Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 144 with Ashton Enger of Kiirro

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Ashton is an expert in high high-tech haptics and robotics and passionate about using technology to help individuals forge new and better ways to connect. Born in Africa, Ashton came to Europe in 2011 to explore the world and gained new experiences. She received her degree in communications in media from Rasmus University, Rotterdam, and paved an impressive career path in fashion, entertainment, and technology representing an innovative brand that ignites all senses.

Ashton wants to share that connection and exploration with the world. She currently lives in Amsterdam, the home of of Kiu, where she continues to be curious about new cultures and enjoys life through food travel and meeting new people. Kiu is an award-winning interactive sex toy company based in Amsterdam between the city's business and famed Red Light District that has been a leader in the TELEDILDONICS industry since 2013. So Ashton, tell us more about you and what you do at Kiro and Field Robotics.

Speaker 2 (3m 25s): Okay. Well thank you very much for that introduction. Sure. It doesn't begin to cover all the things that we get up to at kiro and Field Robotics.

Speaker 1 (3m 34s): Well, will you tell me,

Speaker 2 (3m 36s): So I guess, let me start with Ki with Field Robotics. Field Robotics is our parent company, and basically we license our software to multiple companies, KIRO, other brands like Starcom. Oh my God. We've kind of created the Android of Sex toys. Okay. So Field Robotics produces software that can make any product. Yeah. Sex product or haptic wristbands interactive.

So that means that they can connect through our app to interactive content. So it could be from any porn site, from virtual reality to your partners, et cetera. And at Kiro we produced the hardware. So we created sex toys that send touch through the internet, and you can basically feel your partner anywhere in the world. So Awesome. So how those go together and how Yeah. My days, look, I am one of the people that works a lot on the copy for every website, for every app.

I do a lot of user manuals, I do a lot of trainings. I work with a lot of webcam performers with our field stars, which are adult entertainers, influencers. We basically, yeah, work with all of these awesome people to drive traffic, to sell our products and our services. So no day looks the same. It could range from social media to filming videos, to Yeah, being on a podcast to doing interviews.

Yeah, really no day is the same. And I think it's because our technology is so innovative and it's got so many different user cases that yeah, it just kind of speaks for itself. Like every meeting I go into, something different is happening and something new and the ideas are just, yeah, it's, it's a great environment.

Speaker 1 (5m 37s): It must be great to have a job with that much variety.

Speaker 2 (5m 40s): Yeah, it really is. Sometimes it's too overwhelming, but yeah, like the technology is so interesting that Right. Everybody wants a piece of it and Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's innovative. Everything that we do is innovative and you can just see the enjoyment that my colleagues have when they get to have their ideas sort of implemented or they're designed like added. So it is very, we're a young company, so it's a lot of Yeah, a lot of energy.

Speaker 1 (6m 14s): Well, for a technology company, it's gotta be a lot of fun because it's in the pleasure product space.

Speaker 2 (6m 21s): Exactly. So yeah. One thing that we've learned over the last couple of years of Kiro and Field Robotics is that the adult industry is always the first to adopt the technology. Yep. But the mainstream industry is the one where, yeah, the biggest like sort of shock factor comes from. So, sure we are lucky we are between both industries because we can produce something for long distance relationships and all of the news newspapers go wild for it.

But the adult industry are the ones that are like, we're gonna make money from this. This is how we're gonna use it, and how we're gonna actually use it to make our lives different. It's not just a new story, but it's actually, yeah, it's actually helping them make money drive sales.

Speaker 1 (7m 8s): Sure. I'm sure you're getting a lot of mainstream pr.

Speaker 2 (7m 12s): Yeah, we do. We have been on pretty much almost all of the big names that you can mention. We have been on two chains, most Expensives through Vice. We've had, I think maybe three vice documentaries, bbc, cnet. So yeah, we, we are quite lucky with that, that our technology is extremely innovative and that people wanna cover what we're doing. So yeah, we're very lucky about that.

