I took the money and I ran, and I don't mean I ran, but I went back to my fucking house and I went into the bedroom.

And here's the thing, and here's the fucking punchline of this whole story about how I got into the industry. Here's what changed everything. I went back and I had my little bag that I made, you know, always a planner. I had this bag that had clothes and lube and things and all the things I thought would be needed. Right. Which none of it was ever used. But at the, at the bottom of the bag was $135.

This weird fucking price point that I made on Craigslist. Right. And there it was. And I looked at it and I said, wow. That was one hour of literally spending a time with a guy short of driving there and getting dropped off. And then five minutes of doing a very awkward sexual act. And then I have this, it would take me a week to make this money.

Wow. That changed everything. Sure. And not only did I mean, fuck the money, like I know in the back of my brain, it kind of like illuminated systematically, like the problem with what it is to live in the world. That I some schmitz could get this for nothing, for literally nothing. I'm

Speaker 1 (16m 27s): Loving, I'm loving the Jewish phrases, by the way. I'm assuming you're Jewish too. Emma?

Speaker 2 (16m 31s): Yeah. Little quarter Judas. Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 1 (16m 33s): Okay. I'm a hundred percent

Speaker 2 (16m 35s): On my dad's side. On my grandma's side. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 (16m 37s): Okay. I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16m 39s): But, but yeah. But, but, but that's what it is. That's what it was. And that was the, now this is 16 years ago, I was all of, well, I was 25 years old, and I realized once that had happened as awkward and as weird and how it came outta left field as it was that there was a better way to live if, and now there's an asterisk on this. Right. If you have the ability to do so.

Yeah. It takes a lot. It takes a lot. Not everybody's gonna pay for everything. Right. If somebody pointed me out, told me I was marketable, I went and tested a thing and it turned out to be correct. Right, right. And then I made a bunch of money. Sure. And then I went, wow. Everything changes from this point on. Oh yeah. So what I essentially did was I found a grift in the system. And that's what has been for the past 16 years, what we're talking about when you talk to me.

Yeah. We're talking about somebody that has found a grift in the system.

Speaker 1 (17m 45s): It's all good. It's all good. So tell us the background on your rebranding from Jamie French to Jamie Kelly.

Speaker 2 (17m 57s): Well, that's a real easy one. My actual real name. I've never gone through a pseudonym. I've never been. My, my born name is James Byron Percival French Jr. Up until about three years ago, that was my legal name. Oh, okay. As my performer name. I went by Jamie French. So just a, a kind of a fem Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18m 28s): James James is not gonna quite make it as a trans performer, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (18m 32s): Yeah, yeah. No, no. But, but, but the thing is, like, people go through all kinds of, like, when, as a trans person, identity is a huge part of everything that you go through. Course. And there's a lot of people that go out there course, and they like get a really f a really fem name that has like nothing to do with their born name. And then there's like people that just like, do what I did, they take their actual name and just do like the femmy version.

Speaker 1 (19m 2s): They feminize it. Sure, sure, sure,

Speaker 2 (19m 3s): Sure, sure. But the thing is, I didn't, I never put a lot of thought into it. In fact, where I got Jamie from James was way back when I was 16, my best friend had a girlfriend that saw me like immediately as femme when I didn't even realize my realize myself. Interesting. And she, she called me Jamie all the time. Interesting. So I just took that, I took that Yeah. From very teenage years. Yeah. I took that name and I made it my name.

I wanted to make it as simple as possible. So I became Jamie French and I was Jamie French for, oh, I'd say from like, officially from like, oh 2011 up until just very, very recently. And the reason why I dropped the French is because French comes from my dad's side and my dad wasn't a great guy. So what I did join

Speaker 1 (20m 3s): The club.

Speaker 2 (20m 5s): Yeah. Seems to be, seems to be the case all around.

Speaker 1 (20m 9s): Oh, my dad. My dad wa it's not that he wasn't a great guy, he was just too much, too, too mentally ill. I think that was the, I think that was the, the real issue. So,

Speaker 2 (20m 18s): Well I think as we talk further, we're gonna find that that's gonna be a large part of what we talk about.

