Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 139 with Content Creator Christina Castalia

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Christina, thanks for being with us today on Adult Site Broker Talk.

Speaker 2 (2m 48s): Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (2m 50s): It’s a pleasure to have you. Now Christina is from Amsterdam, one of my favorite places, and she’s a cam girl and content creator. She is is Dutch and Greek and speaks Dutch English and some Greek in German. She calls herself a big belly bitch and a hairy Greek goddess. I love those. She’s been in the industry for 11 years, starting when she was 19, to support herself while going through a law school. She started a small on a Dutch platform and has been on international platforms for almost eight years.

In 2021 she won ex’s Best. B b w Cam model was ex Bis Camstar of the month in September 21 and was featured in Exs World and Hustler Online magazine. When she’s not camming or creating, she can be found walking through nature, singing and making music, sitting on her balcony, playing Pokemon go battles, talking to strangers, shaking her big booty in the club and trying to beat the world record of orgasms.

Ooh, that sounds interesting. We will talk about that later. Christina, how did you go from the small Dutch platform you started on to working internationally?

Speaker 2 (4m 5s): Tumblr actually the Dutch platform, I mean, camming back then was very different than it is now. So the Dutch platform I started on, I actually started because I wanted to do phone sex. So they offered phone sex coming without sound and then camming with sound and you could only make 24 hours and 24 year hours an hour. That was the maximum because you had like a set amount, you couldn’t change your own rates. But back then I was 19 years old, I was like, okay, this is pretty good money.

Yeah. Because I didn’t know any better. Right. And then I got on Tumblr and I saw all these girls on like my free camps and all that kind of stuff and I was like, oh, they’re making a lot more money than I am. And then I kind of just ventured out a little bit. I was a little hesitant at first. Yeah. Because I started without showing my face as well because I was in school and you see thousands of people there every day. So I didn’t want people to recognize me. Yeah. And I think it was my second or last year in college where I decided to go on stream mates actually.

And it was just because, I don’t know, it seemed interesting and fun and the possibilities were a lot bigger.

Speaker 1 (5m 23s): How did things work out when you went to streaming?

Speaker 2 (5m 25s): Pretty good actually. I really enjoyed it. The setup there was also very different on the Dutch platform. I only spoke to people really if they called in. So if there were no clients, you were just, I just sitting there waiting for something to happen. So in the beginning it was pretty good because I would just be doing my homework while waiting for a call. Yeah. But so it was very different because suddenly you’re in this free chat and you have to entertain from the start. Right. But I quite enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (5m 56s): So how did you go from camming to creating content?

Speaker 2 (5m 60s): That was also a pretty natural development really. I, again, through Tumblr I saw all these girls also doing like fetish clips and stuff like that. I saw sites like clips for sale and it just seemed fun to do something like that. And I really didn’t know what I was doing at all. I just kind of like saw what other girls were doing and maybe seeing, oh, like maybe that would be fun to do and just kind of put my own spin on it. Yeah. And then very quickly, I actually had a few guys who would contact me for custom videos and that’s how I’ve done most of my videos since.

Cuz I am, I’m really more of a camera than a A contents creator. Yeah. I like the instant gratification of that interaction I think.

Speaker 1 (6m 41s): Sure. By the way, what’s, what’s the strangest request you ever got for a custom video?

Speaker 2 (6m 48s): See at some point things aren’t, that’s strange anymore. So it’s

Speaker 1 (6m 53s): Like, yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2 (6m 55s): Yeah, it’s like what is the strangest, at some point it’s almost more strange when they’re just like, oh, can I just see your face? It’s like, oh that’s all that is kind of odd. But one that I wa that was very unique, the first few strange ones for me were like four videos. So where the guy only wanted to see like my mouth close up and like my sharp teeth. And then he had like this whole scenario played out like a, like a small script where the gummy bears stole his car and I had to punish them.

But I kind of like that because you couldn’t really get in character like yeah, I’m gonna punish these naughty bears and I would use like all of these different kind of bears. I’ve done like, I think 15 videos for him like that. And the most recent, I guess odd one was a guy who, cuz I am Greek so I have a little bit of a girl stash, you know? And like I have full full hair and this guy really liked girls with facial hair and he wanted me to with makeup, put like extra as if I had little bit of a beard.

