Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 129 with performer and podcast hostess Lily Craven

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Speaker 2 (2m 49s): Hello, Bruce. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (2m 52s): It's nice to be had,

Speaker 1 (2m 54s): You know, talk to me in that sexy voice. I almost wanna do some, some phone sex with Lily, like your podcast here, but eh, it's not our format, so I don't wanna shock our listeners.

Speaker 2 (3m 7s): Oh yeah. But,

Speaker 1 (3m 8s): But I do wanna do it again.

Speaker 2 (3m 10s): Oh, I'm gonna have you back. Alright, so be prepared. Round two. Phone sex with Lily.

Speaker 1 (3m 15s): Oh, absolutely. Whoa. Yeah, I didn't think my phone sucks. Was that good last time?

Speaker 2 (3m 21s): Oh, it was fabulous. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (3m 24s): Okay, good, good.

Speaker 2 (3m 25s): It was great. I'm ready for round two

Speaker 1 (3m 27s): For sure. Okay. You convinced me. Me too. Let me tell people about you. Milk performer Lily Craven has been in the industry. I'm glad you agree. For six years, starting as a webcam model and now she does adult videos. She entered the industry at the age of 40. During a divorce, Lily needed a way to make ends meet and wanted a little revenge on her cheating X. That may have been her original motivation, but today Lily calls the industry home feeling the need to make up.

For the years she was not in the industry. Lilly frequently attends industry events. She has become a familiar face among her peers. We actually had a chance to meet, which was awesome. Yes, her niches are big toys, dirty talk, big boobs and taboo role play. Her favorite niche, and I love this one, is the extreme mommy fetish Do Mommy, I love, I love saying Domy Mommy this.

This role allows her to interact one on one with many of her followers. Her most recent endeavor is hosting her podcast, as we spoke of earlier, phone sex with the Lilly, which yours truly has been a guest on. She interviews adult industry talent in, in Behind the camera Phone Sex with Lilly is everywhere. Fine podcasts are heard. So you have been a busy bee since we last talked. Oh goodness. Yes.

Why don't you tell me some more about what you've been doing and maybe some of the events you've been at.

Speaker 2 (5m 5s): Oh, well, speaking of events, that's where we got to meet in person.

Speaker 1 (5m 10s): Yes. Tempe, you

Speaker 2 (5m 11s): Traveled, you traveled from far, far away at the Why not Reunion in Tempe, Arizona. And wasn't that in March or April?

Speaker 1 (5m 23s): It was in April.

Speaker 2 (5m 24s): It was in April. Okay. Cuz it was hot already, right? Yeah, it was

Speaker 1 (5m 28s): Starting,

Speaker 2 (5m 29s): It was starting to get

Speaker 1 (5m 30s): You living in Colorado. Everything is

Speaker 2 (5m 33s): Hot. Yeah, everything is hot, but, but it was a great event. We got to do, gosh, morning hike. There was the Go-kart races.

Speaker 1 (5m 43s): Wait, wait, wait. Was there a morning hike?

Speaker 2 (5m 45s): Yes. Did you miss it?

Speaker 1 (5m 47s): I must have slept through it. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (5m 48s): I did too. I'm gonna tell you a secret. I did too. But there was what? The go-kart races, the top golf. We had a blast. We got to hang out, went out to dinner together as a group. It, it was definitely a, a fun one. I'm so glad I went and yeah, I got to meet you there.

Speaker 1 (6m 8s): Absolutely. You forgot the speed networking that we hosted.

Speaker 2 (6m 12s): Oh yeah. So you hosted, I think that's an fabulous event. And actually, okay, so it's speed networking and we all move from spot to spot and introduce ourselves to each other. Do a little pitch of what we're about. And I actually have gotten in contact with Sia. She was, what's the name of her podcasts?

Speaker 1 (6m 37s): It's called

Speaker 2 (6m 39s): Yeahs the, oh gosh. I forget. Should know this. I know. It's like stripper. Stripped with

Speaker 1 (6m 45s): Stripped, stripped by cia,

Speaker 2 (6m 47s): Stripped by Sia. Yeah. And so I met her and amongst other people. But that's one example of networking that we've actually followed through with. So that was, that was just a great event. It was great to see everyone. And we didn't have to worry about fans and we just partied like rock stars, didn't we?

Speaker 1 (7m 8s): We had a great time. Especially

Speaker 2 (7m 9s): That we sleep very much.

Speaker 1 (7m 11s): Especially, yeah, especially especially that night at the restaurant when a bunch of us went to dinner and that was, that was really fun. That

Speaker 2 (7m 19s): Was really, yes. Didn't we have to walk somewhere? Remember we walked the,

Speaker 1 (7m 24s): We walked a bit. We walked a bit. I think your feet were starting to hurt in those heels.