Speaker 1 (20m 24s): Sure, sure,

Speaker 2 (20m 25s): Sure. When it comes to, you know, abuse fathers trauma and things. Yeah. And that's like, that's absolutely can't escape that from people being I porn. Sure. Yeah. But to get right back to the quick, I decided that I was gonna get Fs facial feminization surgery. Oh, okay. Just kind of chip away, make it a little more girly. Right. And I said, if I'm gonna go all that way, I had to kind of also like, look at myself inside.

I mean, the outside's easy, the outside's money, the outside's, how much you're willing to put into it. But it's, it's all about your inside. And I'm carrying this name around with me, and I don't give it, like, again, I don't do a pseudonym. The closest I got to a pseudonym was just saying, Jamie, but I always, I always carried the French part with me. Yeah, yeah. For my dad. So I said, if I'm going all in, let me go all in. You

Speaker 1 (21m 23s): Know, you know, maybe I should do that too. I'm serious. I'm serious. Because what you're saying makes so much sense. It's not even funny.

Speaker 2 (21m 32s): No, it's, well, it's not funny. So what I did was I went where my, the name that I have now is completely predicated off of love. So I went, well shit, why am I gonna just carry around my dad's name French when I could just go to my mom, who's an amazing person. That's where the love

Speaker 1 (21m 52s): Likewise, likewise. Yeah. I hear you. My mom's ma name I

Speaker 2 (21m 55s): Hear name is Kelly. So I'm confused that name.

Speaker 1 (21m 59s): Okay. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (21m 59s): Again, I'm still not making a pseudonym. Right. I'm going a feminization of James and my mom's maiden name. Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (22m 7s): I

Speaker 2 (22m 8s): Love it. Perfect name. And I'm not scared of anything, so I'm not gonna make a pseudonym on top of that. Yeah. That's, I'm just gonna go with the healthiest, most loved born thing.

Speaker 1 (22m 18s): I love it. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (22m 19s): So, so that's where that came from.

Speaker 1 (22m 21s): So in your Twitter bio, you describe yourself as the people's girlfriend. Could you elaborate a bit?

Speaker 2 (22m 28s): Well, the, the thing is, I, oh boy, I don't want to, I don't wanna make it like heavy, but there's like three things I got going on as okay. You know, as of the date of this podcast, like the way that I see things, there's my private life, right there is Right my creative life, which can be put into the public. Right. And then there's the thing that makes me the money, which is the porn.

Speaker 1 (23m 1s): Right.

Speaker 2 (23m 3s): And all of those can be kind of, there's a lot of like gray borders in between those three things. So I, I wanna make myself marketable and honest and private all at the same time. I want to have like nine cakes and eat it too, is the kind of thing I got going on right now. So it's what I like to do is I like the, the pictures to speak for themselves, the videos to speak for themselves.

Right. I don't like to put a lot of, like, I'm not looking for validation. I'm not looking to like super promote. I think if you do something that's worthwhile and you put your best effort into it as a creative effort, then you shouldn't have to say nothing. I know most of the numbers that come into my, like social media, the, it's, it's could be, it's could be fans.

So if I'm going to like, use words, I wanna like make a very gentle thing for the words. Give, give fans. If that's the most of the people that are come in, I want to give them a very gentle thing. Accessibility, say the people's girlfriend. You can absolutely invite like some perish also things out of being like too soft. But I wanna give some softness.

Essentially what I'm trying to do is like create a kind of median thing where I get to put up the product and I'm not gonna be very, very, like promotional. I'm not gonna be very marketing because I'm not trying to beg for attention. Again. I think if the thing I do warrants, you know, people's attention, it should speak on its own. Sure. I'm busy working behind the scenes to make things look as good as they can.

Right. And you know, you can only go so far. Sure. But I'm gonna do the best that I can. But I know a little bit of words helps, you know, so I, I created this idea of the people's girlfriend and what I do on social media is I do the best I can for what looks, what I think might be good, might play to the fans. Right. And then I just say really gentle stuff.