Yeah. But I, I kind of look good with a beard, I’m not gonna lie really. I was like ok, I kind of fuck boy immediately funny. Started acting like a boy. But the whole thing was that he apparently once had a, a not so nice interaction with an ex-girlfriend of his where he caught her shaving. And I don’t know if this is true or just a fetish, but the thing was that he felt shamed, this is how he explained it to me. He felt shamed for actually liking girls with facial hair.

So he was really embarrassed about this for a long time and he kind of, he didn’t ask for this but I was like, okay, so we’re gonna play out this idea but then I’m gonna turn it into something that would’ve been an optimal fantasy for him. Yeah. So I kind of took that scenario and twisted it to be kind of the same thing where he caught me shaving for our date night and then we had this conversation and it turned out that everything is okay if he likes girls with facial hair and he will be proud of me.

And it was really mostly a talking video, very I guess girlfriend experience like, and it was something I’ve never heard or seen before. So I guess that might be the oddest one because all the other odd ones you see people do a lot more.

Speaker 1 (9m 13s): Oh yeah, yeah. You know, before I got into the adult industry. Geez. My ideas then of what was on and my ideas now of what are odd

Speaker 2 (9m 24s): Ah, it shifts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (9m 26s): Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (9m 28s): Yeah. I always say everything is weird or nothing is weird and the same goes, everything is normal or nothing is normal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (9m 34s): I mean look, yeah, everything’s normal to somebody and that’s why there’s so many niches. That’s why there’s so many types of performers. Yeah. And hey the old saying whatever turns you on, which was a saying back when I was young, it still holds true.

Speaker 2 (9m 58s): It really does. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10m 1s): So what did you, why did you choose sex work over working in law after going to law school? And did you ever work in law?

Speaker 2 (10m 9s): I graduated in 2015 and I had a few internships with like local municipalities and stuff like that. And I really noticed cuz I, and I was doing sex work on the side and I was making really good money so I, I was the only one that didn’t have any student loans. I think people kind of thought I was like a trust fund baby or something because I didn’t say that I had a job either. I just always had money. I saw the way they interacted with people and this was like very, I think it’s difficult civil law in English, but I always just felt like the, the civilians were getting gonna cuss.

Right. Yeah. Getting fucked over. It’s like, but you can’t expect normal people to know all of these rules. And it’s like they were so excited all the time when they got to screw someone over that I was like, I don’t like this. No. So, and then I got involved with this union and I kind of said to myself, you know what, I’m always almost graduating. I’m not gonna use my degree unless I can actually do something where I can actually help people. Maybe something human rights involved. Until then I’m just gonna see where this goes.

I’m just gonna see, you know Sure. If I can make more money with this. Cuz I never really planned on staying in it. It was just supposed to be a side job next to school. Yeah. Right. And then only I think two or so months later I was asked to start a legal office at a union for sex workers. I coordinated that for a few years, again doing sex work on the side because it was an NGO so it really didn’t pay a lot. Right. It was almost like volunteer work.

So I did do that for a few years, I think about three years. But for me it was very, and I don’t know if I wanna do something like that, that again because of this, because it is, you are in control of someone’s life basically. And if you don’t help them properly, if you mess up you really can mess something up for people’s lives possibly forever. Yeah. And that was weighing really heavy on me. And oftentimes again because you have all of these rules, if someone was only just a day late, you could just not do anything anymore.

Right. And I would be staying up late at night trying to figure out things and working with lawyers and, but oftentimes you just can’t help people anymore. And that yeah. Was just weighing so heavy on me that I had a little bit of a burnout in 2018 and I was like, okay, well I’m not, I’m gonna stop doing that. And then I went back to doing sex work mostly full-time. But then I always have some kind of like side things here and there. I always me meadow into sex work advocacy and lobbying if I can. Cuz I just like to, I can, it doesn’t let me go.

Speaker 1 (12m 49s): Yeah. Well I think look as it should be my favorite lawyer joke by the way, you know California has a lot of lawyers, right. And New Jersey has a lot of toxic waste dumps. You know why that is? Right.

Speaker 2 (13m 3s): No

Speaker 1 (13m 4s): New Jersey had first choice. So what’s the main focus in your shows and your content?

Speaker 2 (13m 12s): Well my content, because it is mostly custom based, it kind of depends and it really, the, the most of it is still like the B B W fetishes and the hairy niche and my CAM shows are pretty diverse. Right. I’ve noticed that they change a lot as well. Like the older I get, the more younger clients I get and not only because I get older, but when I was in my early twenties, most of my clients were at least over 35 and most of them in their forties.