Speaker 2 (7m 28s): Yeah, but you know that trooper,

Speaker 1 (7m 32s): You, you are a trooper. Yeah, we had some good friends there with us for sure. It was

Speaker 2 (7m 37s): Great. And then I went off to Exotica Chicago. That was an excellent one. It was so, there's such a good turnout. So many fans, so many people. We all intermingled for about four days. We partied like porn stars and we, we partied like porn stars. But it was, it was a really good turnout, great event. Great to see the fans and all the talent and all the after parties and the after, after, after parties.

I always find myself at one or two of those. But it was just a, an excellent, you know, turnout. And I, I'm pleased with that one. And I got to go as talent and media.

Speaker 1 (8m 24s): Yeah. How was that? So

Speaker 2 (8m 26s): That, it was a little hectic, but I wish I would've had more time to do more. I feel like I didn't get enough content when I was there as far as the media side, cuz I was splitting my time. Yeah. But I, I did get good stuff and it was fun. I just have to get a rhythm

Speaker 1 (8m 48s): Going. There needs to be, well, you need to split yourself in two. There needs to be two of you.

Speaker 2 (8m 53s): Yeah. But unfortunately, there's only one of me in this world, so this is true. So, yeah. And I do everything by myself. So I really, I'm the cameraman, the, the sound, the everything. And then I was working a booth with signatures after dark. So that was, it was a lot of fun. I got to make, I was in a booth with like seka and, and Leslie Winston, nay, Jojo.

We had a blast.

Speaker 1 (9m 28s): Great. Great. So what else has been happening with you since the last time you and I spoke on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (9m 39s): Ooh, what else is happening with me? I would say that I am Rev, well, it's gonna be season three of my podcasts. So I'm revamping everything and I'm gonna be on video now. Please help me. So I have been for two weeks, you know, doing my studio and making a podcast studio with your help. Of course. Oh, yes. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (10m 4s): Always happy to give you pointers on the, especially on the audio side, since that's my specialty.

Speaker 2 (10m 11s): But you like, save me literally, because I don't hear what you hear. Yeah. Cause I don't listen to myself.

Speaker 1 (10m 18s): Wow.

Speaker 2 (10m 18s): Yeah. And so I need to start doing that. But also just the, you know, your studio and how you, the vibe you wanna give. And I am not a decorator, I'll tell you that. Just to take that off my plate.

Speaker 1 (10m 31s): Well, I've, I've kind of acted as your podcast coach since you got going, since we first got planted. And it's really been, it's been a, a joy for me to do that because first of all, you listen and you take advice and you've, you know, well, and especially with the technical aspects of your podcast, they've just, they've gotten better and better from, from where you started. Oh,

Speaker 2 (10m 58s): Yes. And

Speaker 1 (10m 59s): You know, I mean, when I started my podcast, the technical aspects weren't really good. When I listened to my early adult site broker talks, I, I'm a little embarrassed actually. The mic wasn't that good.

Speaker 2 (11m 12s): At least you had a mic.

Speaker 1 (11m 14s): Yeah, well, yeah, I was

Speaker 2 (11m 16s): Using a handheld recorder like back in the day. Oh geez. On a speaker phone. That's

Speaker 1 (11m 21s): Funny. Well, no, but I mean, you know, I, it's been my goal to up my game. So my podcast sounds as good as possible. And I know you've done the same and you've learned from some of my mistakes and, you know, some of, some of my study and I passed it along and I've happily done so. So

Speaker 2 (11m 40s): I'm

Speaker 1 (11m 41s): Glad it's worked.

Speaker 2 (11m 42s): So grateful for it because I, like I said, I I was just dumped into this, like clueless, had never even heard a podcast before. So you've definitely been my guiding light. Ah, well, or I would've been a train wreck. Well, I was a train wreck. But you've saved me from, you

Speaker 1 (11m 60s): Know, wouldn't go that far. I wouldn't go

Speaker 2 (12m 1s): That far. That's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (12m 3s): You were doing, you were doing okay, but you're doing better now, which is great. So, so what about outside of the podcast? What about on, on the performance end? What's been going on?

Speaker 2 (12m 16s): Well, I am gonna start shooting again, my Aunt Lily series. We're gonna do a few with Dallas dom and come October when I go to exotica New Jersey, of course I'm gonna shoot with blush, erotica. They're like my go-to p anytime we're in town together, we are like, let's hook up. So we already have that scheduled. Good. And I've been invited to go to LA for a few shoots. So right now the cost of airfare and all that, I think we're kind of gearing towards waiting for, you know, events where we're all gathering together and it makes more sense that way.