Hmm. You know, stuff that we imagine, you know, a girlfriend, like just showing pictures of food, you know, Hey, I cook. You know, kind of give a little bit of like who I am as a person. Right, right. That's

Speaker 1 (26m 1s): Cause that's, and you know, something, I think that's, I think that's the best type of marketing for a performer is showing the audience who they really are. They, they eat that up, no pun intended with the

Speaker 2 (26m 17s): Cooking. Well, I do that at a caveat. I give them just so much honesty. Right. Without being like gross or weird about the things that I do for studios or for personal shoots. Like all the like words that I say Sure. Are, are, I don't do anything that's explicit. I don't say anything that's explicit. Again, the content should speak for itself. Of

Speaker 1 (26m 43s): Course.

Speaker 2 (26m 44s): So I just give a little bit of schmidtz and then I fucking, I back off. I back off. Yeah. Probably smart. And then whatever comes out of that, comes out of that. Because at the end of the day, the only thing that brings in the dollar amount is what people want to see.

Speaker 1 (27m 0s): Right.

Speaker 2 (27m 1s): So again, it's, it's all about content. Yes. But I don't want come off as spammy, you know, again, I don't wanna say, Hey, last thing, you wanna do this thing, I did this like thing. I don't know how good it is. Right. But I'm gonna like bludgeon you to death with like words of, oh, I fucked and I'd sucked and I sucked. And wouldn't you imagine? And what would you do if and none of that shit. I don't do any of that shit. Eh,

Speaker 1 (27m 27s): I think you're, I think you're smart. I

Speaker 2 (27m 28s): Don't need because you, it's subtlety. Subtlety is everything. Yes. Subtlety is everything. Absolutely. Don't

Speaker 1 (27m 36s): Be, you don't need to be like all the other performers out there. Well,

Speaker 2 (27m 40s): The thing is, my life is not predicated on this. Again, I'm not seeking validation or anything like that. I got a whole bevy of other things going on in my life, obviously.

Speaker 1 (27m 49s): And

Speaker 2 (27m 49s): The whole, like, the whole thing about like being in porn, and this is again, go way back to when I, you know, told you about how I got into this business. Yeah. It literally changed my life when I figured out how you can do what you could do. Right. With just a little bit of a left turn. Yes. The fact of the matter is this whole adult industry thing, it's just a means to an end. Yeah. I know. You know, I, I know a lot of folks like take it as this is, this is the life.

This is what you do to me. I say, oh, whoa, whoa, I found an easy way out. This is a way to build capital for things that I, that are actually important. Taking care of family, taking care of friends. Sure. And as a creative person, although I put a a lot into this particular business, it's, it's about the money that I get back from it so that I can put into actual like, creative endeavors. Sure.

Sure. They have nothing to do with the adult entertainment industry.

Speaker 1 (28m 55s): So Jamie, how has your performance style evolved since you got into the industry?

Speaker 2 (28m 60s): As a person that's been in the industry for going on 16 years now? It's, it's been a whole spectrum. And it really did start from a very like, chaotic young person's mindset. Right. And when I got into the business, and I did my very first scene when I was ooh, 26, and actually we're for real company where like money was on the line, people's time was on the line.

Right. All I did was I brought my natural, you know, mid twenties sexual ambitious energy onto the stage. Okay. And that's what they, that's what they were capturing. And that's all that this particular company at this particular time cared about. They just wanted the goods. Okay. And the goods is young, dumb, and full of come. Right. So that's why I started and I was amenable to that because what they wanted was what I was, that's what they shoot as the years progress.

I think the, like the main takeaway is that you learn like through what an audience like generally wants. You pay attention to what your customers respond to. You pay attention to the production groups that you work with. You listen to directors, you listen to this. And you also kind of, you know, keep in mind you know what what you're into. And, and you find that over the years you start to just, just by doing, just by doing over and over and over again, you take every little bit of like information from authority figures down to paying customers and it all becomes a stew.