But then now that I’m in 30 years old, a lot of my clients are like in their early twenties or like 20 to 35, 40 at a max. I still have some older clients here and there and I have a lot of clients that I had for eight years on streaming. Wow. So I’m very grateful for that. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. But I would say still most of them I would, it’s like 50 50, 50% is mostly what I call Fila. So that’s like your deep touting, which I absolutely love to do. Language or pussy squirting.

And then half it is more fetish based, so whether that be the hairy or maybe belly play or I do a lot of dom stuff as well. So I have a lot of cooks and sissies and all kinds of stuff like that. And my content is kind of like revolved around those kind of topics as well.

Speaker 1 (14m 30s): Okay. So how did you decide to venture into the hairy niche?

Speaker 2 (14m 36s): Well, kind of naturally, like I said, I’m Greek so at some point, as we say in Dutch, it’s fact a beer guy, which is just, there is no fighting it. And for me, I also have very sensitive skin. I think I started stopped shaving my armpits I think like 2013 or so mostly just because it, it was always irritating me and I would always get all of these really nasty bumps and I was like, who the fuck am I doing this for? Because it’s sure as hell isn’t me because I am not pleased.

Well my skin looks like this. So I stopped with shaving the armpits first and then I noticed people actually really liked it. So I was like, okay, that’s something I guess slowly it just progressed into just not shaving most of my body really. And sometimes I would get a little in a, in a mood and I’ll be like, oh, I’m gonna shave my legs or I’m gonna shave the pussy lips a little bit here and there. But honestly most of the time I just can’t be fucked. And I actually really like hair as well and I, I think it’s just really nice like her, your hands through the hairs and it’s just nice and soft.

And at some point before I met my Kiran boyfriend, I was, went on a lot of Tinder dates. Some of the guys at first would be like, oh, I’m not going to eat Harry pussy. And like, well then I guess you’re not gonna eat pussy cuz I’m not gonna shave you And then we’re not gonna fuck either. Cuz if you’re a man who’s afraid of hair, then I, I don’t, you’re just not a man. You can have preferences, but if you’re actually like adamant on, I’m not gonna fuck a hairy pussy, sir, good luck to you. Yeah, really. And the funny thing is that pretty much all of them basically became obsessed with it.

And I’m convinced it’s the, the hairy pussy magic. It’s the pheromones that’s in there. You know, I always say it’s the flavor saver. That’s what makes it taste so good. It’s funny that’s just kind of like how it naturally kind of grew and yeah, at first, the first few years, I guess like 2014 to basically 20 20, 20 21, I’m, I’m not good at marketing so I wouldn’t even market with it. It was just kind of like, this is just who I am and if you don’t like it, you don’t like it.

But now thinking back, I should have been marketing with it. Like, hey, I’m a harry bitch all along. I just had a very big, not a disdain, but like, I don’t know, I’m, I don’t know. Like I said, marketing is my biggest downfall cuz I’m just

Speaker 1 (16m 60s): Many people.

Speaker 2 (17m 1s): Yeah,

Speaker 1 (17m 2s): That’s, that’s the biggest downfall for a lot of business people actually. Yeah. What is the world record for orgasms and how close have you come?

Speaker 2 (17m 16s): Pun intended because I think, if I remember correctly, I should have looked this up, it was 134 orgasms in one hour. My god. For women? Yeah, for women it’s either 1 34 or 1 36, but I wanna say 1 34 for men, it’s only 16 in one hour. And I feel like that’s, that’s easy. We can do it in like at least 10 minutes For me, that’s easy. I’m very blessed that I’m a very easy comer. I’ve never had to fake an orgasm in my life.

And the clothes I’ve come was actually with a client who was really adamant in helping me. So he would take me private for like an hour and he would just be counting the orgasms because at some point I can’t count him anymore. I’m just like this. Yeah. Sex obsessed craze, like exorcist kind of style.

Speaker 1 (18m 7s): He off peel you off the ceiling. Right.

Speaker 2 (18m 9s): Literally off the floor literally. And the closest we got was around 70 in one hour. Oh

Speaker 1 (18m 17s): You got a ways to go girl.