Speaker 1 (12m 57s): Yeah, absolutely. Spend a little extra time and get some work done.

Speaker 2 (13m 2s): Oh yeah, definitely. So,

Speaker 1 (13m 4s): So I mean, talk, talk about that. What are some of the challenges for models like yourself to make things work?

Speaker 2 (13m 15s): As far as,

Speaker 1 (13m 16s): Well, as far as far as like travel and, yeah, you talked about travel and the challenges of the cost of airfare Yes. And everything else. I mean, what are, what are some of the challenges and Well, especially for somebody like yourself who's not exactly in the middle of Porn Valley, you're in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (13m 34s): No, there's, yeah. Well I'm try, we're trying to change that. But there is, I know, I know currently no industry here, so I do have to travel for everything. We are self-employed, we are not rich. We, we pay for everything ourselves. Right. So it can get financially, especially with the prices going through the roof right now, yes, it can get, it can get pretty grueling, but all I have to do is just kind of tweak things to where kill two birds, one stone and you know, at the events plan stuff there while I'm already there, you just have to do things differently or you know, more, what's the word?

Efficient.

Speaker 1 (14m 17s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14m 18s): Yes. So it's not as free as it was before with the $29 flights where you can just hop, skip, and a jump over to another state. It's a little bit more challenging right now.

Speaker 1 (14m 31s): Sure. With fuel costs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14m 33s): Oh God yes. Talk about about that. That's not,

Speaker 1 (14m 40s): Do you ever, do you ever spend a period of time down in Southern Cal to get some shoots in

Speaker 2 (14m 47s): Like LA or San Diego or Right. Or la Yes. I've been there a couple times. I don't really do that much work out there, but when I go, I'll make sure that it's, you know, there'll be several lined up shoots like that instead of just going there for one person. So I sort of gather them up throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (15m 10s): Okay. So let's talk about, let's talk more about your podcast. You've been doing it for a while now. Talk about where you started and where it is now.

Speaker 2 (15m 23s): Okay. So I started just standing in to do a interview here and there for another station. And that grew into, Hey, do you wanna have your own time slot? And I was like, oh sure, why not with my handheld recorder. And then I thought, God, this is so boring. Like these interviews, and it's not that the talent was boring, but like, I wasn't bringing what I believe a host should bring. I wasn't Howard Stern or, or Joe Rogan or nothing like that.

So I thought to myself, well, it's on the phone. It's during Covid and what sells sex sells. Sure. So phone sex. And then I said, I'm gonna have phone sex with my guests. Yeah. The first couple minutes of each episode. And

Speaker 1 (16m 13s): I think it's brilliant, by the way.

Speaker 2 (16m 15s): Oh, well it, at first I was going to tell them what, you know, hey, beforehand, you know, days before or whatever, when I schedule them, I'm telling them I'm gonna have phone sex with them. But unfortunately they would skip out. They would nohow, they would write a script. I, so I, so I said, but I said, I'm not telling anybody anymore. I think you were the last one.

Speaker 1 (16m 40s): Oh really?

Speaker 2 (16m 40s): And I said, yeah, I'm not, and I think there was only maybe two or three total that I did tell. And after people kept skipping out, I was like, you know what? I'm not telling them anymore. So now they're all genuine, unknowingly subjected to phone sex with me. I tell them literally right when I'm gonna record.

Speaker 1 (16m 60s): Okay. I think it's awesome. And you have had quite a roster of guests and will get more into that later, but have you been pleasantly surprised as to, to the response from the adult community?

Speaker 2 (17m 15s): Oh my gosh, yes. Yes. I, I'm, first I'm grateful. I'm so grateful and thankful for it being, you know, successful and that people are enjoying it. So that's where there's so many personalities and characters in this industry. Yeah. And they really just let low loose in the first couple minutes. So it's always a hoo it's something different every time. Yeah. So they have fun with it too.

And you know, you always get the, well, what, what? And I'm like, don't worry, you'll be fine. I'll lead the way. Record. And so that's worked really good.

Speaker 1 (17m 56s): The element of surprise.

Speaker 2 (17m 59s): Yes. And I'm gonna be doing season threes coming up. It is on video, but I am doing the big stars now. I'm worked with Tanya Tate. She has a PR company and so doing some of her talent starting tomorrow. So they don't know about the phone sex either, so it should be fun. I I'm really excited about some of these guests that are coming up.