And you become like, you, you start to like mitigate information. And eventually what happens at the end of the day from being a young dung full of come, you know, kind of shot, candid essentially to like being in the midst of like full scale production. There's, you know, it starts to actually become creative. It starts to become like movies.

You know, you get to a point where you're there, you just start to get really, you, you break things down into like, there's eight essential poses for photos. Okay. There's five essential poses for like, scene positions. It becomes really, it becomes really like robotic. Well, that, that would be like the cynical takeaway from it.

Okay. But again, I have to like reiterate that this is a money-making venture Of course. And I can come from it from like a creative person's point of view, or I can say like, what we know works that people generally like. Sure. And that's why there, it does become formulaic. Oh, of course. I, I'd never, I'd never put this kind of stuff into my own creative endeavors. Right. But I also love that there's a way to pinpoint a, like something that kind of grabs all like of the most, the like the way to please the most people.

And yes, it does, it, it, you can see it as robotic, but that's just like, when I say fours and fives and eights of things, that's just a starting point. Right. You know, there's so many things that are going on. There's scripts and who can act and what you're lighting guys up to and is there good sound? And it is a bevy of like, it is a bevy of information that goes of course into creating a thing, right.

That if everybody's at the tins can give something to an audience that they'll actually appreciate Sure. And actually like open up their wallets for

Speaker 1 (33m 17s): There you go. Which is the, which is the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (33m 21s): Well, and yeah. For yeah. For this industry. That's the bottom line. This is, of course, we are on the bottom rung of the ladder of the entertainment industry as far as the entertainment industry goes, as far as people imbibing colors, lights and sounds and shapes we're on the bottom rung. If a thing's going in a thing and it looks appropriate, like it, like it looks like it had half a fucking second of effort, you can get away with a lot.

Speaker 1 (33m 52s): So how have audiences' attitudes changed towards trans porn since you started in the industry?

Speaker 2 (34m 1s): I know we got a lot of questions going forward, and I know I can make this one short and sweet and simple. When I started, it was around again, 2006, 2007 officially, you know, being on camera with the auspices of corporations. Right. Put me on there. And at that time we, I we were just on the cusp of being treated like circus freaks to being legitimized. Yeah. Yeah. When I came out, there was me, there was Bailey Jays, there was your Kimber James.

There was these, there was these folks that like change people's, not change people's minds. They were, they were young, they were like self actuating. And they looked like, and I gotta be very careful about what I say here, but they looked like what dudes imagined, like porn ought to have been Yeah. Young, very feminine, like feminine to a point where you like kind of get confused and, and things started to change right around that time, around that 2006, 2007 era.

And it became, and, and you'd noticed that companies started to very slowly drift from using terms like she mail and tranny and, you know, all these

Speaker 1 (35m 37s): Right. Very negative, negative, negative connotations For

Speaker 2 (35m 40s): Sure. Which used to be the lay of the land. I know. Because it was always about the other. Right. The, this whole weird thing about like this niche within a niche was predicated off of selling on the novelty of the other. Right. And then about the time I started, these really hot superstars started coming in and they, it like, all of a sudden everything had to change Sure.

As far as like marketability. Yeah. Because these people command a price and they needed respect and if you didn't respect them, you wouldn't get 'em. Yeah. And you wouldn't make your money. That's right. So it's, it's really shitty because in a way, like just being a nice, it's like just being nice in general, what had, what had to be predicated off of dollar value. Right. And when these people started like, you know, being self-actualized Hmm.

And the fans responded. Right.

Speaker 1 (36m 44s): The

Speaker 2 (36m 44s): Whole fucking system had to change.