Speaker 1 (7m 42s): Absolutely. So talk about the Kru brand and the history of the product.

Speaker 2 (7m 48s): Yep. So it's actually quite an interesting one. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of the movie Demolition Man from 1992.

Speaker 1 (7m 57s): Mm. Sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 (7m 59s): Yep. So it was with Sylvester Stallone and Sandra Bullock and Was movie. Yeah. In the movie they had virtual sex with each other using these two interconnected helmets. They were sitting across the room from each other looking at each other with these helmets on, and they had virtual sex. So yeah, like maybe I'll step back a little bit. The term Teledildonics, which means like cyber sex or sex through the internet was coined in the 1980s, if I'm not mistaken.

Hmm. So the fact that this came out in a movie in 1992 was like, whoa. But yeah, somebody had already thought of it. And so one of our founders was watching this movie and he was like, whoa, that's actually like, you know, we're in this time where we can do a lot of things with technology. Why don't we try to see if I could be intimate with my partner from a distance? So they got together, I think it was a group of four people, little old school that was sort of run down in the Netherlands.

They had these sort of like anti crack is what it's called. And it's old buildings that get put up for like really, really, really cheap for people to use.

Speaker 1 (9m 20s): Interesting.

Speaker 2 (9m 20s): Yeah. And so they had like a little room there and they had four developers or four engineers trying to see if they could send touch through the internet. And lo and behold, they figured it out. And our CEO and his business partner, it was to, and his business partner decided, let's go to, I think it was AVN or Ex Biz book a hotel room, invite a whole bunch of people and see what they think about it. And he said the meetings went fantastic.

Everybody was like, we could see that integrated with our cam sites, with our, with our websites, et cetera. Absolutely. And so they had enough enough, yeah. Reason to come back and actually make this a thing. So they got the team together, they built up, and we created the first product in 2015. They were called OP an sre. And they were just sort of prototypes to prove that the touch could get sent. And then we made our first generation on and Pearl

Speaker 1 (10m 25s): Remember that.

Speaker 2 (10m 25s): Yeah. And yeah. And now actually we are releasing the Pearl two Plus and Pearl three this week. So we're on the third generation because people loved these products so much. So time and evolution have passed and six years later, here we are with the third generation Onyx and Pearl and yeah, a whole bunch more other products that we've created alone and in partnership with awesome brands like Hot Octopus and oh my God,

Speaker 1 (10m 57s): Yeah. I remember in 2015 going to your offices and seeing what was going on there. And I was doing, I was doing some business with, with Tone at the time, and I would say his name wrong. I always call him by, you know, the pronunciation of T O O N Tune. But anyway, but I remember I was just so blown away by not only everyone's attitude there, like you were talking about earlier, and I'm sure you guys have grown many times over since that point, but just how the, the environment there all about it.

It was just fantastic. So

Speaker 2 (11m 36s): Was that an Amsterdam that you came? Yes, yes. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, you probably came, when I started six years ago, we were 15 or 16 people and you would've come one year before that, which means there were like seven people.

Speaker 1 (11m 52s): Yeah, exactly. Yes.

Speaker 2 (11m 54s): And now we're around 60 people.

Speaker 1 (11m 56s): Wow. That's

Speaker 2 (11m 58s): Great. Not everybody works just for Kiro. Some of us work across old brands. We have a very famous Dutch interactive webcam site is live, they're part of the field robotics group. They work in our office too. And then we have Field Hay, which is our haptic wristband, which is mainstream. We've got Kiro and yeah. So we're a lot of people now underneath the field robotics name, and we all get to work together, share ideas.

Yeah,

Speaker 1 (12m 30s): It's great. It's great to see the growth. It's, it's a real success story. So what is special about Interactive Technology?