Speaker 1 (18m 26s): I bet

Speaker 2 (18m 27s): It's gonna be fun. Is,

Speaker 1 (18m 29s): So who are some of the guests you, you have coming up on the podcast and I should tell people that this will run some time in September, so some of those may have already run. So you definitely need need to check out phone sex with Lily to see who she's had and who she will have. But who are some of the more exciting ones coming up?

Speaker 2 (18m 51s): So just to name a few. I have, since Sage, I have Brittany Andrews, I am so excited about. Yeah. Misha Montana.

Speaker 1 (19m 4s): Ah, Misha. Yes. I know her.

Speaker 2 (19m 6s): And so that's just a few. I don't wanna give it all away. Oh, well I guess by now, by the time it

Speaker 1 (19m 12s): Airs we have run. Right. Just

Speaker 2 (19m 14s): Check it out. There's a few. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (19m 16s): Definitely.

Speaker 2 (19m 18s): So I've got some good talent lined up. I'm really excited and I know they're gonna bring their game on me. I'm gonna have to keep up with them. Seriously,

Speaker 1 (19m 28s): Lily, I never worry about you keeping up with

Speaker 2 (19m 32s): My dear. I dunno.

Speaker 1 (19m 35s): You've got, you have gotten so good at this.

Speaker 2 (19m 39s): No,

Speaker 1 (19m 40s): No, you have, you definitely have.

Speaker 2 (19m 41s): I'm, I'm taking it till I make it.

Speaker 1 (19m 43s): No, look, I've listened to Well, you have to do that. Everyone does that, including me. But I've, I've listened to some of your, your more recent ones and there's a, there's certainly a mark difference between when you started and where and where you are now. So thank

Speaker 2 (19m 58s): God.

Speaker 1 (19m 59s): Well,

Speaker 2 (20m 0s): It was a rough start.

Speaker 1 (20m 2s): We all learn. We all learn. So speaking of interviews, what are some that you consider to be some of the most memorable? Oh, besides me, of course.

Speaker 2 (20m 14s): Yeah, you. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (20m 17s): Okay. That's the to that. No, ok. Besides me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20m 21s): I would have to say it was during, I think it was April or May. Jiggy Jaguar came and to my house in Colorado and we hammered out about six interviews with like Vanessa Valentine, the Hard stopper, James Barley. Jack Cannon. There was Christina Castilla and Kani Ki and Don Juan DeMarco.

Yeah. So we, we did back to back interviews and it was called Jiggy In The Who. So that was a lot of fun. He is a hoot. If you haven't seen a show, oh my gosh, he's funny. Love. He's the one in the Santa, in the Santa Claus costume at the Exoticas. You can't miss him.

Speaker 1 (21m 14s): Love to have, love to have him on on our podcast sometime. Oh

Speaker 2 (21m 17s): Yeah. He's a fun one.

Speaker 1 (21m 19s): Okay. Well now that you've been in the, are there, are there any others that you you'd like to mention by the way?

Speaker 2 (21m 26s): Oh gosh. I would have to say memorable ones. They're all memorable. Yeah. Like, I don't wanna point out certain, I just remember that particular series was, it was not only back to back one after another, but it was, it, it was hilarious. Like it was just fun doing it. It was creative and, and I really enjoyed working with him. I would say that was the one that really stuck out.

Speaker 1 (21m 54s): What do you feel doing the podcast gives to you, Lilly, and how does it help your performing business?

Speaker 2 (22m 3s): Oh my goodness. I think that it has jumped me up 10 years in the business. Networking. Networking is huge. You don't necessarily, you know, you're not making money per se. Right. But the value of networking, that's how I met you. That's how I've met everyone. Sure. I mean, and I don't know a better way to meet that many people and really dive into who they are. I've made friends with just everybody that I've, you know, interviewed.

It's, I still continue to promote them. I just have their back. I'm fans when I see them up for awards. I'm all voting and I do, I become one of their fans and next to them peers. So it, it's, it's just neat to see all the different aspects of the industry, the people behind the scenes that really don't get noticed very often. I mean, they're the foundation that hold it all that makes it happen.

Speaker 1 (23m 4s): Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23m 5s): They are great. So I, I just have met so many people and the value of that, just the friendships I've made and the business relationships are priceless.

Speaker 1 (23m 15s): Well, I mean, without the performers we have no industry

Speaker 2 (23m 18s): True. And without the people behind the camera, we don't have an industry.

Speaker 1 (23m 23s): Well, it's true. It all, you know, it absolutely, it absolutely all works together. But the, a lot of people will always forget this. And I don't think performers are treated well enough without the performers. That's our product. Okay. That's, that's the industry product. But a lot of people tend to forget that. But there's no two ways about it that the industry, the performers are the industry.