Speaker 2 (18m 18s): Yeah, I’m, I’m almost halfway

Speaker 1 (18m 22s): Way to go. Way to go. So being a B B W, do you feel like you need to stay looking a certain way to be appealing to your fans?

Speaker 2 (18m 32s): Yes and no, actually. Which

Speaker 1 (18m 35s): One?

Speaker 2 (18m 36s): Yeah, well both a little bit because I do, again, I feel very lucky a lot of my clients like me for me, right. So they don’t really care. Like some of them do have a preference for bald girls, but they like me so they’re like, okay, well we’re gonna fuck this hairy pussy. So a few years ago I used to be bigger than I am now and I lost a lot of weight because I was pretty sick. For me, I got pretty skinny and I had a lot of clients who were literally telling me that I looked ugly and that they weren’t coming back. And I was like, well Jesus, I’m sorry that I’m sick,

Speaker 1 (19m 9s): Sorry I’m trying to be healthy here.

Speaker 2 (19m 11s): Yeah. But well I’m also, I’m trying to be, but I was, I was just, I was not. Well yeah, it was a farrier rough part in my life and when I felt a little bit better and also with the Corona like I gained, I gained some Corona kilos. I’m actually trying to shed them a little bit because I wanna get back into power lifting. But then there’s also people that say, oh I did like you better when you were bigger or I liked you better when you were skinnier. And it’s kind of like, but you can never really please everybody. No. So I think like a few years ago, yeah a few years ago I, it was gets me a little bit more like especially because you, you are not feeling well and people are suddenly telling you on all sides like, oh you’re not good enough.

But then it’s also the side where you’re sick but people are telling you, oh you look so great. It’s like, well here I’m getting this message here, I’m getting this message, I feel like I’m dying. I don’t know, this is kind of messing with me a little bit. Yeah. And at this point it’s just kind of like they, they’re are the girls, if you like them skinnier, they are there and I feel like them bigger, they, they are there as well. They

Speaker 1 (20m 11s): Gotta let it go. You gotta let it

Speaker 2 (20m 13s): Go. You really do. Yeah. But it, it is something they really do mention it when they see a change.

Speaker 1 (20m 19s): Oh no, let you,

Speaker 2 (20m 21s): It’s like, okay, thank you for noticing that one kilo I gained or lost. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20m 27s): Oh the wonders of social media. Don’t get me started. So have you seen the camming industry change in the last 11 years?

Speaker 2 (20m 36s): Yes, absolutely. But also just from starting on a, on a Dutch platform that was very small. Sure. I don’t know how it is for other girls that have been in it for so long, but for me I didn’t, I don’t know, I feel like we didn’t, at least I didn’t know that you could actually make really good money and this could be like a real job back then it was just kind of like, I don’t know, something that you did if you were a little bit exhibitionist or like a little bit of a frisky girl and al already that out outlook has changed so much because now girls really get into it thinking I’m gonna make big money.

Yeah. And I feel like only that already is such a big difference technology-wise. When I started with a, with a content creation back in, when was it? Like 2014 if you had like 10 80 X P H D, that was like the shit. And then I was working as a legal professional and I didn’t really make any contact in those years because I didn’t have the time. But I come back three years later in 2018 and suddenly everybody is shooting in 4K and I’m like what the hell? So I feel like there, there’s really a lot of big differences that happened really, really quickly.

Speaker 1 (21m 46s): Sure. And the other thing is that these camgirls hear about and creators too, obviously with the advent of only fans, they hear about the performers making tons and tons of money. Yeah. And they all assume they’re going to and that’s not necessarily the case.

Speaker 2 (22m 9s): No. And I think for most people it isn’t the case.

Speaker 1 (22m 11s): No, no. You gotta figure a way to be unique and either they like it or they don’t. And some have hit it big and some have done nothing and

Speaker 2 (22m 24s): Yeah. And I think most people are actually just kind of in between there.

Speaker 1 (22m 28s): I think it all comes down to effort too. It comes down to effort and it also comes down to talent and a lot consistency personality too.

Speaker 2 (22m 37s): Yeah, I think so too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22m 39s): Big time. I know you don’t have any problem in that area, Christina. Oh,

Speaker 2 (22m 43s): Thank you.

Speaker 1 (22m 44s): So what are some of your favorite stories about sessions you’ve done on Cam?