Speaker 1 (36m 46s): Sure. Sure. I

Speaker 2 (36m 47s): Understand. So I started from circus show and I'm here 16 years later as Yes. Oh no, this is a, this is a viable thing and we are people Yes. And now we are just demand to be treated with respect and Well,

Speaker 1 (37m 1s): I think a lot of that, I think a lot of that you can thank Mr. Steven from Grubby for

Speaker 2 (37m 7s): Oh, well I have things to say about that. I I was, I was there at the front line. Yeah, I

Speaker 1 (37m 14s): Know. I

Speaker 2 (37m 14s): Know. Like he and I would have conversations about Sure. Hey, do we need to change the, what, what do you think of the name of the awards show? Should we change it from the trainee awards to this and that? Yeah. Yeah. Do you think we should change this name from this and that? Like, I was there right On the phone with him. Sure. You know, talking about how we make these things work. And I'll tell you what, just to be super clear, I was still in such a way where I thought money was on the line and I actually, you know, now I know better now, but back in like, oh, I'd say it was around 2013, 2014, he'd ask me about, Hey, what do you think of tranny?

What do you think of she Yeah. And I was the kind of contrarian anger, you know. Right. Free speech, dumbass. That I'd say, I'd say, no, no, no, no. Nah man. It ain't nothing, it ain't nothing people ought to know better. You know, it's just a goof. Just use these like, I was that way about it.

Speaker 1 (38m 23s): Well, times have changed. Times have Oh, times have changed. Times have definitely changed. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38m 28s): And no, no, I, once he decided to, you know, do those things right and change the names Right. It wasn't too far after where I stopped being so money concerned and interesting, like took some time to think about exactly what the fuck it is that I was doing. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (38m 50s): Yeah. You

Speaker 2 (38m 50s): Know, of course. And what it meant to me as a person on the inside. Sure. And yeah, everything changed and I quickly acclimated to Yeah. You know, treating people with respect and not treating things like a circus show. But I was one of those people that enjoyed porn Right. As a trans person going through a lot of, you know, kind of unknown under the cover kind of transformation. Right. And being at an age where I was still so super concerned about like, jerking off.

Right. That I just accepted the names.

Speaker 1 (39m 26s): So what kind of scene have you found as your favorite type so far?

Speaker 2 (39m 31s): I don't think there's a type genre wise, I think that anything good that can be done is completely based off of chemistry between you and another performer. And I think everything else is like, arbitrary. So like a, a company comes to you and they say, Hey, we wanna do some kind of weird latex scene. Or a company comes to you and they say, Hey, we wanna do some kind of like oil thing, or we wanna do a fisting thing or whatever the, whatever the flavor is Hmm.

That they're trying to like, you know, capture none of I be open to it. Hmm. But only know that any of those things will work. Right. Any any particular like grand scale flavor will work if you have chemistry with the person that you're working with. Right. Interesting. That's, that's like the main thing. You gotta get along with somebody that you're working with.

Speaker 1 (40m 30s): Okay. Who have you, who, who's your favorite to work with? Who do you have the most chemistry with?

Speaker 2 (40m 34s): Can't say. Can't say. Not only one. Can I not currently like, put a name on the board. Hmm. But even, even when I retire and everything's done. Hmm. I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be the kind of person that looks back and says they were, they were the guy, they were the girl that was the person, you know, I don't wanna point pinpoint anybody because our perspectives are so different. Oh, okay. For me as a performer and from that particular person as a performer.

Speaker 1 (41m 7s): Right, right.

Speaker 2 (41m 8s): You know, I, i, it just seems like unfair and weird. The only thing that matters in this particular industry Right. Is what people are willing to pay for. And those are the only opinions that matter. If I have, here you go. If I say there's a favorite, I don't know, it just feels kind of gross because I know that when I pick a favorite Right. It's kind of uninformed as to like what I'm up to at that particular point in time.

Right. I come forward with whole brand new experiences and whole brand new perspectives. Sure. And then what I would say was a favorite five years ago. Now it just becomes another goddamn human being that I need to treat with respect.

Speaker 1 (41m 55s): Absolutely. You know? Yeah. You don't, you don't wanna offend, you don't wanna offend anybody. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (41m 59s): I can't pick a, I, it's, it's, it seems kind of gross to me to pick a favorite. I'm just, okay. I'm just calm and Schmidts like anybody else's, we're just trying to pay the bills, man. We're just trying to pay the bills.