Speaker 2 (23m 54s): True. And sometimes, I mean, as performers, they can beat dicks and literally, and, and not the best people to work with are not the most reliable. But at say, they still, there's a reason why they're the brand. Like Yes. I have to say they are the face of what's bringing the viewers, the listeners, the buyers, everybody in.

Speaker 1 (24m 20s): Sure. Now, you, you talked about supporting some of the people that you've met through the podcast. I'm sure it works both ways. And I'm sure it's also gotten you some gigs, right?

Speaker 2 (24m 33s): Yes. Well, yes, it definitely has. And that, that's great because also you get to know him better. Like, I've been Alex Legend out of la he's great. He, he's from Paris, France. He's the greatest accent in the world. But he's invited me out to LA to shoot with him. I haven't done it yet, but I've had him on my podcast. So I definitely, if you haven't seen him, he's a hottie. I I will make my way to LA guaranteed this year.

Speaker 1 (25m 7s): As you should. As you should. Yes. Now that you've been in the business for a while, what keeps you in the business?

Speaker 2 (25m 15s): Oh goodness. The people. Number one, the fans. That is my full, like, that's what keeps me going. I like the creativity. It's just, it's, it's like a baby, a project that's mine. And I run every aspect of everything I do. So I like interacting with the fans. I like creating, I like listening to them and what they want. And it's just, it's so much fun. Like it's, this is like, people say, what do you do in your spare time?

I work, but my work is so much fun. Like it's, it's, it just really drives me. It's my purpose. Like, and I've never really felt that way about anything. I've never held a job. I was always fired. I didn't, just didn't belong in the workplace. And I never knew why. I was like, God, these people go to these jobs for years on a, like how am I gonna do that in life? Like, am I ever gonna have anything because I can't hold a job and I just, I'm not someone.

I guess that, and I hear this a lot from people in the industry. I'm, we're just not people that fit into that mold. That's true. And that's okay. It's okay though.

Speaker 1 (26m 33s): Before you got into the industry, could you ever have imagined yourself in it?

Speaker 2 (26m 39s): No way. Never. Never, never, never. Thanks ex-husband. No, never. Never. I don't, I wouldn't, I didn't watch porn. I don't, it's just not something that I ever imagined.

Speaker 1 (26m 56s): Hmm.

Speaker 2 (26m 56s): Just a scorned woman. Yeah. Crazy ideas we come up with. Well,

Speaker 1 (27m 1s): And well, when we talked about this last time, you lived a pretty protective and stilted upbringing, right?

Speaker 2 (27m 10s): Well, yes and no. It wasn't that they were trying to protect me from like, TV and what's on it. It was basically go find something else to do. I grew up in San Diego. Go outside and play. Yeah. You know, we had a trampoline, we had horseshoe pits, we had a ping pong table, we had a jacuzzi, we had tetherball, we had everything in our, just our backyard. Yeah. And literally, this is when we used to play in the neighborhood, ride bikes. Go find something to do. Don't, or like clean pick weeds.

Like there was always something for us to do. Write a report. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27m 46s): San Diego must have been a great place to grow up,

Speaker 2 (27m 50s): You know, it was. But as an adult I started, you know, realizing that this place is way too crowded. Traffic, the lines, I, I'm in Colorado now, it's peaceful. I, we don't have traffic, I don't wait in lines. It's just such a slower pace of life. And it's where I belong now.

Speaker 1 (28m 12s): That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (28m 13s): Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28m 13s): That's, that's really awesome. Now you, you talked about getting into porn to get revenge on your cheating act.

Speaker 2 (28m 23s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (28m 24s): How well did that go over

Speaker 2 (28m 26s): It? Well, he just says like, he don't care. I thought he would, I thought I would make him like jealous, but no, it, it didn't. And, but I just didn't want it to be like, I was like, oh, I can't screw his best friend or someone. Cuz then I'd just be a cheater like him and it would be about me. Oh, you did it too? Yeah. So I was like, no, I'm gonna do something much, much better and I'm just gonna do it for the world to see on the internet. And so it was good motivation.

Speaker 1 (28m 55s): Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28m 56s): It got me going.

Speaker 1 (28m 58s): So we mentioned Colorado and Yes. You also said that there isn't a ton of an adult scene there. So how does it work living in Colorado and working in this industry?

Speaker 2 (29m 15s): Well, you have to travel everywhere because there's nothing here, but we're trying to change that. I have, you know, with Nick Huntsman, Don Wa, DeMarco and myself have been gathering talent in the area. Well gathering meaning there's not much to gather. But like Nikki has a group in Colorado Springs that she's been working with. And it's kind of, we're gonna be having a mixer in for industry only, like sponsors and stuff like that.