Speaker 2 (12m 38s): Okay, well, yeah, there's, there's many things. Maybe I'm biased because I work for an interactive sex toy company. I'm not sure. I'm sure not. But yeah, the, like, the best thing about interactive technology is the interactiveness. It's the fact that you can feel what you're seeing regardless of whether you're feeling content, you're feeling your partner, you're feeling, yeah. Something in, in your VR headset, right.

It's all about like the mind body experience about learning about your body. Sure. And yeah. So yeah, interactive. It's mainly just the touch thing that I think would be the best thing about it.

Speaker 1 (13m 24s): So talk a little bit about the male and female toys and Keyon, the award-winning masturbator that can be used as a sex machine.

Speaker 2 (13m 31s): Okay. Yeah. So about two or three years ago we produced the Keon, it's our flagship male masturbator, as you mentioned. And we kind of wanted to create a modular range of products. So we know that everybody's body is different. Not everybody that uses our products would identify as men or woman or, you know, use it in the same way that we would expect.

Yeah. We, we just know that everybody's different. So we decided to create this modular range that would basically upgrade your product from being an interactive text machine, sorry, interactive masturbator, to being able to use it in multiple different ways. So we produced a table clamp so you could stand and use the Keyon. We create, created a multifunctional sex pillow, which allows you to use the Keyon in multiple different ways.

We've also got hand straps, neck straps. So basically the user that's using the Keyon can use it in any different way. And so it was really well received. And this week we have just released the sex machine attachments for it so that you can use it as a sex machine. And yeah, that was something that was really asked for by our customers, especially the webcam industry. They really wanted Oh sure.

A really affordable machine that's interactive. So yeah, we're here, we are today. I should have actually probably mentioned also the awesome features about Keon. Keon can connect to our Field Connect app, which allows you to connect to any product on the Field Connect network. Oh, that's great. That's any of our female toys. Any of our male toys, or sorry, I should say vibrators and masturbates. You can connect through the internet to one another.

We also have the ability to connect to virtual reality, to 2D content. And recently, about two months ago, we just launched our film AI website, which actually turns any content on the internet interactive. And Keon was the first product. Oh, that's cool. That was compatible with it. Yeah. And yeah, so we had a Legion of testers, love those guys.

Everyone that purchased the Keon, we had them testing and helping us create our AI technology over the last couple of months, they gave us some really amazing feedback. Yeah. In the coming weeks, we will be launching a mobile version of the Filmy AI so that our customers that own Keon and any of our other products will be able to turn any content that they find, obviously within Legal Limits Interactive. So essentially what that mean, I'm not sure if you knew how it worked before where you would have to, no, why don't you tell us Before with interactive content, we had partnerships with many different companies.

I think we had like 20 on the list. And it was a really tedious experience, I guess, and job to get videos from those companies, send them to the people that manually encode videos. Wow. Send them back to those companies, upload them with subtitles and yeah. Get the interactive sections on their websites working so that if you came with your Keon, you could connect it to your Field Connect app and from your Field Connect app scan the QR code on a compatible website to feel the porn that you're watching.

It's so difficult to keep up with 20 different sites to make sure there's new content for our customers. Oh, I'm sure. And so we, yeah, we decided it's time that we just build and work around. And we did that. And it's working even better than it was with the manual subtitling. We're working with machine learning technology now and ai. Yeah. The computer is learning from the movements and the videos. So

Speaker 1 (17m 49s): Does that work, does that work with campsites too?

Speaker 2 (17m 53s): Yes, it does. And wow. It's actually pretty cool. We just debuted it at the Arrow Fame in Hanover a few weeks ago. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Yeah. It's a B2B novelty show and people didn't believe it, believe us. And we were like, just type anything you want on Chatter Bay or on whichever site and you know, you can just click play yourself. Like we are not like faking anything. You can just do it yourself. Yeah. And they were so shocked that it was so in sync and yeah, you just pick any video and it works.