Speaker 1 (42m 11s): You love that saying. So what do you love most about being in porn?

Speaker 2 (42m 16s): I mean, it's part and parcel to the current system in which we live. Mm. I love the, the fact that I had this weird little, in that I know that I, I know I'm very privileged and I, this something kind of keeps me up at night, but I found this weird little inroad into a way to be self actualized and have everything that I need. Not what I want, but what I need at my disposal with what is seemingly little effort.

So my favorite thing and my worst thing about being in this business is that I'm, I'm literally at the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You know, it's, and for no reason. That's fair. You know, what's,

Speaker 1 (43m 10s): What's fair in this world really.

Speaker 2 (43m 12s): So I, I get what I need from me, but it's super unfair that I have this thing that not everybody has access to.

Speaker 1 (43m 22s): Well, that's true. But like I said, what's fair in this world. Right.

Speaker 2 (43m 27s): I guess So

Speaker 1 (43m 28s): It's not a fair, it's not a fair world. Well, what are your, what are your favorite fetishes, if you have any to explore on camera?

Speaker 2 (43m 37s): My very personal infant teal fetishes that work for me are shiny things. So like a lot of oil stuff. Right. Latex plays into that, that shiny thing and feet. I got this weird like foot fetish. Hmm. And there's like, I, I could talk about that all day long. I think the first two are self-explanatory. Something shiny. Right,

Speaker 1 (44m 4s): Right.

Speaker 2 (44m 5s): Dives right into the fucking like lizard eight brain thing, you know, Hey, it draws your attention. I like it. Of course. And it's, it also looks like smooth and that Yeah. That's a tactile thing. So right away visually you got the smoothness and you got the thing that draws your attention. That seems like a no-brainer. But the feed thing, the feed thing is a weird thing. Right. There's, there's some weird psychology in there. I was just for, I mean, people are listening to this, you know?

Speaker 1 (44m 37s): Right.

Speaker 2 (44m 38s): If there are any foot fetishists or people that like are in the business that wanna investigate foot fetish, maybe this is something to remark on for like a minute and real quick psychologically. Right. I've done research on this because it does seem like a weird thing. It tends to be people with foot fetishes are people that largely weren't breastfed as a kid. Hmm. Maybe they couldn't take their mother's milk or whatever. Interesting. So they're put down on the ground.

And when, as you're a super, you know, you're a toddler, you're a kid, you're a baby, most kids spend time around the breasts. Huge breast fixation.

Speaker 1 (45m 19s): Sure.

Speaker 2 (45m 19s): You, you put down on the ground because you can't accept your mother's milk. You put down on the ground, you're around the legs and the feet all day. And so that becomes the thing

Speaker 1 (45m 28s): Interesting

Speaker 2 (45m 29s): That's in your head.

Speaker 1 (45m 31s): Interesting. Yeah. And that,

Speaker 2 (45m 33s): That kind of winds its way up to puberty and then that becomes a thing.

Speaker 1 (45m 37s): Yeah, that does make sense. So what single piece of advice would you give a brand new

Speaker 2 (45m 42s): Performer? That's tough because there's, there's a lot that goes into it. I don't know where the performers coming from. You know, I don't know where their state of being is, what their mentality or emotional state is.

Speaker 1 (45m 53s): Okay. What, what piece of advice would you give, would you give young Jamie today?

Speaker 2 (45m 59s): Patience. Hmm. And I think this like covers a lot of ground. This has nothing to do, you know, in particular with being in the industry. I think this one thing, if you have like aspirations and you're trying to like, make whatever it is to make something better of yourself, whether it's monetary, mentally, emotionally, usually it's all three.

Patience is the thing. Yeah. You gotta trust in yourself. You have to allow yourself to make mistakes in all aspects of life. And you have to allow for patience.