But we're inviting people out to Colorado and the local, you know, talent here to come and see what we have to offer. Great. You know, we're gonna put on the mixer and, and you're invited if you wanna come all the way from where you're at. But, but we're just, what we're doing is we're trying to invite everybody out here to say, Hey look, this place is worthy of it. We have this studio, this studio, you know, there's a circle of studios that you can go to or talent you can work with and come out here not just for one shoot.

Right. You know, it can be financially. We we're, we're a company that believes in pain all their talent and, and basically puts you through a circle. Come out here for a tour for two or three, four days, do a bunch of shoots, make some money, and then leave and, and enjoy beautiful Colorado. It is

Speaker 1 (30m 39s): Here. That's

Speaker 2 (30m 40s): That's what, that's what it, we really want y'all to see. It's so much better than like LA or the, the weather, the pe like you can walk on the sidewalks. It's clean air, there's no traffic. Like, it's just really something. And location. Locations. Locations everywhere. I mean, we have beautiful locations.

Speaker 1 (31m 1s): Yeah, absolutely. And any other motivations for people to come to Colorado to shoot

Speaker 2 (31m 8s): Money. Okay. We definitely, like I said, we, we wanna, we we, we'd compensate our, you know, our talent. But more than anything, I think we're just trying to bring people our way to let them see how good it is out here just to spice it up to get something fired up here to where we're not just like the, the Ohio on the map or like, who knows the Wisconsin or everybody. There's no, that's how Colorado is.

It's just there's nothing here.

Speaker 1 (31m 41s): Yeah. Have you done anything to like recruit like only fans or the like models to, to get into the performance side?

Speaker 2 (31m 54s): No, no. I don't think it really recruiting. I think someone has to get into it on, you know, their will, their push, their drive. But I don't mind helping someone, you know, the serious ones. But there's so many people who come and go. Sure. As far as I did have, you know, the male talent dto, he, he's great. Dallas Dom studios, he was a newbie that shot with me first and I took a chance on him and I'm so glad I did.

He's in my series with Aunt Lily, he's the nephew and he does amazing work. He's here in Colorado. So I'm, I'm stoked and we're gonna be meeting up, we were supposed to meet up today, but circumstances with vehicles, mine didn't start today. I could a problem. Yeah. It was the battery so it was just putting it off, you know, till next week or something. But we definitely are gonna be doing some fun stuck stuff we're gonna do.

Stuck. Have you heard of Stuck?

Speaker 1 (33m 3s): No. Why don't you tell us?

Speaker 2 (33m 5s): So it's porn where it's, it's where you are stuck like under the table or in a dryer or under the bed or in a weird position. And then you get fucked.

Speaker 1 (33m 17s): Interesting. Interesting. Now

Speaker 2 (33m 19s): Such a brilliant idea. I think it's,

Speaker 1 (33m 20s): I think it's a great idea. I kind of thought, I kind of thought you were gonna tell me that stuck would be your car broke down and you're staying in some farm house's. You and you fucked there.

Speaker 2 (33m 32s): Well kind that's stuck in a predicament. Which is pretty

Speaker 1 (33m 36s): Much all isn't it?

Speaker 2 (33m 37s): Isn't all porn stuck in a predicament? Pretty much Your landlord tenant, your brother, sister, your like, everybody

Speaker 1 (33m 45s): I guess isn't

Speaker 2 (33m 46s): That? Yeah. So, so yeah, this is just a knockoff of the actual stuck filming. And I think it's sounds so fun cuz I'm extra flexible. So we'll see where I get stuck. Oh

Speaker 1 (33m 59s): Wait, was that what you were, oh nevermind. You had a diff definitely a different image of the industry before you got into it. Oh yes. Than, than now. So how has your image of the industry and the reality of the industry in your mind changed from before and now?

Speaker 2 (34m 23s): I had a, a relationship where this person was like obsessed with Warren and it was just disgusting to me. I was just like, it grossed me out. I was just like over it because he's always covered in Vaseline. Like just, just constantly just getting it. Yeah. And so I'm just like, it disgusted me when I remarried. He, he didn't have anything to do with it. So he said, so I guess he was creating his own porn out in the neighbor's yard or wherever else.

But you're

Speaker 1 (34m 58s): Talking about, you're talking about your husband.

Speaker 2 (34m 59s): Yeah. He was the one that was cheat. Mmm. So he was out everywhere. So anyways, so I really had this negative view on it I guess. And so I think now what I know is that first we're all people, like there's some of the neatest people in this industry. I can't agreed stress that enough. Agreed.

Speaker 1 (35m 22s): The family.