Speaker 2 (22m 50s): My very favorite, which has been a favorite of mine for many years now was in 2016 in Holland we have two Christmas days. So we have first Christmas day and second Christmas day. Yeah. And I was with family on second Christmas day and I wasn’t actually even supposed to be online that day. Right. I think this was in 2016. And, but I was home earlier and I was a little tipsy and I was like, fuck it, I’m just gonna get online and see what happens. And there was this guy who was talking to me and at first I kind of thought he was like a troll or something because I don’t know, he was talking kind of like, like he wasn’t responding to what I was saying.

But he also, it was weird. And then he asked for a camp to camp. So I told him, okay sure. In exclusive. And I was like, let’s see what this guy’s up to. And he took me private and he kept doing the camp to cam request. So at first I was a little annoyed. I was like, no you, you have to take me exclusive. But then he kept trying it and he wasn’t leaving and you can’t really kick someone out. At least I still haven’t figured out how to without going offline. So I was like, okay, fuck you, I’m gonna be mad at you and I’m just gonna accept your camera. I’m gonna shout at you or something.

I don’t, I don’t really know what I thought. And he turned his scam on and immediately I could tell that, and I’m not trying to be rude here, but it could tell that he was clearly very autistic or something like that. Aw. And so immediately I softened up and he seemed really, really nervous as well. Like I’ve yeah have OCD as well and a ADHD and I have a lot of like ticks and stuff that I do, especially when I was younger, when I was really nervous. So I noticed a lot of those in him. Yeah. So I just started having a conversation with him and yes, again, he was really, really nervous and I just pointed out the things I saw but keeping them to myself.

So I was like, you know when I’m nervous I do this or this or this and do you have that as well? And when I mentioned those things, he seemed really elated. He was like, oh my God, I’ve never spoken to anybody else who feels like that. Wow. And it turned out that he barely ever even talks to peers because he was so socially anxious. He’s barely ever talked to a woman. I was think, what was I 25 at the time? Something like that. He was in his thirties. He had never kissed a girl before and because he’s clearly someone that has issues, people talk down to him a lot and he was actually pretty intelligent.

He was working in it, but people would always talk to him like he was a child. That’s true. And this was the first time he said that someone actually talked to him, like just a normal person would talk to him. And I think we were private for over an almost an hour at some point. I was a little nervous cuz I was like, oh does he, is he aware how much money he is spending now? So I tried to point that out and he was like, oh, should I give you more money? And I was like, no, no, that’s okay. Like don’t gimme more money. And I didn’t really know what to do.

I was like, should I end, end the call or is then someone else maybe gonna take advantage of him. So I was like, okay, I’m just gonna stay and give him what I think he needs. Yeah. And he was so sweet. At some point he got out his guitar, he was like, can I play a song for you? And he was lovely singing and playing his song and Nice, we were having such a nice conversation. He was sharing so much of himself with me. And over the course of that hour you could literally see such a change in him as a person. So from being basically a nervous wreck to just being a very open wow person who was really, really happy.

At some point he asked me at towards the end he was like, can I see one titty? And I was like, babe, you can have both of them. What else do you want? And at the end, and then again it was like second Christmas day and this is a time where a lot of people are often very depressed. Yeah. He told me, he was like, Christina, are you aware that you save people’s lives doing this? Wow. At this point I was almost crying but trying to keep it together.

And then I was just kind of nodding like, yeah probably. And he was like, no, no, no, I don’t mean mean me. I am not suicidal. And I was thinking like, yeah, you say that. But I think it was very, very good that we spoke today

Speaker 1 (27m 10s): Big time. Did you hear from him? Did you hear from him after that?

Speaker 2 (27m 14s): No, I’ve never seen him again. So I really, really, wow. He is, he’s doing well. He did ask about like my schedule and all of that, but I, I’ve never seen him again. Well

Speaker 1 (27m 24s): It sounds like you really helped him. That’s awesome.

Speaker 2 (27m 26s): It was. And it also shows like my favorite part of the job. It’s really that human connection and yeah, just being able to have someone go off on their own way again after being with me and just being so much happier.

Speaker 1 (27m 39s): I think if you’re just in this for the money, you’re not gonna do very well. But if you are in this to connect with people, you’re gonna do much better.

Speaker 2 (27m 49s): That’s, it’s my favorite thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27m 51s): Yeah. That’s, that’s my feeling. So how do you manage being in this line of work while dating or having a partner?