Speaker 1 (46m 43s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (46m 44s): You have to allow for patience. Nothing is gonna just like, come to you the way that you think it ought to. Yeah. There's never gonna be a moment of truth for you while the world is watching. Hmm. You know? Sure. You have to accept the little bits of good when you get 'em. And in your downtimes, accept those moments as moments of growth if you have the wherewithal to see them as moments of growth. So it's, it's all about patience.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47m 15s): Very philosophical. So what do you wanna do on camera that you haven't done yet?

Speaker 2 (47m 24s): Well, personally, at this day and age, I mean, I've done so much. I've, I've really, okay. This is, again, everything I say comes with a caveat. Right. I, I don't like to think of this business as a thing that is meant for me to get my rocks off because that can become exploitative.

It can become predatory. It can show like the worst of yourself.

Speaker 1 (48m 0s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (48m 2s): What I, what I mean as there are things that I want to do as a person, but most of those things can be taken care of by just like jerking off or being with like a trusted partner. Sure. I never want to use this industry and be in this business as a thing that I get to use to get my rocks off because this is a business

Speaker 1 (48m 28s): Of

Speaker 2 (48m 29s): Course, you know, we don't put anybody at odds and fuck off anybody that we're performing with or working with in Right. Any way whatsoever. Just so that we can get our rocks off. That's a bad way to be.

Speaker 1 (48m 43s): Yeah. It's

Speaker 2 (48m 45s): Very true. When I'm, when I'm making my own content as an independent, I will simply say, I would like to do this. I think this would sell. I think this plays into my, you know, my interest. And I will take the time to find somebody that is amenable to that, that also has that same kind of flavor and gumption in mind. And then I will pay them a fair wage in order to do that so that everything is fair and everything is honky dory across the board.

Sure. But I never want to do anything. I don't have a, a checklist of, oh, I wanna fuck this chick. You know? Oh, I wanna, oh, I just wanna like fist that person. Like, Ugh, gross. Fuck that. Fuck that. This isn't for me. Right. This is a business, this is for the

Speaker 1 (49m 42s): Customers. Right. Well, it's for your fans. It's really for your fans. That's what it comes down to. Because if they're happy, then the cash register rings. So what's coming up for you?

Speaker 2 (49m 54s): Oh, so many things as of today, you know, I have no idea what the future brings, but as of today, right where I stand, as of the data, this interview right now, my mindset is on a lot of creativity that has nothing to do with the business in and of itself, which, which is to say that I have goals and I'm making enough money to do things that are concerned with music and script writing and all kinds of things, all kinds of of cards that I really need to play like close to my chest.

Right. Business wise, it's, it's really kind of simple. I'm kind of in a small state of like, just taking a step back. I spent a lot of plates in this industry and being in front of the camera is like the least of my concerns right now. I'm an editor, I'm a graphic designer. I do, I do all kinds of things through my production company. Sure. You know, put people in front of my camera for different companies.

Right. All kinds of things. Money's not a concern. Right. I, I, I make the money and I'm at a point right now creatively for things that have been back in my past. Right. That are now coming to fruition that actually need all of my attention. Right. And I'm at a point now where I've made enough money to where I can put that money and put that capital to those things so I'm not retired or anything. Not right.

Not by the least. Right. It's just right now I am concerned with those things and I, future-wise, if you need like a, oh, here's the next Jamie Kelly Bencher. I'd say that the next big thing that is coming is part of this lay of the land that I find myself in right now is the third part of the transsexuals series.

But that's probably gonna be, oh, anywhere from six months to a year off from now.

Speaker 1 (52m 6s): Okay.

Speaker 2 (52m 7s): And that, that would be like the next big thing. Anything else that I do is gonna be like weird little things that I pick up while I'm on this personal venture. Right, right. Maybe the studio gig here and there maybe some solo things, right. That are very carefully chosen. But yeah, the like the next big thing would probably be that the Transsexuals three

Speaker 1 (52m 29s): Sounds good. We'll be looking for it. Well Jamie, I'd like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Side Broker Talk, and I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (52m 39s): Oh, absolutely. This has been a pleasure. Thank you so much.

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