Speaker 2 (35m 24s): Yeah. Oh my gosh. And, and they're real, they're like genuine people. And anybody who meets us says that like, we are so loyal to each other. We're genuine. We we're just like, we're free spirited, nonjudgmental just a such a neat group of people and Right. It's better than the, you know, the societal norms are just, I just never fit in. I didn't fit in with my family. I don't fit in just, but I fit in here.

It's home. Sure. And, and that's, I'm forever grateful for. And so I think that's, it's changed my perception kind of. I still have that flip side view of, of the fact that I think that it should be kept away. You know, it shouldn't be just all over the internet. I think that Facebook, I'm sorry guys, but I think Facebook, if they don't want it, then they have every right to say that, you know, we have our children on it.

Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36m 26s): It's their sandbox, right?

Speaker 2 (36m 28s): Yeah. It's like go play somewhere else. You know? And it is true if we go on there, we will mob up and take over the whole entire like

Speaker 1 (36m 37s): Platform.

Speaker 2 (36m 38s): Yeah. And so I think that, that we have to understand and respect those boundaries. I don't like how it's reversing things seem to be reverting back to our old ways of thinking. Like, you know, our bodies and like, I can't even say phone sex with Lilly show. It's only just a title. Like I, I don't even, I'm not doing anything but chatting. I Yeah. It's nothing that should be, I can't write that word. Sex. I have to put dollar salary in a backwards

Speaker 1 (37m 9s): An x me. Tell me about it. It's, they've gotten, they've gotten horribly, well we should say they're ai, if you're talking about Facebook has just gotten horrible with anything posted that could potentially be sex or nudity or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37m 29s): But, but they have to do that because if you allow us an inch, we are gonna take a foot like we used to beat around the bush about how we would do it, you know, and sneak around all the rules and do the tech. But, but they are like, literally they shut us down like they said. No, let

Speaker 1 (37m 48s): Give you, lemme give you an example. Okay. I posted a listing about a he I site. These are cartoons of naked people.

Speaker 2 (37m 59s): They don't want that there though. It says that.

Speaker 1 (38m 2s): Yeah. But it's not even naked people, you know.

Speaker 2 (38m 7s): Well, you know, the problem I have is like bras and well I get it, but bras and panties, okay, you can't have that on Facebook. But women wear bras and underwear from little age, you know, their whole entire life seven days a week and they can't advertise for it. But then again, if they allow us to, then it's gonna be one porn person, two 10 that says, but she got to do it. And they're like, but that's a Haynes her way commercial.

That's not the same man. And it's just like they have to literally say no is no, like there's none crossing this line. Nobody. And then because everybody starts pushing it their boundaries.

Speaker 1 (38m 52s): I'd almost bet money if you're paying them that you'll somehow get away with brass and panties

Speaker 2 (38m 59s): You, but you don't, not on Facebook really. But you know, you know, the problem I have was Instagram because I did not cross any boundaries. I did not break a rule. I got a a notice from them that literally said, nothing you have done has made your account the status that it is right now. It's not your fault. In fact, thank you, thank you for following our rules, our our terms of conditions. But you're shut down permanently.

I even screenshotted it. I'm like, oh

Speaker 1 (39m 32s): Doesn't surprise me. It's their AI and I didn't do, and their AI is flawed and they don't care because they don't, they don't touch it anymore. They just let the, the machine learning take care of it.

Speaker 2 (39m 45s): Yeah. And I had like 40,000 followers. That's not a lot to some, but that's a good marketing group's

Speaker 1 (39m 50s): A lot, you know? Yes. That's a lot. And

Speaker 2 (39m 52s): They straight stripped it away from me. And if you ever looked at my, I never even had anything that remotely looked sexy. Like I don't even on Facebook and if they're owned by the same people, why does one let me there and the other, I don't put anything that's not, you know, and then you see someone with a million followers and they're just like stupidity. Even their lips are hanging out, you know? And it's

Speaker 1 (40m 16s): Stupidity.

Speaker 2 (40m 17s): Yeah. It's just too much. And, and I was like, but look at the letter you guys gave me. So what's this mean? They're like, sorry. And I think it was guilty by association. I think the fact that I am tied to so many different adult talent that that's why I went down. That's just my guess.

Speaker 1 (40m 36s): But okay. Yeah. So, so one of your favorite niches is dummy mommy again. I love that. I love those words. Why don't you gimme an example. I'll be the son. I'm gonna try this anyway, this was your suggestion. I'll be the son and you can be mommy. And I hope I don't go to the Jewish equivalent of hell for this.

Speaker 2 (40m 57s): You might. How per are we gonna go? Well, hello son. Are you, are you getting a heart on right now?