Speaker 2 (27m 59s): Well, dating it was a little bit I’m sure many girls have said, as soon as you mention it, everybody’s gonna be like, oh I wanna shoot a porn with you. And it’s like, okay, let’s get the lights. Do you know someone who can use a camera? And then they’re always like, oh I don’t know. So the dating was a little odd the first time I was on Tinder. Sure. I used my Christina name fortunately because I was on cam an hour later and someone’s like, oh I just saw you on Tinder. And I’m like, okay, that is new. And I’ve had many guys who I would like share my number with or maybe I even met up with that then would send me like a link from porn.

I’d be like, oh I found you here. And I’m like, oh Jesus, now I never wanna talk to you again because the way that you approach me, like you can approach me in a normal way about this. Right. But my boyfriend actually, he is been very open-minded from the start. Good. And he knew what I was doing as well. So if he at some point felt like this was not something he would be okay with, he had a lot of time before we really got serious to figure that out. Sure. And I think what also helps is that it is just through a screen, you know?

And even though you have that human connection. Yeah. The way he says it, again, it’s in touch which kind of translates to nobody else gets to touch the cake. Like they can look at it. He likes to show me off. He sure. Even in just daily life, he loves to show me off. He loves when people are looking at me as long as nobody else gets to touch it. For

Speaker 1 (29m 30s): Sure. And and the other, the other, the other part of it is this, you live in Holland, prostitution’s Legal in Amsterdam. I would imagine. I mean, I mean I’ll just ask you how does that impact your views, your boyfriend’s views and everyone’s views there on sex work?

Speaker 2 (29m 49s): Well, I actually have a lot of friends who are some work in at light district, some work as an escort, some work for like clubs. So for me, for me it was even also kind of new at the beginning because even though I was doing sex work Right, I still, because we have a lot of like, I guess propaganda regarding their ad light district where a lot of, all of the media image that you get is, yeah. But these girls are forced highest class escorts. They do it voluntarily, but the girls in Nuendo, they don’t. So even though I was doing sex work for multiple years, I still had that image until I actually met with people.

And for example, they say like, oh the Eastern European girls, they’re, they’re so, they’re such victims. And it’s like, have you ever spoken to an eastern European girl because they will will fuck you up if you play with them wrong. You know? Yeah. And I actually did, they used to have, a woman used to have like an, like a workshop working in the windows. Right. And I always kind of thought like, oh maybe that will be kind of fun. So I did that workshop many years ago and only when you’re actually standing in that window you notice how much power you actually do have.

Cuz you see everybody before they see you. If you don’t want someone to see you, you can immediately walk away. So I didn’t have any clients, he just showed me like basically how the interaction worked. Every time a client would come up she would like shove them away. But it was really powerful in a sense cuz you would expect to feel more exposed. But it’s, it really isn’t. So I did always kind of like play with the idea of working maybe in the windows or something like that. But cause I was working that legal job and caming on the side, it wasn’t, I just didn’t have the time.

And then I know some girls who work there and we were kind of making the same amount of money and because I do have a lot of hermit tendencies, I was like, well if I’m not gonna make more money then I’m just gonna stay at my house. Oh

Speaker 1 (31m 41s): Yeah. No, most definitely. Most, most definitely. And it’s, that’s for my boyfriend’s not the easiest work. Sorry. No, not the easiest work in the world either.

Speaker 2 (31m 50s): No, actually I think it’s, funnily enough, I think it’s very similar to camming because imagine that. Yeah. Which you have like your own standing in a window kind of felt like being in free chat and then you have to entice people to come in. Sure. And like the whole kind of like the hustle aspect of it felt kind of similar. I think those two lines of sex work are actually more similar than any other two Interesting. That I can think of. And so when I met my boyfriend, I actually told him I’m a sex worker, but so he thought already that I was doing prostitution.

So in his head after our first date, he was thinking like, okay, can I be okay with someone who does sex work? And he, cuz he’s also a very analytical person, he decided that he could be. But then on our second date he found out that I do camming. And for him that was kind of a relief. Like okay. Yeah. So then, but also it was like, and I, I don’t wanna sound again like homophobic or something, obviously I’m not, but it is and I can understand that, you know, like I also, I like to be shared, but I wouldn’t like to share.

Speaker 1 (32m 52s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32m 53s): I wouldn’t want other people to touch my cake eater, you know?