So for it's pretty crazy performer, it's, yeah, well, for the customer, it's great that they can now just feel the webcam performer without having to connect through the campsite. Right. And for the webcam performers, we have a similar extension. It's called Field Performer, and then that's how they can connect their devices to receive tips. And we're working on lots of cool things there too, which you see now, I've just dropped two other websites that we work on.

Yeah. A lot of things happen in my day.

Speaker 1 (19m 3s): That's, that's really cool. I should also disclose to people that this isn't gonna be running until next year. So people should, when she says just happened in, in a couple of weeks, they've already happened. Okay. We got a little backlog of, guess what can I say?

Speaker 2 (19m 19s): Yeah, no worries. That's, that's always a good thing, right?

Speaker 1 (19m 22s): It's a very good thing. So tell me about the Field Stars' Collection. Which porn stars are you working with?

Speaker 2 (19m 28s): Yeah, so we, yeah, we are working with a lot of models. I think we have currently 18 or 20 out and we have four that are coming out. If you tell me when this will be released, I can tell you who two of them are.

Speaker 1 (19m 48s): It's okay. Tell me who you have now.

Speaker 2 (19m 50s): Yeah. Okay. So we debuted with Britney Amber last year that, okay. So now I will say in 2021, Britney Amber is, yeah. Quite a famous porn star. She's been in the adult industry for more than 10 years as far as they understand.

Speaker 1 (20m 8s): Yep.

Speaker 2 (20m 8s): And she's very engaged with her fans. She's a cosplay enthusiast, so she has a different audience to some of the other models we work with. We have Kenzie Taylor. Hmm. Do you know her? Yes. Yeah. You know everyone, don't you? You

Speaker 1 (20m 27s): Don't have to ask.

Speaker 2 (20m 27s): Go ahead. Yeah. Natalia Star, we launched App Apollo Lara, she's a Spanish model. Very beautiful.

Speaker 1 (20m 38s): Very beautiful. Yes.

Speaker 2 (20m 39s): Yeah. Then we have Alexis Forks. She's also been around for forever. Oh, I'm thinking off the top of my head. I didn't write down Nicola Sha. Yeah, we've got Ray Little Black, which I'm not sure you might have heard from her. She heard of Yes. Stepped into the adult industry properly, I guess, with Big debuts, I think last year or the year before. Otherwise, she's more of an influencer and a Twitch star, and she's really popular.

This year we, we released Ashley Barbie and Romi Rain, Lauren Phillips and Rea Sunshine, Molly Stewart and Skylar Lowe, who is a Camp Star. I'm not sure if you know her, but she is like, her fans love her. They're selling so well. The models that we launched this year, they're so engaged with their customers and their customers are, yeah. They're really into the technology and Sure. Yeah. They love to see the sex machine in action with the models online.

That's awesome. Yeah, the list is growing.

Speaker 1 (21m 45s): That's fantastic. So tell us about your new launches, the Pearl three, the Keon sex machine, and the Butts stroker, what you already haven't told us.

Speaker 2 (21m 55s): Yeah. Okay. So as I mentioned, Keon is becoming a modular range and we are releasing the sex machine attachment to turn Keon into a sex machine. So if you can, or if you like to do things on cam, this is the perfect product for you because it's interactive. So if somebody tips you, or if somebody's controlling you from anywhere in the world, they're gonna be able to see exactly what the Keon is doing to you in real time.

And or sorry, as the Keyon sex machine. Right. And if you pair it with one of our new products, the Pearl two plus, or the Pearl three, which are interactive vibrators, whenever the person using the Pearl three puts it inside their body, the touch sensors are going to make the Keyon sex machine react in real time in sync. So it's like you're basically there having sex with them. It's just through the internet.

So yeah, that's how they're together. And standalone, the Pearl two plus is and battery upgrade from our Pearl two users connect can now use it for 90 minutes, which is awesome. So the fund never has to stop. And the Pearl three is an upgrade of that. We have a three hour battery life, two awesome new colors, which were chosen by our users. Yeah. We did a lot of in-depth research and surveys with our customers to see what they wanted, because Pearl has been our best selling vibrator.