Speaker 1 (41m 9s): Well, yeah, mom

Speaker 2 (41m 12s): Son, you, you know that's not right. You can't be doing that. I I'm your mom for god's sakes.

Speaker 1 (41m 19s): Okay, I'll stop.

Speaker 2 (41m 22s): Oh well, no, it's okay. Don't cry. Don't, don't be embarrassed. Don't be embarrassed. Mom will help you. You're just doing it all wrong.

Speaker 1 (41m 34s): Oh, okay. Well how do I do it? Mommy,

Speaker 2 (41m 37s): Come here. I'll show you. But first we gotta get it wet. You don't even have any lube and I can't find any. So mama just put her mouth on it. Okay.

Speaker 1 (41m 48s): We sure that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (41m 51s): Oh yes. If, if it feels good. Okay. It's good, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (41m 56s): I guess.

Speaker 2 (41m 58s): Yes. That's my boy. I'm so proud of you.

Speaker 1 (42m 1s): Thank you mom.

Speaker 2 (42m 2s): I love you son. A little curved.

Speaker 1 (42m 8s): Oh good. I'm glad we're stopping there. Ah, but

Speaker 2 (42m 11s): It's just, but it's just fantasy. It's, it's, and it's really, they don't wanna fuck their mom. They do not. It's, it's just the dominant nurturing and it's, it's kinky, you know, and that's, that's what they like about it. So it's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (42m 27s): I love it. So how can the fans meet you?

Speaker 2 (42m 31s): Well, if you wanna meet in person, I will be at the New Jersey Exotica. I believe it's October 21st or that weekend. Great. Come meet and greet. You can hang out with us. We party together. We all the fans are intermingled with

Speaker 1 (42m 49s): You can, you can, you can pretend to be your son.

Speaker 2 (42m 52s): Yeah. Oh, I like new sons. Yes, for sure. So, but yeah, that's the way that, that's my next opportunity to meet. Do a meet and greet. And then I, I don't think I'll be at DC just because it's so close to Christmas and you can see me online. I do one on one, you know cam to cam all the time. Live privates. I do customs. Catch me on Sex Panther for sure.

Lily Craven. I have so much fun on that, that site.

Speaker 1 (43m 26s): Excellent. And before we go, why don't you gimme some ways your fans can follow you.

Speaker 2 (43m 32s): Okay. You can follow me on Twitter at Lilly l i l y, Craven, C A V E n xxx. You can catch me on. I finally am on only fans. Great. Finally dabbling in it. So that is Lily Craven and mini vids. I'm definitely, you know, going strong there. And that's lily cravis.com and my own website, lily craven xxx.com.

Speaker 1 (44m 3s): Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (44m 5s): See

Speaker 1 (44m 6s): And please listen to her podcast phone with Lily. I know you'll enjoy it Lil my dear.

Speaker 2 (44m 15s): I was gonna say on Skyhawk after dark tv.com.

Speaker 1 (44m 19s): There you go. And, and everywhere fine podcasts are found, like I said. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44m 24s): Everywhere. Yes. Spotify, apple, Amazon, you name it.

Speaker 1 (44m 28s): Exactly. Well, Lilly Madeira, I'd like to thank you again for being our guest today on Adult Site Broker talk. And you're welcome. I know we'll get a chance to do this again at some point soon.

Speaker 2 (44m 39s): Yeah, cuz you're coming online. I'm gonna get you next. Oh baby.

Speaker 1 (44m 44s): My broker tip today is part five of How to buy an adult website. Last week we talked about how to determine the value of a site, how to negotiate the sale, and how to get to the point of drawing up an agreement. So now you're talking to your attorney and you're having them draft an agreement. What should be in it? Well, your attorney will guide you through the legal side, but here are some considerations to keep in mind from a buying standpoint. What is the date you'd like to close? Make sure you know that you'll have the money to either pay the deposit or the entire amount of the purchase.

By then, I've had buyers who aren't ready and it just causes issues. Make sure that all of the assets you're purchasing are in that agreement, such as every domain included in the sale processing and payment accounts, relationships with vendors, all records including 2257 data software to run the sites and any other assets such as source code for the sites. Of course, it should spell out any payment schedule if there is one who's responsible for closing costs, such as paying for escrow.

And there are always terms that are unique to yours and the seller's situation. This assumes you're the party responsible for drawing up the agreement. If the seller is drawing up the agreement, then it's important that you express all of this to your attorney so they can check the seller's agreement and see if any changes are necessary. We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with Vex Ruby of Viro Live studio. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker talk.

I'd once again like to thank my guest, Lily Craven. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.