Speaker 1 (32m 58s): Indeed. It’s an interesting dynamic down there for sure. For anyone who’s been down there, they know for anyone who hasn’t, they should definitely take a look cuz there’s no like it. So

Speaker 2 (33m 13s): No, it really isn’t. And I should really advise people to come by quickly because the municipality of Amsterdam is actually trying to shut it down. Yeah. So I always, people’s

Speaker 1 (33m 22s): It’s already been reduced greatly.

Speaker 2 (33m 24s): Absolutely. Yeah. There used to be like almost 500 windows and now there’s only I believe like two 50 or something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33m 31s): So I,

Speaker 2 (33m 32s): So yeah, it’s kind of a shame really. And even though people have been here, they still often have this idea of like, oh yeah, other girls are traffics or victims and it really almost could not be farther from the truth. They really don’t understand how it works.

Speaker 1 (33m 45s): Well the whole trafficking thing is being overblown internationally, but that’s, yeah, that’s a whole other side, especially in the United States. But don’t, don’t get me started. Yeah, we

Speaker 2 (33m 57s): Could fill a podcast on that.

Speaker 1 (33m 59s): I talked many times about that. So have you ever considered shooting porn?

Speaker 2 (34m 6s): I have. And I already, like years ago I would have like pretty well known names like shooting my dms, like hey what you wanna shoot together? But because I am here and most of the people are in the states, my response usually would just be like, yeah, but I’m over here so I guess that’s not really gonna work out. Cuz I was more interested back then. And then sometimes they would be like, oh yeah but I’ll be in Germany then and then, or I’ll be in the UK then and then maybe either I can fly out or I can fly you out. And, but clearly there was a part of me that didn’t really want to necessarily because I’ve never really pursued it, even though I could have, and I even never even shot, well we shot like personal home videos, but with my boyfriend, I don’t know.

And at at this point, I don’t know if I still want to do it. I think I do need more videos with at least a dick in my face because it really brings out my features nicely. And I think a lot of my guys would also like it. But I think also because I do cam and it’s very much that personal interaction, I don’t know if for a lot of people would also ruin the fantasy. That’s

Speaker 1 (35m 11s): Good point. Good point.

Speaker 2 (35m 12s): So I dunno, I think I might at some points with my partner and there’s definitely some girls in the States where I’m like, ooh, if I got a, a chance to shoot with her, I would love to like Lena Paul for example, she is smoking hot but I don’t know if she likes big girls. But you know, like there’s definitely some people on my list where I’m like, if I would get the chance I will jump on it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (35m 35s): Definitely.

Speaker 2 (35m 36s): But it’s not something literally I’m actively, literally, but it’s not something I’m actively pursuing.

Speaker 1 (35m 43s): Okay. How do you feel the normalization of sex work with only fans? Making it more mainstream is a good thing.

Speaker 2 (35m 55s): I think, again, let yes and no. I find it really hard to answer questions like that in a just yes or like black and white answer. Because again, I started when I was 19 so I started very young as well. But I think because I started so young, I also know that it probably isn’t for everybody to start that young. Oh yeah. And I think it really, the normalization of it is I don’t hate it. It’s nice that people know a little bit more. Like if you say I do this, people now kind of have an idea of what you do and like you don’t have to always explain it to them.

Sure. And I think it has caused a lot of people to be more open and a lot more sex worker. Positive and friendly. Yes. But I also think that it led to a lot of people jumping into it, especially young girls who didn’t really know what they were getting into. Like I have seen really young girls like literally making an only fence as soon as they turn 18 or like being like, oh I can’t wait until I can start one. And it’s like, I don’t think that that is something that’s necessarily good.

It it, it’s not necessarily bad either, but Sure. I don’t know. I think it’s very good just for your own development to have had other jobs as well. You know, I’ve had many jobs before I started this, especially if you do start making a lot of money because it can kind of screw screw with your sense of what’s normal. I sometimes ask my boyfriend like, what do normal people make in a month? Like what is a normal salary? Right. Because, because I’ve been in this so long that I don’t know what is Yeah. What, what do normal people live with?

I don’t

Speaker 1 (37m 31s): Know. That’s a real nice, that’s a real wonderful question to have to have Christina

Speaker 2 (37m 36s): That is that Sure. It’s very privileged. I am very aware of that. But it’s also, I think, I dunno, everything of course has good and bad sides. So

Speaker 1 (37m 46s): Well and well, and the, and the other thing is I don’t think that these people that are making unbelievable money on only fans realize how lucky they are and they also don’t realize it could go away in a minute.