People love it for its power, for its interactivity, and for its touch sensitive sensors inside it. And yeah, we were like, okay, well people love this product so much, why don't they choose the colors? So we have beautiful pink and a beautiful purple all chosen by our lovely users. That's cool. I hope that they're gonna buy, its exactly, it's gonna be perfect for Cam because the battery lasts three hours.

Unless you're a powerhouse and you just wanna use it for three hours.

Speaker 1 (24m 13s): My goodness.

Speaker 2 (24m 14s): We do have some customers that are like the battery only last two and a half hours. Like how long using

Speaker 1 (24m 22s): Must much younger than me, I gotta tell you,

Speaker 2 (24m 25s): It's an experience to connect to, yeah. To content. So they're doing it like carving out a whole day, like, I'm gonna use my Keon and watch porn for six hours. Whoa. So yeah, it's an experience. It's not, it's not just about,

Speaker 1 (24m 44s): I had a few funny thoughts about that, but I'll keep 'em to myself. Talk a little bit about the overall growth of interactive toys.

Speaker 2 (24m 53s): Okay. That's an interesting question. So

Speaker 1 (24m 58s): I know that's why I asked it.

Speaker 2 (24m 59s): Yeah. Yeah. There we have seen a real growth over the last few years, but we don't have many competitors in this space. Right. Everybody is doing something kind of a little bit different to each other. So true. That's, that's really nice that we don't have a direct competitor who's doing exactly the same thing as us. So

Speaker 1 (25m 21s): I'm surprised by that at this point. Really?

Speaker 2 (25m 23s): Yeah. I mean like they're doing similar, but it's not the same. Yes. So with, yeah. With other sites, you know, like with the pay sites, it's the same service, just a different pay payment method or, but with the interactive sex toys, yeah. The sensations are not all the same. We've got companies that are producing awesome, like suction and companies that are, yeah. Not producing their own sleeves, but have created like awesome automation.

So the evolution has kind of, yeah. It's gotten differently for every company, which is a great thing. I think also. Absolutely. There's, yeah, like for us, I know that our interactivity, we want just better sinking and more interconnectedness. We want you to feel like you're together, not using technology to be together. Yeah. For us, we're trying to make the, the experience more seamless, but also Right. Give you more options in how you're gonna be interactive so you don't just have to stick to using one type of stimulation.

You can add more stimulation onto Yeah. Every product you're using. So for us, interactive is just becoming a whole world of interconnectedness and Yeah. A pleasure space for other companies. It's very difficult to comment on. Sure. Yeah. But

Speaker 1 (26m 49s): Yeah, but I mean, but I mean the old days of dildos and vibrators, that's certainly gone well beyond that.

Speaker 2 (26m 57s): Definitely. Yeah. We're, we're learning more about our bodies and technology is helping in some way. Everybody always thinks that, oh, technology like porn, it's not good, but you can really learn a lot. Yeah, exactly. A lot of people say that in the mainstream industry, but through technology, like you're learning about yourself, you're, yeah, you're growing with our products, using them with your partner across a distance. You're learning about your partner's body, you're learning about your own body.

You can figure out what you like now you can learn what they like without being together. So I think there's a lot of room Yeah. For growth for any company in this space, but also for any person using these types of products.

Speaker 1 (27m 45s): Right. Get into a little more detail about exactly how the toys work and how you connect them. Is it all done through the app?

Speaker 2 (27m 54s): Yeah, so yeah. So if you were a long distance couple, you could purchase any of our products. On our website we have this nifty couples feature where you can pick the type of stimulation and you can also pick Yeah. The type of product that you want, maybe a different color, and you can pick your couple set sort of that way so you can build your own couple set. And we did that because we know not everybody would like stroking.

They might like vibration or they might like Yeah. Anything else? Sure. Or oscillation, sorry. So if you are in a long distance relationship, you would pick your two products. So Pearl and Onyx for instance. Right. And wherever you are in the world, you would connect your Pearl to your Field Connect app, which is our mobile application, add your partner as a friend or as a lover. And we've kind built like an in app social media, or it's kind of like WhatsApp, if you guys use WhatsApp in the us Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. And

Speaker 1 (29m 4s): Well, I'm in, well I'm in Thailand, but Oh, I know they use what I, oh, I am, I know, I know they use, I did tell you that I know they use WhatsApp in the US and I use WhatsApp too. So go ahead.

Speaker 2 (29m 14s): Yeah. Okay, perfect. So we have an in-app feature where you can then connect with, like, you can chat with your partner. So your partner will do the same on their side of the world. And in the app you can share your device with them. And once you share your device, your partner can control it either using the app or using the touch sensors on the product. So right with the Pearl, we have a very sensitive touch sensor that goes all the way from the tip to almost till the end of the shaft.

And when you put it in your body, that is gonna send signals to the Onyx or the Keon or whichever product you have on the other side of the world. Right. And yeah, the Keon or the OnX has buttons that can control the pearl in syncs. Sure. So we're basically creating real-time intimacy. Yeah. While, while you please yourself.

Speaker 1 (30m 15s): Yeah. And so that's, yeah, I would imagine it would work just as well for same-sex couples. Right?

Speaker 2 (30m 20s): Definitely. So the touch sensors that are in the Pearl are also in our Fuse product. They're in, yeah. Multiple different products. So yeah, whichever product you use, you can send the signals across. And if it's one of our products that's not a vibrate, sorry, not a like phallic shaped vibrator, right. Like our esca or our cleona, you can use the app to send touch signal signals to your partner.

Speaker 1 (30m 49s): I'm gonna have to go to your website and see what all these products are because you're, you're, you're losing me frankly. But no, it's, it's, it's too much. Sounds like there's a lot of variety. A lot of variety. By the way, I kind of had a funny thought you kind of said, you said it's, it's kind of like WhatsApp and I just had this funny thought about the app asking you if you'd like to add your contacts. So anyway,

Speaker 2 (31m 12s): Just that would be funny.

Speaker 1 (31m 14s): Just a funny thought. Just a funny

Speaker 2 (31m 15s): Thought. Yeah. And then you're like, hi mom, this is my Field Connect app profile.

Speaker 1 (31m 22s): Anyway, what you were talking about earlier was, feel me, ai, right?

Speaker 2 (31m 27s): Yes.

Speaker 1 (31m 27s): Okay. Okay. And that's what it's, that's what it's properly called as far as syncing with the porn sites and with the CAM sites.

Speaker 2 (31m 37s): Yeah. So we created a new extension, feel me, AI that eliminates the use of the app. Right? So what a user does is they take their Keyon or their Onyx or whichever product is compatible and they create a feel me, AI subscription, all of our subscriptions come with a three day free trial. And so you can try it out, you can see if you like it. Most of our users do not being biased.

Speaker 1 (32m 11s): No, I You don't sound biased at all.

Speaker 2 (32m 13s): Yeah. And so using their product, you need to have Bluetooth on your computer.

Speaker 1 (32m 20s): Yes.

Speaker 2 (32m 21s): You download our extension and you connect your Keyon to your phone, sorry, to your computer. Ok. Directly on the Chrome browser, there's Bluetooth function. Right. And once you do that, you can go to any website you want that is legal and watch any porn you want. And it will make your device react in sync with what you see on screen. And the extension itself has multiple features on it. Right. So you can choose if there's no action in the video that the device still keeps moving or that it stops.

So you feel like you're right there in the video. Interesting. But most people don't like that. We also have other features that when the video is done that it can finish you so that one would home. Yeah, exactly. Some people, yeah. Wanna just skip to the next video, but other people wanna get done right after the video is done. Oh

Speaker 1 (33m 21s): Yeah. You would hope, you would hope, you know, I had one, I had one question about it. You, you of course said a couple times content that is legal. Are you talking about legal as in legal legalities or are you talking about owned content versus stolen content?