Speaker 2 (37m 60s): Yeah, exactly. And I, I don’t know, I do feel, again, I don’t wanna be like hypocritical because I really did start so young as well. I do think that sometimes people don’t necessarily think about all of the consequences. Yes.

Speaker 1 (38m 19s): No they,

Speaker 2 (38m 19s): They don’t but think. But that’s the same if you’re 25, 30 or 19 for some people. I think indeed a lot of people did very good starting that young, so. Sure,

Speaker 1 (38m 28s): Sure. It

Speaker 2 (38m 29s): Really, it’s nuanced.

Speaker 1 (38m 31s): Yeah. It, it depends on the person. It

Speaker 2 (38m 33s): Really does.

Speaker 1 (38m 34s): So what was it like, like winning an expo’s award?

Speaker 2 (38m 37s): Amazing. I didn’t unexpectedly unexpected. I immediately lose my words. I really didn’t expect it. I’ve seen a lot about those awards of course over the years, but it always seemed very America focused. I never really saw a lot of European girls or something like that win, I’m sure here and there. And I never really even looked into how those things work. But then last year I saw something about the pre nominations and I was like, you know what, let me just try see if we can get nominated. Right. So I did and then I got nominated and I was like, oh, what the fuck.

I didn’t really expect that to happen because, and like I, social media is not my jam. I never been a social media person. I refreshing like it, I don’t like it when social media was coming up, I was just smoking weed with the homies in the park. Like it was never my thing. But since, I guess also like early 2021, I was like, okay, because I knew for years that I really need to get into this. But I was so again assistant just like with that Harry marketing, I was like, I just don’t wanna do it.

I was like, okay, I need to. So I only had like, I don’t know, maybe three or 4,000 Twitter followers, which is not a lot compared to a lot of the other girls that were nominated. Right. And just in general compared to people online. So I was surprised to even be nominated and then, you know, then the whole other process start, people have to vote and all of that kind of stuff. And I kind of just promoted it everywhere. I mentioned it on my cam shows and I was on there for like good, good seven years at a time. And I guess a lot of people really do fuck with me.

At some point I was like, Ooh, maybe I actually have a shot. Cause people were telling me they were voting. But then I look at some of the other girls and they had like millions of followers on Instagram and I literally just threw my phone away like, ah, this shit is never gonna happen. And then it actually did. And I, I, I was in shock. I don’t know what else to say. Yeah, my, that’s, my mom was proud of me. I

Speaker 1 (40m 35s): Bet.

Speaker 2 (40m 36s): Yeah, she, she said that she happened to wake up at her high time because she called me, but I think that she actually just stayed up really late just like I did to see if I would win. Oh,

Speaker 1 (40m 45s): That’s

Speaker 2 (40m 46s): Sweet. Yeah, she was really sweet. It, it was kind of mind blowing. Really. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40m 50s): That’s fantastic. Yeah. So what’s your biggest challenge working in this industry?

Speaker 2 (40m 55s): Marketing and the, yeah, you mentioned that and, and the social media. And again, I think it’s also because I really do have these hermits tendencies where I really do love talking to people in ST is one of my favorite things. Meeting new people is one of my favorite things. But that is like, again, like the instance talking thing, right? So like what we’re doing now, but when you do it like on the social media, then I have time to think and then you have to word it right because you have like a word limits. As soon as I have time to think, that’s generally where I get stuck a little bit because I can be an overthinker.

So I either have to do something immediately. Right. Or it’s, it’s really hard for me to get to it. Yeah. So absolutely that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41m 41s): Okay. Christina, where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (41m 44s): Everywhere? They can find me@bigbellybitch.com. Which leads you to my only fans, christina cams.com, which leads you to my CAM profile. And on social media, I am at Tina Castilla, C A S T A L I A, and I believe I have a link tree@christinacastilla.com where they can find all of that. And I do have a website in the in the works, which will also be@christinacastilla.com.

Speaker 1 (42m 19s): Christina, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Site Broker talk, and I hope we get a chance to do this again real soon.

Speaker 2 (42m 27s): I would love that. Thank you so much for having me. I had a great time. Thank

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