Speaker 2 (33m 40s): Yeah, so we basically have taken the top porn sites in the world that are Yeah. With their own content or with uploaded content. Right. We've whitelisted them, but there's a lot of

Speaker 1 (33m 55s): Got it

Speaker 2 (33m 56s): Sites on the internet that have Yes. Bestiality and other types of Yeah. Sound things like, yeah. So we've blocked things like that. We've blocked YouTube cause we dunno what you're gonna connect to there. That's true. And yeah, if you believe any of this is an error, you are welcome as a customer to contact our developers and they will look into whitelisting the site if it doesn't breach any legal or underage Yeah.

Requirements I guess you could say.

Speaker 1 (34m 28s): Got it.

Speaker 2 (34m 29s): Got it. So we just, we we, so it's really both.

Speaker 1 (34m 32s): So it's really both. It's sites that have stolen content, it's sites and it's sites that have illegal content as well in addition to, to copyright infringement content.

Speaker 2 (34m 43s): Exactly. Ok. So sounds good. We're still, we're still very new at this, so we've been getting a lot of advice from big companies. Yes. Big players in the adult industry about which way to go because yeah, a lot of big sites that we do know have had problems in the past.

Speaker 1 (35m 1s): Well there's a lot of gray area there, there's a lot of gray area there. The top, the top tube sites in the world unfortunately have content uploaded to them that is copyrighted content that is stolen, copyrighted content I should say. But I know that you porn has, or rather a PornHub has gotten rid of all that. I don't know if their sister sites did. I'm assuming they did. So that would be most of the major tubes in addition with X hamster, which I'm not sure what their moderation policies are.

Speaker 2 (35m 36s): Yeah, it's quite difficult, especially if people are uploading content, like their quality assurance and review process must be quite tedious for those people that have to double check those videos. Yeah. Unless it's machine, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (35m 53s): Yep, absolutely. So how can people make money with you by suggesting kiu to their friends?

Speaker 2 (35m 60s): So we have two ways. We have our lovely affiliate program affiliate, I believe you know Emma, sorry, you know Ella and Thomas? Yes. Or maybe, yeah. One or both of them. And they are our affiliate in-house affiliate network. And we also have an influencer program. So if you're not into creating reviews and product reviews, you can also sign up to our influencer program where you can get a, you can get a coupon code and a link and you can just promote it on your social media.

But for most people, I guess they listen to this podcast. Joining our affiliate program would be the most interesting option for you. We do offer a 20% cut on Yeah. Affiliate sales if you promote our products through your affiliate links and yeah, it, it goes on our whole range of products.

Speaker 1 (36m 60s): Ok.

Speaker 2 (37m 0s): Yeah. And let's see, yeah, we work on revshare and yeah, I think that's the most interesting model. We have a lot of reviewers, a lot of webcam performers, adult sites that are all our affiliates now with Filmy ai. We are also starting an affiliate program there. We're still working out the affiliate details, but maybe I can update you once that's done.

Speaker 1 (37m 27s): Sounds good. So what type of adult websites are working the best for your company to promote your products through your affiliate network?

Speaker 2 (37m 36s): Adult time is a very good one. They created an interactive section on their website and we created interactive, pro interactive content with them. And they drive a lot of sales float for free strip chat. They also drive a lot of sales. That is primarily because the models use our products online and they love it. Or at least I think they love it. We offer offer very good deals for the webcam performers to join.

Yeah. To join our, our network.

Speaker 1 (38m 10s): Right. So tell us about Feel Performer. What is it and how does it work?

Speaker 2 (38m 15s): Okay. So just like feel me, AI Feel performer is our webcam side of things. And again, in the past we had a sort of tedious way for webcam performers to connect. You had to go to your webcam site, you had to get a special QR code, connect it with your phone and connect that way. And we have a lot of customers in Columbia and Romania and a lot of them work out of studios and you don't have internet in the studios, so it's all done with land cables.

So using your phone to connect was all always causing connection problems. Sure. And so we were like, let's just make things easier. And so we built a field performer and again, the webcam model just has to connect using Bluetooth to our extension and they choose their tip settings. They can choose their OBS settings. Connect. Yeah. Any toy. I think we have six brands on there now, or five brands.

So we've got Kiro, we've got Hot Octopus. Oh my God. We vibe. And so our customers are not just, yeah, just confined to using a Kiro product through there. You can use any of the big brands and what Field Performer does is it reads the screen of your webcam site. So when a customer tips you a hundred dollars, if that's what you put into your tip settings, your device will vibrate to whatever setting you attributed to a hundred dollars.

So

Speaker 1 (39m 53s): It's a lot of vibrating.

Speaker 2 (39m 54s): Yeah, I know some, some people are crazy, right. Or they enjoy it. I was talking to a webcam model last week and she was like, when I used to work webcam, I was sitting vibrating for eight hours a day and when I got my first office job, I didn't know what to do with myself. I had to go to the car every lunchtime to to masturbate because I was just struggling. Like you're so used to sitting and Yeah. Sitting, sitting

Speaker 1 (40m 20s): There getting off every five minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40m 23s): Oh my God. Exactly. You said office job was a big change for her.

Speaker 1 (40m 27s): Oh, goodness gracious. Yeah. Vibrating for eight hours. Oh my goodness. I just can only imagine. And probably had to peel her off the ceiling or something. That's Wow. So how can someone find Kiro online?

Speaker 2 (40m 43s): Yeah, so you can go to www dot Kiro, that's spelled K I I R O o.com. And on our Kiro website you can find everything you need to find out about Field Connect app, also about Feel Me, ai, and you can also get redirected to our performer portal to field performers so you can get connected and get online.

Speaker 1 (41m 10s): Fantastic. Well, Ashton, I would like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Side Broker Talk, and I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon.

Speaker 2 (41m 19s): Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really had a great time and hopefully next time we'll have some more products to talk about.

Speaker 1 (41m 27s): I hope so. It was nice. It was nice to have you. Thank you. Yeah,

Speaker 2 (41m 31s): Thank you and have a great day.

Speaker 1 (41m 33s): My broker tip today is part three of How to Buy a website. Last week we talked about finding the right site to buy. Once you find it, what do you do? Once you've either reached the broker of the site or the seller, review the information about it, the broker should provide you with the following a profit and loss statement of at least three years. That's up to date. If it's June and they give you financials only through the end of the previous year, you need to see what the site is doing now, not last year, if it's a pay site, get a username and password for the site so that you can review it.

Ask how often the site is updated, get some history on the site, how long has it been in business, the story behind the site and why the seller wants to sell, get an inventory of the content, and how much of it has current technologies like 4k. Find out if all of the content is exclusive to that site. Ask the seller if the content has ever been on V O D or D V D, see if there are any clip stores. The content is on. Find out how much the content cost to produce and what the current cost of production is.

Very importantly, see if this operation can run without the owner. Do they do the shooting themselves or do they hire someone to do it? And if there is an outside producer, will that person continue to provide content for the site? Find out how many new joins and rebuilds there are a day. Ask them what is the retention rate on the site, and find out if they do advertising on the site and where they get their traffic. Ask for Google Analytics access so you can see where the traffic comes from.

This information will give you the opportunity to truly evaluate what it is you're buying. Then if everything looks good to you and you want the site, it's time to make an offer. Only you can decide what the site is worth to you. If you're working with a broker such as, oh, I don't know, adult Site broker, for instance. Of course your broker can help you determine the value of the site. We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with Elizabeth Dell of Amorus.

And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest, Ashton Egner. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.